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FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 07:23 AM
I know their is allot of moral dilemmas about it, but what happen to the Robin Hoods? I mean, these days everything is insured, and some times people are so overflowing with their greed that are wreck less with their property. Don't get me wrong, you catch me in a dark alley you would probly just get a nod (considering I would probably be high as hell, and wondering why I'm in a dark alley).

I did a little math today at work and I have came to the conclusion that "taxes are strong arm robbery", The government including state and federal take a total of 25% of my monthly earnings. That is ONE FORTH of my "blood, sweat, and tears". Sure you file your taxes and get some back, but what for, I wanted it when I earned it. Uncle Sam gives it to me in April, "Here you go boy, 4-20's coming up. enjoy for about two weeks." U.S. takes 25%, that's not counting overpriced parking/moving violations, and they charge you to go anywhere. sometimes more to get back. lol, Forgot my ID one time when I went to TJ, good times. . .

I guess the point that I am really making is I can see points and Grey areas where stealing might be an option that i would not consider so shocking and wrong.

I would like to hear what you think. keep in mind that i am stoned and probly didn't make any sense. . . I was a Pirate in another life. . .:hippy:

ghosty
07-04-2007, 07:26 AM
what if all the members of can.com formed a peaceful country without taxes and legalized marijuana?

graph
07-04-2007, 07:30 AM
Taxes pay for order. Stealing is wrong on such a deeper level that it can't be justified with insurance companies and government. Stealing hurts people, and we're all people. You wouldn't want something stolen from you, don't do it to someone else, capiche?

rebgirl420
07-04-2007, 07:36 AM
^ Exactly. Beautifully put.

mamma puffpuff420
07-04-2007, 07:37 AM
stealing
it's just wrong
thats the reason in part why price's go up so high
and if u steal from an indivigual, is even worse
they probably worked hard 4 what they have
and then 2 have some1 walk in and just take it "SUCK'S"
i stole 1 time and go caught
it was extremly embaraceing
id rather work 4 what i get and have the satisfaction that i got it on my own
i catch some1 stealing from me and id brake there fucking arm's
plain and simple
would u want some1 2 take something u worked hard 2 get...hummm??
i know people that steal, and i dont want them near me

Perp
07-04-2007, 07:38 AM
Well, according to the story, Robin Hood was rich himself, and never kept any of the loot. Plus, what he stole was originally the peasant's money paid to the Sheriff because of heavy taxation. In that case, he was technically taking back what was illegally taken from the peasants. If you steal from someone who worked for and legally acquired his wealth, then that is totally wrong. .

Nightcrewman
07-04-2007, 07:44 AM
If anybody thinks there is nothing wrong with stealing then they are more than welcome to try and steal from me, if they are lucky enough to get past the dogs(extremely unlikely) they will most probably be shot once they get inside,

I work damned hard for what I own and no fucker with who thinks it's OK to help themselves as I'm insured is going to take it from me..

To the best of my knowledge Robin Hood did not steal to feed a crack cocaine habit like most of the thieving bastards about this area.

I pay taxes as well but does that give me the right to steal.

I do not see any reason that makes stealing right.

Just my opinion.

NCM

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 07:44 AM
Taxes pay for order. Stealing is wrong on such a deeper level that it can't be justified with insurance companies and government. Stealing hurts people, and we're all people. You wouldn't want something stolen from you, don't do it to someone else, capiche?

I have had thing taken from me, I'm not to going to start naming crap off but man enough to make a dent. I am positive that more has came out of my pocket s to pay for "Government Economic". You might feel that your taxes goes to things that need it, But at the same time it is being used to hold down a society . They spend the money on drug cops who profile their suspects, they take it from you so you can't afford a descent life, they spend it on Cameras/meters to hand out more tickets, they even spend it on public services like this "freeway" in my city that is growing yet becoming more useless as people are loosing their homes.

I live in Los Angeles, allot of people say that life is a little more surreal here, but I don't know. All I know is what I see, and what I see is not what life was ment to be. . .

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 07:46 AM
Well, according to the story, Robin Hood was rich himself, and never kept any of the loot. Plus, what he stole was originally the peasant's money paid to the Sheriff because of heavy taxation. In that case, he was technically taking back what was illegally taken from the peasants. If you steal from someone who worked for and legally acquired his wealth, then that is totally wrong. .

I think I am being miss understood, I live a very simple life and in no way would promote theft for wealth or self gratification. . .

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 07:54 AM
I feel that every time I pay one of these taxes, i kick another Mexican back over the border, I put another friend in jail, I put a fucking bullet in a clip of a gun where i don't know is pointing, I understand that joined funds are needed to maintain a healthy economical balance. I just don't understand why the rich keep getting richer, the poor are getting even poorer, and the middle class citizen is looking the other way or just buying into the Red light sale that is media politics. . .sigh

wayoftheleaf
07-04-2007, 08:00 AM
Bah government

graph
07-04-2007, 08:04 AM
I have had thing taken from me, I'm not to going to start naming crap off but man enough to make a dent. I am positive that more has came out of my pocket s to pay for "Government Economic". You might feel that your taxes goes to things that need it, But at the same time it is being used to hold down a society . They spend the money on drug cops who profile their suspects, they take it from you so you can't afford a descent life, they spend it on Cameras/meters to hand out more tickets, they even spend it on public services like this "freeway" in my city that is growing yet becoming more useless as people are loosing their homes.

I live in Los Angeles, allot of people say that life is a little more surreal here, but I don't know. All I know is what I see, and what I see is not what life was ment to be. . .

I live in LA too. It's not surreal, it's unreal. Nobody's working on any freeway, and that's the problem. The 405 entrance on Ventura's three years away from completion or something.

If you had things stolen from you (not drugs) you should call the cops. If somebody's stealing drugs from you, buy a gun. When my neighbor pointed a gun to my head, I called the cops and they took the bad person away. They did their job, risking their safety for me. Thank God there are people who do that for the both of us.

Also, people die or get hurt when they speed or run red lights. SOME things are illegal for a reason, you know?

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 08:10 AM
Ok so lets break it down, their are an estimated 301,139,947 people in this country who pay taxes as of July 2007. I'm going to get a calculator, feel free to do this at home.

Imagine an average salary of say $150000 a year. this is just a random number and I think it's kinda low but whatever. 25% of that is $37,500. thats $11,292,748,012,500 a year. . . . .

rebgirl420
07-04-2007, 08:20 AM
WTF where do you live where 150 thousand a year is low!? Jesus, I only make 40 thousand a year as a college student with a little over minimum wage job! If it wasn't for John having money and paying for all my stuff id be screwed! Hell the gov. takes away 30 some percent of everything I ever make. And what REALLY pisses me off is the death tax! WTF? You have to pay a tax for dying? Hell thats double taxation which is illegal. BC every red cent of what you get in inheritence was already taxed!

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 08:21 AM
I live in LA too. It's not surreal, it's unreal. Nobody's working on any freeway, and that's the problem. The 405 entrance on Ventura's three years away from completion or something.

If you had things stolen from you (not drugs) you should call the cops. If somebody's stealing drugs from you, buy a gun. When my neighbor pointed a gun to my head, I called the cops and they took the bad person away. They did their job, risking their safety for me. Thank God there are people who do that for the both of us.

Also, people die or get hurt when they speed or run red lights. SOME things are illegal for a reason, you know?

their is allot more thought put into it than just safety. . . I don't believe in the government like I use to, I would die for my country and my people but for politics. I don't really know what part of town you grew up on but this is a joke. people are afraid of cops when they have nothing to hide, this is a joke. I think this government, our establishment, the entire way human beings think needs an overhaul (well maybe just Americans, never really been anywhere else for long enough). We need to stop thinking about how good we can make our own life, and start thinking about how we can make life better. . .

A THIEF IN A WHITE COLLAR IS JUST A THIEF WITH NO SHAME.

graph
07-04-2007, 08:25 AM
That's cool. Why don't you do the amount of people on welfare, or currently receiving a check from the government next? Do they have those on your conspiracy websites?

If you're trying to say money's being lost somewhere, well duh. It's being lost into the pockets of corrupt politicians, but that's government, baby. King John was stealing money, so the rick people made the magna carta. We have our bill of rights, which tries to protect the people from the government. It's not the best, but we're also not being bombed in our subways. Give and take.

And if you think 150,000 is low, then you don't have a job or at least not a real one. That is considered high class. I know, I don't make anywhere near that.

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 08:26 AM
WTF where do you live where 150 thousand a year is low!? Jesus, I only make 40 thousand a year as a college student with a little over minimum wage job! If it wasn't for John having money and paying for all my stuff id be screwed! Hell the gov. takes away 30 some percent of everything I ever make. And what REALLY pisses me off is the death tax! WTF? You have to pay a tax for dying? Hell thats double taxation which is illegal. BC every red cent of what you get in inheritance was already taxed!

That's exactly what I mean, our country does not need that much money, for every minuet detail. 30% of your life that the government decided to take from you from the day you were born. Not that they took it then, but that slap on the ass sure must of been degrading. . .lol :stoned:

Let me live my own life for one year, just one year to keep and dispense my earnings in a way that I deem fit. That's all i really want. . .

rebgirl420
07-04-2007, 08:26 AM
hey its every man and women for themselves. Its not my job to provide for anyone else. I give money to my selected charities and thats it. My family raised me with a good work ethic and the knowledge that no one owes you a damn thing, nothing is free, and you'll have to work for every damn penny you earn.

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 08:31 AM
That's cool. Why don't you do the amount of people on welfare, or currently receiving a check from the government next? Do they have those on your conspiracy websites?

If you're trying to say money's being lost somewhere, well duh. It's being lost into the pockets of corrupt politicians, but that's government, baby. King John was stealing money, so the rick people made the magna carta. We have our bill of rights, which tries to protect the people from the government. It's not the best, but we're also not being bombed in our subways. Give and take.

LOL, i have never been to a "conspiracy website" in my life. I guess if no one backed the government it would probably stop so keep up the good work. I am giving my personal beliefs on a system that I feel is flawed, and has been flaw for centuries. Dating back to this countries birth to the birth of the dirty politics that made our government what it is today. . .

I did 150,000 as an estimation feel free to see what your wage does for the country. . .

^no one owes you a thing, but you owe your country.

graph
07-04-2007, 08:37 AM
How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child. When your freedom is taken, when your safety net is shattered, you'll see it like I did.

Anyone who estimates 150,000 does not have a real connection to the people. I'm sorry, but if you think that's what the average American makes, you do not have enough of an understanding about the average American. I'm really sorry, that's my opinion.

jdub61
07-04-2007, 08:38 AM
average salary is probably pretty close to 45,000 a year, depending on where you live. i live in a pretty affluent area, it's probably closer to 55,000 here.

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 08:38 AM
25%, Just imagine uncle Sam coming up to you and taking an eight of the half Oz. you just scored. . . Now that would be a sad day. . .

S.P.Q.R.
07-04-2007, 08:40 AM
I steal... just not from respectable people ;)

I buy everything when I go into a store though.. no sense in risking a large fine by stealing something I can pay little money for..

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 08:40 AM
How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child. When your freedom is taken, when your safety net is shattered, you'll see it like I did.

What freedom? what safety net? last time i checked the only problem with society is the people in it trying to take control. Life can be as simple as you make it. . .

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 08:43 AM
average salary is probably pretty close to 45,000 a year, depending on where you live. i live in a pretty affluent area, it's probably closer to 55,000 here.

ok with $45g it's $3,387,824,403,750.

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 08:48 AM
It is hard to think about this since it is the 4th, but i just kinda need to let off some steam. let me say it again, i care for this country and i only want to see it prosper, but not with guilty and hatred pilling as high as the wealth.

graph
07-04-2007, 08:48 AM
Then sell your computer, move out to the middle of nowhere and fend for yourself. Then go to a library and reply to this message. When you can stop living IN the system you seem to hate so much, then at least you have some credibility.

You've never called 911. You've never needed it like I have, and you're not some trained killer who doesn't need it. Is this more politics or what?

I am not pro-anything I do not fully agree with. But to know people are out there dying for my safety, and to know you just don't see them doing that for you, it's sad.

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 09:01 AM
Then sell your computer, move out to the middle of nowhere and fend for yourself. Then go to a library and reply to this message. When you can stop living IN the system you seem to hate so much, then at least you have some credibility.

You've never called 911. You've never needed it like I have, and you're not some trained killer who doesn't need it. Is this more politics or what?

hey, I didn't know I was talking to one of those "if you don't like it, then git out" types. I believe in our people, I'm sorry i can't follow politics I don't agree with.

In fact, i have never phoned 911 for myself, only others. i have been luck enough to have people to take me to a hospital where i fork over plenty. Oh, thats right, heath insurance is mandatory also. . . and no, i can box a little but far from a trained fighter.

i go camping for about 10 days every year and i think it's the best time in my life. A man can have a garden, a fishing pole, and shelter to be set for life. The only problem is that people around this man feel he need to share, and somewhere along the line, "share" turned into "help me get rich". I'm guessing it took place somewhere along the B.C. era but whatever the case. People shouldn't believe in the greater good, they should believe in greatness as a whole. Which is community decisions, and State govern. All those amendments are to us now is small print on a contract to your sole.

Runaway Jim
07-04-2007, 09:02 AM
Yeah, i kinda got arrested for felony theft last week... i made some stupid decisions and stole a fair amount of shit, and got caught for it. I feel bad i guess, but shit i just hope i get off easy. its a first time offense, my first arrest, and im a nice 16 year old kid with a good lawyer.

rebgirl420
07-04-2007, 09:03 AM
You sound like a socialist haha

graph
07-04-2007, 09:07 AM
It's not "if you don't like it, git out", it's "you don't know what you got til it's gone"

Don't dig so deep. Everyone's just trying to have a good time before they die. Like you're looking out for the greater good? Not with that 150,000 year guess of yours, which says you don't know the plight of the people. Again, sorry, but there it is.

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 09:12 AM
Then sell your computer, move out to the middle of nowhere and fend for yourself. Then go to a library and reply to this message. When you can stop living IN the system you seem to hate so much, then at least you have some credibility.

You've never called 911. You've never needed it like I have, and you're not some trained killer who doesn't need it. Is this more politics or what?

I am not pro-anything I do not fully agree with. But to know people are out there dying for my safety, and to know you just don't see them doing that for you, it's sad.

Well i don't really appreciate that considering I am ready to volunteer, and my family has a long line of men and women who have served this county. I have an understanding of what it is like to fight for people from what i have been told. I have heard the WW2 stories of shitty conditions and propaganda spins, I was told about the Korean war and why shrapnel is the only thing that my uncle and father have to remember their time in Vietnam. My dad taught me the real spirit of this country, if you want to understand the world. Look into the eyes of a man that has been taken from his life in a draft, gets fucked from behind by a grenade, takes spit and rejection from the people he just finished fighting for, and still raises three kids on a printers salary, since thats what the army decided to teach him, he had no option. my dad told me that to deny your country is like to deny you family, but when it came to government he called bullshit when it needed to be called. . .

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 09:20 AM
These are a few truth's that no one wants to realize. . .

VOTING DOESN'T WORK

TAXES ARE STEALING

THE FBI HAS A FILE ON ALL OF YOU

YOU ARE WORTH A WHOLE LOT MORE IF YOU DOING WHAT YOU TOLD. . .

none of this is paranoia because I lead a pretty happy life, I am always broke as hell but i make do with good herb, good friend, and a place i call my own. my declared yearly earnings are only around $30g right now, and with rent and every thing I'd be lucky to have an extra $500 a month. Again I am still in school, and only 21 so whatever. . .

graph
07-04-2007, 09:23 AM
from what i have been told. I have heard. . .

That is all that needs to be quoted for me to prove my point. I am SO sorry, but that's it. I know firsthand, when you learn, you'll have your finger up the government's ass like I do. Until then, be the freedom fighter because you're the one who's gonna change the status quo. But I'm the one who's protecting it, you know?

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 09:28 AM
That is all that needs to be quoted for me to prove my point. I am SO sorry, but that's it. I know firsthand, when you learn, you'll have your finger up the government's ass like I do. Until then, be the freedom fighter because you're the one who's gonna change the status quo. But I'm the one who's protecting it, you know?

I don't know how experienced you are but obviously you don't believe in evolution. Seriously, why would everything in the world change but the way to is run. You need to open your eyes to more than what is just happening to you. Their are people here that are getting the total shit end of the stick because their are so many people like you going around saying it's our only hope(exaggeration). . .

And I'm sorry but I can't live for 100's of years, and unless you can, everything you say is also hear say. A story that was told to you from a certain perspective.

dude your scared to wave you country's flag on you post bar, do you have anything to hide from the government? Do you think you should have to hide it?

graph
07-04-2007, 10:14 AM
Stop pointing the finger and blaming me and come up with some counterpoints so we can continue this argument. I totally understand I pulled the same shit with my last post, but if we're to educate each other we gotta stop with that. I'm a hypocrite too, let's move on.

I guess my next point is gonna be then, how is order through anarchy? Stealing suggests denial of the basic morals of humans, which leads to anarchy, no? If that is not what you mean, please give me a DETAILED description otherwise. Believe me, I will read the whole thing.

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 10:29 AM
Well first off you have given no regard to any of the questions. You talk like you know what you are talking about, but have not spoken of any real experience.

My bad bud i don't really mean to come off so hostile but i really hate when people put down what i have to say without anything to back it up.

I believe that this country could of been something great but has made a turn toward tyrant. Our people have always had "good intentions", but their has always been a unspoken profit that is draining our people of simple pleasures. Like waking up in the morning and know that you don't have dept, or smoking a plant without Johnny law on your ass trying to give you 2-5. . .

This country has a very dirty history, but I guess every country that's big now does. My family didn't join till the 1900, even though the roots run back to California before it was a state. . .

Also, stealing has very primal roots. From a lion stealing a zebras life to eat, to a badger forcing a gofer out its hole for shelter. People talk like stealing is so terrible, but only picture it as themselves getting robbed. I think about people with major amounts of money, people you know have stepped on toes to get what they have. . .

graph
07-04-2007, 10:37 AM
I'd like to see these questions, perhaps in bullet point so I can answer every single one for you. Sometimes it becomes convoluded in a post. I know, I spelled that wrong.

And stealing is wrong, sweetheart, I don't think there's anyone here who's saying otherwise. Fight the system as much as you want, just don't take from the people running that system, which is people like you and me, right?

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 10:45 AM
^ok, don't point fingers but you can still talk down to me, something tells me I'm waisting my energy on you. . .

i don't really consider myself a prisoner of this society but a do feel close.

but like I said, stealing is wrong through the eyes of the beholder. morals only go as far as you can trow them. I don't know if you read all of my posts but I thought i made myself clear. . .The wrong people have to much control, and all the other people are just along for the ride. . .

I don't know how old you are, but i think it is safe to assume that 70 years from now you will not be alive, but what will continue is your countries legacy, and do you really think things are going to get better before they get worst.

LIP
07-04-2007, 10:48 AM
what if all the members of can.com formed a peaceful country without taxes and legalized marijuana?

That'd be called Heaven on Earth.

graph
07-04-2007, 10:52 AM
Yeah kid, you're waisting your time on me. And in 70 years I'll hopefully be dead in the ground, caring as little about this country as I do my (hopefully) loving wife. Dead people can't really care about shit, you know? And I hope one day you learn it's not about the government, but the people behind it? Trying to live their lives as honestly as they can, trying not to be a burden on society, but doing what they think is right?

It's wrong to steal.

LIP why have you not posted in my coming home thread yet?

FreeVenice
07-04-2007, 11:02 AM
Now I'm a kid thanks. Should I start calling you boss, Sr. maybe. . .

It's sad to me that you do not understand the point i was making, but w/e. I don't need to change everyones mind.

I suggest you pick up a history book and find out what your missing, maybe even see where history repeats itself because of conformists and their puppets. . .

LIP
07-04-2007, 11:13 AM
Yeah kid, you're waisting your time on me. And in 70 years I'll hopefully be dead in the ground, caring as little about this country as I do my (hopefully) loving wife. Dead people can't really care about shit, you know? And I hope one day you learn it's not about the government, but the people behind it? Trying to live their lives as honestly as they can, trying not to be a burden on society, but doing what they think is right?

It's wrong to steal.

LIP why have you not posted in my coming home thread yet?


I didnt see it lol! I'll have a scout about now.