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Blisterize
01-09-2005, 11:06 PM
Angels with Dirty Faces (Ezekiel 28)


This title sounds facetious, but this is one of the most solemn messages that is available today

History

 The city of Tyre has a peninsula going out to it that was built by Alexander the Great out of the ruins of ancient Tyre, which Nebuchadnazzer had destroyed
 Tyre was one of the great sea powers of the ancient world
 This was Satans Headquarters at one time; his capitol was there at ancient Tyre
 Tyre was one of the most prominent and prosperous cities in the pagan world at that time
 They penetrated further with the Phoenician fleet than any other fleet in ancient times
 An extremely flourishing and influential city; imported commerce from all over the world; Mammon had been the god of ancient Tyre; business was glorified; sex was a religion and worshipped; Jezebel came from there, her father was a High Priest in the temple of Baal; materialism was the way of life
 It was this city against which Ezekiel took up a Lamentation; against the prince and king of Tyre
 In this wonderful history we are given the knowledge, the wisdom of the true creation of the highest being God ever created, Lucifer, Son of the Morning (Day Star)

The Angel Lucifer

 One must bare in mind that Satan is an angel, the most mighty of all the angelic host
 He may be limited in earthly territory today, according to scripture, but his demonic power and dominion are NOT limited so far on this earth
 More is said concerning him in scripture than of any of the other angels
 But in spite of this fact, the world today has a gross misconception of Satan, his purpose and his mission
 Whitaker Chambers (Whitaker Chambers came out of communism, interestingly enough) was editor of Life Magazine a long time ago. He wrote an article on the devil that went something like this: ??When the Age of Reason Began, [Satan] went underground, his strategy is to make men think he doesn??t even exist, and although theologians are now discovering him anew, he never had it so good! Throughout most of Christian history, the devil was real and personal, and never far from the minds of men. Today, he has retreated into the realm of a myth, and a joke to most people. Recently, however, philosophers have seen him roaming the earth and have identified him as the same old Prince of Evil?? and he goes on to name some prominent philosophers of the day that apparently agree and then to describe a party at which the devil was worshipped?
 So we live in a day in which this angel, the devil, has accomplished an unbelievable trick, he has unbelievers believing he doesn??t even exist!
 Satan wants to be the opposite of what men think he is; he wants to be like God, not necessarily opposed to God and certainly not different from Him
 So it is no wonder that Satan is the greatest promoter of religion imaginable

Figuratively Speaking

 Ezekiel tells us the origin of Satan
 This is a common figure in scripture; David is given as an adumbration of the Lord Jesus Christ
 Satan is set before us by Ezekiel as figure of speech and as the king of Tyre
 But before the king of Tyre is the prince of Tyre
 (Ezekiel, verses 1-10) is a picture of anti-Christ
 (Ezekiel, verse 1 and 2): this is humanism carried to the nth degree; the sin of man ultimately leads to the man of sin
 Paul sets Satan before us in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 as one who demands worship of man and is worshipped by man
 (Revelation 13) puts his image in the temple and he is worshipped, in fact, he??s the only one worshipped in that day
 (Ezekiel verse 3), ?wiser than Daniel?. This man, this king of Tyre, is no fool
 (Ezekiel verse 4): he controlled the money market of the world
 (Ezekiel verse 5): They were so smart and were such shrewd businessmen, it had made them PROUD. That??s the picture that??s given to us, Pride
 (Ezekiel verse 6): ?hath set your heart as the heart of God?
 These first ten verses are a picture of the anti-Christ given to us in the Old Testament and develop in the New Testament in which all opposition to God gathers around to worship
 Ezekiel now moves on here from the prince to the king of Tyre

Satans?? Creation

 (Ezekiel verse 12): Lamentation denotes great sorrow in Old Testament. It was the beating of breasts, the wailing and shedding of tears. A lamentation denotes terrible grief
 So we are to take up a lamentation to Satan and there are two things that are said about him, two things that are certainly unlike any mental picture, or any other picture for that matter, that we have about him today
 Most of what men believe today about Satan comes from Milton, who was so wrapped up in mythology that its hard to distinguish when he??s quoting scripture or Greek mythology; Dante, Gerde - that doleful German - and is so perverted, mischaracterized and convoluted that it is obvious they never even made an attempt at any research of Satan because none of that is found anywhere in the Word of God
 (Ezekiel verse 12): ?sealest up the sum, full of wisdom... is the first thing that is said about him
 (Ezekiel verse 12): No creature has more wisdom and therefore, no creature can match Satan. No man can outsmart the devil. Some say, ??The devil made me do it?. Maybe, but probably not because he really has no time for us today. I don??t think Satan spends much time on anyone that does not regularly study the Word of God, because the Bible is the only way God speaks to man today. God does not speak to man today in dreams or in visions; only through the Bible. So if Satan can keep us so busy in our carnal lives that we don??t really have time for study, or time to listen to God, then Satans?? mission is accomplished. We will take sin from there and literally wreck our lives all by ourselves. The old saying goes, ??we only have ourselves to blame?. After Satan is done fooling us into doing something evil we find that he??s gone, you see! (I personally feel that he??s not gone at that point, he has indwelled the unbeliever, and therefore the unbeliever can??t find him, as they have, at that time, become the embodiment of him! And that embodiment would be overwhelming and all consuming if Christ did not intervene. So the unbeliever will say he does not exist. Now that is only a personal feeling that I cannot verify in scripture, but it sure rings true!)
 (Ezekiel verse 12): Satan is perfect/complete in beauty. He is the most beautiful thing that God ever made!
 This is so contrary to the worlds?? vision of him today. Man presents Satan as ugly, but he is the most beautiful creature ever made! He is an angel of light?complete in beauty
 (Ezekiel verse 13): this is not the vegetative Eden of Adam, but rather, the Precious Stone Garden of God. Apparently, God has his own Garden of Eden made out of these precious stones
 Satan is MADE out of precious stone, every precious stone was his covering, notice his splendor, a thing of beauty
 (Exodus 28:15) These stones appear in the breastplates of the high priests and in the New Jerusalem in (Revelation 21), which becomes the new habitation of the church
 Satan had these same stones because he was in the presence of God
 Only three places in the bible are these stones mentioned ?? and one is in connection with Satan and his creation
 Dante, Gerde and Milton are out the window with that

Beautiful People

 (2 Corinthians 11:13): Paul says Satans?? ministers appear as ministers of righteousness, that is, angels of light. They are also ??beautiful? people.
 Satan: able to deceive because he is so attractive
 Satan always puts on a good show to appeal to man
 (Ezekiel verse 13): ??pipes, tabrets??Satan was a pipe organ, a living musical instrument
 Some say when the devil was cast out of heaven he fell into the choir loft! Music is his forte; that is who he is, that is what he does! He is the greatest musician of all. Listen to some of todays music and its easy to identify that he??s the writer of most of it
 Satan is CREATED and he was the greatest creature that God had ever created
 Now that word was repeated purposely
 (Ezekiel verse 15): ?thou was created?. Satan was created; he is not God. He is the god of this age, but he is a creation. He will never be greater than God
 (Drop back to Verse 14): ?anointed cherub that covereth?. This means, ??belonging to one of the higher orders of creation? Literally, a protector of the throne of God itself. That creature probably had unprecedented access to Gods?? government and dominion, more than any other creature has ever had
 (Ezekiel verse 14): holy mountain of God = Gods?? government; and he ?walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire?
 (Ezekiel verse 15): it says he was complete. None of us can say we are complete. We all have some inadequacy, need or frustration
 (verse 15): Here is the most amazing statement of all: Satan was complete until iniquity was found in him

What Went Wrong

 So then the question here is: What did he do wrong; what happened?
 (Ezekiel verse 16): Sin is labeled
 Apparently he lost this high position at the very beginning. Judgement has been pronounced, but only to a limited degree. From the stones of fire, he has been removed today. Satan has been removed from the mountain of God, that is, the government of God today. This story apparently covers millions of years. God, as believers believe, is working out some great purpose today and so, from the stones of fire to the lake of fire, this is a most intriguing career of this individual which should be pursued at a later time
 (Ezekiel verse 18): Sin originated in heaven. Sin did not begin on this earth
 There are continuous statements of fire connected with this creature and his judgement
 We live in a universe today that is a consuming fire; a raging furnace. The subject really is remarkable. The sun releases enough hydrogen to explode the earth multiple times, each second! Further, our little sun is nothing compared to some of the great galaxies that are being discovered today. And beyond that are more galaxies that are built like little atoms that revolve around a center and they??re all filled with fire! It is quite interesting to examine the connection with this creature, and that his judgement is such

Satans?? Sin Specifically

 Turn to a passage that labels his sin very definitely
 (Isaiah 14:12): When iniquity was found in him, he was deposed; put out of heaven. Lucifer: The DayStar! Light shining in the light! The Shining One! Lucifer is in the garden in Ezekiel 28 and in the Garden of Eden when the serpent came to man in Genesis. Son of the Morning: designation of the angels
 Sin: anything that is contrary to the will of God is sin
 Satan did not try to get rid of God, rather, to set up a separate kingdom without God
 (Isaiah 14:13): Satan says he is going to take that which he would like to have, that he will ??take? heaven. He says he wants a position that is higher than what God gave him. Further, he says that he wants a position in which he won??t be subject to authority. He says he will put his throne up higher than any creation of God (and at that time man is not yet created; he is a much later creation). At this time he intended to put his throne above all of Gods?? created intelligences. It is likely that Satan had power and charge over these at the time, and he says he doesn??t intend to report to headquarters, he intended to run the show his way and his way only! He must have felt very capable of doing it and we have every reason to believe he thought that he could
 Notice that Satan has put out three ??I Will??s? so far here
 ??I Will? number three: I will sit also upon the congregation in the sides of the north
 (Isaiah 14:14): ??I Will? number four: ?ascend above the heights of the clouds?. This means the clouds of Glory. Satan certainly is ambitious, is he not?
 (Isaiah 14:14): And he says finally: ??I Will be like the most High?. That certainly is a great revelation from Satan
 Satan is not on skid row; he??s not in prison. He??s interested in culture and refinement. He is interested in religion. He??s not interested in the deep immorality of today because that crowd already belongs to him! And my opinion is that his place of employment is in the church! He is where the Word of God is taught today because that??s the only place he can be defeated. He wants to be like God. This is the thing that is his sin and he felt that he could achieve it. And that? is the definition of pride
 (1Timothy 3:6): With pride you will fall into the condemnation of the devil. Pride is the one sin that is mentioned more than any other is; and yet, it is the one sin that does not pass as sin today
 Pride is referred to as the Lord of Humankind
 Ruskin says: ??I have been more and more convinced, the more I think of it, that, in general, pride is the bottom of all mistakes. All other passions do occasional good; but whenever pride puts in its word, everything goes terribly wrong, and what might genuinely be desirable to do quietly and innocently, it becomes morally dangerous to do proudly?. It colors everything in our life. That is man today
 It is most interesting to follow this sin of Satan as the human race comes on the scene. You find that the temptation of Adam and Eve were along this line: ??Satan said to them, you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil?. Same area in which he fell. And when he says to Christ, ??If thou will fall down and worship me??he reveals and betrays his desire!
 (2 Thessalonians 2) is where Paul says ??the sin of man is the masterpiece of Satan?

Lucifers?? Dirty Laundry

 (Zechariah 3:1-4): What a picture of false religion. The High Priest clothed with a dirty garment. The garment of religion; a Satan-made religion. That garment is taken away and God says He will provide a clean garment. What is that garment?
 Satan is labeled by the Lord as a murderer and liar from the very beginning, (see John 8:44)
 Satan is put out of heaven when he sets his will against Gods will
 (Revelation 12): It??s believed he took one third of the angels when he left heaven. They had a free will, choice and they probably thought he would be successful. This conflict between light and darkness, this spiritual warfare, continues today and will continue until Gods?? purpose is accomplished, and one should not purport to know what or when that might be because we do not know, except that it will be to His Glory and Honor
 (2 Corinthians 4:3-4): Satan today is the god of this age. He goes up and down seeking whom he may devour. There is but one way to escape Satan, and that is through the gospel. The Bible is the only place Satan is concerned with blurring things, or distorting or harming it, is at that particular place where you comprehend it. He??s done a very good job, by the way, at cutting off the one place of escape man has today
 Imagine a prison. It has a great wall. There is only one entrance and one exit. Where would you put the guard? Well, give Satan credit for being as smart as you. He is not concerned with your success. He doesn??t care about your religion. He??ll help you be religious. He wants you to think that by your goodness you??re a little god, and that everything will be okay. That somehow or another, your going to work this thing out on your own. And that it is a terrible thing to say that men are lost today. I would say he is doing a most successful job of blinding man at the one place he can obtain deliverance ?? through the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. That??s the only way; to come to and accept the Savior that died for you
 Satan says to you through the world: ??your okay, your smart, your clever, you??re a good citizen, you really don??t need this stuff, your alright, you don??t need Him
 The Bible says you must come to Christ, and Satan is concerned with one thing?hiding that single truth from YOU!

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juggalo420
01-10-2005, 01:43 AM
satan isnt real, god isnt real, thats just my opinion.

Belleza
01-10-2005, 06:37 AM
No. and if he is i'll pass him a joint, i'm sure he's not that bad. lol

F L E S H
01-10-2005, 08:16 AM
History

 The city of Tyre has a peninsula going out to it that was built by Alexander the Great out of the ruins of ancient Tyre, which Nebuchadnazzer had destroyed
 Tyre was one of the great sea powers of the ancient world
 This was Satans Headquarters at one time; his capitol was there at ancient Tyre
 Tyre was one of the most prominent and prosperous cities in the pagan world at that time
 They penetrated further with the Phoenician fleet than any other fleet in ancient times
 An extremely flourishing and influential city; imported commerce from all over the world; Mammon had been the god of ancient Tyre; business was glorified; sex was a religion and worshipped; Jezebel came from there, her father was a High Priest in the temple of Baal; materialism was the way of life
 It was this city against which Ezekiel took up a Lamentation; against the prince and king of Tyre
 In this wonderful history we are given the knowledge, the wisdom of the true creation of the highest being God ever created, Lucifer, Son of the Morning (Day Star)
*Bullshit alert goes off*

Yes, Tyre was a major city. Yes, Alexander the Great laid a very famous siege to the city. Sex SHOULD be worshipped by all, it's not a bad thing, so even if they DID worship sex, which is doubtful, there's nothing wrong there. Materialism was the way of life no more than it is the way of life in the Western world today. They were a rich merchant city, think New York, 1000 B.C. ummm, Satan does NOT come from Tyre, no matter what the Bible says.

Sheesh, it seems people don't want to understand this, despite the fact that I've written all over the forums... The Bible is NOT a historical document, nor was it ever meant to be. The stories recorded in it are not to be used as historical facts, they are to be considered and thought about by one who seeks wisdom, not History. Please, ask any scholar, archaeologist, historian, no one of good reputation uses the bible as a primary source of historical fact. No one outside the realm of religion, that is....

mr chinnery
01-10-2005, 02:34 PM
The whole argument hinges on "This was Satans Headquarters at one time; his capitol was there at ancient Tyre". Who say? You say? Well I think Satan's headquarters at this time was just outside Wolverhampton. What a load of shit!

F L E S H
01-10-2005, 04:11 PM
I always thought Satan was from New Jersey...

Euphoric
01-11-2005, 07:20 PM
i wonder if Pan god of the underworld (greek) and Satan are one in the same? it doesnt seem like it but some sources say the concept of satan stemmed from pan. i dunno.
u know in the bible what exactly does satan do thats so bad exactly? cause i see god smiting people left and right satan's not killing anybody or torturing anyone but god is :confused:

SatanicSmoker
01-12-2005, 04:45 AM
I always thought Satan was from New Jersey...

The biblical Satan would probably be in Jersey. ;)

I don't believe in a Satan or God, or any sort of higher power.

I am a Satanist, but i use the character satan as a role model. Satan represents (wo)man's carnal/natural instincts. (To Modern Satanists anyway.)

larry
01-12-2005, 04:48 AM
Satan represents man instincts? Are you stupid?

willow
01-12-2005, 04:53 AM
He's from Trenton New Jersey to be exact.

SatanicSmoker
01-12-2005, 05:38 AM
Satan represents man instincts? Are you stupid?


What has christianity taught us? We are wrong.

Lust is wrong.
Envy is wrong.
Hate is wrong.
Gluttony is wrong.
Sloth is wrong.

These are all things that come naturally to a person, no?

We shouldn't have to believe these things are wrong, or feel guilty doing what makes us feel good.

Belleza
01-12-2005, 05:50 AM
[QUOTE]We shouldn't have to believe these things are wrong, or feel guilty doing what makes us feel good.


right on. i totally agree, i hate that shit...feeling wrong.

SatanicStonerMonky
01-13-2005, 04:21 PM
Satan represents man instincts? Are you stupid?
According to the Christian Bible, "Satan" represents all that is "bad and evil." The seven deadly sins are all human nature. They are all instictive and come naturally to us. Since Christianity deems these are "bad and evil," then they are attributed to "Satan". Since they are atributed to "Satan", that is what "Satan" represents. 90% of our actions and our thoughts are deemed sinful by Christianity. Every time you think about touching you bf or gf you are commiting a sin that will damn you te Hell according to the Christian religion. Every time you eat more than you need to survive you are commiting a sin that will damn you to eternal torment according to Christianity. Every time you want to attain something that you cant get, you are commiting a horrible sin against God according to Christianity. All things that come naturally to us as humans, is deemed to be sinful by Christianity and therefore the work of "Satan".

Now, Im sure you noticed every time I write "Satan" I use "". The reason why I do that is because many millions of people honestly believe that "Satan" is the name of the devil, or at least one of his many names. The truth is, "Satan" was a title bestowed upon Lucifer (the angel of light) when he rose against God and was cast down into the depths of Hell. Every time the word satan is mentioned in the Bible, it is reffering to something that is standing in the way of either Jesus, God or some sort of holy crusade. It is never used as a name, but is commonly misconstrued as a name and misused as a name.

If you have any more questions about "Satan", God, the Bible, or Satanism, just ask ([email protected]). I know more about these subjects than most.

mr chinnery
01-13-2005, 10:43 PM
"They are all instictive and come naturally to us"

Well, thanks for clearing up the whole nature vs nurture debate there...

bruiser
01-30-2005, 10:01 PM
Satan is real he lives in the hearts of man! believe it or not he is everywhere! just look around ya man.or look into myour own heart youl'l find him.

juggalo420
01-31-2005, 04:17 PM
Satan is real he lives in the hearts of man! believe it or not he is everywhere! just look around ya man.or look into myour own heart youl'l find him.
satan's a scapegoat for mans own animal instincts. we'd rather blame a mythological figure for all the hate and violence in the world and within every person than face up to the fact were the source of the evil in the world.

bruiser
02-01-2005, 06:12 PM
satan's a scapegoat for mans own animal instincts. we'd rather blame a mythological figure for all the hate and violence in the world and within every person than face up to the fact were the source of the evil in the world.


if we were living off our animal instincts as you say we would probably be close to perfect,after allk the animals compared to us seem to be totallky inline with order but humans out of billions of species of creatures on earth are the only ones out of wack!..if we were like the animals we would be insink with our world!

juggalo420
02-01-2005, 07:32 PM
^mans an animal which tries its hardest to distance it self from other animals, we try to do this by making up myths about gods, which attemps to justify mans sense of supperiority.

any way animals are violent, ants go to war with other ant colonies, differnt dogs fight with eachother, all animals fight and get violent.

NCarolina420
02-08-2005, 01:29 AM
If there is no God then please explain to me the moral sense within us that every human being is born with...there is no other logical explanation for the Earth being here today except by chance or by Creation...every philosophy for chance has been disproven yet the Bible has not..it covers every detail in life possible...there is a God and there is Satan...why live this life thinking that once you die there is nothing else? Your Judgement day is coming.

Euphoric
02-08-2005, 01:35 AM
If there is no God then please explain to me the moral sense within us that every human being is born with...there is no other logical explanation for the Earth being here today except by chance or by Creation...every philosophy for chance has been disproven yet the Bible has not..it covers every detail in life possible...there is a God and there is Satan...why live this life thinking that once you die there is nothing else? Your Judgement day is coming.

i mean no disrespect to you personally ncarolina, but

hahahahahahahahahahaha

the simple fact is that we could have no civilization or even a social network such as cannabis.com without some ethics. its not limited to humans, either. dolphins, lions, hyenas ect. work together in groups to accomplish things. do animals believe in god?

StarcommanderX
02-08-2005, 04:23 AM
satan is very much real. ask him to reveal himself to you. i dont advise it, but do what you like.

Euphoric
02-12-2005, 12:26 PM
satan is very much real. ask him to reveal himself to you. i dont advise it, but do what you like.

hmm..have you ever tried asking satan to reveal himself to you???

i had a weird experience recently that made me double-think the existance of a literal satan....but im probably just insane. happens all the time on drugs :)

HughESan
02-13-2005, 01:54 AM
Hey, Hey, Satan is probably real, you know why!?!?! Cuz god can eat a penis, not like there is such a thing...

NowhereMan
02-13-2005, 07:05 AM
now i sit me down in need,
of a lil more time
spent loving some weed
looking up towards the heavens,
i cant see very far
is that the light of the moon,
or some new kind of bar

as my head is unwinding
after only a few tokes
i read something
'bout god
want some of
what he smokes




peace

XTC
02-13-2005, 11:08 AM
If there is no God then please explain to me the moral sense within us that every human being is born with...there is no other logical explanation for the Earth being here today except by chance or by Creation...every philosophy for chance has been disproven yet the Bible has not..it covers every detail in life possible...there is a God and there is Satan...why live this life thinking that once you die there is nothing else? Your Judgement day is coming.


I believe in God and all, but the theory of God has no proof, except for Fate. And I think God made it like that, leave no traces of him or Christ just you faith. And Evoultion is nothing more than a theory. No one knows for a fact where we came from.

Looker
02-15-2005, 06:06 PM
HELLO ALL THIS IS SATAN I AM A JEWISH LAWYER LIVING IN PASSAIC NEW JERSEY

Euphoric
02-15-2005, 07:28 PM
HELLO ALL THIS IS SATAN I AM A JEWISH LAWYER LIVING IN PASSAIC NEW JERSEY

whoa..hi.. :eek:

Mexico Max
02-19-2005, 01:31 AM
Satan's current headquarters is in Redmond, Washington.

SuburbanLife224
02-19-2005, 03:34 AM
Angels with Dirty Faces (Ezekiel 28)


This title sounds facetious, but this is one of the most solemn messages that is available today

History

 The city of Tyre has a peninsula going out to it that was built by Alexander the Great out of the ruins of ancient Tyre, which Nebuchadnazzer had destroyed
 Tyre was one of the great sea powers of the ancient world
 This was Satans Headquarters at one time; his capitol was there at ancient Tyre
 Tyre was one of the most prominent and prosperous cities in the pagan world at that time
 They penetrated further with the Phoenician fleet than any other fleet in ancient times
 An extremely flourishing and influential city; imported commerce from all over the world; Mammon had been the god of ancient Tyre; business was glorified; sex was a religion and worshipped; Jezebel came from there, her father was a High Priest in the temple of Baal; materialism was the way of life
 It was this city against which Ezekiel took up a Lamentation; against the prince and king of Tyre
 In this wonderful history we are given the knowledge, the wisdom of the true creation of the highest being God ever created, Lucifer, Son of the Morning (Day Star)

The Angel Lucifer

 One must bare in mind that Satan is an angel, the most mighty of all the angelic host
 He may be limited in earthly territory today, according to scripture, but his demonic power and dominion are NOT limited so far on this earth
 More is said concerning him in scripture than of any of the other angels
 But in spite of this fact, the world today has a gross misconception of Satan, his purpose and his mission
 Whitaker Chambers (Whitaker Chambers came out of communism, interestingly enough) was editor of Life Magazine a long time ago. He wrote an article on the devil that went something like this: ??When the Age of Reason Began, [Satan] went underground, his strategy is to make men think he doesn??t even exist, and although theologians are now discovering him anew, he never had it so good! Throughout most of Christian history, the devil was real and personal, and never far from the minds of men. Today, he has retreated into the realm of a myth, and a joke to most people. Recently, however, philosophers have seen him roaming the earth and have identified him as the same old Prince of Evil?? and he goes on to name some prominent philosophers of the day that apparently agree and then to describe a party at which the devil was worshipped?
 So we live in a day in which this angel, the devil, has accomplished an unbelievable trick, he has unbelievers believing he doesn??t even exist!
 Satan wants to be the opposite of what men think he is; he wants to be like God, not necessarily opposed to God and certainly not different from Him
 So it is no wonder that Satan is the greatest promoter of religion imaginable

Figuratively Speaking

 Ezekiel tells us the origin of Satan
 This is a common figure in scripture; David is given as an adumbration of the Lord Jesus Christ
 Satan is set before us by Ezekiel as figure of speech and as the king of Tyre
 But before the king of Tyre is the prince of Tyre
 (Ezekiel, verses 1-10) is a picture of anti-Christ
 (Ezekiel, verse 1 and 2): this is humanism carried to the nth degree; the sin of man ultimately leads to the man of sin
 Paul sets Satan before us in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 as one who demands worship of man and is worshipped by man
 (Revelation 13) puts his image in the temple and he is worshipped, in fact, he??s the only one worshipped in that day
 (Ezekiel verse 3), ?wiser than Daniel?. This man, this king of Tyre, is no fool
 (Ezekiel verse 4): he controlled the money market of the world
 (Ezekiel verse 5): They were so smart and were such shrewd businessmen, it had made them PROUD. That??s the picture that??s given to us, Pride
 (Ezekiel verse 6): ?hath set your heart as the heart of God?
 These first ten verses are a picture of the anti-Christ given to us in the Old Testament and develop in the New Testament in which all opposition to God gathers around to worship
 Ezekiel now moves on here from the prince to the king of Tyre

Satans?? Creation

 (Ezekiel verse 12): Lamentation denotes great sorrow in Old Testament. It was the beating of breasts, the wailing and shedding of tears. A lamentation denotes terrible grief
 So we are to take up a lamentation to Satan and there are two things that are said about him, two things that are certainly unlike any mental picture, or any other picture for that matter, that we have about him today
 Most of what men believe today about Satan comes from Milton, who was so wrapped up in mythology that its hard to distinguish when he??s quoting scripture or Greek mythology; Dante, Gerde - that doleful German - and is so perverted, mischaracterized and convoluted that it is obvious they never even made an attempt at any research of Satan because none of that is found anywhere in the Word of God
 (Ezekiel verse 12): ?sealest up the sum, full of wisdom... is the first thing that is said about him
 (Ezekiel verse 12): No creature has more wisdom and therefore, no creature can match Satan. No man can outsmart the devil. Some say, ??The devil made me do it?. Maybe, but probably not because he really has no time for us today. I don??t think Satan spends much time on anyone that does not regularly study the Word of God, because the Bible is the only way God speaks to man today. God does not speak to man today in dreams or in visions; only through the Bible. So if Satan can keep us so busy in our carnal lives that we don??t really have time for study, or time to listen to God, then Satans?? mission is accomplished. We will take sin from there and literally wreck our lives all by ourselves. The old saying goes, ??we only have ourselves to blame?. After Satan is done fooling us into doing something evil we find that he??s gone, you see! (I personally feel that he??s not gone at that point, he has indwelled the unbeliever, and therefore the unbeliever can??t find him, as they have, at that time, become the embodiment of him! And that embodiment would be overwhelming and all consuming if Christ did not intervene. So the unbeliever will say he does not exist. Now that is only a personal feeling that I cannot verify in scripture, but it sure rings true!)
 (Ezekiel verse 12): Satan is perfect/complete in beauty. He is the most beautiful thing that God ever made!
 This is so contrary to the worlds?? vision of him today. Man presents Satan as ugly, but he is the most beautiful creature ever made! He is an angel of light?complete in beauty
 (Ezekiel verse 13): this is not the vegetative Eden of Adam, but rather, the Precious Stone Garden of God. Apparently, God has his own Garden of Eden made out of these precious stones
 Satan is MADE out of precious stone, every precious stone was his covering, notice his splendor, a thing of beauty
 (Exodus 28:15) These stones appear in the breastplates of the high priests and in the New Jerusalem in (Revelation 21), which becomes the new habitation of the church
 Satan had these same stones because he was in the presence of God
 Only three places in the bible are these stones mentioned ?? and one is in connection with Satan and his creation
 Dante, Gerde and Milton are out the window with that

Beautiful People

 (2 Corinthians 11:13): Paul says Satans?? ministers appear as ministers of righteousness, that is, angels of light. They are also ??beautiful? people.
 Satan: able to deceive because he is so attractive
 Satan always puts on a good show to appeal to man
 (Ezekiel verse 13): ??pipes, tabrets??Satan was a pipe organ, a living musical instrument
 Some say when the devil was cast out of heaven he fell into the choir loft! Music is his forte; that is who he is, that is what he does! He is the greatest musician of all. Listen to some of todays music and its easy to identify that he??s the writer of most of it
 Satan is CREATED and he was the greatest creature that God had ever created
 Now that word was repeated purposely
 (Ezekiel verse 15): ?thou was created?. Satan was created; he is not God. He is the god of this age, but he is a creation. He will never be greater than God
 (Drop back to Verse 14): ?anointed cherub that covereth?. This means, ??belonging to one of the higher orders of creation? Literally, a protector of the throne of God itself. That creature probably had unprecedented access to Gods?? government and dominion, more than any other creature has ever had
 (Ezekiel verse 14): holy mountain of God = Gods?? government; and he ?walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire?
 (Ezekiel verse 15): it says he was complete. None of us can say we are complete. We all have some inadequacy, need or frustration
 (verse 15): Here is the most amazing statement of all: Satan was complete until iniquity was found in him

What Went Wrong

 So then the question here is: What did he do wrong; what happened?
 (Ezekiel verse 16): Sin is labeled
 Apparently he lost this high position at the very beginning. Judgement has been pronounced, but only to a limited degree. From the stones of fire, he has been removed today. Satan has been removed from the mountain of God, that is, the government of God today. This story apparently covers millions of years. God, as believers believe, is working out some great purpose today and so, from the stones of fire to the lake of fire, this is a most intriguing career of this individual which should be pursued at a later time
 (Ezekiel verse 18): Sin originated in heaven. Sin did not begin on this earth
 There are continuous statements of fire connected with this creature and his judgement
 We live in a universe today that is a consuming fire; a raging furnace. The subject really is remarkable. The sun releases enough hydrogen to explode the earth multiple times, each second! Further, our little sun is nothing compared to some of the great galaxies that are being discovered today. And beyond that are more galaxies that are built like little atoms that revolve around a center and they??re all filled with fire! It is quite interesting to examine the connection with this creature, and that his judgement is such

Satans?? Sin Specifically

 Turn to a passage that labels his sin very definitely
 (Isaiah 14:12): When iniquity was found in him, he was deposed; put out of heaven. Lucifer: The DayStar! Light shining in the light! The Shining One! Lucifer is in the garden in Ezekiel 28 and in the Garden of Eden when the serpent came to man in Genesis. Son of the Morning: designation of the angels
 Sin: anything that is contrary to the will of God is sin
 Satan did not try to get rid of God, rather, to set up a separate kingdom without God
 (Isaiah 14:13): Satan says he is going to take that which he would like to have, that he will ??take? heaven. He says he wants a position that is higher than what God gave him. Further, he says that he wants a position in which he won??t be subject to authority. He says he will put his throne up higher than any creation of God (and at that time man is not yet created; he is a much later creation). At this time he intended to put his throne above all of Gods?? created intelligences. It is likely that Satan had power and charge over these at the time, and he says he doesn??t intend to report to headquarters, he intended to run the show his way and his way only! He must have felt very capable of doing it and we have every reason to believe he thought that he could
 Notice that Satan has put out three ??I Will??s? so far here
 ??I Will? number three: I will sit also upon the congregation in the sides of the north
 (Isaiah 14:14): ??I Will? number four: ?ascend above the heights of the clouds?. This means the clouds of Glory. Satan certainly is ambitious, is he not?
 (Isaiah 14:14): And he says finally: ??I Will be like the most High?. That certainly is a great revelation from Satan
 Satan is not on skid row; he??s not in prison. He??s interested in culture and refinement. He is interested in religion. He??s not interested in the deep immorality of today because that crowd already belongs to him! And my opinion is that his place of employment is in the church! He is where the Word of God is taught today because that??s the only place he can be defeated. He wants to be like God. This is the thing that is his sin and he felt that he could achieve it. And that? is the definition of pride
 (1Timothy 3:6): With pride you will fall into the condemnation of the devil. Pride is the one sin that is mentioned more than any other is; and yet, it is the one sin that does not pass as sin today
 Pride is referred to as the Lord of Humankind
 Ruskin says: ??I have been more and more convinced, the more I think of it, that, in general, pride is the bottom of all mistakes. All other passions do occasional good; but whenever pride puts in its word, everything goes terribly wrong, and what might genuinely be desirable to do quietly and innocently, it becomes morally dangerous to do proudly?. It colors everything in our life. That is man today
 It is most interesting to follow this sin of Satan as the human race comes on the scene. You find that the temptation of Adam and Eve were along this line: ??Satan said to them, you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil?. Same area in which he fell. And when he says to Christ, ??If thou will fall down and worship me??he reveals and betrays his desire!
 (2 Thessalonians 2) is where Paul says ??the sin of man is the masterpiece of Satan?

Lucifers?? Dirty Laundry

 (Zechariah 3:1-4): What a picture of false religion. The High Priest clothed with a dirty garment. The garment of religion; a Satan-made religion. That garment is taken away and God says He will provide a clean garment. What is that garment?
 Satan is labeled by the Lord as a murderer and liar from the very beginning, (see John 8:44)
 Satan is put out of heaven when he sets his will against Gods will
 (Revelation 12): It??s believed he took one third of the angels when he left heaven. They had a free will, choice and they probably thought he would be successful. This conflict between light and darkness, this spiritual warfare, continues today and will continue until Gods?? purpose is accomplished, and one should not purport to know what or when that might be because we do not know, except that it will be to His Glory and Honor
 (2 Corinthians 4:3-4): Satan today is the god of this age. He goes up and down seeking whom he may devour. There is but one way to escape Satan, and that is through the gospel. The Bible is the only place Satan is concerned with blurring things, or distorting or harming it, is at that particular place where you comprehend it. He??s done a very good job, by the way, at cutting off the one place of escape man has today
 Imagine a prison. It has a great wall. There is only one entrance and one exit. Where would you put the guard? Well, give Satan credit for being as smart as you. He is not concerned with your success. He doesn??t care about your religion. He??ll help you be religious. He wants you to think that by your goodness you??re a little god, and that everything will be okay. That somehow or another, your going to work this thing out on your own. And that it is a terrible thing to say that men are lost today. I would say he is doing a most successful job of blinding man at the one place he can obtain deliverance ?? through the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. That??s the only way; to come to and accept the Savior that died for you
 Satan says to you through the world: ??your okay, your smart, your clever, you??re a good citizen, you really don??t need this stuff, your alright, you don??t need Him
 The Bible says you must come to Christ, and Satan is concerned with one thing?hiding that single truth from YOU!

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Take away the ability to question. Is SATAN Real? SATAN IS REAL

GHoSToKeR
02-22-2005, 04:03 AM
i wonder if Pan god of the underworld (greek) and Satan are one in the same? it doesnt seem like it but some sources say the concept of satan stemmed from pan. i dunno.
u know in the bible what exactly does satan do thats so bad exactly? cause i see god smiting people left and right satan's not killing anybody or torturing anyone but god is :confused:
awesome point. even today god gets praised for all the good, and satan gets cursed for all the bad.. but if you ask why god didnt stop the bad from happening, they say that he doesnt involve himself in earthly shit. so dont praise him for the good.

"Sex SHOULD be worshipped by all, it's not a bad thing, so even if they DID worship sex"

a-fucking-men. Nature is the real 'god'

GHoSToKeR
02-22-2005, 04:07 AM
"What has christianity taught us? We are wrong.

Lust is wrong.
Envy is wrong.
Hate is wrong.
Gluttony is wrong.
Sloth is wrong.

These are all things that come naturally to a person, no?

We shouldn't have to believe these things are wrong, or feel guilty doing what makes us feel good"

RIGHT ON!!!

"satan's a scapegoat for mans own animal instincts. we'd rather blame a mythological figure for all the hate and violence in the world and within every person than face up to the fact were the source of the evil in the world."

yup

"^mans an animal which tries its hardest to distance it self from other animals, we try to do this by making up myths about gods, which attemps to justify mans sense of supperiority. "

hell yes

mrdevious
02-25-2005, 06:48 AM
If there is no God then please explain to me the moral sense within us that every human being is born with...there is no other logical explanation for the Earth being here today except by chance or by Creation...every philosophy for chance has been disproven yet the Bible has not..it covers every detail in life possible...there is a God and there is Satan...why live this life thinking that once you die there is nothing else? Your Judgement day is coming.


See this is why I've recently lost faith in the existence of a god. everybody bases the "proof" of god on "well it can't be explained so that means god did it". so we can't explain where the earth came from, or the universe, or the 3 nickles I found under my couch, so what? there was a time when we couldn't explain how the moon orbited around the earth, or what the stars were, that doesn't mean god is moving them around, because we eventually figured the science of it out. and just because we currently can't explain the origin and such-and-such, doesn't mean the credit goes to god by default.

GHoSToKeR
02-25-2005, 07:57 AM
See this is why I've recently lost faith in the existence of a god. everybody bases the "proof" of god on "well it can't be explained so that means god did it". so we can't explain where the earth came from, or the universe, or the 3 nickles I found under my couch, so what? there was a time when we couldn't explain how the moon orbited around the earth, or what the stars were, that doesn't mean god is moving them around, because we eventually figured the science of it out. and just because we currently can't explain the origin and such-and-such, doesn't mean the credit goes to god by default.
right on! "God" is man's way of explaining the unexplained. When the unexplained becomes becomes explainable, man simply finds something else to praise God for. I feel for mankind. Nothing can ever be proved to not exist: It's impossible. So there will never be conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. The human race may never get out of this rut that we're stuck in, of believing in fairy tales like God and angels and demons, without conclusive proof that God doesnt exist, and even then people would still believe in God. But since nobody will ever be able to prove he doesnt exist, then we're screwed. Apparantly a lack of conclusive proof that he doesnt exist is proof that he exists.

mrdevious
02-26-2005, 02:15 AM
Well, it all comes down to human ego really, that we're so important that the greatest being in existence is concerned with us.

on a side note, what always bothered me about the afterlife is, who gets to go? I mean I always though if I get to go to heaven, shouldn't my dog too? he was a really nic spirited dog, very kind hearted. but then where is the line drawn if he can get in? do all the ants, and beetles, and bacteria, and jellyfish go to heaven?

SatanicStonerMonky
03-02-2005, 06:33 PM
Well, it all comes down to human ego really, that we're so important that the greatest being in existence is concerned with us.

on a side note, what always bothered me about the afterlife is, who gets to go? I mean I always though if I get to go to heaven, shouldn't my dog too? he was a really nic spirited dog, very kind hearted. but then where is the line drawn if he can get in? do all the ants, and beetles, and bacteria, and jellyfish go to heaven?
Of course the animals dont get to go to heaven, at least according to Christianity. Simply because of the fact that man commonly believes animals to be too stupid to comprehend religion, or anything else for that matter. If animals cannot comprehend religion, then they cannot be saved.

Personally, I dont believe in heaven or hell. I choose to realize that these things were created by man for man. Heaven is Christianities way of rewarding you for being brain washed, and hell is their punishment for allowing yourself to think and do for yourself.

Religion is the true evil of the world. It is what drives most wars. It is what is behind many murders. Religion is the worst thing man has ever invented. If it wasnt for religion, and oil, America wouldnt have taken over Iraq. If it wasnt for religion, Osama wouldnt have had his men fly fully loaded planes into the world trade center and the pentagon.

Delta9
03-02-2005, 08:54 PM
666

GHoSToKeR
03-03-2005, 12:53 AM
well said, SatanicStonermonkey

Canadabis
03-04-2005, 05:39 AM
So yes satan is real, and its not some angel, or guy with horns, or some metaphore meant to make real in the minds of simple peasants TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO (yes they had to tell fairy tales for poeple to believe things back then)
Tyr was a society built on unhealthy behaviour and ideas perpetuated by the few teh brave the...wealthy. A land of the free no less.

Satan is a direct translation either as teller of lies, or of untruths or something like that (dont remember the exacpt phrase, but thats the idea behind it)
That means lies. Lie-ers. Us. You, me, him, her, these are the manyfold mouths of the great beast beelzebub.
Lies are designed to misdirect poeple, and modify thier desires, thus influencing the focus of their intentions (hmmm keeps on coming back to that huhn...)
The german people didnt want to eradicate jews, they were presented an easy target and fed lies. crystal nacht anyone?

mr chinnery
03-06-2005, 11:34 PM
If there is no God then please explain to me the moral sense within us that every human being is born with...there is no other logical explanation for the Earth being here today except by chance or by Creation...every philosophy for chance has been disproven yet the Bible has not..it covers every detail in life possible...there is a God and there is Satan...why live this life thinking that once you die there is nothing else? Your Judgement day is coming.

The judgement day cometh...eek.

Exactly what moral sense is man born with? When was this proved? We develop a sense of morality when we enter what Piaget called the formal operational period, which co-incides roughly with puberty.

Sometimes it's the folk who know it all who know nothing...

Crow Shindle
03-07-2005, 01:07 AM
A. Is it really necessary to quote the entire original post?

B. Hades = Greek God of the underworld
Pan = God of shepherds and flocks http://www.mythweb.com/gods/other_gods.html

C. God (Definition)
1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
2. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.

D. Satan (Def)
The profoundly evil adversary of God and humanity, often identified with the leader of the fallen angels; the Devil.

In Hebrew = The advesary.

E. Faith is what you believe in. Most Westerners were raised as Christians and know what they were taught (go figure). Words are words, depending on what part of the world you live in those words represent different things.

F. Who gives a shit? Party like its 1999!!!!!