CLONE ONLY SUCKS!!!!

[fsunoles]

What's up with all of this clone only crap.Whats taking them so long to produce seeds for these exoctic strains like etc...

purple kush
bubble kush
grandaddy purple
purple urkle

[Dnutz]

they keep it clone only because they are all in cali and are all stuck up...not doggin people from cali...but thats im opinion. beans should be produced for all to enjoy and grow...but hey california is its own country lol they do what they like there ;)

[PharmaCan]

Some of the MMJ dispenseries in Ca sell seeds. So, if you know someone in Ca with an MMJ Rx you could get seeds that way.

...just a thought.

PC :pimp:

[Matt the Funk]

they keep it clone only because they are all in cali and are all stuck up...not doggin people from cali...but thats im opinion. beans should be produced for all to enjoy and grow...but hey california is its own country lol they do what they like there ;)Lol yep...we are like our own little country...someone just needs to get some clones and get some good beans here....send em over to amsterdam, and let them make something good.

[indicagrower]

What's up with all of this clone only crap.Whats taking them so long to produce seeds for these exoctic strains like etc...

purple kush
bubble kush
grandaddy purple
purple urkle

i think maybe if i came up with a bad ass strain i would do clone only to keep people from breeding and sell "MY" shit

[rhizome]

When a strain is clone-only, that's because it's not really a strain.

It's an exceptional individual- breeding it with another individual would only water it down.

If you think that it's taking too long, you should make the right connections, get somebody to give you cuts, and then go through the process of cubing it out to produce a seed crop. The cubing part will take you 3-5 years, getting the connections or growing out enough individuals to score a truely exceptional cut takes a lot longer.

This is how Princess ( a clone only " strain") was bred out into C99- a true- breeding strain. Took about a decade.

Be patient, if you treat folks well, the special cuts will come your way.

[Dnutz]

good stuff rhizome!

[ryanses]

they keep it clone only because they are all in cali and are all stuck up...not doggin people from cali...but thats im opinion. beans should be produced for all to enjoy and grow...but hey california is its own country lol they do what they like there ;)

im from cali and i couldnt agree more. all of the strains mentioned in the first post ive seen a lot around where i live. grandaddy, urcle, purple kush. some people in cali need to lighten up

[PharmaCan]

Truth be told, there's not a whole lot of consistency within the "strains" when you buy them here. I buy from mmj dispensaries, which should be pretty reliable sources, but, for example, the purple erkle from one dispensary isn't necessarily going to be the same as from another. Hell, it even varies from one week to the next at the same dispensary.

PC :smokin:

[psteve]

Pay attention

There's NO SUCH THING AS SEEDS FROM A CLONE-ONLY STRAIN.

No one is 'holding out' the seeds. They just simply don't exist.
Learn a little about the plant before you make up lies about it.

[Dnutz]

steve, no one said you couldnt breed the clone with a male of the same genetics already in the plant to get seeds...

[the image reaper]

I don't know, maybe you could try the old tried-and-true 'lesbian turkey-baster method of fertilization' , :S2:

[the image reaper]

steve, no one said you couldnt breed the clone with a male of the same genetics already in the plant to get seeds...

that isn't the problem, the problem is, when 'clone-only', it is usually because there is NO male, (or, female, as was the case of the G-13 legend) ... takes two to tango ... :smokin:

[Dnutz]

lol is that the same method as "painting"?

[Dnutz]

cant you introduce a male of high quality? or would it "water it down" as said above?

[psteve]

steve, no one said you couldnt breed the clone with a male of the same genetics already in the plant to get seeds...
But that would mean that, by definition, it wasn't 'clone only'.

[Dnutz]

fuck the clone only bullshit then...keep it in cali. there are many other dominant strains that arent clones so like i said...fuck it.

[fsunoles]

That's bull shit make motherfucker go hermie or something.If that is the case didn't the original mother come from seed then. Exactly then their must be seeds for it or just fucking cross it then.

[Dnutz]

word! it all starts from seed...

[the image reaper]

fuck the clone only bullshit then...keep it in cali. there are many other dominant strains that arent clones so like i said...fuck it.

real nice language ...

[the image reaper]

That's bull shit make motherfucker go hermie or something.If that is the case didn't the original mother come from seed then. Exactly then their must be seeds for it or just fucking cross it then.

and, another real nice post ...

[the image reaper]

as an answer to your mistaken ideas about 'clone-only' strains ... IF, for instance, you were to cross a couple plants, and get a 'very special, potent' offspring, AND they happened to be all-female, (as I frequently have), you have no choice, except to clone ... forcing a 'hermaphrodite', just to get a male for pollen, results in a 'damaged' breedline, and will usually result in 'hermies' in subsequent generations ... hermies are BAD ... crossing your females with males from another strain, results in another hybrid, not true to your original plant (which was your original desire) ... THAT is why some varieties are 'clone-only' ... it is NOT some 'secret plot' to keep the strains in California, or anywhere else, for that matter ... the famous 'G-13', for example, existed as only a male clone, but is credited with influencing many strains ... :smokin:

[fsunoles]

as an answer to your mistaken ideas about 'clone-only' strains ... IF, for instance, you were to cross a couple plants, and get a 'very special, potent' offspring, AND they happened to be all-female, (as I frequently have), you have no choice, except to clone ... forcing a 'hermaphrodite', just to get a male for pollen, results in a 'damaged' breedline, and will usually result in 'hermies' in subsequent generations ... hermies are BAD ... crossing your females with males from another strain, results in another hybrid, not true to your original plant (which was your original desire) ... THAT is why some varieties are 'clone-only' ... it is NOT some 'secret plot' to keep the strains in California, or anywhere else, for that matter ... the famous 'G-13', for example, existed as only a male clone, but is credited with influencing many strains ... :smokin:

You make good points. So what you are telling me is that it is impossible to obtain these strains listed. So pretty much the first person with urkle seeds went 100% female with all of their seeds.

[the image reaper]

possibly, I have no way of knowing the background of those particular popular clones, just saying the absence of a male, is possibly why the 'clone-only' situation exists ... it IS possible some breeder purposely keeps them clone-only to protect their strain, but I personally have never heard of that situation ... most breeders would LOVE to make a batch of seeds from designer strains ... for instance, the only way to find Mauie Wowie, Panama Red, and a few other 'extinct' strains in seed form, is when they have been crossed with another strain, usually resulting in something that didn't impress, like the original ... :smokin:

[Dnutz]

real nice language ...

ya it was more out of rant...lol. but im glad you put the info in your posts so that we novice growers/lovers dont get confused!

[2ezy]

If I had one of these clone onlys, I would treat it with GB acid so it would pollinate itself and give me some beans..

That aside, anyone can find outstanding individuals/phenos when growing. I think these clone onlys are prob decent smoke, but they are only highly valued as they are exclusive(hard to obtain) and peeps always want what they don't have. I strong doubt they live up to hype and if they were freely available they wouldn't be nearly as prized.

[psteve]

If I had one of these clone onlys, I would treat it with GB acid so it would pollinate itself and give me some beans..Do you really think you're the first person to think of this? If it worked, there would be train wreck seeds for sale on every website.


That aside, anyone can find outstanding individuals/phenos when growing. I think these clone onlys are prob decent smoke, but they are only highly valued as they are exclusive(hard to obtain) and peeps always want what they don't have. I strong doubt they live up to hype and if they were freely available they wouldn't be nearly as prized.
You've obviously never tried train wreck, or purple urkel.

[GDS StonerBoy]

I tried trainwreck before but if it is clone only how did my dealer get it way in louisiana unless he lied and i tried something else?! I do know that he is a grower so i believed him!

[the image reaper]

If I had one of these clone onlys, I would treat it with GB acid so it would pollinate itself and give me some beans..

treating with gibberlic acid will only force the plant to go hermaphroditic, which will pollute the resulting generation with a 'hermie' tendency ... plenty of ways to force a hermie, without resorting to gibberlic acid, a highly-toxic chemical, and dangerous to work with ... there are safe methods to do the same thing, but I recommend against forcing hermies ... I feel our marijuana strains are already suffering permanent damage from growing out hermies, from so-called 'feminized' seeds ... 'feminizing' isn't necessary, only 'patience' is required ... grow out regular seeds, select your females, and clone your favorites ... HERMIES = BAD ... :smokin:

[stinkyattic]

Just FYI, even if you force-herm a clone-only strain and 'self' it, you are still subject to the laws of Mendelian genetics! If your clone-only strain is heterozygous for any trait, you WILL see phenotypic variation in the next generation for that trait.

Forcing herms on these strains IMHO is a way to make a POTENTIAL backup copy, but as Rhizome said earlier, you then have to carefully breed these and backcross them to the original mother, selecting the most perfect copies among the offspring, before you truly have a good seed line.

[2ezy]

I never said it was a great solution(or that I was the only one to think of GB acid) but something I would do myself, obviously as a starting point. I think Stinkyattic knows where I'm coming from.

As for hermies, you can buy seeds from highly regarded seed banks and still get many strains that go hermie at the drop of a hat. As a matter of fact I don't see that tendency as a weakness in the plant(though not wanted by growers) but as it's inbuilt survival mechanism. Look at thai landrace strains and there strong tendency to herm, and imho is the best sativa on the planet. Is there such a thing as a hermie free plant anyway? Stress the shit out of it and it should hermie, if it doesn't than it lacks it's natural survival instinct. Good thing? You decide..

Psteve, going to try a few "clone onlys" shortly including trainwreck and i'll get back to you. If it outdoes Chocolate Thai in the sativa stakes i'll be damned. BTW, there are many people that have tried these CO's and think there pretty average..

[stinkyattic]

I still have yet to actually recognize a chocolate flavor in bud. I just can't get my taste buds around it, lol. They refuse to acknowledge that the smoke tastes like chocolate. I gave up on chocolate chunk partially out of frustration that it didn't taste like anything, lol.

Force-herm with GA... I have mixed feelings about it... if it's a strain that is very resistant, it's a viable option for someone who knows what they are doing; IMHO if you find yourself in the position where you are DESPERATE to force-herm a plant, you very likely also have the resources to figure out the proper application of GA, lol.

I'd try to force herm in this order:
1) photoperiod stress. Paper bag over plant. Remove randomly. Shine bright light up in there randomly. Or put plant in large cardboard box. Set CFL on timer to go on and off at odd hours.
2) Allow over-ripening 2 weeks past harvest. You SHOULD get some bananas.
3) Induce heat stress. Not that great because first off, where are you going to do that, and second, it WOULD be nice to have a helathy plant at the end of it all
4) Combinations of the above
5) GA. Because you can't use that plant for consumption after.

[2ezy]

Look for the chocolate flavour in the aftertaste mate. It wont standout as much as say the old school bubblegum taste though but it is usually there.

Great post too SA!!!

[khronik]

Yeah, stinky's right about the heterozygous traits. Most living things have two sets of DNA, one from the mom and one from the dad. These sets will always be mostly the same, but occasionally, you'll have two different genes, or alleles. Often, the genes are dominant or recessive, meaning only one type will express itself. But sometimes, genes can be codominant or incomplete dominant, meaning both sets of DNA express themselves. When you cross a plant with itself, only half of the heterozygous traits (ie, traits where the two alleles are different) remain the same with the offspring.

A lot of the really awesome plants are hybrids, meaning the two parents are quite different. This means that a lot of the offsprings' genes are heterozygous, so pollinating one of these hybrids with itself will get rid of a lot of the heterozygous traits, and having some of these heterozygous traits may be what makes the plant so awesome.

In most cases forcing a hermie will not make the offspring more likely to hermie, especially if you're pollinating within an inbred line. If there is a gene that increases susceptibility to hermaphrodite phenotypes in your gene pool, then you may be bringing it to the forefront, but most good lines have probably had the hermie genes bred out of them by now. Anyway, the problem usually isn't due to breeders that breed for themselves, it's due to seed banks that sell feminized seeds from plants that hermie really easily. Which means those plants may also hermie easily for you, which is probably a bad thing.

[shaggytodope]

Listen up! I crossed a male C99 with a bluberry x NL #5 and grew out lots of beans. I had so much difference in the seeds you would not belive they came off the same plant. But, I got one hell of a prize, one plant that grows huge, looks like the bbx nl but smokes like the c99 and I have yielded 3 1/2 pounds off one plant indoors with side lighting. This is a clone only plant! I could plant some more of the seeds she came from but to get another like her is not likely to happen. I just got lucky. and to boot she does not smell, I mean I can have people in my house with a full 5k grow on and no smell. So if you want one of those super plants you need the clone or as previously mentioned cube it, wich I am in the process of, 2 years into so far. I used a white widow male. Oh yeah I would share mine for free, fuck those ripoffs and stingy fuckers, who cares, just share, SHAGGY

[HighTillIDie]

stinky the choco taste does exsist... i'm not 100% sure when you taste it, but i know for a 100% fact it does exsist...

that's how i know i smoked true MTF, i was like damn this taste like choco a lil bit... and years later when reading up on MTF, sure enough it is suposed to taste like the bean

and yall, don't worry about the clone only strains... strains aren't THAT unique... just play with breeding, and growing... and eventually you will find your favorite

[ismokealldaylong420]

i didnt evan know purple kush was clone only.There is alot of that going around non-stop were im at and its nowere near california:thumbsup:

[fsunoles]

Shaggy that's sweet spread the wealth on those beans.

[shaggytodope]

It will take some time to weed all the white widow out of her but thats all I got, TIME

[stinkyattic]

Yeah I know there IS a chocolate flavor, but I have had a difficult time actually recognizing it- to me, both the Chunk and the MTF come across more as a dark richness.
Shaggy- that was sweet of you but we can't even offer free beans to friends on here, sorry!

[herbie the love bud]

Took me a little bit (not too long) to get my head around clone vs. beans. But I think one way to think of it is YOU are a product of your mother and father. If you could fuck yourself you wouldn't make another you. Similarly fucking your partner further dilutes your parent's genes and fucking your sister can bring about unwanted outcomes.

Thus you need to clone until the strain is stable enough that seeds can be produced that will yield the same results.

I live in Cali and no we are not "like a little country" we ARE a big country. And as anyone in this subforum knows, strain names really don't mean shit even at dispensaries, because so many breeders have the "same" strain with different genetics. So truth be told, name actually doesn't really mean anything except to the enthusiasts.