Do you support a war against IRAN?

[Adrenaline Rush]

Plain and simple. With the possibility of a war against IRAN on the horizon, would you support a WAR agaisnt IRAN?

Personally, I backed Bush on the war against IRAQ, regardless whether he was right or wrong. In the end, I realized that maybe it was a mistake, especially the way we left minimal amount of spurratic soldiers throughout the country of Iraq. I truly beleived that the war on Iraq should have been done and over with a long time ago.

Nevertheless, I would back the US in a war against IRAN for the simple fact that they have admitted to producing a nuclear program for other purposes other than military combat.

With all the terror attacks on the UN countries, I would not trust any arab country to sustain a nuclear program regardless as to what it's used for. So I would be for a war against IRAN.

[Markass]

hell fucking no

[NothingMoreThenTruth]

I'm not really support of war, (I just saw "Letters from Iwo Jimi", such a sad movie.) But I really don't know what the situation with Iran is right now, so i can't choose one way or another.

I would like to have a world without war, but everyone is deeply rooted in their own ideals, and will take that to their death.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

[D.Boone]

that wouldnt be smart a war against iran would really make the middle east hate us and i mean all of them this time. not only that we'd really have to start worrying about hezbullah and syria as well and anybody else thats allies with iran which is quite a few countries

[onequestion]

President Ahmadinejad in no way represents the Iranian Government or the people. He is the Iranian version of president Bush and should not be taken seriously. THe Iranian Parliament is full of good people who want nothing to do wiht him and want peace just as much as the rest of us. iran is not a threat.

[FreshNugz]

Nevertheless, I would back the US in a war against IRAN for the simple fact that they have admitted to producing a nuclear program for other purposes other than military combat.

Really..?
Where'd you see this? Not saying you're wrong, simply asking to view it as I'd find it interesting. To date I thought they hadn't said anything but 'it's for peaceful purposes'..


President Ahmadinejad in no way represents the Iranian Government or the people. He is the Iranian version of president Bush and should not be taken seriously. THe Iranian Parliament is full of good people who want nothing to do wiht him and want peace just as much as the rest of us. iran is not a threat.

May I ask how you know this?

Peace.:rastasmoke:

[AtmanWalter]

Hypotheticly what if those facts turn up falseafied like the weapons in iraq?
A war with iran would radicaly tear our troops apart spreading them thinner than I think we want them. Were already sending in National Guard to Iraq
And spearding the people at home completly apart because i can tell you that the supporters of the war and the anti war will just get bitchyer and bitchyer if that happens.
Off topic but i personaly thing Bush and Chenny and their whole little group should be tryed and killed for treason for starting a war on false pretenses. They lied to us plan and simple.

[Zimzum]

Hell no! Amadidawacko has a low approval rating in his country.. He is the Bush of the middle east. The 12th Imam/ Armageddon is not the only way to peace.

[ufo_man]

Make love not war:hippy:

[higher4hockey]

i sure do.

[MajMike]

Let's come up with a plan for Iraq first, or if I'm really feeling cynical I say to myself that war with Iran IS the plan for Iraq (can you say diversion?).

The people of Iran will clean their own house soon, unless we do something stupid to unite them again.

I agree with monitoring their borders to Iraq to prevent their support for the unholy mess there, but I think to attack them would unite the Muslim world against us completely.

Exception: If we KNOW they are making nuclear weapons. Right now, they are only making enriched uranium, which COULD be used for weapons.

[hempotalogist]

Plain and simple. With the possibility of a war against IRAN on the horizon, would you support a WAR agaisnt IRAN

no


Personally, I backed Bush on the war against IRAQ, regardless whether he was right or wrong. In the end, I realized that maybe it was a mistake, especially the way we left minimal amount of spurratic soldiers throughout the country of Iraq. I truly beleived that the war on Iraq should have been done and over with a long time ago.


You don't really understand what's going on over there, I don't think. It was never a good idea to dismantle a sovereign nation, inflated anti-American sentiment, damage the economy, and worst of all, inflate a Civil War (more or less).


Nevertheless, I would back the US in a war against IRAN for the simple fact that they have admitted to producing a nuclear program for other purposes other than military combat.


Why would you go to war with a country because they wish to use nuclear energy OUTSIDE of defense? I simply don't understand your rationale here at all.


With all the terror attacks on the UN countries, I would not trust any arab country to sustain a nuclear program regardless as to what it's used for. So I would be for a war against IRAN.
Yeah that may be true, but you obviously haven't learned anything with this blind monolithic thinking of yours... you know, this whole "lets spread freedom dust on the world" HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

....... um, can someone say dimplomacy?

:rastasmoke:

[texas grass]

no war with iran
for those who dont want a nuclear mid east disarm israel.
remember, the usa assasinated their first democratically elected president and also the USA sold chemical weapons to SADAM
and we are threatening to blow them the up past the stone age and they are surrounded by nuclear weapons
they have every right to have nuclear power because the USA does and israel does
it is their right as humans

[eg420ne]

War with Iran......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....thats what i think about a war with Iraq err i mean Iran

[PharmaCan]

If Israel determines that Iran is on the verge of having nuclear weapons, Israel will handle the problem.

Bush has no credibility - not at home and not internationaly. What person with a scintilla of intelligence would believe anything this administration says.

Even the cool-aid drinkers are now doubting their buffoon in chief.

PC :pimp:

[pwn3dy0]

First, Iran is not an "arab" country. It is persian. Secondly, if we attack Iran be prepared for $9-$10 a gallon gasoline, total economic collapse, the dollar being devalued even more. Before the war in Iraq the dollar was worth about $1.80 in canadian dollars. Now it is virtually even. If we attack Iran it will conservatively be about half the value as the canadian dollar, could be devalued to about 10 cents. Don't worry though, you will still be allowed to sit in your easy chair, wave your slave made american flag, watch foxnews/cnn and feel powerful when you are supporting the globalist puppets (left or right) in office working to destroy this country.

[palerider7777]

only thing i can say to all this is...all this shit has been along time coming. does anybody here trust the usa's goverment?i mean all this war that has started over the last 20 or so years. is it not the us's fault that 9/11 happened.(not saying i was for that)but all the secert goverment bullshit that has gone on. trading/selling our secerts and weapons and anything else thats not bolted down.

and this country was built in god we trust. now it's don't step on anybody elses toes that comes to the us. but lets take god out of it a lil at a time and nobody says anything. but u better not say anything about any other's religion. lets see people here protest when the court orders the death pen for someone thats murdered or raped a kid. i mean this (melting pot of a country)is being looked at by the rest of the world. as a lazy no respect no morals say one thing and do another do what u want type of country.

just to name a few i mean the rest of the world has deep roots in religion. and it's been there for a very long time and they take it very serious. tell me this the people that hate bush as if anyone else has done any better lol. do u mean to tell me u would have rather of had gore or kerry in office when 9/11 went down? do u really think they could have handled it any better? kerry maybe would have done atleast something i think. but gore, lmfao and do u think for real now lets get real here. do u really think that when 9/11 went down and bush said ok lets do what kerry or clinton wanted(not to mention they voted yes to it)(and not to mention that there had to be a vote on it bush does'nt have all the power u people think he has it's a group effect). and we won't goto war.

do u really think that would have been it? that everything would just go away and we would be 110%safe after 9/11? have u not thought that just for our safety that we had no other choice but to goto war. if not for anything else but to keep them off our soil. thats like u see ur kid goto the cookie jar after u told them not to. and then u see them take a cookie but u don't do anything about it. do u think ur kid would say to him/her self well mom/dad did'nt say anything to me ok i won't get another cookie? yea right they would be right back in the jar and faster than the first time.

and what about avenging the thousands that were killed?thats a big slap in the face to the families thats just telling them well the people that died don't matter! i bet if ur kids or wife or mom/dad was in that building i guess it would'nt matter either.or what if u died and left behind 3 kids and a wife?what about them should they not get justice? if thats the case then we need to do away with all the jails and prison's. i mean why should they be punished? at the most there in there for murder. how many could one man kill opposed to what happened on 911. guess what i know of 7 or 8 what ever the # was of guys that killed thousands that was planned by bin laden+ others.

the bottem line is that every body that has half a brain knows we had no choice but to goto war. were it went wrong is like most of the wars we have been in. is it starts out as war and ends up as a police action. and u can't police a war!! thats why so many of our troops are being killed. and the only other thing i can say is the main mistake is. we should have started out going str8 for bin laden not iraq. now it might have ended up there.

but not to start and for the people that say going to iraq was a wrong move cause there were no weapons of mass destruction. well the only thing i can say to that is. just cause u can't find it don't mean it's not there. and i do recall a video or 2 of sadam testing gases on a mass of people. and mass graves of people that it was tested on. is that not a weapon of mass destruction?i wonder what would have happened...red dawn...i wonder?let say u owned a house,apt,small farm whatever the case may be lets look at your home thats yours lets say it's your own lil country what would it take for u to stand up and defend it or do u care enough about u and ur family to defend? say someone caem to ur(home/country) and shot it up bombed it what ever the case how far would u let it go b4 u would defend it? now remember no police to jump in and protect u remember it's ur country what would it take one of ur kids to die maybe 2 hell maybe ur wife?at what point would u stand up to protect it??

[palerider7777]

now that being said pwn3 ur right they are all puppets and it's the dead headed americans that have been brainwashed into submission when they should wake up unite and over throw the WHOLE gov every body in dc well pretty much everyone.it's funny i know the movie stars/ a list people madonna pretty much all the bands all those type people that preach save the world from global warming type people it's fun i saw on t.v a concert to raise money or something to help make aware the threat of it.can these people be any more fake?? here they are preaching all this bs meanwhile just the money per month that it takes to mantain all there houses/yachts/jets/ would be enough to feed a large not small but large village.and people look at them as if they know all about it(i see the word puppet again for sum reason in my head when i think of it

[MagicalHerb]

honestly, i think you have to be a fucking blockhead to want another war in this world. theres always a better way then war.

[Jah420]

No leave them the fuck alone

[FreshNugz]

no war with iran
for those who dont want a nuclear mid east disarm israel.
remember, the usa assasinated their first democratically elected president and also the USA sold chemical weapons to SADAM
and we are threatening to blow them the up past the stone age and they are surrounded by nuclear weapons
they have every right to have nuclear power because the USA does and israel does
it is their right as humans

Since when are nuclear weapons a human right?? That's ridiculous dude, sorry.

If we can't even protect basic rights like free speech or rights against discrimination, or the right to peaceful protest...i really don't think we should be naming possession of nuclear arms a "right".

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Well yeah, that's just silly to say nuclear arms are "their right as humans". But, I do agree that it's rediculously hypocritical to have a massive stockpile of nuclear weapons then say to the other guys "how dare you have nuclear weapons! we'll go to war over this!". They're saying they have a pretext for war because the enemy is doing exactly what US and Israel are already doing.

Now I certainly don't want Iran having nuclear weapons, I'd just prefere it if everybody else would do away with at least most of their nukes. You can't piss in somebody's face and at the same time demand their respect.

[PharmaCan]

About the only thing that kept the USA and the Soviet Union from lobbing nukes at each other was the threat of mutual destruction.

Does anyone really think Amadinajad (sp?) really cares if the whole world gets nuked back to the stone age? Hell, he has wet dreams about that happening. He would welcome it.

[Psycho4Bud]

Does anyone really think Amadinajad (sp?) really cares if the whole world gets nuked back to the stone age? Hell, he has wet dreams about that happening. He would welcome it.

Which is why Iran CANNOT be allowed to aquire them.

Have a good one!:s4:

[the image reaper]

when the planes flew into the World Trade Center, my first thoughts were : "destroy Afghanistan, Iran, and Syria, in that order ... but, all at the same time works for me, too" ... but, Iraq ? ... nope, didn't quite see the wisdom in that one, but, I don't have access to all that great CIA intelligence :wtf:

[PharmaCan]

Which is why Iran CANNOT be allowed to aquire them.

Have a good one!:s4:

I absolutely agree. What I'm saying is, if push comes to shove, I think Israel will handle the problem.

PC :pimp:

[eg420ne]

when the planes flew into the World Trade Center, my first thoughts were : "destroy Afghanistan, Iran, and Syria, in that order ... but, all at the same time works for me, too" ... but, Iraq ? ... nope, didn't quite see the wisdom in that one, but, I don't have access to all that great CIA intelligence :wtf:
:S2: wow thats sum comedy youve got going there...whose your tutor

[eg420ne]

First why Iran And Syria they never done terrorism in the USA, and afghan is just a war torn nation....

Now Israel, whom bombed one of our SHIPS and SA where the 911 cavemen are from, why not bomb them. you see, i can get y'all no matter what.. im sorry but our government is evil and if that hurts your feelings then so what, the truth hurts...

well c-yaa gonna go to the beach, adios.......

[palerider7777]

Well yeah, that's just silly to say nuclear arms are "their right as humans". But, I do agree that it's rediculously hypocritical to have a massive stockpile of nuclear weapons then say to the other guys "how dare you have nuclear weapons! we'll go to war over this!". They're saying they have a pretext for war because the enemy is doing exactly what US and Israel are already doing.

Now I certainly don't want Iran having nuclear weapons, I'd just prefere it if everybody else would do away with at least most of their nukes. You can't piss in somebody's face and at the same time demand their respect.
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as far as i know the usa don't go around preaching hate. we are the ones trying to keep the peace. why would it be ok for iran or any other for that matter to be able to have nukes when they are nothin but a place full of hate? i know the usa is alot of things but we are also the ones trying to keep the peace. and for magical herb there is a way thats better than war.it's called working together. but thats when both sides want pretty much the same thing.and u can't reason with a mad man.and if a mad man is trying to spread hate and trying to cause an uprising in his own peoplewhat r u to do but take him out? when is enough?


lets see we and most of the world want peace. iran and everyone else in that area wants control. as they have always have as u can see how they live. and people might not want to face this fact but there biggest beef over there and has been for thousands of years is a lil tiny place called israel. it is what they all want over there and have been fighting over it for years. that is what this is all about as u hear them say over and over it's a holy war to them. they all want to claim israel and who has always backed israel?

i think the usa, so in order to get to there goal what do u think they would do?the thing is the reason they never complete there goal is because all the diffrent tribes over there i.e iran, Afghanistan,iraq, and Syria among the others are always fighting as to who gets it .they all want it.i know u don't want to hear it but thats it in a nut shell.

the funny thing is it's all in the last book of the bible.and i know i'll be the outcast now and i'll be labeled a bible thumper but not really the diffrence between me and the (bible thumpers)are i use my own brain they listen to some guy in a church that preaches the same thing over and over.

it's been coming and it's not over the only way is when we go over there and erase them where ever there is a seed of hate it will be wide spread in a very lil time.

[palerider7777]

and for the people that think iran and iraq and all thats over there are so great and nice and better than the usa. u should go visit them ...i wonder how they would greet u?and better yet the more women the better i bet the women from the usa would love to live the way they (MAKE U)live over there..but hey what do i know i bet they worship women over there.i bet that why i see them always walking behind the man all wraped up too

[Spoken Word]

why don't we just nuke every arab country...cuba....china.....korea too.. it might save us money and we would still look like bullies...
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how about.....we build a SUPER-wall all around the country to stop immigrants and any other type of attack.....

no because that seems like too much money right??? a dome around america?? but we spend TRILLIONS of dollars on a plane that ends up crashing.
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i love being a part of this country... but why must we fuck with people?
why must we be the one to "bring the war to them"
and then I get in trouble for FIGHTING????
we are basically saying it's okay to go kill a bunch of people in some other country halfway across the world but throwing a few fists makes me a danger to society???? :wtf:

im all for the rest of the world being scared of us....so that no one gets any funny ideas but damn... war doesn't bring peace

[clever421]

wars are pointless all they do is get people killed, if everyone smoked weed no one would want to war, UNLESS helpless civilians are being killed then we should do something about it not start a war over oil or something stupid like that

thats my two cents

[palerider7777]

would u consider the thousands that died on 9/11 helpless civilians i would clever.or did bush plan that so that we could go to war for oil?and lol i see that everyone avoids me on here as they know im right.and from ur views i can assume that if it was up to u we should disband are military. cause if we do that then we could kill 2 birds with one stone.1 we would'nt be bullies,2 the whole world would be peaceful and no more harm would ever bestow us again.lmfao

i think u anti war (really anti protect)people don't know history here's a lil history lesson.1st the usa is one of the youngest countries in the world as u all should know this.2nd way b4 the usa was ever even thought of there was war in the middle east.3rd way b4 that there was war in the middle east.4th we are not the first people to goto war with the people in the middle east.5th we are not at war with the middle east over oil like the movie stars/media lead u to belive.so u need to come up with some better bs than the usa is what started the war over there.

the war is jew/israel related, and anyone who does not believe they way they believe.i think i know alil about the middle east as my grandparents were from syria and i was told the hardships that they came from and that was years ago.so am i for war hell no. am i for protecting freedom hell yes.btw do u know what muslim's preach? and what they believe read there bible i think if i remember right thay say over there anyways that if u don't convert to the way they believe than the order is to draw that persons blood. wow what a passive religion!!!

[Psycho4Bud]

and lol i see that everyone avoids me on here as they know im right.

LMAO! That statement pretty much covers it for me. I've been watching and enjoying........great posts in my opinion!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

[eg420ne]

Hey palerider do you got proof of the government official theory of 911 it would really help out. if do please post it in conspiracy section...and dude make it short no1 wants to read a long boring post about yourself...

and p4b wheres my dinar at

[eg420ne]

and isnt the arabs and jew brothers...then i come to another point...our forefather said we should never interfer with other nations...hence ISRAEL!!!! nope dont care about them people we are AMERICANS say it with me A M E R I C A N S, not jews not muslims...But AMERICANS. Hell i got spanish in me and Irish, i dont go claiming it, because im AMERICAN and DAMN PROUD of it...my point is why do we have people with duel-citizenship in control of our government, it should be ONLY AMERICANS and AMERICANS ONLY

And if the War On Terror was for real OUR BORDERS WOULD BE CLOSED!!!!!!!!

[eg420ne]

Hey palerider did you know the JEWS killed many many many people back in the dayz, cause GAWD said sooo./...what do you think about that....man you people really trying to justify this madmen in our government, what a shame!!!

[halo]

With all the terror attacks on the UN countries, I would not trust any arab country to sustain a nuclear program regardless as to what it's used for. So I would be for a war against IRAN.


What about Pakistan? President Pervez Musharaff is just as corrupt as any other politician in the world and we do absolutely nothing to stop their nuclear stockpile. In fact, I believe we are friends with Pakistan. And they have nuclear weapons. Same with India, although India isn't an Arab nation.

[eg420ne]

hmmm wonder if my post will be deleted cause of the word jew and kill in the same post ..... i wont hold back my thoughts after today, so you mods better be ready...LoL...im j/k i love you MODS

but for real i have not said anything imflammatory toward anyone just speakin the truth as i know it........im letting myself open for all attacks...come1 come alll

[eg420ne]

What about Pakistan? President Pervez Musharaff is just as corrupt as any other politician in the world and we do absolutely nothing to stop their nuclear stockpile. In fact, I believe we are friends with Pakistan. And they have nuclear weapons. Same with India, although India isn't an Arab nation.

your're right Pakistan not our friend, just wait until them radicals take him out, then who will have a nuke, too scare palerider...lol

[palerider7777]

hmmm wonder if my post will be deleted cause of the word jew and kill in the same post ..... i wont hold back my thoughts after today, so you mods better be ready...LoL...im j/k i love you MODS

but for real i have not said anything imflammatory toward anyone just speakin the truth as i know it........im letting myself open for all attacks...come1 come alll


nope just me...that should be enough

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Hey palerider did you know the JEWS killed many many many people back in the dayz, cause GAWD said sooo./...what do you think about that....man you people really trying to justify this madmen in our government, what a shame!!!

yes that was oldtestament. with saul the first king and god did tell saul to take his army and kill everything from the other tribe.why because the other tribe was against god and would rather worship golden idols and false gods rather than him. and they were against the jews(gods chosen people).

and since the jews were gods chosen people he protected them even though they have turned there backs on god every time. until they needed him thats why only god can judge them. and he will in his time but it's not for anyone else to say.but i don't want to ramble on about that thats a whole nother issue.

god is not passive like churches would lead u to believe.he does believe in protecting his own.anyways i don't want to (bore u any longer)but i do believe it's gonna be people like u thats gonna be the down fall of this country. let me ask u this i take it u don't believe in god so the turn the other cheek sould'nt apply to u right as u don't believe in that right?and if u do believe then that whole turn the other cheek is been taken out of text for many years by churches and such i don't think god/jesus ment turn the other cheek and then take a bullet too. anyways so u don't believe in bush going to war or believe in protecting ourselfs so what if someone came up to u and hit u in the face with a bat u gonna walk away saying love not war?

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your're right Pakistan not our friend, just wait until them radicals take him out, then who will have a nuke, too scare palerider...lol

lmfao i don't get scared i get even and it's not being scared it's being ready for anything.lol u sound like the type that would bend over and take it like the passive person u seem to be.
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and isnt the arabs and jew brothers...then i come to another point...our forefather said we should never interfer with other nations...hence ISRAEL!!!! nope dont care about them people we are AMERICANS say it with me A M E R I C A N S, not jews not muslims...But AMERICANS. Hell i got spanish in me and Irish, i dont go claiming it, because im AMERICAN and DAMN PROUD of it...my point is why do we have people with duel-citizenship in control of our government, it should be ONLY AMERICANS and AMERICANS ONLY

And if the War On Terror was for real OUR BORDERS WOULD BE CLOSED

yes im american and when people like u seem to think theres nothin wrong with the big melting pot we have today. where every race and creed are allowed to come to the usa then we have to worry when sum of those people(muslim)that are hate mongers are here. and over seas promoting hate sounds like u are one of them.


with all the post u have yet to say anything useful

[palerider7777]

with all that american talk u keep doing u sure don't seem to give a shit about the thousands that died on 9/11 wow what a patriot!!!!!!!!!!!!! u sound like u want iran and others that hate the jews to destory them.so it's ok to kill jews but not muslim or anyone else that promotes war(iran muslim and others)that whole region has been at war for years way b4 the usa was ever here.

[palerider7777]

according to u we should dismantle our military i mean why would we need them?

[ryanses]

Plain and simple. With the possibility of a war against IRAN on the horizon, would you support a WAR agaisnt IRAN?

Personally, I backed Bush on the war against IRAQ, regardless whether he was right or wrong. In the end, I realized that maybe it was a mistake, especially the way we left minimal amount of spurratic soldiers throughout the country of Iraq. I truly beleived that the war on Iraq should have been done and over with a long time ago.

Nevertheless, I would back the US in a war against IRAN for the simple fact that they have admitted to producing a nuclear program for other purposes other than military combat.

With all the terror attacks on the UN countries, I would not trust any arab country to sustain a nuclear program regardless as to what it's used for. So I would be for a war against IRAN.

I don't support war in general. i think that there has to be wars on earth because people cant live their lives without conflict. a little conflict builds into bigger conflict, then sprouts war. There are some people in this world who are just all around evil, or devious in a way to harm others. war is unescapable in the world we live in.

[rebgirl420]

It depends

[FreshNugz]

Hey palerider did you know the JEWS killed many many many people back in the dayz, cause GAWD said sooo./...what do you think about that....man you people really trying to justify this madmen in our government, what a shame!!!

Where'd you learn that fact...hamas mickey mouse??
P4B where's that vid??

Fucking pathetic...and I quote..

"..I couldn't do my homework because the jews came and destroyed my home and textbooks.." <--What THE FUCK:wtf:

It is no wonder why the arabs and Jews will never cease to disagree. And it will only get worse, as anti-semitism is the theme of some children's educational shows.

[palerider7777]

only thing iv'e ever seen (the jews)do is protect themselfs and there land i would do the same

[Nocturnal Stoner]

Tell me is Iran a muslim country really a threat having nukes whereas Israel who already have nukes seem more of a threat as they all did fight against each other some time ago.

Also If Israel get nukes why not Iran, or Iraq a few years ago? tell me

My maths teacher used to be a nuclear technician on one of our subs. He told us that if any nukes were fired a country would recognise it coming an launch theirs. Stalemate. Therefore they can't really use it.

Even with nukes, any country fighting the US in a war is an automatic death sentence.

By nukes I mean the enrichment programs and the weapons.

[Nocturnal Stoner]

with all that american talk u keep doing u sure don't seem to give a shit about the thousands that died on 9/11 wow what a patriot!!!!!!!!!!!!! u sound like u want iran and others that hate the jews to destory them.so it's ok to kill jews but not muslim or anyone else that promotes war(iran muslim and others)that whole region has been at war for years way b4 the usa was ever here.

there is so much wrong with your knowledge, read up on the middle east and read up on the israeli occupation, the 67 war, the american assistance zyanists... and come back when your words make sense.

[palerider7777]

no im right and i know plenty.it's just jew haters like u is whats wrong.no matter what anybody says or does or even if u see it with your own eyes if it's something about a jew then u won't support it.so i could care less what u (think u know).im not saying there perfect like u or anything like that but rather protecting whats theres.

btw where do all u people that don't believe in war at any cost live cause i could rack up on sum stuff as i know u won't fight back. not really but it would'nt be hard too if sumone wanted too.and i suspect u people don't want cops working anymore either cause thats money the city can save i mean since we live in this dream world where everyone is peaceful.

[palerider7777]

lets go all the way all or nothin u can't have ying without yang.cause where ever theres a ying the will with out a doubt be a yang. yup thats it in a nutshell now come on tell me im wrong about that to.since u know all.

do u not get it it is not for anyone to judge jewish people. they did kill jesus and they will pay for it.but not by anyone but god. and only when god is ready will they be judged. OH wait, most of u don't believe in god so in that case i guess were all fucked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anubis10012007]

IMO, the US cannot afford another war. As soon as we bombed their nuke sites, Iran will send its troops into Iraq and kill the American troops there. The US only has about 150,000 troops to begin with over there. Iran has a total force 12,285,000 troops including militia and they are right next door!

Remember, the recommended number of troops that they proposed for Iraq was no less than 500,000!

Lets see....12,285,000 vs 150,000..........looks pretty shitty for the Americans.

Iran is not the backwards nation Western leaders want you to believe. Yes like every government in the world, their government is fucked up and made up of crack pot Muslim fundamentalists but they do have a well trained military. That is why the US will probably not use ground troops because they know Iran will not be like Iraq.

I think that all of this Iran having nukes is horrible and they must be stopped is all fear mongering. Nuclear war only results in the annihilation of both parties. Fear is control, but both leaders from each country are fucking moronic warring idiots.

But as tradition holds, you should be more afraid of the person who has the most nukes and Iran has none.

The US will have a hard time selling this to the public. They really need to pull something out their ass to invade....perhaps another 9/11?

Americans are not as dumb as the world would like to believe. Just a lil lazy.

Also, you must come to realization that that other more powerful nations like Russia or China may come to Iran's aid if the US invades. Think about that before the government spews more fear mongering and sacrifices millions of lives for an agenda based on oil and money.

[palerider7777]

well thats just it red china has a army of around 2.3 million. so they coupled way more in the way of weapons i would think there the bigger threat.and i don't ever recall the us supporting the talaban or humas or funding them.hell it's in the gov and they openly support them so how is that fear mongering?

if anything it's called being aware. so u think bush is an evil man in search of more money i mean more than the billions he already has man u people r trying to make him out to be ....hitler if thats the case would'nt he start the clean up here? would'nt he close our borders to everyone?or are u saying he wants all people to come here but he wants to kill them over there?see don't make sense.the logical part of this (he just wants to protect us and our future)seems so hard for anyone to grasp.u sound like a bunch of fat rosie's out there u know the fat bitch that does'nt know what shes ever talking about people like u?her lmfao i remember when she was crying about the nra and gun rights and how no one should have them lmfao and her own body guard was carrying one.

or how people like al gore hold on now ur gonna love this your green peace hero goes all around the us preaching save the planet stop polluting the planet meanwhile all the houses and lear jets and limo's he's driving around in uses enough energy a month to support a city and thats just him not even talking about all the others that do it how lame people that think like that are.it's ok for me to do it but not u. he's just a man bear pig,south park i love it.:thumbsup:

[FreshNugz]

ROFL ManBearPig

[palerider7777]

yep man bear pig, im super cereal

[spectrum balanced]

Plain and simple. With the possibility of a war against IRAN on the horizon, would you support a WAR agaisnt IRAN?

Nevertheless, I would back the US in a war against IRAN for the simple fact that they have admitted to producing a nuclear program for other purposes other than military combat.

There's always a reason isnt there? this is why we get in to every fucking imperialist war that the fascists even MENTION as an idea. Because we are the United States of AMNESIA. no one remembers anything that happened BEFORE MONDAY.

"I backed that war and golly, turns out it was a complete crock of shit. thats weird. oh oh oh wait, now THIS war is DEFINATELY credible... those first 12 wars were just a fluke."

[FreshNugz]

Ok..honestly I'm incredibly surprised with the number of people who seem to think that the government staged EVERYTHING on 9/11. As I said before, some of the things in various movies(loose change, zeitgeist, etc.) are strikingly intriguing, but that's what you're SUPPOSED to think. These people made this with the intention of you walking away drawing the SAME conclusion as they have come to. I just find it most disrespectful of people to have such a vain notion about the death of 3000+ people.

I used to be left all the way. At the beginning of everything...I didn't want the U.S. to go to Iraq, and I was certainly relieved when Canada's PM decided not to go along. But what could I do? Call Bush and ask him not to? Never! There's nothing I can do. So America went, and it becomes what it is today, and every day I find myself swinging more to the right on social issues. Look at this country now...is it really correct to take the left side approach and cut and run? It won't stop just because you take out your soldiers, and to believe that it would is just plain ridiculous. I pray to God that doesn't happen, because there needs to be a stern, long lasting American presence there. You made your bed, you have to sleep in it. You owe it to the Iraqi people. Iran is going to be no different. If you pull out...you wouldn't believe the collaboration that Iran, Syria, Iraq, and the entire network of terror organizations will make. And once they do...all hell will break loose. They aren't just going to fucking forget what happened, and leave you alone after you're completely out...unless you finish the job and give them the security you're talking about. It takes a lot longer than the 6 years you've spent.

[Krogith]

Ok..honestly I'm incredibly surprised with the number of people who seem to think that the government staged EVERYTHING on 9/11. As I said before, some of the things in various movies(loose change, zeitgeist, etc.) are strikingly intriguing, but that's what you're SUPPOSED to think. These people made this with the intention of you walking away drawing the SAME conclusion as they have come to. I just find it most disrespectful of people to have such a vain notion about the death of 3000+ people.

I used to be left all the way. At the beginning of everything...I didn't want the U.S. to go to Iraq, and I was certainly relieved when Canada's PM decided not to go along. But what could I do? Call Bush and ask him not to? Never! There's nothing I can do. So America went, and it becomes what it is today, and every day I find myself swinging more to the right on social issues. Look at this country now...is it really correct to take the left side approach and cut and run? It won't stop just because you take out your soldiers, and to believe that it would is just plain ridiculous. I pray to God that doesn't happen, because there needs to be a stern, long lasting American presence there. You made your bed, you have to sleep in it. You owe it to the Iraqi people. Iran is going to be no different. If you pull out...you wouldn't believe the collaboration that Iran, Syria, Iraq, and the entire network of terror organizations will make. And once they do...all hell will break loose. They aren't just going to fucking forget what happened, and leave you alone after you're completely out...unless you finish the job and give them the security you're talking about. It takes a lot longer than the 6 years you've spent.

Watch the movie in my sig. all science

[TallCoolOne]

War should never be an option. But it is. We have no control of Commander in Cheif Dipshit, and Cheney the Highlander.

[onequestion]

You peple do know that the only countries that are on israels side are the USA and micronesia right?

[spectrum balanced]

..and that America is to Israel just as Iran is to Hezbollah

[rebgirl420]

yep man bear pig, im super cereal

hahaahahaahahahah that was a great south park episode

[palerider7777]

there's another good south park where his dad is on a gameshow and says it wrong but i can't say it on here u know as we have free speech

[rebgirl420]

"People who annoy you" hahah

[thoughtwriter]

Watch the movie in my sig. all science

i watched the whole video....you know, i believed this before reading this thread....It just makes me so angry...not only as an american, but as a human being. It so hard for americans as a whole to accept that fact that there are very...Very bad people in high places. And Money seems to be the biggest motive of all. For the owner of the trade center with his 4 billion dollar insurance claim.....to the president himself...and people that fall between. And who suffers....the people that 'believe' that america should NOT step down.."follow through"....they not only have been mislead, but have been raped of the scientific proof.
And to the person that started this thread, you are entitled.
I have MANY friends and family members in other countries RIGHT NOW fighting for a PAYCHECK!!!! That is their work....do all people end up with their dream career???? NO, they are there to feed their families. Do you think every solider really believes in what he is doing? or do you think it is 'his job' to believe?

[rastagal]

The world has seen enough war. Time to close down Bush Family Butchers.

[palerider7777]

nice vid and it brings up sum good points.but to go as far as saying bush is behind it is a lil far fetched.i mean at the most i could see him steping aside or overlooking what osama's plans to maybe let him do it so he could start a war but thats way out in left field.im not saying thats not the case but i would have to see proof before i would believe something like this.

and from the post u people seem to thing im on bush's side, well sorry im not on anybodies side. they all have there own agenda.but i do recall something long ago dealing with bush's dad being linked to or starting the nwo(new world order)and i don't want any part of that bs.so if the vid was or is right thats a big if. but if so i would have to think that it would have to fall in line with the nwo stuff that his dad was into it would only make sense as war to taking over places, putting the people that u wanted into power in these places to help support the nwo.that would be my thought on the only reason why bush would allow 9/11 if that turned out to be the case.it would have to be to help complete the nwo.thats my thoughts on it

[spectrum balanced]

omg... I cant even respond to the stupidity. OR READ IT for that matter.

EVERYONE - TyPiGn N NterNet AbReviashawns iznt KEWL It JuSt MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID

[Psycho4Bud]

omg... I cant even respond to the stupidity. OR READ IT for that matter.

EVERYONE - TyPiGn N NterNet AbReviashawns iznt KEWL It JuSt MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID

Hey SB.......try to keep it just a bit mellower, everybody has an opinion...you don't like his you'd HATE to see mine....LOL.

Let the wars stay overseas, peace in the homeland.:hippy:

Have a good one!:s4:

[spectrum balanced]

Let the wars stay overseas, peace in the homeland.:hippy:

Have a good one!:s4:

thats disgusting.

and no no, please YOU have a good one :thumbsup:

[spectrum balanced]

and how the hell are you going to tell ME to mellow out, I'd say my response was PRETTY MELLOW compared to the shit talkin (gibberishly pathetic though it may be) that was thrown at me. I guess its cool if its coming from an illiterate conservative though.

[Psycho4Bud]

I guess its cool if its coming from an illiterate conservative though.

Welcome to Club Gitmo for CC abusers. We'll see ya after your vacation.

It's been stated in here before people.....the flame wars and insults are done/management.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[palerider7777]

im the bad one and he's putting pics up of our flag burning now thats sick.and about 40 years ago that would be treason.oh and by the way i think i do pretty good for a 4th grade education lol.and im sure iv'e done way more than most people well thats cause i work hard and don't look for hand outs.

also while everyone else was in school i was running a business so i guess i could say im happy with the trade off

[palerider7777]

and psycho4bud ur right if bush did'nt do what he did when this all started then it would be way worse over here than it is now. but everyone will see this come a 1yr or 2 maybe 3. but as soon as we pull our troops and they regroup well....

[Torog]

thats disgusting.

and no no, please YOU have a good one :thumbsup:

Howdy spectrum,

I fail to see anything "disgusting" with Psycho4Bud's post,can you please enlighten us ?

Btw,I voted yes on this poll,just so ya know exactly where I stand..lol.

Have a good one ! :thumbsup: :jointsmile:

PS: the 'crapping protestor',wouldn't happen to be someone ya know..?

[palerider7777]

???

[Anubis10012007]

Seems that most of our people here are against a war with Iran. By far actually. There is sanity still left!

[Ganja Dude]

I think once Bush declares himself a dictator we will have no choice. Unfortunately, he's allready passed an executive order all about it. We are doomed to war with random countries until we do something about it. We need these scumbags out of office.

Impeach Cheney! (http://impeachcheney.org/)

[Ganja Dude]

After re-reading this thread I determined that my answer was way too short.

The Jerusalem posts predicted that the US would go to war with Iran back in April. Thankfully that didn't happen but they did have a reason for thinking that. I'm sure that the US has a ton of bases and weapons setup aimed right at Iran. As for those suggesting that Bush would need a new 9/11 to go into Iran don't hold your breath. Many neo-cons actually want another 9/11! It's just a word to them they don't even think about all the people who died. Fox news openly defended a neo-conservative writer who said:

"Remember the community of outrage and national resolve? America had not been so united since the first Day of Infamy - 12/7/41.
We knew who the enemy was then.
America's fabric is pulling apart like a cheap sweater.
What would sew us back together?
Another 9/11 attack.
It will take another attack on the homeland to quell the chattering of chipmunks and to restore America's righteous rage and singular purpose to prevail."

I don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job, but I do believe that the Bush Administration allowing another 9/11 type event to occur is a strong possibility. They've been waiting for it. If you read up on Bush's executive orders they talk about martial law and Bush becoming dictator no questions ask as soon as a large scale terrorist attacks occurs. This will allow him to respond quicker? Isn't our irrational and rushed response what got us in this situation in the first place? The congress didn't even have time to read the USA PATRIOT Act.

Added: I'd like to mention I know that other presidents have had martial law parameters set into place similar to GW Bush's but he is the first president to brag about how he will use them

[ezygzy]

All the wars need to stop asap. We're fighting more of an ideal than against physical forces these days and its quickly going nowhere. So much death and destruction over what? Oil?

I know way too many wounded vets from iraq and afghanistan, here in my home town and a few who weren't so lucky. I myself was scheduled to be in the 82nd airborne as an electric generator repair tech in April 2001, a few months before the shit hit the fan.

I would've been in one of the first combat forces to be deployed into the lands of afghanistan had I not sustained a hip injury two weeks before my ship-out date. My paperwork, that I still have by the way, would've placed me as graduated from all my classes and jump school right before Sept. 11th 2001 and stationed at my post in Fort Bragg, NC.

I can relate, just a little bit, to whats going on over there in the mid east and its not pretty at all. We need to quit WASTING piles and piles of money fighting an ideaology and work towards peace instead of blowing people up who don't agree with us and suffering heavy casualties on all sides of the senseless fight.

The present state of the world is truely unbalanced, hectic, and quite honestly scary. We need a break from the bombs, death, and destruction. Enough of this war after war after war stuff its getting us nowhere but into HUGE financial trouble.

We are spending ALOT more overseas on combat operations than we do domestically and thats just not right. There are people in need here in the states, and we're over in Iraq wasting money to kill 'terrorists'. Well there are alot more 'terrorists' more than willing to fill the shoes of their dead war heroes, and its going to be a never-ending cycle unless we come to an understanding of eachother and find atleast a few things we agree on and go from there.

At some point we all must look in the mirror as americans and ask... Who's the REAL terrorist?

[TallCoolOne]

How can anyone support war? I support our troops but not the war. There is a difference, don't let politicians or morons tell you otherwise.

[ohkelly]

You libs must not understand just how much oil is under the worthless Iranian desert. And if we hit them now, it'll be a sucker punch to a soft-bellied pushover.

Beyond that, do you understand that Iranians on the street actually like America? More than almost any other Muslim country. And Iran is a young country, with most of the population under 50. They LIKE us. At least, if we don't fuck up. Which, of course, we probably will, especially if Hillary gets elected.
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[Purple Banana]

I have worked at Walter Reed in DC, and just seeing all of those young people, some younger than myself, with the WORST health care imaginable. You think our nation has bad healthcare? These poor KIDS barely even have adequate health care- the rates of amputations, paralyzations, skin grafts, infection rates, chronic pain, and the rate of Post-traumatic stress disorder is completely unimaginable!

People are all concerned about the welfare of democracy overseas, the fight against terror, the war budget, weapons, ect... Yet a pithying of money, an INSULT of money, is being "spent" on medical "care" for these guys and gals... All this talk about protection of our freedoms and this "great land," yet we leave our injured in the fucking dust.

I've seen labor and delivery rooms more technologically sound than the ORs and ICUs at Walter Reed.

And they sent 20,000 more troops into Iraq? Pardon my language, but how the FUCK does that make sense? BOTH sides of the political spectrum sit in their lofty chairs overseeing this, and deciding this without actually taking any PART in the equation. All they really have to lose is money and approval ratings. How the hell is that freedom?

[igot4cheep]

HELL NO..... And to the 14 people who said yes. Pick up a rifle and go over there. I did and I will never do that again.

[The Uncola]

War with Iran is just another of Chimp/Cheney's totally batshit crazy ideas. Like destroying Social Security. If total war is induced with Iran, the Straights of Hormuz get bombed to hell and oil delivery becomes impossible. Hello total paralysis of commerce in the US. Keeping us safer huh?? 9/11 occurred on Dubyuh's watch. They have Never succeeded in preventing a single "Terra" attack. What about the anthrax attacks? What ever happened there?

[eg420ne]

The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty- which country has not signed it
1.USA
2.Iran
3.Israel

[Paulkishi]

USA!!

[Paulkishi]

I am in the army and I don't support the war with Iraq and I won't support a war with Iran. I was in Iraq and I have seen some shit that I doubt anyone here has seen. We are just getting ready for a second generation Vietnam except that there are no drugs.

[eg420ne]

Israel.....and they have nukes! I would hope no one fires a nuke on Israel, it be one bad day...

[eg420ne]

I am in the army and I don't support the war with Iraq and I won't support a war with Iran. I was in Iraq and I have seen some shit that I doubt anyone here has seen. We are just getting ready for a second generation Vietnam except that there are no drugs.
im sure the government has sum better drugs now days, you know the ones that erases your memory, after killing a bunch of innocent people.....

[psychocat]

Bush is the most insane world leader ever and the idea that Iran will just roll over and lay down is complete madness. The US should get it's troops back where they belong which is on American soil instead of starting wars where they have no chance of winning.
Warmongers and retards in the whitehouse is not a good situation.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Uh I'm against a war with Iran but just because I don't think it's any of our business.

If we want to really protect our country, the troops we have spread out all over the world should be protecting our border and our country instead of going halfway around the world to play with their toys in the sand.

That's my opinion, though.

[epxroot]

I really aggree with a lot of what you say, and you seem to be well informed about what is "really" going on in the world. I just dont aggree with this.


the bottem line is that every body that has half a brain knows we had no choice but to goto war. were it went wrong is like most of the wars we have been in. is it starts out as war and ends up as a police action. and u can't police a war!! thats why so many of our troops are being killed. and the only other thing i can say is the main mistake is. we should have started out going str8 for bin laden not iraq. now it might have ended up there.

Hmmm don't really understand why you think this, but you have a right to your own thoughts.


but not to start and for the people that say going to iraq was a wrong move cause there were no weapons of mass destruction. well the only thing i can say to that is. just cause u can't find it don't mean it's not there. and i do recall a video or 2 of sadam testing gases on a mass of people. and mass graves of people that it was tested on. is that not a weapon of mass destruction?i wonder what would have happened...red dawn...i wonder?let say u owned a house,apt,small farm whatever the case may be lets look at your home thats yours lets say it's your own lil country what would it take for u to stand up and defend it or do u care enough about u and ur family to defend? say someone caem to ur(home/country) and shot it up bombed it what ever the case how far would u let it go b4 u would defend it? now remember no police to jump in and protect u remember it's ur country what would it take one of ur kids to die maybe 2 hell maybe ur wife?at what point would u stand up to protect it??

Going to Iraq was the wrong move. 1: We were going after those blamed for 9/11 which had no ties to Iraq. 2: You can't just go to war for suspicion someone has WMD. 3: What is a WMD? Could the U$ armed forces be considered a WMD considering all the innocent people we have killed in Iraq? 4: Genocide is just an excuse there are plenty of other situations of Genocide where U$ just turned the other cheek.

[andruejaysin]

All the wars need to stop asap. We're fighting more of an ideal than against physical forces these days and its quickly going nowhere. Bush has managed to lose the war of ideas, at least in the eyes of the billion muslims who may or may not decide to attack us. And lost it to a mass murderer who lives in a cave. Unfucking believable.

[angry nomad]

I could go off for pages and pages.

Let me just give a few reasons:

1. Ahmedinajad did NOT threaten to "wipe Israel off the map." (Zionist/NeoCon lie.)

2. Bush lied to take us to war with Iraq.

3. War means killing people.

4. There is no good reason. A lot of countries have nukes, or are building nukes.

5. Israel has enough nukes to protect itself.

6. Ninety-five per cent of what you see on TV is propaganda.

7. Many war veterans are against the war.

8. 9/11 was an inside job.

9. CFR, Trilateral Commission, PNAC, Bilderberg Group, the military industrial complex, New World Order, WTO, MKUltra, Federal Reserve, CIA, IRS, Rupert Murdoch

[epxroot]

I could go off for pages and pages.

Let me just give a few reasons:

1. Ahmedinajad did NOT threaten to "wipe Israel off the map." (Zionist/NeoCon lie.)

2. Bush lied to take us to war with Iraq.

3. War means killing people.

4. There is no good reason. A lot of countries have nukes, or are building nukes.

5. Israel has enough nukes to protect itself.

6. Ninety-five per cent of what you see on TV is propaganda.

7. Many war veterans are against the war.

8. 9/11 was an inside job.

9. CFR, Trilateral Commission, PNAC, Bilderberg Group, the military industrial complex, New World Order, WTO, MKUltra, Federal Reserve, CIA, IRS, Rupert Murdoch

BTW you forgot the Jesuit's =).
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

[BathingApes]

No way.

So what if they have nuclear programs? Noone is ever going to start a nuclear war, well not on purpose anyway. Noone is that dumb. In fact if anyone was ever gonna start a nuclear war it would be the USA (not bashing America or nothing but its true)

I can see the propaganda surfacing already in the US media though. Your government is getting ready. You notice the Bin Laden video? Nothing to do with Iran, but in Bush's speech concerning said video he managed to make Iran the main subject, talking about "homeland security" and trying to gain support.

The USA should worry about itself and gets its f**ked up cannabis laws sorted out before they think of any other countries :)
So yeh, I dont support it, but it will happen, 2009 is my prediction.

[BacchusGodofWine]

To anyone who wants a war: You First.

[thekhoso]

war is a meaningless loss of blood, people, peace and tranquility. isn't bush supposed to be working world peace? wtf is going on then?!

economically, the world might even suffer. iraq - one of the worlds biggets producer of oil's completely buggered up. iran, another country which produces almost all of the worlds oil would be willing to go down but they'll take everyone down.

i've even lived in iran for two years. just like you guys to know that you shouldn't be stereotypical and say iranians themselves are assholes. they're the most welcome people on earth but unfortunately the govt. doesn't welcome anyone.

[jagerblunt420]

No. I don't think we need another war.

[Ravenala]

Nevertheless, I would back the US in a war against IRAN for the simple fact that they have admitted to producing a nuclear program for other purposes other than military combat.


And who hasn't done this?

I think you and your family should enlist first, then cast your votes.

[psychocat]

I get sick of the country with the biggest nuclear arsenal telling others they aren't allowed them, it's so damn hypocritical.
I don't see America imposing any kind of sanction against Isreal because of thier nuclear weapons.
America should take care of business at home before they go throwing thier weight around telling others what they can and can't do ,, isn't that called dictating? and aren't those who do it therefore DICTATORS ?
The US goverment is completely FOS !

[Aerow]

A war against Iran would accomlish only one thing for the american people.

It would create more hatred toward us. More hatred = more "terrorists"

The fact that we've been over in the middle east stirring up trouble for more than half a decade is the reason terrorists want to attack us.

Going in and attacking the middle east more is only going to make the problem worse...that is unless we manage to kill everyone over there...in that case the rest of the world would hate us (more than they already do) and we would then end up going to war with them.

Killing terrorists makes about as much sense as killing misquitos with a fly swatter to end malaria.

unfortunatly, alot of the damage has already been done, if we stop everything and end any and all operations in the middle east, it wouldn't make them like us. Basically we are completely fucked if we stay and keep fighting over there, and merely screwed if we don't.

Imagine if china was building military bases in the United states and killing our leaders etc...do you think we'd just sit by and let them do that?

The problem can only be fixed by a foreign policy that supports non-intervention on other countries affairs (the principals America was founded on). We can't lead and police the world at the end of a gun barrel. We can only lead by example.

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

I get sick of the country with the biggest nuclear arsenal telling others they aren't allowed them, it's so damn hypocritical.
I don't see America imposing any kind of sanction against Isreal because of thier nuclear weapons.
America should take care of business at home before they go throwing thier weight around telling others what they can and can't do ,, isn't that called dictating? and aren't those who do it therefore DICTATORS ?
The US goverment is completely FOS !

Ya, let's just let Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong-Il get some nukes because we know they'll play nice right? It's not like he's ever threatened to wipe any other country off the face of the Earth right?

You people amaze me. I know America isn't perfect but I know we're the good guys. Someday all you anti-American fucks will get your wish, and when there's total chaos and dictators everywhere have nuclear capabilities and the world's a mess you'll all be crying about how America didn't come save ya.

[Mohksha]

We should definitely NOT go to war with Iran. Just get the fuck out of there and let other parts of the world deal with their OWN FUCKING PROBLEMS! We don't need to police the world. Just tend to your own shit and let others be. Almost every trouble America is in right now was caused by our blundering into other people's business which pissed people off. Hell, it pisses off Americans and we aren't even the ones being bombed day and night.

[Mohksha]

The problem can only be fixed by a foreign policy that supports non-intervention on other countries affairs (the principals America was founded on). We can't lead and police the world at the end of a gun barrel. We can only lead by example.

beautiful...:4:

[mfqr]

A war with Iran? How many fucking wars do you people who support it want to get into? Afghanistan -> Iraq -> Iran... then what? Until we take over all of the middle-east, because all you blind people believed the propaganda on the news? Give me a break. You supporters aren't getting a fraction of the truth. If you were, you wouldn't support it... unless you're a fucking globalist.

[psychocat]

You people amaze me. I know America isn't perfect but I know we're the good guys. Someday all you anti-American fucks will get your wish, and when there's total chaos and dictators everywhere have nuclear capabilities and the world's a mess you'll all be crying about how America didn't come save ya.


What amazes me is that you think you're country is "saving" people,how do you come to that conclusion ?


Civilian Death Toll in Iraq Climbs (http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/090107Y.shtml)

Some kind of saving when so many are dead huh?

[LaidZeppelin]

then if nukes does it for you then I should assume you think we should go to war with Pakistan...Yeah we invade Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan.......We are making more muslims hate us every single day....we win the war on "terror" when there are less of those people willing to blow themselves up....this pre-emtive war policy will have disastrous consiquesnces in the long run....You are sooo uninformed about this war in Iraq, obviously. Look at the war profiteering, 70% of Iraq wants us out, the war was undeclared. We should be more concerned with Israel attacking Iran because we have 130,000 soildiers right in the middle of that fight. The approach to Iran should be de-escalation, instead all Bush has done is ratchet up the same rhetoric he used to get us into Iraq. There are Jews in Iranian parliament, 70% of the nation does not support Ahmadinajad (the number 2 guy in Iran by the way) just like 70% of this country doesnt support ours. Iran diesnt deserve to be bombed, we will unify all Iranians against America the munite one boot hits the ground.

[thcbongman]

On a long-term economic level, it would bring benefits to both Iran and the US if happened. Fortunately, I don't think America has the resources to carry it out. Besides, with the resources tied up in Iraq, they could not sustain this without printing more money, cutting the interest rates further.

Once Iraq is rebuilt under U.S. occupation, it could cause their economy to prosper, and benefit ours, since they'll be dollars being pumped into our economy. I don't think the troops should withdraw, we should not submit to our opponents. I didn't say enemy, because I don't believe they are, but the fact is they're killing our soldiers, and our soldiers are killing them. We shouldn't waste this occupation without getting some gains in return.

This occupation in Iraq is just a part of a huge economic battle going on in the world. I don't think Bush has much of a choice. Oil is the bloodline of this economy, 90% of the items in your room, made with plastic, and transported using gasoline. Your home could be heated by heating oil. Until there is an alternative resource that could run transportation AND be able to produce plastic efficiently, it's important to secure the resources. I believe this war has prolonged the inevitable, another depression. It'll happen.

I remember 10 years ago, the dollar was worth something. You could go to Europe and get more value for your good. The U.S. also had much cheaper goods as well.

Inflation increasing slight each year. A weak dollar. Decreased purchasing power, widening trade deficit. The writing is on the wall.

They'll be a crash, and you better be prepared for it. Likely won't happen for another 5-10 years, but it will.

A war with Iran could save us later on. It's sick, but war could bring great economic benefits.

On a moral level, a war with Iran is absolutely sick. I don't believe a nation should provoke another war with another country to steal their resources. But since Bush is taking us on a hell bound bath, might as well. The consequences of an economic collapse in the USA would be far worse.

[epxroot]

On a long-term economic level, it would bring benefits to both Iran and the US if happened. Fortunately, I don't think America has the resources to carry it out. Besides, with the resources tied up in Iraq, they could not sustain this without printing more money, cutting the interest rates further.

Once Iraq is rebuilt under U.S. occupation, it could cause their economy to prosper, and benefit ours, since they'll be dollars being pumped into our economy. I don't think the troops should withdraw, we should not submit to our opponents. I didn't say enemy, because I don't believe they are, but the fact is they're killing our soldiers, and our soldiers are killing them. We shouldn't waste this occupation without getting some gains in return.

This occupation in Iraq is just a part of a huge economic battle going on in the world. I don't think Bush has much of a choice. Oil is the bloodline of this economy, 90% of the items in your room, made with plastic, and transported using gasoline. Your home could be heated by heating oil. Until there is an alternative resource that could run transportation AND be able to produce plastic efficiently, it's important to secure the resources. I believe this war has prolonged the inevitable, another depression. It'll happen.

I remember 10 years ago, the dollar was worth something. You could go to Europe and get more value for your good. The U.S. also had much cheaper goods as well.

Inflation increasing slight each year. A weak dollar. Decreased purchasing power, widening trade deficit. The writing is on the wall.

They'll be a crash, and you better be prepared for it. Likely won't happen for another 5-10 years, but it will.

A war with Iran could save us later on. It's sick, but war could bring great economic benefits.

On a moral level, a war with Iran is absolutely sick. I don't believe a nation should provoke another war with another country to steal their resources. But since Bush is taking us on a hell bound bath, might as well. The consequences of an economic collapse in the USA would be far worse.

Hmmm Don't quite understand your economic theory here. How do you think going into another war will bring us out of an economic problem? Wars cost billions of dollars that we don't have to fund. The idea is to pay off our national debt not create more, and that is just what a war will do. If you really want to stop an economic catastrophe just do away with the FED, and limit the size of government. The whole Fed process is nothing but a way to bankrupt the country. We spend all our lives paying money towards a debt that can't be paid off. The more money they print to fund a war the more value our dollar loses, and higher interest, and taxes.

[Nailhead]

Nevertheless, I would back the US in a war against IRAN for the simple fact that they have admitted to producing a nuclear program for other purposes other than military combat.

This is assuming we could win against Iran, but don't you ever think of the possibility that we could loose? Is it really worth the risk? And even if we did win, we would certainly harm our ties with Russia and China who are against a war with Iran, and the last thing we want are those 2 guys as enemies.

Seems like most people that support a war with Iran are naive to the fact that we could actually loose everything we have fought for for 200+ years. Until we find out Iran is planning an attack against US soil, no war on Iran. We don't have the military capability to do so.

[pisshead]

Hmmm Don't quite understand your economic theory here. How do you think going into another war will bring us out of an economic problem? Wars cost billions of dollars that we don't have to fund. The idea is to pay off our national debt not create more, and that is just what a war will do. If you really want to stop an economic catastrophe just do away with the FED, and limit the size of government. The whole Fed process is nothing but a way to bankrupt the country. We spend all our lives paying money towards a debt that can't be paid off. The more money they print to fund a war the more value our dollar loses, and higher interest, and taxes.

exactly, wars cause inflation, which is bad when your currency is just paper, that's been inflating since the day it was unconstitutionally created out of thin air.

[thcbongman]

Hmmm Don't quite understand your economic theory here. How do you think going into another war will bring us out of an economic problem? Wars cost billions of dollars that we don't have to fund. The idea is to pay off our national debt not create more, and that is just what a war will do. If you really want to stop an economic catastrophe just do away with the FED, and limit the size of government. The whole Fed process is nothing but a way to bankrupt the country. We spend all our lives paying money towards a debt that can't be paid off. The more money they print to fund a war the more value our dollar loses, and higher interest, and taxes.

That's exactly what we are doing now. We are printing money for this war. This conflict in Iraq prevented what could've been a recession of magnitude because Bush artificially propped up the economy.

See war brings in revenue. The government has to pay someone for the various services involved, producing guns, skematics, etc. etc. etc. In this day and age, much of this funding is given to contractors, at a cheaper and more efficient cost. Largely the companies would be American, and that's dollars being pumped back into the economy to other sectors. That's exactly what Theodore Roosevelt did, using socialistic programs to create jobs to pump dollars into the economy for the war effort. And it worked. Not long after the war, the 50s was a very prosperous time for America.
The 2nd reason is because Iran has abundant oil resources. They would be able to recoup some of the losses in the long-term, if we are victorious. If we went to war with let's say Rwanda. Morally, it would be a great thing to do, but what does the US have to gain? Absolutely nothing, that'll bankrupt them.

The danger is inflation is hard to control, and once it starts really rolling, it's hard to stop and can have major consequences, ala Argentina. I agree with you, that the ideal way would be to be fiscally responsible, and reduce the size of the government. None of it is happening. The way the economy is structured...war is the eject button.

[epxroot]

That's exactly what we are doing now. We are printing money for this war. This conflict in Iraq prevented what could've been a recession of magnitude because Bush artificially propped up the economy.

See war brings in revenue. The government has to pay someone for the various services involved, producing guns, skematics, etc. etc. etc. In this day and age, much of this funding is given to contractors, at a cheaper and more efficient cost. Largely the companies would be American, and that's dollars being pumped back into the economy to other sectors. That's exactly what Theodore Roosevelt did, using socialistic programs to create jobs to pump dollars into the economy for the war effort. And it worked. Not long after the war, the 50s was a very prosperous time for America.
The 2nd reason is because Iran has abundant oil resources. They would be able to recoup some of the losses in the long-term, if we are victorious. If we went to war with let's say Rwanda. Morally, it would be a great thing to do, but what does the US have to gain? Absolutely nothing, that'll bankrupt them.

The danger is inflation is hard to control, and once it starts really rolling, it's hard to stop and can have major consequences, ala Argentina. I agree with you, that the ideal way would be to be fiscally responsible, and reduce the size of the government. None of it is happening. The way the economy is structured...war is the eject button.

I understand what you are trying to explain to me. The problem is it just doesn't work like that today. If you think that I am wrong just look at our current society. Unemployment has not drop much at all since this war started, the price of gas has done nothing but rise since this war started, our dollar is doing nothing but depreciating, we're going more in debt, our federal spending is out of control, the middle/poor class is slowly dieing. The only people this war is helping is the major corporations who supply it, but the problem is the CEO's and other high level executives do not allow the money to trickle down to the people who make the money for the corporation they just suck it up and act like there is nothing wrong with a CEO making 500 times more than the m employee who dedicates most his life to the company.

The difference between the 50's and today is the economy was a lot stronger, our dollar had more value, companies were not going over seas, our federal spending was not so out of control, illegal immigration was not as big of a problem and there are many others to list. These are some of the reasons why it was a prosperous time, but as you see those days are not here anymore. Like I said we are in a whole different economical era.

[DaBudhaStank]

Ok here's the end all, be all of this thread. If you smoke marijuana, have an account on this forum, and are posting that you support war in ANY way shape or form, you're full of shit. Fuck Israel, Fuck Iran, Fuck Iraq, FUCK THE MIDDLE EAST. I dont give a shit anymore. You want to get nukes? Then start a fucking fight. Let them kill each other. If we get nuked, so be it, theres not shit we can do about it. Sure we could attack Iran, and we'll BOTH get really fucked up, then someone will launch a bomb, the other side will retaliate. Besides, Aminawhatchawhosit won't do shit. He might be crazy, but he isn't a dumbass. I honestly, truely believe we are the most likely to nuke anyone. Know why? Fear. It's fear that drives us, fear for our lives, as if ours meant any more than theirs. As far as i'm concerned, fuck the whole world. If you want a war, go right ahead and kill yourself and everyone else. I'll sit here with a fat ass Jay and give you all a nice big finger. When a mushroom clound lights up in my town, oh well. None of it matters, I've given up hope on most of humanity. As long as i can smoke my bud, i honestly dont give a shit what the world is up to too much.

[thcbongman]

I understand what you are trying to explain to me. The problem is it just doesn't work like that today. If you think that I am wrong just look at our current society. Unemployment has not drop much at all since this war started, the price of gas has done nothing but rise since this war started, our dollar is doing nothing but depreciating, we're going more in debt, our federal spending is out of control, the middle/poor class is slowly dieing. The only people this war is helping is the major corporations who supply it, but the problem is the CEO's and other high level executives do not allow the money to trickle down to the people who make the money for the corporation they just suck it up and act like there is nothing wrong with a CEO making 500 times more than the m employee who dedicates most his life to the company.

The difference between the 50's and today is the economy was a lot stronger, our dollar had more value, companies were not going over seas, our federal spending was not so out of control, illegal immigration was not as big of a problem and there are many others to list. These are some of the reasons why it was a prosperous time, but as you see those days are not here anymore. Like I said we are in a whole different economical era.

I don't think you are wrong about the current economic state. I predicted a market crash in 5-10 years for those very reasons you listed. Read my first post again. I mention those same points. What we disagree on is whether war is an effective economic stimulus.

But what do you think CEOs do with their money? Stash it under a mattress? Realistically, they invest it, start new ventures, which creates new jobs. CEOs are definitely getting overpaid, but they don't just suddenly decide "I made enough money." They strive to make more money. One way or another, they're being pumped back into the economy whether it's through securities, or paying for services

Take a look at the Dow Jones average. Notice how it declined until precisely March 2003. Then the trend start an incline. As I mentioned earlier, it's propped up artificially through the war. But my point is what goes up must come down. The cost for this stimulus is major loss of purchasing power, and the weakening of the dollar We eventually have to pay for it. And presently the problem.

I'm not saying it'll solve our problems to go into Iran the next day, but if the economy goes into a freefall, it's can be an effective economic stimulus if well-managed.

If I ruled America, I'd have a very fiscally responsible budget, cut the size of the government, especially defense, and wasteful social programs. I'd run America very much like Switzerland and not involve war.

The problem is America is too deep in shit trying to police the world. We are now engaging in an economic battle with emerging economic powerhouses: EU, China, Russia, and India. All of them have the potential to overtake America.

[Friend Indeed]

I have HUGE concerns about Iran, but I just don't think we have the troops or resourcees to go in. The mistakes from the current war in Iraq & Afghanistan have yet to be resolved, so they will just be replicated in Iran. Our military is stretched way too thin.

GO BEARS !;)

[Tea Party]

...as far as i know the usa don't go around preaching hate. we are the ones trying to keep the peace. why would it be ok for iran or any other for that matter to be able to have nukes when they are nothin but a place full of hate? i know the usa is alot of things but we are also the ones trying to keep the peace. and for magical herb there is a way thats better than war.it's called working together. but thats when both sides want pretty much the same thing.and u can't reason with a mad man.and if a mad man is trying to spread hate and trying to cause an uprising in his own peoplewhat r u to do but take him out? when is enough?


lets see we and most of the world want peace. iran and everyone else in that area wants control. as they have always have as u can see how they live. and people might not want to face this fact but there biggest beef over there and has been for thousands of years is a lil tiny place called israel. it is what they all want over there and have been fighting over it for years. that is what this is all about as u hear them say over and over it's a holy war to them. they all want to claim israel and who has always backed israel?

i think the usa, so in order to get to there goal what do u think they would do?the thing is the reason they never complete there goal is because all the diffrent tribes over there i.e iran, Afghanistan,iraq, and Syria among the others are always fighting as to who gets it .they all want it.i know u don't want to hear it but thats it in a nut shell.

the funny thing is it's all in the last book of the bible.and i know i'll be the outcast now and i'll be labeled a bible thumper but not really the diffrence between me and the (bible thumpers)are i use my own brain they listen to some guy in a church that preaches the same thing over and over.

it's been coming and it's not over the only way is when we go over there and erase them where ever there is a seed of hate it will be wide spread in a very lil time.

Palerider--I know you are smart (because you have told us so over and over again), so I am sure your utter lack of reason and blind faith in America is not true hypocrisy, but an accidental hypocrisy born from your uncontrolled Religious Nationalism--Christianity/U.S.A. I know you are a true American, for you place Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan in the same sentence as if they were one big happy family with a single vision.
I am an American too, but I am not proud of it. I appreciate its good points, and cry myself to sleep over its ugliness. Of course, American is the best place to live if you want something. But try to think about what is required from the rest of the world in order to maintain our standards of living. There would be no America without the third world, world poverty/famine, and wars. Pride is a no-no in every religion known to man.
It seems that you are very upset about 911--a terrible tragedy of course--but it does not come close to the decimation unleashed on her previous inhabitants and the captives of the middle passage that built her, the nukes over Japan, or the bombing of Dresden, or the collateral damage in Iraq (all of it was collateral damage)...even that the American government sponsored tobacco companies unleash more death and dismemberment upon their own citizenry as to make a grown man cry.
Of course, we are all sickened by 911, but America has a deal with Saudi Arabia--we keep getting cheepish oil, and they will not be fucked with over their terrorism. That is the game. There is an understanding. So while I do not believe the U.S. had a direct role in the 911 attack, they sure as hell are culpable. A machine has many parts, and each part is equally responsible for the actions the machine carries out.
I understand that it is easier to lay blame, when the terrorist is something far off, but the one and only true champion of Terrorism of all time is the Western Economic Machine. How can I, as an American, say this? I just live here, man. I was born here without my permission, and I must live with the hand I was dealt, but that does not mean I have to love everything that happens in America, or because of America. America. America. America. America. America. America. Big woop! I am supposed to worship a flag and a government that pisses on its own people and constitution (sounds like some kind of a third world thing)? What is this part of America that is so wonderful? Mom? Apple pie? Picnics? Baseball? That is all advertising, and we deserve to be punished for only wanting such a plastic lifestyle. Get out of that loop and be a person, Palerider. Do not let yourself be branded. America, the brave has been bought and sold. The America you speak of does not exist; it never did. America, the corporation, does not care about spreading freedom anymore. We only care about security.

What was the original question?...oh yes: No War in Iran! Iran is not a threat, fraidy cats! Russia was never even a threat. The cold war was a hoax. All of these fear campaigns are always driven by the global economic control mechanism. America is just going to have to get poorer for the health of the world, and stop scrambling for the wealth. We do not deserve a television in every room, and a car for every family member. We have been taking more than we deserve for centuries, and there is no legitimate argument as to why we deserve it over anybody else.

Death count 911--3000

Annual Causes of Death in the United States 2000



Tobacco (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 435,000 Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 365,000 Alcohol (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 85,000 Microbial Agents (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 75,000 Toxic Agents (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 55,000 Motor Vehicle Crashes (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 26,347 Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs (http://boards.cannabis.com/#adr) 32,000 Suicide (http://boards.cannabis.com/#suicide) 30,622 Incidents Involving Firearms (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 29,000 Homicide (http://boards.cannabis.com/#homicide) 20,308 Sexual Behaviors (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 20,000 All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 17,000 , 5 (http://boards.cannabis.com/#illicit) Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin (http://boards.cannabis.com/#nsaid) 7,600 Marijuana (http://boards.cannabis.com/#marijuana) 0


Are we going to war over death, or is it ideology? From looking at the numbers, it seems that Blackwater "contractors" (Tr. Mercenaries) should be kicking in the doors of tobacco executives. Bunker busters should be dropped on the mansions of fast food executives. We should be offering $1,000,000 rewards for the recovery of known pharmaceutical executives who are using the proceeds from selling their prescription poisons to finance global terrorism (the continued eradication of natural remedies and their support of the war on drugs which imprisons some of our best minds)...and these microbial agents...What kind of Jihad is that? So no, I do not support any more bullshit fucking wars sketched up on cocktail napkins by special interest think tanks, fake Texans, and blind patriots to the scripted American dream!!

[Zonyc]

I love how the U.S can openly possess nuclear technology, but no one else is allowed to. The Iranian government has repeatedly made compromise offers to place strict limits on its nuclear program beyond what the Non-Proliferation Treaty and the Additional Protocol legally require of Iran, in order to ensure that the program cannot be secretly diverted to the manufacture of weapons. As for the intel that the US has provided to the United Nations IAEA about Iran's nuclear program, most of it has proven to be inaccurate, and none of it has led to significant discoveries in Iran.

The US Nuclear Posture Review which was made public for any citizen in the world to read envisioned the use of nuclear weapons on a first strike basis, even against non-nuclear armed states. The US has repeatedly refused to rule out nuclear first strikes against non-nuclear opponents. This policy is in clear violation of the US Negetive Security Assurance, which pledged not to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear members of the NPT (Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) of which Iran is a part of. So if the US doesnt want to abide by the rules, why should anyone else have to? So the current administration's stance in the world playground (IMO) is either you become our bitch, or we'll nuke you. I suppose the one good thing that has come from this "war on terror" is that I can now buy cheap goods from the states!

[epxroot]

I don't think you are wrong about the current economic state. I predicted a market crash in 5-10 years for those very reasons you listed. Read my first post again. I mention those same points. What we disagree on is whether war is an effective economic stimulus.

But what do you think CEOs do with their money? Stash it under a mattress? Realistically, they invest it, start new ventures, which creates new jobs. CEOs are definitely getting overpaid, but they don't just suddenly decide "I made enough money." They strive to make more money. One way or another, they're being pumped back into the economy whether it's through securities, or paying for services

Take a look at the Dow Jones average. Notice how it declined until precisely March 2003. Then the trend start an incline. As I mentioned earlier, it's propped up artificially through the war. But my point is what goes up must come down. The cost for this stimulus is major loss of purchasing power, and the weakening of the dollar We eventually have to pay for it. And presently the problem.

I'm not saying it'll solve our problems to go into Iran the next day, but if the economy goes into a freefall, it's can be an effective economic stimulus if well-managed.

If I ruled America, I'd have a very fiscally responsible budget, cut the size of the government, especially defense, and wasteful social programs. I'd run America very much like Switzerland and not involve war.

The problem is America is too deep in shit trying to police the world. We are now engaging in an economic battle with emerging economic powerhouses: EU, China, Russia, and India. All of them have the potential to overtake America.

Cheers mate!! I see where I was misguided by your post, well not misguided, but misunderstood what you were saying. I was thinking you were saying that the war would fix our current economic problem, rather than just being a band-aid fix. I see also by your post that we do have a lot of the same ideas. :rastasmoke:

[epxroot]

Palerider--I know you are smart (because you have told us so over and over again), so I am sure your utter lack of reason and blind faith in America is not true hypocrisy, but an accidental hypocrisy born from your uncontrolled Religious Nationalism--Christianity/U.S.A. I know you are a true American, for you place Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan in the same sentence as if they were one big happy family with a single vision.
I am an American too, but I am not proud of it. I appreciate its good points, and cry myself to sleep over its ugliness. Of course, American is the best place to live if you want something. But try to think about what is required from the rest of the world in order to maintain our standards of living. There would be no America without the third world, world poverty/famine, and wars. Pride is a no-no in every religion known to man.
It seems that you are very upset about 911--a terrible tragedy of course--but it does not come close to the decimation unleashed on her previous inhabitants and the captives of the middle passage that built her, the nukes over Japan, or the bombing of Dresden, or the collateral damage in Iraq (all of it was collateral damage)...even that the American government sponsored tobacco companies unleash more death and dismemberment upon their own citizenry as to make a grown man cry.
Of course, we are all sickened by 911, but America has a deal with Saudi Arabia--we keep getting cheepish oil, and they will not be fucked with over their terrorism. That is the game. There is an understanding. So while I do not believe the U.S. had a direct role in the 911 attack, they sure as hell are culpable. A machine has many parts, and each part is equally responsible for the actions the machine carries out.
I understand that it is easier to lay blame, when the terrorist is something far off, but the one and only true champion of Terrorism of all time is the Western Economic Machine. How can I, as an American, say this? I just live here, man. I was born here without my permission, and I must live with the hand I was dealt, but that does not mean I have to love everything that happens in America, or because of America. America. America. America. America. America. America. Big woop! I am supposed to worship a flag and a government that pisses on its own people and constitution (sounds like some kind of a third world thing)? What is this part of America that is so wonderful? Mom? Apple pie? Picnics? Baseball? That is all advertising, and we deserve to be punished for only wanting such a plastic lifestyle. Get out of that loop and be a person, Palerider. Do not let yourself be branded. America, the brave has been bought and sold. The America you speak of does not exist; it never did. America, the corporation, does not care about spreading freedom anymore. We only care about security.

What was the original question?...oh yes: No War in Iran! Iran is not a threat, fraidy cats! Russia was never even a threat. The cold war was a hoax. All of these fear campaigns are always driven by the global economic control mechanism. America is just going to have to get poorer for the health of the world, and stop scrambling for the wealth. We do not deserve a television in every room, and a car for every family member. We have been taking more than we deserve for centuries, and there is no legitimate argument as to why we deserve it over anybody else.

Death count 911--3000

Annual Causes of Death in the United States 2000



Tobacco (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 435,000 Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 365,000 Alcohol (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 85,000 Microbial Agents (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 75,000 Toxic Agents (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 55,000 Motor Vehicle Crashes (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 26,347 Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs (http://boards.cannabis.com/#adr) 32,000 Suicide (http://boards.cannabis.com/#suicide) 30,622 Incidents Involving Firearms (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 29,000 Homicide (http://boards.cannabis.com/#homicide) 20,308 Sexual Behaviors (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 20,000 All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect (http://boards.cannabis.com/#item1) 17,000 , 5 (http://boards.cannabis.com/#illicit) Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin (http://boards.cannabis.com/#nsaid) 7,600 Marijuana (http://boards.cannabis.com/#marijuana) 0


Are we going to war over death, or is it ideology? From looking at the numbers, it seems that Blackwater "contractors" (Tr. Mercenaries) should be kicking in the doors of tobacco executives. Bunker busters should be dropped on the mansions of fast food executives. We should be offering $1,000,000 rewards for the recovery of known pharmaceutical executives who are using the proceeds from selling their prescription poisons to finance global terrorism (the continued eradication of natural remedies and their support of the war on drugs which imprisons some of our best minds)...and these microbial agents...What kind of Jihad is that? So no, I do not support any more bullshit fucking wars sketched up on cocktail napkins by special interest think tanks, fake Texans, and blind patriots to the scripted American dream!!


Wow, that was beautifully said. You pretty much wrapped my thoughts up from the last 10 or 15yrs and placed them in this nice post. Cheers to you Tea Party!!

[Friend Indeed]

I love how the U.S can openly possess nuclear technology, but no one else is allowed to. The Iranian government has repeatedly made compromise offers to place strict limits on its nuclear program beyond what the Non-Proliferation Treaty and the Additional Protocol legally require of Iran, in order to ensure that the program cannot be secretly diverted to the manufacture of weapons. As for the intel that the US has provided to the United Nations IAEA about Iran's nuclear program, most of it has proven to be inaccurate, and none of it has led to significant discoveries in Iran.

The US Nuclear Posture Review which was made public for any citizen in the world to read envisioned the use of nuclear weapons on a first strike basis, even against non-nuclear armed states. The US has repeatedly refused to rule out nuclear first strikes against non-nuclear opponents. This policy is in clear violation of the US Negetive Security Assurance, which pledged not to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear members of the NPT (Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) of which Iran is a part of. So if the US doesnt want to abide by the rules, why should anyone else have to? So the current administration's stance in the world playground (IMO) is either you become our bitch, or we'll nuke you. I suppose the one good thing that has come from this "war on terror" is that I can now buy cheap goods from the states!

I am so amused by people who think that since the U.S. has nuclear weapon capabilities that any and all countries should be allowed to have them as well. This is 1st grade logic, plain & simple. Countries run by dictators should NOT be allowed to have nuclear programs that be used for weapons of mass distruction. Period. It's unfortunate that Canadians are so obsessed with U.S. politics that that they are unable to hold their own government reponsible for border security and the security of North America.

The U.S. government has alot wrong with it, but unless other countries are willing to do their part, then their concerns are pretty much irrelevant as to what we need to do do keep ourselves safe.

:1baa:

[thcbongman]

Cheers mate!! I see where I was misguided by your post, well not misguided, but misunderstood what you were saying. I was thinking you were saying that the war would fix our current economic problem, rather than just being a band-aid fix. I see also by your post that we do have a lot of the same ideas. :rastasmoke:

Cheers! :thumbsup:

I thought it was a good level-headed debate. A bit of miscommunication, but it was a fun exercise!

[psychocat]

I am so amused by people who think that since the U.S. has nuclear weapon capabilities that any and all countries should be allowed to have them as well. This is 1st grade logic, plain & simple. Countries run by dictators should NOT be allowed to have nuclear programs that be used for weapons of mass distruction. Period. It's unfortunate that Canadians are so obsessed with U.S. politics that that they are unable to hold their own government reponsible for border security and the security of North America.

The U.S. government has alot wrong with it, but unless other countries are willing to do their part, then their concerns are pretty much irrelevant as to what we need to do do keep ourselves safe.

:1baa:

So it's only okay to dictate what others may do if it's America doing the dictating ?
What Canada has to do with it is beyond me ? Please elaborate.
The US goverment is the biggest risk to world peace since Hitler.
How hypocritical is it to tell everyone else to disarm whilst you are arming yourself to the teeth ?

[BathingApes]

Ya, let's just let Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong-Il get some nukes because we know they'll play nice right? It's not like he's ever threatened to wipe any other country off the face of the Earth right?

You people amaze me. I know America isn't perfect but I know we're the good guys. Someday all you anti-American fucks will get your wish, and when there's total chaos and dictators everywhere have nuclear capabilities and the world's a mess you'll all be crying about how America didn't come save ya.

I can not see how there will ever be peace. There NEVER will be. Not until the fucking end of the world will this shit stop. Fact is America would do its self some fucking good if it got out of middle east and spent all the trillions of dollars your government has invested in ridiculous defence measures on improving standard of living, education, poverty, and racism. Never ever going to happen of course, cause now we're in too deep.. so forget that..

With all your defence you have, there is no need to use it on Iran. Do you actually think they will nuke you? Seriously?! They aren't fucking idiots. If Iran nuked America that would be the end of Iran and half of the middle east - they just wouldn't do that. It makes me so fucking mad that you actually have that baboon of a man the LEADER OF YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY. HOW THE FUCK DID THAT ONE HAPPEN?!?!? The most powerful man in the world - an idiot! HOW?!?!? For those who would tell me to shut up because "I dont live in the USA," - I would say this; I live in the UK where our government follows yours with everything you do. Why isn't he impeached? I read somewhere that 70% of the USA population want the troops home. WHY THE FUCK ARENT THEY HOME THEN?! The government knows best huh I guess.

[quaz808]

Another war huh?? yea great Idea
Who is going to fight it? You ? Who will pay for it? Why?
Just because a country wants to produce its own energy?

"Serious science has been known to the general public for say 300 years.
There's a lot of mental evolution to come before we loose the ghosts and gremlins built into our minds."


How to make world peace? Rid the world of religion.No use for it anymore,everyone knows that the world isn't flat now a days.

[Markass]

It's unfortunate that Canadians are so obsessed with U.S. politics that that they are unable to hold their own government reponsible for border security and the security of North America.



:1baa:

okay, border security...lmao, that's like right next to us, why don't we help them improve whatever's wrong with their border, instead of a stupid fucking war in Iraq?

[Friend Indeed]

okay, border security...lmao, that's like right next to us, why don't we help them improve whatever's wrong with their border, instead of a stupid fucking war in Iraq?

Um......when/where did I state that the war with Iraq was correct?
I thought we were discussing nuclear capabilities.

What exactly is YOUR country doing about the security of North America? Why should U.S. taxpayers help you people w/your border weakness? Use your own tax dollars!! I'm already paying for a WAR I don't agree with. Why should we help you with your problems? Why should we help YOU with anything?

By the way, how many AlQueda camps are you up to now in Canada?

I don't work 2 jobs to help YOUR government do what is right.
Hold YOUR governemnt responsible!!!!!

And, regarding your previous quote regarding the U.S. being the worst dictatorship since Hitler in Nazi Germany: How ignorant. You should be embarrassed. Truly.

Are you really THAT uneducated? Have you ever opened a history book? What are you people learning in Canada?! Any 1st grader can google "dictatorship" to learn that the U.S. is nothing close.

You ditched classes alot in high school didn't you?

[FreshNugz]

First of all, MArkass isn't Canadian..or at least didn't say it. Next,
Before you state that Canada has a weak border, and that we need help from YOU, or need to "protect the continent" for you...fucking do your research bud.

We had one cell. They were training here. And then they were ALL ARRESTED!!!!!!!
We caught that...how the hell do we need help??
It's funny how you say "our border weakness". That's the most ridiculous argument ever.
And if you argue that terrorists are coming through the border to your country, that is a US customs problem, not ours! The guys who we caught here were canadian citizens, who were BORN HERE so how would our border have anything to do with it?? Before you call people uneducated and ignorant, make sure your argument isn't even more ludacris than theirs, which it clearly is.
Nobody asked you to use your tax dollars to help us, we don't need your fucking help man. What we need is to not be too closely associated with you guys so we can keep our asses un-attacked!

[Friend Indeed]

Are you able to carry on a debate without swearing?
When you drop the F-Bomb it just makes you look ignorant & uneducated.

I have "fucking" done my research, "bud".

"We don't need you're fucking help, man"??? Really? Good!!!!!
If/when Canada is attacked, I will protest my government for providing aid, which of course will be fruitless.

All I said was that SOME Canadians are obsessed with American politics & are unable/unwilling/afraid to hold their own governemnt responsible.

Why don't you use your pent-up resentment to make changes to YOUR political system?

Canada is very fortunate to be adjacent to the U.S.

Have a nice fucking day, man. I have to go to work so that I can pay taxes to subsidize Canada's socialized medical system.

:rastabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::r astabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::ras tabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna:

[Psycho4Bud]

Friend Indeed,

Causing a flame war, personal attacks, in here isn't permitted. One more post referring to people in here being ignorant will be dealt with.:postreadrulez:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[FreshNugz]

I'm defensive because you offended me, and my country. And you didn't even do so rationally or logically.
I used the "f-bomb" as you call it only twice.
Your tax dollars have nothing to do with my medical system!!!! Where do you even come up with this!?
By the way, nobody is obsessed with American politics. It's funny to watch, but obsessed? I highly doubt it. And how does us having an interest in American politics mean we can't hold our government accountable. I just don't see where you get your arguments, and don't call me ignorant and uneducated for using some colourful language in defending my nation, which you've insulted.
And you think your government would help us if we were attacked...you can't even help your own citizens in New Orleans, let alone anyone else! You act like you're doing us a favour by being our neighbour, when you do nothing but insult us.
Why so sour about our medicare? It has nothing to do with you. Seems as though you wish you had access.

[psychocat]

Um......when/where did I state that the war with Iraq was correct?
I thought we were discussing nuclear capabilities.

Read the thread title man.
This is not a discussion about nuclear capability it is about support for another bullshit attack by America on another nation which has done fuck all to America.


And, regarding your previous quote regarding the U.S. being the worst dictatorship since Hitler in Nazi Germany: How ignorant. You should be embarrassed. Truly.

I was the one who compared Bush to Hitler not Mark so why don't you quote me, Bush is DICTATING what other countries may or may not do .
Try looking up the definition of dictating.
Getting others to toe your line through threats of violence is DICTATING.


Are you really THAT uneducated? Have you ever opened a history book? What are you people learning in Canada?! Any 1st grader can google "dictatorship" to learn that the U.S. is nothing close.

You ditched classes alot in high school didn't you?

You need the education if you believe for one minute that America is not becoming a facist state, you buy the propoganda telling you there are threats round every corner which gives your goverment even more power to monitor and watch you for any anti-American ideas.
Sounds a lot like the Mcarthy witch hunts of the 50s ,,reds under the bed,, feed the paranoia and keep the people suspicious of each other. It's all a smoke screen to stop you looking too closely at what your goverment is actualy doing which is screwing each and every one of you.

[Zonyc]

Are you able to carry on a debate without swearing?
When you drop the F-Bomb it just makes you look ignorant & uneducated.

I have "fucking" done my research, "bud".

"We don't need you're fucking help, man"??? Really? Good!!!!!
If/when Canada is attacked, I will protest my government for providing aid, which of course will be fruitless.

All I said was that SOME Canadians are obsessed with American politics & are unable/unwilling/afraid to hold their own governemnt responsible.

Why don't you use your pent-up resentment to make changes to YOUR political system?

Canada is very fortunate to be adjacent to the U.S.

Have a nice fucking day, man. I have to go to work so that I can pay taxes to subsidize Canada's socialized medical system.

:rastabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::r astabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::ras tabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna::rastabanna:


Ok, This post is about supporing a War with Iran or not. Did you even read my post? Do you know what a dictator even is? An absolutist or autocratic ruler who assumes sole power over the state. President Ahmadinejad became president on 6 August 2005 after winning the 2005 presidential election by popular vote. That makes him the president of the islamic REPUBLIC of Iran.

Your stance on you country's nuclear program is that it's fine if you have nukes, and its fine if anyone else who follows you has nukes? Meaning after the war in Iraq is over, (and they have so kindly laid down their weapons and adopted western democracy like you have forced on them) you would be fine if they started a nuclear weapons program?

And what does Canada's border patrol have anything to do with this post, and how the hell in your right mind do you justify saying that YOUR taxes go towards the Canadian universal healthcare system?

[Mr. Clandestine]

There's plenty of room for debate over justified means in the Iraq war. Coincidentally, America invaded Iraq, and is now trying to make the best of an awkward situation/stalemate. American politicians are at each others throats constantly. The left, in general, wants to bring the war to a close immediately...while the right wants to see the job get finished. The "job" being to establish a democracy in a primarily theocratic nation. This is usually where the debates begin. Democrats who want out assume that the mission should have actually been accomplished when Hussein was removed from power. The Republicans want the Iraqi military to be able to defend itself from future insurgents and terrorists. There, unfortunately, is no middle ground...nor many compromises. Just endless bickering from both sides.

As for war with Iran, it's not likely at all that this will happen. For several reasons. One - America has very little resources for a ground invasion in ANY country, much less one the size of Iran. Two - most Americans are sick and tired of losing their sons and daughters to a war declared on an abstract, and loosely used noun (i.e. - "terrorism"). Three - Iran, while touting their supposed nuclear capabilities, certainly doesn't want to try and compete with America in terms of destructive capabilities of a nuclear war. America's nuclear arsenal could turn their enormous, rugged country into a flat parking lot very quickly. And they know this. This is why they are trying to wage a covert war by supplying insurgents in Iraq with weaponry. It's basically the only way they can "wage war" on the American "infidels" without actually making a declaration of war.

As for the negative comments about America, just remember this...no one country is perfect. No country is flawless in the laws it imposes on its civilians, and no country has a 100% perfectly content citizenship. America has its flaws, and I don't know of any American who will blatantly deny this. But, even with all of its flaws, it's still considered the greatest nation in the world by many people...not just Americans. It's still a land of opportunity, and even though the concept of freedom is different for everyone, it's still the land of the free. I agree that the archaic marijuana laws could use some revamping, and that's what political activism is for. I'm vehemently against most drugs. I've seen what heroin and cocaine can do to peoples lives. I've met the families that these drugs have destroyed. I'm not against the DEA, because I don't EVER want my children to get caught up in the turmoil that hard drugs can impose on a persons life. I wish the DEA would actually take the time to consider the medicinal properties of marijuana use, and maybe they will. The best thing about living in America is that we can choose and elect representatives that can make real changes.

...we just have to find them first.

[Markass]

Um......when/where did I state that the war with Iraq was correct?
I thought we were discussing nuclear capabilities.

What exactly is YOUR country doing about the security of North America? Why should U.S. taxpayers help you people w/your border weakness? Use your own tax dollars!! I'm already paying for a WAR I don't agree with. Why should we help you with your problems? Why should we help YOU with anything?

By the way, how many AlQueda camps are you up to now in Canada?

I don't work 2 jobs to help YOUR government do what is right.
Hold YOUR governemnt responsible!!!!!

And, regarding your previous quote regarding the U.S. being the worst dictatorship since Hitler in Nazi Germany: How ignorant. You should be embarrassed. Truly.

Are you really THAT uneducated? Have you ever opened a history book? What are you people learning in Canada?! Any 1st grader can google "dictatorship" to learn that the U.S. is nothing close.

You ditched classes alot in high school didn't you?


1. I'm not canadian, buddy.

2. Why should I as a US taxpayer pay to help Iraq's cause?? Why not spend it in canada instead, which is right at our front door?

[psychocat]

There's plenty of room for debate over justified means in the Iraq war. .

Give me one good reason for American troops being in Iraq ?

WMD ?

They are there for one reason only and that is to benefit America.

As for Iran , America really needs to clean up it's own backyard before it goes round dictating to others.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Give me one good reason for American troops being in Iraq ?

I wasn't defending the reasons America had for going over there. I didn't agree with the war in the first place, but I will agree that Iraq is now a better place with Saddam out of power. And if ("if" being the operative word) Iraq establishes a long-lasting democracy, then I'd say that's another good reason for still having our troops there. Regardless of whether you believe the rhetoric or not, Iraq and much of the Middle East is a breeding ground for terrorists and Islamic radicals. If we run from something they started (not Iraq, but Islamic radical fundamentalists), we'd look like cowards in the eyes of the world.

[psychocat]

The Power of Nightmares Part 1: Baby it&#39;s Cold Outside - by Adam Curtis (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=881321004838285177)

The Power of Nightmares Part 2: The Phantom Victory - by Adam Curtis (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4602171665328041876)

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Fear is being sown for a reason and people need to wake up to the manipulation.

[Psycho4Bud]

Soldiers doing a march depicting a sword going through the U.S. and Israel; The head Mullah checking out the troops....words can be manipulated but images like these can't.
Clip (http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1587.htm)

Have a good one!:s4:

[psychocat]

Soldiers doing a march depicting a sword going through the U.S. and Israel; The head Mullah checking out the troops....words can be manipulated but images like these can't.
Clip (http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1587.htm)

Have a good one!:s4:

Tell Hollywood images can't be manipulated.
I guess Alien must've been real , and Independance Day too huh ?

I almost pissed myself laughing man, I am a photographer and believe me images aren't that difficult to manipulate at all.

Many years ago I saw an advertisement that showed a stereotypical skinhead type character seemingly attacking an elderly man.
When the camera pulled back to show the same scene again it became obvious that it wasn't an attack.
The elderly man was stood under a platform on the edge of collapse and the "thug" attacking was actualy saving the mans life.
Point of view can change everything.
The narrow field of the original shot missed the finer detail making the scene very different to the actual event.

[Psycho4Bud]

Tell Hollywood images can't be manipulated.
I guess Alien must've been real , and Independance Day too huh ?

I almost pissed myself laughing man, I am a photographer and believe me images aren't that difficult to manipulate at all.

Many years ago I saw an advertisement that showed a stereotypical skinhead type character seemingly attacking an elderly man.
When the camera pulled back to show the same scene again it became obvious that it wasn't an attack.
The elderly man was stood under a platform on the edge of collapse and the "thug" attacking was actualy saving the mans life.
Point of view can change everything.
The narrow field of the original shot missed the finer detail making the scene very different to the actual event.

Your right....they can be. So do ya think that the images in that flick are real or not?

I read in here on how history repeats itself; we should learn from past mistakes, etc.... Imagine Hitler with a nuke, Iran can't be permitted to get to that stage. Study their constitution and the philosophy of their Mullahs.

Have a good one!:s4:

[BathingApes]

Is it fear that guides your rationale?

This is how the western take over of the middle east will go.

9/11 = Invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq = Hatred grows for America in the middle east, adding to numbers of Al Qaeda (which is ultimately what the government wants, so they can push their policies on us with little or no debate) = We use said hatred to yet again stir up an anti-Muslim image in the media and government = We let this image fester until it becomes the norm = In Iraq we build military bases (as we are now) to make the invasion of Iran that much easier = We say that Iran has nukes and that they are a huge threat to us = We invade Iran, and take oil, build more bases, give the president all the power he needs to create an autocracy = then repeat cycle but with Saudi, then Syria, etc, etc, etc.

It will NEVER end. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER

[smartin.2006]

Only if they threaten our security.

[BathingApes]

How do you know if they do or not? Are the government suddenly enlightened bringers of truth?

[psychocat]

Only if they threaten our security.


Define that please ?
Iraq was no " threat to your security" and neither is Iran, the biggest threat to your security is your own goverments foreign policy.

[killerweed420]

We might just as well attack Iraq. We've managed to make a complete mess of things over there anyway. Might as weel finish it all off in one big nuke.

[psychocat]

We might just as well attack Iraq. We've managed to make a complete mess of things over there anyway. Might as weel finish it all off in one big nuke.

I find that the stupidest comment so far.

[yokinazu]

one good thing that can come from a nuclear strike in the middle east, all that extreme heat will make all that sand into glass. and think of all the glass bongs and beer bottles we could make from that

[Reefer Rogue]

No, it may be hard to hear but i do not support ANY war. Unless they invade you...

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

No, it may be hard to hear but i do not support ANY war. Unless they invade you...

What if they attack your allies? 'cause otherwise you'd have to ban any national allegiances.

[RUTBpiping]

No! its a stupid idea iran is NEVER going to attack anyone.

*shakes his head*

[cm8883]

No, it may be hard to hear but i do not support ANY war. Unless they invade you...

Exactly.

[yoda]

Does Iran seriously pose a threat to us? No. We can not just keep waging war out of fear like this. George W. Bush people. That's why you shouldn't do cocaine.

[mfqr]

Every single country should have to disarm and throw their nukes out, which includes the US. It doesn't make sense thatwe can have them but nobody else can. But nobody should be holding the power to vaporize a whole big city with one bomb. Nobody should be able to hold the power to blow up the whole world with nuclear bombs either.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious they're lying about Iran, just like they lied about Iraq.

And I agree with you, Yoda. I really don't think Iran poses a threat. I don't see much of a threat from terrorists either.

It would be incredibly retarded for Iran to nuke us if they had them. Plus, how many would they have? A couple? One? Ok, so they nuke us... then guess what happens? They get nuked by a country that has over ten thousand nukes. They can't compete! They'd be ensuring their death. They'd be signing a deathwish for everyone in the country. They will not nuke us even if they had them. They can't be that stupid... *waits for the replies saying they are that stupid*

[Nailhead]

It's nice to read through the warmongers posts in this thread for a good chuckle, Iran being a threat to the US, lol that always makes me laugh. But of course, comparing Iran to Nazi Germany takes the cake :lol5:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Fuck NO!!!!!!

I would never support a war in Iran, Let the Israilies take care of it. They have the most to lose if Iran becomes nucular. And believe me they will never let that happen.

[AZExplorer]

Fuck NO!!!!!!

I would never support a war in Iran, Let the Israilies take care of it. They have the most to lose if Iran becomes nucular. And believe me they will never let that happen.

Yeah. I dont support a US led invasion, however I support a US-supported invasion by Israel. There is no way in hell Israel will allow Iran to get nuclear weapons capabilities. No way in hell.

If Israel even suspects Iran of building nuclear weapons, you will see US aircraft being used by Israel to bomb it. As they have every right to do. The middle east has made it clear they want Israel off the map and Israel has the right to defend themselves.

I wouldnt be shocked if they bomb the new Russian built plant in Tehran before it even becomes operational in Late 2008.

But No, the US should not lead an invasion. Iran would not be capable of doing any damage to the US for the next 20 years atleast.

[Nailhead]

Yeah. I dont support a US led invasion, however I support a US-supported invasion by Israel. There is no way in hell Israel will allow Iran to get nuclear weapons capabilities. No way in hell.

If Israel even suspects Iran of building nuclear weapons, you will see US aircraft being used by Israel to bomb it. As they have every right to do. The middle east has made it clear they want Israel off the map and Israel has the right to defend themselves.

I wouldnt be shocked if they bomb the new Russian built plant in Tehran before it even becomes operational in Late 2008.

But No, the US should not lead an invasion. Iran would not be capable of doing any damage to the US for the next 20 years atleast.
So what difference does it make if we lead the war or supply the weapons? In either case we are involved and if you think Arabs are too stupid to notice this then you are very naive. 9/11 didn't occur because we were friendly and fair to Arabs, keep that in mind. If Israel wants to wage war they should do it on their own with no help at all from the US. If they wage war we need to end all funding so we don't have blood on our hands. They should be the ones to face the consequences of what war brings, not the US and certainly not innocent American citizens!

It still amazes me how people think our issues with Iran have to do with nuclear weapons and terrorism. Those same people never seem to stop and wonder what is the root cause of terrorism, or why a country like Iran would even want a nuke. Seems like a common attitude with Americans is that the horrible things we did to our enemies in the past are irrelevant because we are the world leader, and if we continue with that logic we will never see peace in the world and America will ultimately fail. Most countries don't last as long as we have lasted, so people need to start asking themselves if they want America to last another 50 years or another 500 years. Waging wars across the world is the best way to shorten the life of our nation, and when that happens, believe me, terrorists will not be what makes you stay up all night.

[xlz916]

I think this poll is flawed. Where is the "Fuck no" option?

[xlz916]

I think it's a little funny that people that don't like Iran think Israel should death with them, as if Israel is so much better! At least Iran never supported Apartheid South Africa!

[yhelothar]

Man, a lot of people seem to be woefully ignorant about politics. This is one of the biggest problems in America. You can NOT have an effective opinion if you are not informed. You will just look like an idiot to anyone who actually took a few minutes to read the politics section from an unbiased news source (aka almost anyone by Fox news). Although, the media does have a slight liberal bias but not blatant like Fox.

Why don't you guys take a look a this:

Iran: Nuclear Intentions and Capabilities
http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf

[swice1]

i will never support a war

[AZExplorer]

So what difference does it make if we lead the war or supply the weapons? In either case we are involved and if you think Arabs are too stupid to notice this then you are very naive. 9/11 didn't occur because we were friendly and fair to Arabs, keep that in mind. If Israel wants to wage war they should do it on their own with no help at all from the US. If they wage war we need to end all funding so we don't have blood on our hands. They should be the ones to face the consequences of what war brings, not the US and certainly not innocent American citizens!

It still amazes me how people think our issues with Iran have to do with nuclear weapons and terrorism. Those same people never seem to stop and wonder what is the root cause of terrorism, or why a country like Iran would even want a nuke. Seems like a common attitude with Americans is that the horrible things we did to our enemies in the past are irrelevant because we are the world leader, and if we continue with that logic we will never see peace in the world and America will ultimately fail. Most countries don't last as long as we have lasted, so people need to start asking themselves if they want America to last another 50 years or another 500 years. Waging wars across the world is the best way to shorten the life of our nation, and when that happens, believe me, terrorists will not be what makes you stay up all night.

Damn, I spent about an hour last night writing a book here about why we support Israel and what not, only to finish and get some sort of "Database Error"

Anyways, We support Israel for several reasons. 1) they are the only democracy in the middle east, and the US does everything in their power to support democracy aka S. Korea. 2) Stregetic Importance- Israel allows the US use of their land to actively store tanks, artillery, and air force bases; they even train us in counter-intelligence about new terriorist warfare techniques 3) Israel played a huge role for us defeating Germany in both of the WW when the Arab nations, then known as the Ottoman Empire backed Germany.

If the US falls it wont be because of anything but our own greed and our own faults in our economic system. No Arabic nation will cause the fall of the US. If it really came down to it, we could take over the entire middle east. If it was a matter of life or death.

Israel has every right to defend themselves when the countries President has said he wants Israel whipped off the face of the map. Thats a pretty serious desire, and Israel will defend themselves.

Here are the 2 options; 1) The US helps support Israel in an attack on selected targets but plays a very limited role in the war. or 2) The US provides no aid (this will never happen BTW) and Israel feels the need to flex their muscle and nukes Iran killing millions and millions of people.

No matter what, If Israel feels Iran is close to getting a nuclear weapon, They will attack. Its a matter of what capacity. And Israel has about 60 armed nuclear warheads and the means to deliver them. While I know its hard to support a war. There is definetely consequences of the US not helping, and it will lead to much more bloodshed.

You have to take a step back to look at the larger picture. To say just turn your back on Israel now, is a rather fucked up thing to do, especially after Israels unconditional support since around 1900.

[baldie1]

Hi guys just reading through some posts .What gets me is all this talk of W.M.Ds it's all to do with oil !.petrol chemical dollar recycling .O.P.E.C is run in dollars opec money is held in the Federal Reserve.Iran and Iraq ad a few minor league oil producers were planning to start their own consortium .The base for this was to be in europe and were going to use the euro for their transactions .If others jumped on the bandwagon the american economy would collapse rapidly .Don't get me started on afganistan .lol
take care.

[greenlotus]

I can't support war, but I'll support the Iranian peoples' right to fair representation, in spirit anyway. They despise their current leader, who is in office due to record voter apathy, much like a diebold stalemate, worldwide - it's a bit of a dulce et decorum est pro patria mori global scam, augmented with nations being meaningless beside corporate power. Automatons of media talking heads that must put the best spin on the next Spartacus gutter display of population control and contempt for the poor.

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori", is an old poem/story - and one man defending his homeland is still like ten attacking.

[AZExplorer]

Hi guys just reading through some posts .What gets me is all this talk of W.M.Ds it's all to do with oil !.petrol chemical dollar recycling .O.P.E.C is run in dollars opec money is held in the Federal Reserve.Iran and Iraq ad a few minor league oil producers were planning to start their own consortium .The base for this was to be in europe and were going to use the euro for their transactions .If others jumped on the bandwagon the american economy would collapse rapidly .Don't get me started on afganistan .lol
take care.

Actually, a war in Iran would have nothing to do with oil. Thats kind of the oppositions stance on everything in the middle east "All the US wants is oil."

Thats kind of ignorant considering there is a legit concern and actual construction of a nuclear plant taking place. The agrument comes from what Iran will do with the nuclear plant. I dont trust George Bush, but I definetely dont trust President Psycho of Iran who came to America and gave Anti-American speeches in hopes to cause rebels to revolt against our own government in hopes of creating an unstable US.

Thats the whole point of this Bin Laden tapes, even to this day. They attempt to hit close to home and "drive a wedge between the western people and their leaders"

Yes, the nuclear plant can be used for peaceful purposes, however Iran still refuses to allow UN inspectors in and only wants to answer to the IAEC (or something like that) which its entirely possible Iran has those inspectors on the payroll.


I believe we are doing the right thing, we are using diplomacy as we prepare for a 4th round of negioations with Iran, however they dont seem willing to open up their programme to other agencies, and if they wont budge, then the US needs to impose sanctions. Simple as that. Whats Israel does, is up to them. But if Iran continues what they are doing, and Israel decides to wage their own nuclear war, they will be at no fault but their own.

Not to mention Irans president repeatedly insults the President of France, and the PM of Britian. Hes very good at name calling because hes a fucking coward.

[Nailhead]

Damn, I spent about an hour last night writing a book here about why we support Israel and what not, only to finish and get some sort of "Database Error"

Dude I hate it when that shit happens, when it does I usually start cursing at my computer screen looking like a nutjob haha

[mfqr]

People who support wars are nothing but sheep, to put it simply. Learn to think for yourselves.

[AZExplorer]

People who support wars are nothing but sheep, to put it simply. Learn to think for yourselves.

War is definetely something that should be avoided at all costs, however there are circumstances where war is the only option. When the Nazi's were on their conquest for an Arian race, what other option was there?

Bloodshed isnt a good thing, however it is natural. War will always happen, it will always exist. Thats how countries are formed, thats how times change. Wars generally provide hope for a greater future.

I understand that no one likes to go to war, but people are willing to give their life in hope that their children and their childrens children have a better life. And if someone believes in a cause enough to die for it, then they must truly feel its for the best in the long run.

Would you go to war for legalization of marijuana?

EDIT- so, if your next door neighbor said that he was going to kill your entire family, and then he went out and got a hunting license and purchased a rifle, but no ammo. what would you do? Thats pracitcally the situation Israel is in, only they cant call the police, they have to defend themselves. Iran has repeatedly threatened to eliminate Israel. I dont see what other choice Israel has, what sit back and watch as Iran gets closer and closer to nuclear capabilty.

[AZExplorer]

Dude I hate it when that shit happens, when it does I usually start cursing at my computer screen looking like a nutjob haha

Yeah man, I was irrate LOL. I had seriously spent about an hour researching and putting together this 7-8 paragraph post and was just infuriated when it wouldnt go through lol. oh well. it was probably too long for anyone to ready anyways.

[Nailhead]

Bloodshed isnt a good thing, however it is natural. War will always happen, it will always exist. Thats how countries are formed, thats how times change. Wars generally provide hope for a greater future.

I strongly believe in evolution and that any organism at war with itself is an organism that will eventually die out and be replaced through the process of evolution. Sadly, if the human race does not learn how to live at peace with one another we will be signing the death tags for our species. But the upside is that we do have the ability to evolve in a better direction, but whether or not we can make that change before we kill our species is another question. I do not believe war is part of the human race as some people say, right now it is part of our nature but just as primitive the cavemen were, we can move towards a more enlightened species that doesn't need war to advance itself.

Not trying to make this sound all rosy, to be honest, I think the human species is just a failed evolutionary animal that will be killed off like millions of other species throughout the history of this planet. Unfortunately, the human species cannot look at itself in an unbiased manor, instead the human race looks at itself as a superior being created, not through natural means, but by a divine power that will protect that species even after death. A species unafraid of extinction is a species destined for just that.

[AZExplorer]

I agree a lot with what you said. The only thing Id agrue is that war will be evolved out. I dont see that ever happening. There will always be conflict and when 2 sides refuse to budge at all, there will be war.

On a side note, I love this place. Ive never been on a web forum where people have been open to such debates without it turning into a flame fest and people insulting eachother. Its great to be able to have an adult debate without children interferring :D

[Justonevoice]

Stop these wars based on bullshit and lies!

[twoguysupnorth]

I really think enough damage has been done on a whole. Yes I would back a defensive need. But to start a war absolutely not. WE (and I mean the government) had been mediling on other countries affairs for the last 115 years. Probably even longer. We have noone to blame but ourselves(the governments we have chosen) for the way we have too living now. I have many views on this, none are great. I think that we need to try and fix a few of these problems, (which we can if we want) I'm not saying lay down and play dead by any means. But things just can't go on the way they are now. we are killing the only place we have to live. I'm not a war monger, nor am I a pasistive. These US of A have come along way and we have a great history. Yes I would love to see Peace!! But not at a cost to our lifestyle. I think there are allot of things we are not remebering. Where we came from, what our forfathers did, and why they did it. I am still proud of this country, not for what we have done recently, but for what we stand for. We are a great country, I know it doesn't seem like it lately, but we are. We need better leadership. Better Press, there are alot of things that we have done for the betterment of the world that we all have to share! That started here in the ole good US of A. I personally would like to see that sort of thing happen more. We have friends from all over the world that we have met here on the internet, and most of them feel the same way we do. "why all the fighting", "why are we at each others throats".....etc etc...... I think if "We The People" acutually had the say we are suppose too have things would be much different in this world we all share. I know there are those out there that would totally disagree, because they are making a killing on the high price of gas now. Well also for other reasons that they themselves make up. Bottom line!!! This is our world, and only we can change it. For the better or the worse. Guess its up too US. I would love to have feed back. If you can't tell I have really been hating whats been going on in the "global community" lately. Thanks for letting go on hehe

[poseidon]

Non-interventionism.. America is a great country and I've got great friends there and its always a good time.. I'd really love to see a liberated, cool America..Like when I was a kid.. now theres just way too much hostility, I mean a lot of American's are a little more scared than they should be:).. Haha, I remember the first time I went to America the first thing I fell in love with was American Children's Programs.. HAHA..

[thekhoso]

haha yeah, iran has nuclear weapons.. and then they won't find em but they'll just slay the president anyway just for the fuck of it.


no, i don't support war with iran and i don't with iraq.

[StOnEdMoNk]

personally i think every needs to get a bong rip it up shake hands and say fuck violence let us all live in peace like that would ever happen especially over there well damnit guys quit blowing ur selves up and smoke some weed u dont get laid by 7 virgins u go straight to hell and burn there hmmm hell or weed what would u choose cause pretty soon if this war shit doesnt stop theres gonna be a nuclear war worldwide and bye bye earth

[StOnEdMoNk]

not to sound negative but if this war of bullshit like terrorism there is always gonna be a terrorist never cant eliminate it always some crazy fuck will step in some1 elses shoes and take over if it keeps going every1 is gonna start bombing eachother and i can see the world ending very soon bring them home see where it goes from there and it might die down on the violence they do that shit saying get out of out country nice signs the iraqies have and besides the ones we have to worry about is the ones in america what if they r affiliated with al quaida easy access right there to blow america all the way up

[Darth Vapor]

A species unafraid of extinction is a species destined for just that.

And uh, pray tell, oh wise one... what super-intelligent species out there, is "afraid" of its own extinction? Hmm? Are there rabbits out there, saying, "No, no, no, Bob. We rabbits fear our own extinction, so we'll be fine. Those humans, though? They're screwed, because they don't fear their own extinction, like we do."
What a silly statement you made, that you intended to sound very wise, and ends up doing the complete opposite. :rolleyes:


P.S.
I can sum up the situation in the Mid East, in relation to Muslim countries vs. Israel. (By the way, to the genius pacifists on this thread, Iran is not an Arab state. They are Persian.)

1.) We support Israel, because they are the only TRUE democracy, in that armpit of the world. I like how people say that Iran has "elections." Pacifists are soooo cute!
2.) I love how pacifists say, "Peace. Love. No wars. A brotherhood and sisterhood of all people, living in peace." :hippy:
..... Yeah, right. Unless, of course, you're a woman living in a Muslim country, like Iran AND IRAQ(!!!), before we booted that butcher Saddam Hussein out. If you're a woman in those mental case Muslim countries, you get to enjoy all the "peace and love" that a government created rape room provides. Moms and Dads? You get to watch your daughters get raped multiple times, right before your eyes (bonus!), because you happened to disagree with Saddam Hussein, and somebody turned you in. But to pacifists, those women and children, moms and dads don't really count. Just as long as there's no "wars", the slaughter of the innocent is okay by them. Pacifists are just hypocrites and cowards, who hide behind cute little slogans, like "Make love, not war." Puke.

#3, and the most obvious reason Muslim countries are the ones to blame for the unrest in the world.... I'll use a hypothetical.
If all the Muslim countries of the world declared they are laying down their arms, and would not resist an attack made by Israel from this moment on, there would be peace between Israel and all its neighboring Muslim countries, within 24 hours.

If, however, Israel declared that they themselves are laying down all their own weapons, and would not resist any attack made by any Muslim country, Israel would be obliterated, within 24 hours.

[BlueCat00]

Absolutely NOT! ENOUGH FEAR! No to war with IRAN. PERIOD.

Enough Fear (http://www.enoughfear.org/)

This is a campaign to bring the voices of Iranians and Americans into a discussion that is being dominated by extremists on both sides and bringing us closer to the unthinkable: nuclear war. Our leaders continue to rattle their sabers and spread fear, but we're ready to talk, and if they won't take that first step, we will take it for them. We've had enough. Enough posturing. Enough threats. Enough fear.
The goals of our campaign are to bring Americans and Iranians together to speak to each other, and to speak out together against war.
This website is the first phase of our campaign. I joined and I hope you will to. :)

[denial102]

Which is why Iran CANNOT be allowed to aquire them.

Have a good one!:s4:
thats not very fair, the government has 1000 of them. Who are we to judge who can and who can't when we commit the attrocity ourselves.

Theres a word for that, its moronic.

Peace,
Denial

[BlueCat00]

Its all a joke anyway...Our present government has made no effort to stop nuclear proliferation in fact it has allowed nuclear secrets to leak out to other nations like Pakistan and put us in MORE danger.

Funny how they are always pointing aggression in the wrong direction. They should have been focusing on Afghanistan when they wasted our tax dollars in Iraq and now they are going after Iran when they should be securing the Nuclear weapons they allowed Pakistan to get.

So I wonder what the real reason is for the focus on Iran?
With Iraq it was control of the oil fields and control of so called US "interests"
There has to be an underlying cause for Iran. I'll have to do some research and see what I can dig up. The first place I always look is arms deals, oil fields and drug deals, all US staples.

[FreshNugz]

I'm pretty sure the "underlying cause" for Iran is that the Shah is no longer in power, and the Ayatollah is crazy...his figurehead is also nuts.
I got your points and stance on Iraq, but this is a way different thing. It's kinda like they cried wolf already, but now it's really needed...people need to learn that Iran and Iraq are different situations, and maybe this time the government actually DOES want to save your ass, just this time it's from some psycho Iranian who doesn't care what anyone thinks. He will do anything....good luck trying to be diplomatic.

[BlueCat00]

I'm pretty sure the "underlying cause" for Iran is that the Shah is no longer in power, and the Ayatollah is crazy...his figurehead is also nuts.
I got your points and stance on Iraq, but this is a way different thing. It's kinda like they cried wolf already, but now it's really needed...people need to learn that Iran and Iraq are different situations, and maybe this time the government actually DOES want to save your ass, just this time it's from some psycho Iranian who doesn't care what anyone thinks. He will do anything....good luck trying to be diplomatic.

I don't agree I have talked personally to young people in Iran they are VERY progressive. They are much more like us than the people in Iraq.
They do not want war they want open communications.

Their leader is an asshole just like our leader is.

Pakistan HAS nuclear weapons and stands a good chance of loosing control of them. They are a much larger threat in my opinion.

[8182KSKUSH]

Just to get this out there first, I am part of the right wing conspiracy, I am in a black helicopter right now!!!

No we shouldn't have a war with Iran. We shouldn't be worried about whether or not they have or are or want to develope nuclear weapons and if they will use them.

They SHOULD be worried about us using nukes on them. Remember we are the only ones that ever have and I think it's high time to do it again. All the lwbwlibs out there should be happy, we won't have a long protracted war, just turn the whole place into a glass bowl. Send some human shields over there first though, any volunteers!:S4::apachecopter::Tomcat:

[BlueCat00]

I really think enough damage has been done on a whole. Yes I would back a defensive need. But to start a war absolutely not. WE (and I mean the government) had been mediling on other countries affairs for the last 115 years. Probably even longer. We have noone to blame but ourselves(the governments we have chosen) for the way we have too living now. I have many views on this, none are great. I think that we need to try and fix a few of these problems, (which we can if we want) I'm not saying lay down and play dead by any means. But things just can't go on the way they are now. we are killing the only place we have to live. I'm not a war monger, nor am I a pasistive. These US of A have come along way and we have a great history. Yes I would love to see Peace!! But not at a cost to our lifestyle. I think there are allot of things we are not remebering. Where we came from, what our forfathers did, and why they did it. I am still proud of this country, not for what we have done recently, but for what we stand for. We are a great country, I know it doesn't seem like it lately, but we are. We need better leadership. Better Press, there are alot of things that we have done for the betterment of the world that we all have to share! That started here in the ole good US of A. I personally would like to see that sort of thing happen more. We have friends from all over the world that we have met here on the internet, and most of them feel the same way we do. "why all the fighting", "why are we at each others throats".....etc etc...... I think if "We The People" acutually had the say we are suppose too have things would be much different in this world we all share. I know there are those out there that would totally disagree, because they are making a killing on the high price of gas now. Well also for other reasons that they themselves make up. Bottom line!!! This is our world, and only we can change it. For the better or the worse. Guess its up too US. I would love to have feed back. If you can't tell I have really been hating whats been going on in the "global community" lately. Thanks for letting go on hehe


I think this is beautiful. I agree 100% :thumbsup:

Sorry it took me so long to reply...I am really busy. Obama's gonna win! Obama's gonna win....Did you hear him say we would take the LEAD in stopping global warming? Such a contrast with a president that wouldn't even sign the Kyoto treaty.

[8182KSKUSH]

I don't agree I have talked personally to young people in Iran they are VERY progressive. They are much more like us than the people in Iraq.

Maybe like you, but I don't think "most" of the general population of America would just let a true facist dictator rule indefinately. Americans don't actually put up with that despite what YOU think, and I am betting that if the Iranians your talking to heard you talk about the United States in the way that you do they would puke. And maybe you could ask them what a real facist dictator is like!:thumbsup:


I don't agree I have talked personally to young people in Iran they are VERY progressive. They are much more like us than the people in Iraq.


Maybe like you, but I don't run around saying lalalallalalalallalalalaa and sucking camel spit eating rocks! Shiiiit! That is just a joke, don't have any siezures folks, sorry to those in advance that are easily offended!:) Political satire!:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Who would sew all the worlds soccer balls if we went to war with Iran.:S2:

[psychocat]

I never fail to be amused by the "we have nukes and we aren't afraid to use them " brigade. Having weapons and being prepared to use them doesn't make you a responsible person or goverment.
It does make a dictator like Bush (telling others what they can and cannot do is DICTATING ) feel that because they have weapons that it then gives them the right to bully others.
America needs to police it's own and realise they will never be able to force others to follow thier ideals.

[FreshNugz]

Did you hear him say we would take the LEAD in stopping global warming? Such a contrast with a president that wouldn't even sign the Kyoto treaty.

He is, is he? I'll believe that when I see it. Don't be fooled by what he says...can't you see he hasn't told you HOW or WHEN? He's a dem....says he will do so many things that people want to hear...he's saying it cause he knows you want to hear it.
He's no less of a liar than any other politician, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[8182KSKUSH]

He is, is he? I'll believe that when I see it. Don't be fooled by what he says...can't you see he hasn't told you HOW or WHEN? He's a dem....says he will do so many things that people want to hear...he's saying it cause he knows you want to hear it.
He's no less of a liar than any other politician, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

How? When? Oh Details schmetails! Change!!! Woo hoo. Yes we can woo hoo, that's all the details some folks need!:D It makes me piss my self laughing about how people think "oh the first possible black president", like he is the first black man to run for president, gimme a fucking break!:woohoo::S2: