Radical Islam

[IanCurtisWishlist]

Suicide bomb kills over 100 in Iraq - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq)

So a suicide bomb killed over 100 people in Iraq. I think that if these radical extremists want to kill themselves, maybe they should strap a bomb to their chest and blow themselves up in a field away from innocent civilians.

I don't really see the point in the message they are trying to give everybody. I am sickened by the attempted attacks in London and Glasgow and I hope the plotters have a very harsh sentence.

What I do not understand is why the terrorists target civilians. Wouldn't it be more effective if they killed politicians and political leaders? Let me put it this way--on Sept. 11th, when they took down the WTC, some 3,000 people were killed. Civilians, going to work to support themselves, were killed. But George Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld--the people responsible for the 'war' in Iraq--they are still living. Wouldn't it make more sense if these terrorists targeted political figures? What the terrorists fail to understand is that civilians are NOT declaring war on Iraq. There are many US and UK civilians who support the liberation of Palestine and are anti-zionist (which would ultimately be more sympathetic to their causes)

What the terrorists fail to realize is that civilians are not declaring war against Palestinians. Civilians make no distinction between hamas and hezbollah. Civilians are not responsible for the army's presence in the middle east, which angers most radical islamic factions. I wish the terrorists could understand that killing civilians does nothing but tarnish their cause.

This is not to say that I support the killing of politicians. I don't support the killing of anybody. And I certainly do not support terrorism. I feel that terrorists are pussies, not martyrs. If you want to declare war, put a fucking uniform on, pick up your rifle, and march in line.

Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah--they aren't doing terrorist activities for the name of Allah. They are doing it for their own personal and POLITICAL glory. We have seen this behavior throughout the course of time--religion is used to control people on a massive scale. I think that if Bin Laden had any balls he would strap a bomb to his own chest and kill himself. Do you know why he doesn't? It's the same reason that George Bush does not pick up a rifle and fight on the front line. Bin Laden cares nothing about the cause of Islam--he is simply doing it for political glory. I am reminded of such religious cults as the People's Temple Group (Jim Jones' cult which committed mass suicide). Surely it is Bin Laden who is the true kafir, who takes the name of Allah in vein for his own personal glory and reverence among the people who support him. He does it for his own glory--not for the glory of Islam. He does it so people hail HIM as a savior, so people might even come to worship him as a savior of some sort. This is why Muslims are killing eachother. Sunni against Shiia, but they supposedly worship the same God? It would appear that they do not know what their priorities are--worshiping Allah or fighting amongst themselves for political power. Do you think these fucking losers are really being guided by the will of Allah, or that of their own personal desires??? Understand that?

Let's understand this--that radical Islam is not a true representation of the Qur'an, in the same manner that Jim Jones' followers represented Christianity. I think too many westerners are prone to classify all of Islam as terrorist-related, mainly because too many westerners get their news from a single source--conservative media, which never really distinguishes between editorial-style journalism (opinions included) and basic fact.

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[wannabehippiegirl]

i skimmed through your post and i agree with everything you said
im happy someone knows the difference between the "muslims" you hear in the new and real muslims who are peaceful

[Oneironaut]

So a suicide bomb killed over 100 people in Iraq. I think that if these radical extremists want to kill themselves, maybe they should strap a bomb to their chest and blow themselves up in a field away from innocent civilians.
But that would defeat the purpose of the act. These people aren't killing themselves because they just want to end their own lives. These people really honestly believe that there is a God, that there is a heaven, and that one way to get guaranteed entry into heaven is to kill infidels in the name of Islam.

I don't really see the point in the message they are trying to give everybody. I am sickened by the attempted attacks in London and Glasgow and I hope the plotters have a very harsh sentence.

What I do not understand is why the terrorists target civilians. Wouldn't it be more effective if they killed politicians and political leaders? Let me put it this way--on Sept. 11th, when they took down the WTC, some 3,000 people were killed. Civilians, going to work to support themselves, were killed. But George Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld--the people responsible for the 'war' in Iraq--they are still living. Wouldn't it make more sense if these terrorists targeted political figures? What the terrorists fail to understand is that civilians are NOT declaring war on Iraq. There are many US and UK civilians who support the liberation of Palestine and are anti-zionist (which would ultimately be more sympathetic to their causes)

What the terrorists fail to realize is that civilians are not declaring war against Palestinians. Civilians make no distinction between hamas and hezbollah. Civilians are not responsible for the army's presence in the middle east, which angers most radical islamic factions. I wish the terrorists could understand that killing civilians does nothing but tarnish their cause.
Again, you seem to not understand what these people are killing for. They're not killing to spread a message, or to support some political faction. They're killing in order to make sure there are fewer non-Muslims in the world. That is why they target civilians. Because we civilians are just as non-Muslim as our political leaders, and thus, in their eyes, equally worthy of death.


Let's understand this--that radical Islam is not a true representation of the Qur'an,
From this statement, I take it you have not actually bothered to look at what's written in the Qur'an. So many people are so quick to swallow the whole "Islam is a religion of peace" myth because they think "real" religion is always supposed to be peaceful. Well, Islam is not a religion of peace. As long as you're taking the Qur'an seriously, at least.

I realize there are a lot of "moderate" Muslims who don't take the Qur'an seriously (perhaps even the majority) yet still believe parts of it, just like there are a lot of Christians who don't take the extremely violent Old Testament seriously but still believe in the Ten Commandments. This is because most people are moral to begin with and project their own morality onto their holy book when they read it, ignoring those bits that are grossly immoral. Some people, people who are more intellectually honest about their religion, don't do that, and take their holy text's morality as the ultimate authority on moral matters. We call these people "fundamentalists". You can't just pretend that the Qur'an has nothing to do with these terrorists' beliefs that non-Muslims deserve to be murdered. It's written right in there, whether you like it or not.

Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.

Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
Funny, I can't find any passages about religious tolerance...

Keep in mind that these Muslim terrorists really are Muslims. If they really believed that Allah has put a prohibition on all killing, they would not be doing the things they do, because they really do believe in Allah. They're not atheists pretending to be Muslims. They're not Muslims who don't really think Allah was serious. They're not Muslims who are fanatically devoted to their religious beliefs but somehow completely ignorant of what the Qur'an says. They're Muslims who actually read the Qur'an and take its contents seriously. Perhaps if you took the time to read their holy book you might begin to understand a little where these people's belief systems come from.

[Polymirize]

Let me put it this way--on Sept. 11th, when they took down the WTC, some 3,000 people were killed. Civilians, going to work to support themselves, were killed. But George Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld--the people responsible for the 'war' in Iraq--they are still living. Wouldn't it make more sense if these terrorists targeted political figures?

Sept 11th happened before the war in Iraq. I mean, I guess you could link it to Desert Storm reparations, if you wanted to make really convoluted arguments.
But unless you're trying to make that connection, we went to war because of sept 11th, remember? Because Iraq was behind it the whole time...

As I understand it the fundamentalist bone to pick is not with US political system, but rather with our way of life. Which, all of our civilians partake in. In this tacit participation, there are no noncombatants, everyone is a target because the battle is over lifestyle itself.

They're a dogmatically bound people, controlled by overly religious leaders and doing the best they can with the weapons they have.

It's important to remember however that God is on our side, George W is a great man, and our armorment is vastly superior to theirs. And we only kill the bad muslims who really really deserve it. Civilian casualities are for barbarians.

[IanCurtisWishlist]

[quote=Oneironaut]But that would defeat the purpose of the act. These people aren't killing themselves because they just want to end their own lives. These people really honestly believe that there is a God, that there is a heaven, and that one way to get guaranteed entry into heaven is to kill infidels in the name of Islam.

Again, you seem to not understand what these people are killing for. They're not killing to spread a message, or to support some political faction. They're killing in order to make sure there are fewer non-Muslims in the world. That is why they target civilians. Because we civilians are just as non-Muslim as our political leaders, and thus, in their eyes, equally worthy of death.


From this statement, I take it you have not actually bothered to look at what's written in the Qur'an. So many people are so quick to swallow the whole "Islam is a religion of peace" myth because they think "real" religion is always supposed to be peaceful. Well, Islam is not a religion of peace. As long as you're taking the Qur'an seriously, at least.

I realize there are a lot of "moderate" Muslims who don't take the Qur'an seriously (perhaps even the majority) yet still believe parts of it, just like there are a lot of Christians who don't take the extremely violent Old Testament seriously but still believe in the Ten Commandments. This is because most people are moral to begin with and project their own morality onto their holy book when they read it, ignoring those bits that are grossly immoral. Some people, people who are more intellectually honest about their religion, don't do that, and take their holy text's morality as the ultimate authority on moral matters. We call these people "fundamentalists". You can't just pretend that the Qur'an has nothing to do with these terrorists' beliefs that non-Muslims deserve to be murdered. It's written right in there, whether you like it or not.[/i]




read it and weep

Islam & Religious Tolerance (http://www.kuftaro.org/english/WOT/Islam_and_Religious_Tolerance.htm)

[IVXX]

Religions are the problem, they create the "US" vs "Them" crap! Even in the USA religion creates all kinds of problems, although most of these problems are not violent, they are still huge problems rooted in the myth of GOD!

The Muslims are no more violent than the Christians were not too long ago...Islam has many years of violent actions left before it reforms itself, so get use to the senseless killing of humans in the name of Allah!

[LIP]

They said in todays paper there are over 250 terror cells in the UK. MI5 are loosing control, and there saying that one or more could easily fall through the net because they cannot watch them all at the same time. That's not good enough. That means it's easy to stage a bombing - and it's worse if MI5 know about them but cant watch them and dont know what they're up to. It's not worth taking the risk. If they're known by MI5, arrest them straight away, and lock them up. If they're known by MI5, they are terrorists, simple as that. If they're known to meet with other terrorists then they are a possibility. I'd rather lock them all up and be safe than let them wander our streets with bombs all over them.

They're lunatics, and they have no rights to life. They deserve to die in the most painful way. If they're a terrorist and they get tortured they deserve it.

[jahjahjahjah]

Suicide bomb kills over 100 in Iraq - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq)

So a suicide bomb killed over 100 people in Iraq. I think that if these radical extremists want to kill themselves, maybe they should strap a bomb to their chest and blow themselves up in a field away from innocent civilians.

I don't really see the point in the message they are trying to give everybody. I am sickened by the attempted attacks in London and Glasgow and I hope the plotters have a very harsh sentence.

What I do not understand is why the terrorists target civilians. Wouldn't it be more effective if they killed politicians and political leaders? Let me put it this way--on Sept. 11th, when they took down the WTC, some 3,000 people were killed. Civilians, going to work to support themselves, were killed. But George Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld--the people responsible for the 'war' in Iraq--they are still living. Wouldn't it make more sense if these terrorists targeted political figures? What the terrorists fail to understand is that civilians are NOT declaring war on Iraq. There are many US and UK civilians who support the liberation of Palestine and are anti-zionist (which would ultimately be more sympathetic to their causes)

What the terrorists fail to realize is that civilians are not declaring war against Palestinians. Civilians make no distinction between hamas and hezbollah. Civilians are not responsible for the army's presence in the middle east, which angers most radical islamic factions. I wish the terrorists could understand that killing civilians does nothing but tarnish their cause.

This is not to say that I support the killing of politicians. I don't support the killing of anybody. And I certainly do not support terrorism. I feel that terrorists are pussies, not martyrs. If you want to declare war, put a fucking uniform on, pick up your rifle, and march in line.

Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah--they aren't doing terrorist activities for the name of Allah. They are doing it for their own personal and POLITICAL glory. We have seen this behavior throughout the course of time--religion is used to control people on a massive scale. I think that if Bin Laden had any balls he would strap a bomb to his own chest and kill himself. Do you know why he doesn't? It's the same reason that George Bush does not pick up a rifle and fight on the front line. Bin Laden cares nothing about the cause of Islam--he is simply doing it for political glory. I am reminded of such religious cults as the People's Temple Group (Jim Jones' cult which committed mass suicide). Surely it is Bin Laden who is the true kafir, who takes the name of Allah in vein for his own personal glory and reverence among the people who support him. He does it for his own glory--not for the glory of Islam. He does it so people hail HIM as a savior, so people might even come to worship him as a savior of some sort. This is why Muslims are killing eachother. Sunni against Shiia, but they supposedly worship the same God? It would appear that they do not know what their priorities are--worshiping Allah or fighting amongst themselves for political power. Do you think these fucking losers are really being guided by the will of Allah, or that of their own personal desires??? Understand that?

Let's understand this--that radical Islam is not a true representation of the Qur'an, in the same manner that Jim Jones' followers represented Christianity. I think too many westerners are prone to classify all of Islam as terrorist-related, mainly because too many westerners get their news from a single source--conservative media, which never really distinguishes between editorial-style journalism (opinions included) and basic fact.

Share your feedback!

We murder thousands of innocent iraqi's each day were in iraq, Mothers, fathers,children, the handicapped, the elderly, we blow them up with pussy ass rockets,and air strikes, cuz sum of those GI assholes over there are to pussy to look a child in the eye and kill it. I hate when people go OH MY GOD AMERICANS GOT KILLED IN IRAQ, yeah and they prolly took a 1000+ innocent people with them

[Delta9 UK]

It's important to remember however that God is on our side, George W is a great man, and our armorment is vastly superior to theirs. And we only kill the bad muslims who really really deserve it. Civilian casualities are for barbarians.

:vap_smiley: I coughed and laughed so hard I think I damaged a little part of my brain

[IanCurtisWishlist]

Salaam 69!

War in every sense is fucked up. It is the resort of closed-minded idiots who can only think for themselves--that is to say, they are only in it for their own personal gain. We have had constant wars since the roman empire. When the fuck are we going to step up and realize that this is a CYCLE which we can stop??? I think the very people who declare war need to be killed and made an example of, so as to say, "if you bring war and destruction to the world, THIS will be your fate".

[Psycho4Bud]

We murder thousands of innocent iraqi's each day were in iraq, Mothers, fathers,children, the handicapped, the elderly, we blow them up with pussy ass rockets,and air strikes, cuz sum of those GI assholes over there are to pussy to look a child in the eye and kill it. I hate when people go OH MY GOD AMERICANS GOT KILLED IN IRAQ, yeah and they prolly took a 1000+ innocent people with them

Really.........glad to hear ya need a vacation. While ya got the time off try seeing a shrink for that condition.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Coelho]

Really.........glad to hear ya need a vacation. While ya got the time off try seeing a shrink for that condition.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Well... if he was banned only for expressing his opinion, then i think this site became a dictature with no freedom of speech.

Anyway, the greatest terrorist attack of the world's history was done by the innocent and righteous U.S.A., when almost 500,000 people were killed. Most of them were evaporated instantly, when two atomic weapons were droped on hiroshima and nagasaki. Children, woman, elders, everybody was burned, without any distinction. Almost all of them were civilians. And those who survived were harmed for life, and died slowly after it of leucemy, cancer, and another diseases caused by radiation. That was the most cruel, ruthless and unnecessary attack that ever happened. Compared to this, the 9/11 was only a child's play.

[Polymirize]

Why would you ban him for speaking his opinion? It was pretty much truthful...

I'm inclined to agree. As much as I'm not a fan of JahJah's posts I don't really think its justified to ban him for his(her?) opinion on this. JahJah's right that our tally of people killed is probably far higher than theirs.

Isn't that something to be proud of Psycho?

[Thepossumdance]

I've been there... walked all through the peace museum stood in awe of hiroshima castle (the epicenter) and guess what I still think we made the right god damn choice... Japan was not going to give up and u fucking know it

although to be honest war's a bitch... if a country goes to war not only should the soldiers not expect safety but at this point the civilians shouldnt either... thats what the world has come to...

[FakeBoobsRule]

Reaper, coelho, and polymirize, do you think it could have been this statement that reflected badly on marijuana users or this site:


cuz sum of those GI assholes over there are to pussy to look a child in the eye and kill it.
Talking about the killing of children and calling our troops names, not cool. He could have expressed his opinion in a way that had class and maturity.

[Coelho]

I've been there... walked all through the peace museum stood in awe of hiroshima castle (the epicenter) and guess what I still think we made the right god damn choice... Japan was not going to give up and u fucking know it

But even if the japaneses were to fight until their last soldier, killing hundreds of thousand of innocent civilians, without warning and without any means of defense is not justified.
Now the U.S.A is in war against the Iraq. And the usa seems that wont give up either. So, if the iraq had nuclear weapons and used it against the usa, following your logic, this attack would be justified.
Would?


if a country goes to war not only should the soldiers not expect safety but at this point the civilians shouldnt either...

Ok, but when a country goes to war, the people are not asked if they agree or not in going to war. The government decides so, and the people must live with it, agreeing or not with the war.

[Quincyboy]

you just realized that the radicals are mising the point?

[Polymirize]

Reaper, coelho, and polymirize, do you think it could have been this statement that reflected badly on marijuana users or this site:


Talking about the killing of children and calling our troops names, not cool. He could have expressed his opinion in a way that had class and maturity.

Plenty of shit on this site reflects badly on marijuana users. I think that's ok, we're a cross-section of humanity afterall, and people always have different opinions about things.

I think what DOES reflect very badly of us as a community is strict idealogical censorship by the power elite. Or power elitist.

JahJah can have his (her? For some reason I seem to recall JahJah as a female) own opinion. Psycho as a member of leadership, needs to be held to a higher standard. He needs to be accountable in a way that JahJah does not, because of the power he has.

At least, that's my rather quaint opinion on the nature of power and goverance. Why is it we're better than the terrorists again?

[MajMike]

I've been to war and there's nothing good about it. War is ugly, barbaric, and indifferent to your status (civilian/soldier, rich/poor, etc), and there is no way to change that.

Men, women and children all bleed the same, and in war they all can kill you, so you do what you have to do to survive. However, that NEVER includes purposeful targeting of non-combatants. That is the difference between us and them, and we need to preserve it at all costs.

"War is hell" was true then and is still true today, despite the changes in our technologies I think Sherman would recognize all our problems in Iraq.

Lastly: While this thread is about Radical Islam, I remind us all that fanaticism knows no religious or political boundaries (remember Tim McVeigh?).

[IanCurtisWishlist]

The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed over 500,000 people. That's what I call an atrocity.

I totally agree that dropping nuclear bombs is the greatest form of terrorism and that the united states is arrogant for saying that this was better than our soldiers dying in a ground battle. we did not have to use a nuclear weapon, it was simply to show the USSR who is more powerful (pre cold-war shit)

back to the subject at hand. <img src=http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/london.jpg>

Let's not ever forget this kind of thing. We need to find a solution to wiping out radical Islam. Ahhhh there is the problem--letting peaceful muslims know we are not after them--and that we even might sympathize with them-- while going after the radicals to ultimately kill them. I believe the first thing we need to do is get the US troops out of IRAQ--WHY ARE WE FIGHTING *THEIR* CIVIL WAR????????? The whole purpose of George Bush's administration has been to lead a crusade against "terrorism" (then he pardons his friend *cough* hypocrite *cough*). What about his original campaign ideas? We have the perfect example of an incompetent stupid bull-headed leader with a temper. Fuck him.

[Breukelen advocaat]

The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed over 500,000 people. That's what I call an atrocity.

I totally agree that dropping nuclear bombs is the greatest form of terrorism and that the united states is arrogant for saying that this was better than our soldiers dying in a ground battle. we did not have to use a nuclear weapon, it was simply to show the USSR who is more powerful (pre cold-war shit)



Where did you get the figure of 500,000 people killed by the atomic bombs (they were not nuclear bombs) dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The figures I have seen are much lower than that.

If Japan had quickly surrendered after the first one was dropped, we wouldn't have had to give them the second.

[Thepossumdance]

But even if the japaneses were to fight until their last soldier, killing hundreds of thousand of innocent civilians, without warning and without any means of defense is not justified.
Now the U.S.A is in war against the Iraq. And the usa seems that wont give up either. So, if the iraq had nuclear weapons and used it against the usa, following your logic, this attack would be justified.
Would?



Ok, but when a country goes to war, the people are not asked if they agree or not in going to war. The government decides so, and the people must live with it, agreeing or not with the war.

sorry but thats kinda how the world works buddy... we elect officials to represent us... if you allow a government to represent you, you are responsible for every single decision they make regardless of whether you agree with it or not. if you don't like war then elect a government that doesnt like it either...

applying rules to war is a tricky subject... this isnt scrabble, people fucking die... how are u gonna agree with someone who you're trying to kill on what the rules are on who you are gonna be allowed to blow up and who you arent...

war sucks... it's not like i'm happy about the situation we are in... it sucks that we are under the constant threat of attack... but honestly if we are gonna be at war we shouldnt really expect anything else


PS Breukelen advocaat is 100% right

[jdmarcus59]

We murder thousands of innocent iraqi's each day were in iraq, Mothers, fathers,children, the handicapped, the elderly, we blow them up with pussy ass rockets,and air strikes, cuz sum of those GI assholes over there are to pussy to look a child in the eye and kill it. I hate when people go OH MY GOD AMERICANS GOT KILLED IN IRAQ, yeah and they prolly took a 1000+ innocent people with them

have you ever served in the US army are navy ect.....? if not dont call are
troops GI assholes, cause if you have not served then close your mouth
and just smoke another bowl and keep your delusion to your self thank you.
I was in the army I was a airbourn Ranger, and the only pussy are the ones
with all show(are mouth)and no go, a Ranger layes down his life to save others.:cool:

[MajMike]

You and I know that folks who haven't been there cannot fully understand it, no matter how many war movies they've seen.

Until they smell the cordite, the blood on hot steel, or see someone's guts all over the ground, the experience cannot be communicated.

There is no glory in war, never has been and never will be, there's just killing. It is to be avoided at all costs, and if necessary prosecuted to the fullest and fought to be won.

"There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."
- General George Patton Jr

[Psycho4Bud]

Reaper, coelho, and polymirize, do you think it could have been this statement that reflected badly on marijuana users or this site:


Talking about the killing of children and calling our troops names, not cool. He could have expressed his opinion in a way that had class and maturity.

A voice of reason............countries leaders tell these folks where to go and what to do. If you got a beef with what's happening blame them not the poor grunt on the ground. Ol' boy likes to push the line whenever possible in here and if you really want to call this censorship.....go for it, I call it good taste. I don't care for radical muslims but I'm intelligent enough NOT to classify all muslims as baby killing pussies.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[IanCurtisWishlist]

george bush pick up your fucking rifle and go fight in iraq i'd love to see you come home in a body bag fucking ignorant prick cant even form a coherent sentence because of all the cocaine the bastard did. george bush is a pussy little bitch. our freedoms don't come from george bush-- they come from the people who wrote our constitution--thank GOD (or whatever diety) for that.

i think when they try to revoke the constitution in america we're gonna see a bloody civil war. the kind of war where citizens storm military bases and armories with guillotines and chop off everybody's fucking head until justice is served. fuck yeah. I'm reminded of the phrase which the king of france said before the revolution, "L'etait c'est moi"--or I am the Government. Well fuck george bush , let him eat cake. let him eat feces and let him walk around in a fucking war zone smelling napalm, seeing bodies piled up in mounds, seeing families killed in the name of some stupid fucking cause which makes NO SENSE.


(not a terrorist threat, just anger)