Let the lord judge the criminals.

[cannabis campbell]

This is what i believe anyway, you could be a heavy weed smoker and spend a couple of years in prison for something as little as growing a few plants but is this really a crime?

Who knows? Maybe (if there is a heaven) when we get to heaven or hell as the case may be that will not be classed as a sin.

Also is murder a crime? Yes? No? what if the person (in your mind) deserves to be murdered, and killing that person would save a lot of innocent peoples lifes and save a lot of innocent people from pain. What if this person was the cause of thousands of death eg saddam hussein, then would that be a crime to murder someone like that?

They say it is illegal to murder someone, YET the government, the law decides who it is ok to kill.

Take the death sentence for example, do two wrongs make a right? do you deaths make it right? What if the person is innocent..?

What about manslaughter.. is it a crime to commit murder in order to save your own life? (think about this one).

What do you think, would like to hear your opinions on this one.

Thanks.

[rebgirl420]

I dont think that there is a black and white answer. Of course it would be better to kill someone trying to force you into a car to rape you than to kill out of spite. But I dont believe in a god. Therefor I cannot expect god to punish them. And if there is no god and no one on earth punished a pedophile or whatever? Then they got away scott free.

[bhouncy]

Some laws protect values such as safety and security. Without them there would be anarchy.

[Coelho]

CC, i agree whole-heartedly with you. Thats why im completly against death sentences and so. Life is a too valuable thing for us humans take it from someone, no matter who.

[PureEvil760]

I consider myself a part anarchist because I believe things would acctually be better in the long run if there was no law. If you do somthing wrong, it is up to the general community to do somthing about it. Like somone kills somone, then thier family would have the choice to do somthing about it, but no laws in the way of thier decision. On the other hand, people would just go crazy and society would collapse, thats cool too though.

[afghooey]

It's quite interesting that people feel the need to kill and administer 'justice' upon others in the name of God, when to me, this seems to reveal a complete lack of faith the 'ultimate justice' that God will purportedly deliver on judgement day. People sin in order to punish sin (ie: the death penalty). Indeed, do two wrongs make a right? As it's said, an eye for an eye will only make this world go blind. If people focused on their own sins rather than everyone else's, I think our society would probably be a hell of a lot more peaceful and civilized.

[cannabis campbell]

One stupid law well in the uk anyway infact most of them protect the real criminals for example if a burgular breaks into your house and you injure them or they injure themselves while inside your property they have the right to sue you which is pretty FUCKED UP!

Also another messed up one, if you leave your house unattended and they manage to get in somehow without breaking an entry eg walking through the door climbing in through the window then they can Legally stay there ie they legally own it and you have to take them to court to get them out of your own house which could take years, its called squatting pretty fucked up eh.

[rebgirl420]

^Thats when vigalante justice comes through.

[GracefulToke]

Exactly. It will come back to bite you in the ass somehow. Maybe murderer's and pedophiles pay for it in another life... its crazy, but it is fun to think about and contemplate.
I don't care what anybody says, im set in my ways when I say that murderer's and pedophiles... the real sick people... do deserve to be punished and do deserve to suffer for the acts that they commit.

[cannabis campbell]

cold blooded murderers are one thing but pedophiles are just scum.

[GracefulToke]

Yeah, there are some sick freaks out there who deserve to be tortured. Anybody who would ever lay their hand on a kid... its disgusting. The sicks a-holes who like to torture people for no reason are on a whole other level then normal human beings, they're minds must have to be so messed up. Its scary to think about.

[JaggedEdge]

You should check out the Showtime series Dexter. It's about a forensics officer who has uncontrollable urges to kill. So he kills criminals. Very good series.

[jdmarcus59]

well my thoughts on a few of these things is this, I dont belive in the death pentelty,
if they are real sickos like the guy who killed his wife and unborn child { I cant rememmber
his name but he was all over the news Iam sure you know who it is iam talking about}
I think they should put him in the hole at let him live with what he has done, some times that can be worse then death, and the one who do unspeakable things to the little ones
they should not be protected fron the prison system, like they are in my state, they should be put into population, and let the cons take care of them. Ive been in the big house and I know what happens to these guys when there crime is let out of the bag.let what they did
to the little ones be done to them.

[Rayg Dog]

Seriously, we have all these Christians running our country, and yet they all mostly support the death penalty. I'm like WTF I thought that their book said "Thou shall not kill" I don't think there's any exceptions too that in there faith seeing how their book doesn't give any exceptions! And why are they all hating on the plant that "God" made, yet the shit that gets them fucked up (alcohol) was made by them not "God!"

[mfqr]

Seriously, we have all these Christians running our country, and yet they all mostly support the death penalty. I'm like WTF I thought that their book said "Thou shall not kill" I don't think there's any exceptions too that in there faith seeing how their book doesn't give any exceptions! And why are they all hating on the plant that "God" made, yet the shit that gets them fucked up (alcohol) was made by them not "God!"

It's funny how it says "Thou shalt not kill," and yet the bible tells you to kill people under certain circumstances...

[beachguy in thongs]

No one should ever kill anything under any circumstances. Especially, peace. Silence allows our brains the chance to interact with itself.

I haven't read the bible, through and through, but, I've skimmed it. To me, "Thou shalt not kill" means that you should never kill the peace inside yourself with evil.

[Fallen_Icarus]

Seriously, we have all these Christians running our country, and yet they all mostly support the death penalty. I'm like WTF I thought that their book said "Thou shall not kill" I don't think there's any exceptions too that in there faith seeing how their book doesn't give any exceptions!

Hmm Interesting discussion lol

I think you have to realise that these questions and contradictions are so obvious that they must hold a valid explanation, well, did not the Templars for example roam the land killing their enemies and often torturing innocent people, killing innocent people for not falling to the will of Christ?

The thing is, although there are a multiverse (a theory which states there are an infinite number of universes beyond "ours" lol) of contradictions and what I would call misinterpretations but what some would call LIES in the Bible you must understand that there are people on this planet who apparently represent Jesus.

Such as the Pope, the Pope has the ability to call certain decisions in the name of Christ, so if that means killing innocent people without justice and evidence (because christians love a world based on zero evidence) then so he shall do that.

The Pope can bend the laws of Christ, I heard by a very highly regarded astro-theologist that the Pope is considered, in very high areas of the Roman Catholic religion to be Jesus' VICAR.

[bhouncy]

If there is a lord in the sense that people believe then sure they will pay.

Or will they?

What happened to unconditional love and forgiveness?

It is so contradictory that you have to be give up all reason to believe it. People call it faith. No. It's called fear.

"We are the angry mob
We read the papers everyday day
We like who like
We hate who we hate
But we're also easily swayed"

Kaiser Chiefs

[jdmarcus59]

Seriously, we have all these Christians running our country, and yet they all mostly support the death penalty. I'm like WTF I thought that their book said "Thou shall not kill" I don't think there's any exceptions too that in there faith seeing how their book doesn't give any exceptions! And why are they all hating on the plant that "God" made, yet the shit that gets them fucked up (alcohol) was made by them not "God!"

I dont think we have all christian running this country, if we did
then we would have prayer in school ect...and abortion would be illagel, and the list could go on and on. Iam not saying this to debate anyone, just my very sleepy morning opinion. know iam going to go and try to get some sleep, sence Ive been up all night:)

[smokerofweed420]

One stupid law well in the uk anyway infact most of them protect the real criminals for example if a burgular breaks into your house and you injure them or they injure themselves while inside your property they have the right to sue you which is pretty FUCKED UP!

Also another messed up one, if you leave your house unattended and they manage to get in somehow without breaking an entry eg walking through the door climbing in through the window then they can Legally stay there ie they legally own it and you have to take them to court to get them out of your own house which could take years, its called squatting pretty fucked up eh.

Dude thats fucked up! I know here in the USA ,or at least in most states, its legal to use deadly force if someone is robbing your house. Its considered defending yourself.

And for the second won that too is dumb as doorknob. I mean if you leave it unattended you still own it. Its your home your property. If someone was living in it even if it was unattended you could charge that person with breaking and entering and possibly vagrancy.

[JaggedEdge]

Dude thats fucked up! I know here in the USA ,or at least in most states, its legal to use deadly force if someone is robbing your house. Its considered defending yourself.

And for the second won that too is dumb as doorknob. I mean if you leave it unattended you still own it. Its your home your property. If someone was living in it even if it was unattended you could charge that person with breaking and entering and possibly vagrancy.

It depends on the individual state. In some states it's as simple as fearing for your life or the life of another. In others you are required to equal or lesser force in order to defend yourself (I'm not 100% sure on this.) Many states require you to try and flee before you use deadly force, where as others, like my lovely state, allow you to kill fire preemptively as soon as someone enters your private property without permission.

Overall it depends on the state though.

Side note:
There was a case here a few years ago where a guy shot someone from his balcony who was breaking into his car. He was tired of his shit getting stolen in New Orleans, so he killed the next kid he saw doing it. I supported him, unfortunately he was convicted...

[jdmarcus59]

Hmm Interesting discussion lol

I think you have to realise that these questions and contradictions are so obvious that they must hold a valid explanation, well, did not the Templars for example roam the land killing their enemies and often torturing innocent people, killing innocent people for not falling to the will of Christ?

The thing is, although there are a multiverse (a theory which states there are an infinite number of universes beyond "ours" lol) of contradictions and what I would call misinterpretations but what some would call LIES in the Bible you must understand that there are people on this planet who apparently represent Jesus.

Such as the Pope, the Pope has the ability to call certain decisions in the name of Christ, so if that means killing innocent people without justice and evidence (because christians love a world based on zero evidence) then so he shall do that.

The Pope can bend the laws of Christ, I heard by a very highly regarded astro-theologist that the Pope is considered, in very high areas of the Roman Catholic religion to be Jesus' VICAR.
there is more then enough evidence to prove chrisrtianty, but Iam not going to debate it with you, cause I dont think you care based
on every thing you write, which brings me to this point, Why do you feel the need to keep coming on this web site and continue to direspect christian with comments like{ christian love a world based on zero evidence} when you make comments like that, that
only shows me that you do not know what you are talking about. And if you do not belive in God then why waist your time putting Him down? if you can not rise above your chidish chatter, then mabey you should not say anything at all, because all you are doing is making your self seem foolish. And remember this site is to be used with respect while posting.

[Hardcore Newbie]

One stupid law well in the uk anyway infact most of them protect the real criminals for example if a burgular breaks into your house and you injure them or they injure themselves while inside your property they have the right to sue you which is pretty FUCKED UP!

Also another messed up one, if you leave your house unattended and they manage to get in somehow without breaking an entry eg walking through the door climbing in through the window then they can Legally stay there ie they legally own it and you have to take them to court to get them out of your own house which could take years, its called squatting pretty fucked up eh.If both of these are true, then someone squatting in your house can't hurt you when you break in to take it back :P

[krazy chino]

who ever said the country was runned by christians???? lol im convinced that the freemasons could possibly be running this country in sum way........but not christians hahahaha lol that was funny that rayg dog was actually serious about that

[bhouncy]

If both of these are true, then someone squatting in your house can't hurt you when you break in to take it back :P

Can't fault your logic there.

[WeedyBoyWonder]

Also another messed up one, if you leave your house unattended and they manage to get in somehow without breaking an entry eg walking through the door climbing in through the window then they can Legally stay there ie they legally own it and you have to take them to court to get them out of your own house which could take years, its called squatting pretty fucked up eh.

The thing about squatting is not quite like that, there has to be no active residence of the property, a "section 6" must be displayed on the door and there must be atleast one person in the property at all times to have "squatters rights", or something to that effect.

As for the thread, I was just reading. I'm indecisive all things this deep, because nobody knows, reading for the opinions.

[cannabis campbell]

If both of these are true, then someone squatting in your house can't hurt you when you break in to take it back :P


Can't fault your logic there.

Key word "break in" yes I know technically its still your property but they do have a right to it you would be charged with breaking and entering! Thats why its fucked up.


The thing about squatting is not quite like that, there has to be no active residence of the property, a "section 6" must be displayed on the door and there must be atleast one person in the property at all times to have "squatters rights", or something to that effect.

As for the thread, I was just reading. I'm indecisive all things this deep, because nobody knows, reading for the opinions.

Yeah I know that, thats what I meant sorry if i didnt make it clear basically if you leave your house unattended "WITH NO ONE INSIDE" then they cant grab it of you a pretty stupid loophole.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Key word "break in" yes I know technically its still your property but they do have a right to it you would be charged with breaking and entering! Thats why its fucked up.I was just going by what you wrote. You said if a burglar breaks in to your house, and they injure themselves, the burglar can sue. So if a squatter takes over your house because of a loophole, then you can "break in", like a burglar, and they can't hurt you, according to what you wrote. If they hurt you, you can sue, make it worth the house :p

[Fallen_Icarus]

there is more then enough evidence to prove chrisrtianty

Is there really? Is there enough evidence to throw the class of science of their entire theories of human existence and fall to the will of the theory... "GOD DID IT"?

Hmm, then why havent they?


but Iam not going to debate it

Why not, thats quite a defence you jump to, how about backing it with a thorough debate.


cause I dont think you care based
on every thing you write,

Well I would care if you could show me that your religion made any sense.


why do you feel the need to keep coming on this web site and continue to direspect christian with comments like{ christian love a world based on zero evidence}

Because I have the freedom to do so.



Normal readers are advised not to read the following passage, it is intended for "jdmarcus59"

I am not sorry if I have offended you, it is your own problem, the world is no longer a dessert, and think about that carefully, when I speak to people like you, I cant ever help but feel I am trying to communicate with a small village in a dessert surrounded by a barren, deserted, impecunious, impoverished wide area of land which contained in the centre, your town, your ideas and your beliefs.

Trying to communicate with this town can be difficult if not impossible, yet, if you are content with your beliefs, if they cause you nothing but pleasure throughout your entire life, if you have no doubt whatsoever in your mind regarding these beliefs and ideas of life and afterlife. If when you go to church on Sunday your pastor does not advise you on which way to vote, then id say stay put.

But, if your going to let your beliefs have an inflicting nature upon the freedom of ones speech, or the ideas of an open mind and infinite thinking which does not end when a holy book closes. If your going to allow your pastor to tell you which way to vote, if your sitting there trying to convince me to my mind atleast that 2 + 2 = 3.5, or if you ever, EVER threaten a child with eternal hell and torture, then I suggest you get yourself some sandals and go for a long long walk.

And its going to be painful.

There's no two ways about it, its going to take time and effort on your behalf. That thing of beauty you view in your mind everyday will fall when you look into science that thing you believe to be infinite truth, the doctrine you were raised around, the beautiful image of heaven, infinite peace and being with God and Jesus in the land of milk and honey... It will crumble when you look into science.

It will be like taking a few steps into that dessert, it will seem cold, barren, you will feel lost, yet wouldn't you prefer to be in a place which will provide you an infinite amount of freedom and an infinite amount of thought? Compiled together without the fear of being eternally burned alive in the pits of hell?

Wouldnâ??t you prefer a place where you know deep down that you were just in your deserted, small, isolated town of heaven all along? Or in reality may I add, if we move away from the dessert and town allegory - your psychological protection from the truth? Your cushion of comfort? You know the kind of cushion a child has when he/she is afraid?

It is difficult to write off millions of years of the belief and fear of an outer 'God' head figure whom is responsible for the volcanoes, the rain storms, thunder storms, the magical white dots in the sky at night drawn upon by the Gods, (what we call stars), and the man in the chariot whom draws the God across the sky with the use of flying horses? (What we call the sun, or what is in actual fact, just another star, one in an infinite number!!) or how about the injustice in the world? The sins? The whole question of the lack of justice? I was a terror in my teens is it justified that I spend eternity in hell? If one had sex before marriage, is it justified that God throw me in HELL for an eternity?

And remember if you times 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, by 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000 DECADES your not even mathematically close to beginning eternity.

Or how about a more obvious example? For simply not believing enough, I mean, indoctrinated people will go to major lengths to show their strength of belief and dedication to their indoctrination, im sure if you watched FOX news for 30 seconds you would find fitting examples. What about the justice for those actions?

...

Sorry for dragging you out into the sand a bit, but you have to make that choice, you can leave that town and head off into the dessert, and it will seem like a barren area of empty uncomforting, unsatisfying space, yet if you keep going, and I am always telling people to keep going, you will see some tree's on the horizon, there is water there and signs of civilisation, large amounts of civilisation at a growing rate. There are no promises of an afterlife of eternal joy and heaven, there are no promises of heaven whatsoever, or even any kind of afterlife, there are no threats or promises of eternal punishment, perdition and damnation for the sins.

You will loose the promise of eternal peace and love, but in place you will find a coherent story, a logical, organized, consistently rational, eloquent, expressive, fluent and apprehensible story of our universe and the infinite space and time that surrounds us.

There is no loom of fear over your actions, there is no corrupt priests or caliphs hypocritical doctrines and beliefs, there are no corrupt doctrines, no wars between sects of indoctrinated people, there are none of these.


.


So think twice when you question what I write and add statements like:


when you make comments like that

And..


And if you do not belive in God then why waist your time putting Him down?

And also...


if you can not rise above your chidish chatter, then mabey you should not say anything at all, because all you are doing is making your self seem foolish.


And after all of that he writes:


And remember this site is to be used with respect while posting.

You should remember that this website is an expression of the many freedoms we are loosing, the freedom to sample a plant in the privacy of your own home, a plant which has been used by humans since the dawn of time.

There is also something else man has used since the dawn of time, his mind, and it feels pretty good when you have the freedom to open and use it.

And remember, the mind is like a parachute, it can only work when it is open.









:thumbsup:

[jdmarcus59]

wow I feel sorry for you. I guess you dont get the part about respect.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

i still wanna know what kind of dessert this village is in the middle of. if it's coconut cream pie, i wanna live there too.:woohoo:

[JaggedEdge]

wow I feel sorry for you. I guess you dont get the part about respect.

I'm trying to stay out of this, but he really didn't say anything disrespectful. I think your over reacting. You posted about it feed back though, so I suppose we will find out what a mod thinks at any moment.

[Psycho4Bud]

Because I have the freedom to do so.

And so it is written....when thee acts like this the Mod shall smite you into the depths of Club Gitmo.

Enjoy the vacation!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[JaggedEdge]

I'm trying to stay out of this, but he really didn't say anything disrespectful. I think your over reacting. You posted about it feed back though, so I suppose we will find out what a mod thinks at any moment.

And so we have seen the outcome, the mods agreed with you. :jointsmile:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

as it is written, so it shall be.

amen:angelsmiley:

[bhouncy]

jdmarcus59 I'm not really surprised that guy had a go at you. I got a warning after an argument with you. You can be really annoying with your holier than thou I'm right your wrong attitude.

I think he was pissed at the fact that you can accept certain things based on what you've been told or read. Think of people who believe in aliens and yet have never seen one. They've heard stories of people who have seen them and video 'evidence' and they also believe the universe is so vast that there must be aliens. Does that mean that aliens exist? No. It mean they 'might' exist. Just like god 'might' exist. As far as I'm concerned you can believe what you want but please don't tell me how I should see the world because you read it in a book or had a 'feeling'.

Thank you for your time.

[jdmarcus59]

jdmarcus59 I'm not really surprised that guy had a go at you. I got a warning after an argument with you. You can be really annoying with your holier than thou I'm right your wrong attitude.

I think he was pissed at the fact that you can accept certain things based on what you've been told or read. Think of people who believe in aliens and yet have never seen one. They've heard stories of people who have seen them and video 'evidence' and they also believe the universe is so vast that there must be aliens. Does that mean that aliens exist? No. It mean they 'might' exist. Just like god 'might' exist. As far as I'm concerned you can believe what you want but please don't tell me how I should see the world because you read it in a book or had a 'feeling'.

Thank you for your time.Hi, just to clear up one thing you said" please dont tell me how i should see the world" like I have said before, We all have the God given right to belive what we want to belive, you are free to belive in what you want,I may not agree with
you, but I have no right to take that freedom from you,nor could I.
On this web site I state what I belive, when needed. or I answer qustion. what someone does with the information is up to them:)
peace

[jdmarcus59]

i still wanna know what kind of dessert this village is in the middle of. if it's coconut cream pie, i wanna live there too.:woohoo:

LOL.:)