An alleged "cure" for cancer

[MrNiceGuy420]

Vitamin B-17 / Amygdalin / Laetrile

the pharmacudical companies hate me:D. they would be screwed if people knew they could prevent/treat cancer by eating raw bitter apricot seeds.

World Without Cancer - worldwithoutcancer.org.uk - B17 Laetrile Vitamin B-17 (http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/index.html)

[bong_man]

dont apricot seeds + apple seeds etc contain cyanide? not cool man lol

[MrNiceGuy420]

ummmm yeah...you didnt read enough

Laetrile and the Life Saving Substance Called Cyanide
by Philip Binzel, Jr., M.D.

A doctor from the U.S. FDA once said that Laetrile contains "free" hydrogen cyanide and, thus, is toxic. I would like to correct that misconception:

There is no "free" hydrogen cyanide in Laetrile. When Laetrile comes in contact with the enzyme beta-glucosidase, the Laetrile is broken down to form two molecules of glucose, one molecule of benzaldehyde and one molecule of hydrogen cyanide (HCN). Within the body, the cancer cell-and only the cancer cell-contains that enzyme. The key word here is that the HCN must be FORMED. It is not floating around freely in the Laetrile and then released. It must be manufactured. The enzyme beta glucosidase, and only that enzyme, is capable of manufacturing the HCN from Laetrile. If there are no cancer cells in the body, there is no beta-glucosidase. If there is no beta-glucosidase, no HCN will be formed from the Laetrile (1).

Laetrile does contain the cyanide radical (CN). This same cyanide radical is contained in Vitamin B12, and in berries such as blackberries, blueberries and strawberries. You never hear of anyone getting cyanide poisoning from 12 or any of the above-mentioned berries, because they do not. The cyanide radical (CW) and hydrogen cyanide (HCN) are two completely different compounds, just as pure sodium (Na+) - one of the most toxic substances known to mankind - and sodium chloride (NaCl), which is table salt, are two completely different compounds.

[onequestion]

Verdict?

[bong_man]

i didn't actually read any of it to be honest lmfao seems pretty interesting :) I don't really understand haha

[MrNiceGuy420]

oh hah....i was very skeptical at first but, i think i might have to order some raw bitter apricot seeds, and eat them everyday because i dont want cancer haha.

they have to be bitter though because B-17 is bitter and alot of foods that used to be bitter are modified so they arnt...which may be why so many people do not get vitamin b-17, and eventually get cancer. and they have to be raw and not sun dried because sun drying breaks down the b-17

[thcbongman]

Considering the traditional method of treating cancer is to run poisons through an IV, it's not as far-fetched as you think.

[birdgirl73]

Laetrile has been around for many decades. And many thousands of Americans and people from other countries have sought its treatment for cancer outside the United States with little to no success. Don't you think that if it worked, even if it were not allowed for treatment here, it'd be a well-known fact around the world in other places?

It's not. And there's a reason why. If you read the link above, then please read the link below, too. I've personally known eight cancer patients who sought laetrile treatment in other countries, and all eight of them are dead today.

The Rise and Fall of Laetrile (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/laetrile.html)

Do a Google search on "laetrile" and read all about it for yourself. It's not new. It's not an effective cancer treatment or preventative. If it were, it'd be used by millions with great success, whether it were legal in this country or not. It was bogus 50 years ago, and it still is.

[MrNiceGuy420]

i dont believe a word of what you said birdgirl. why? because if the FDA and big pharma want to cover something up, they will very easily. Why would they not want people to know about this? because they make alot of money off of chemo, radiation, and surgury. Everyone who smokes weed should already know how much they hate natural medecines, AND also everyone who smokes weed should know, even for the safest medicines, people can come up with negative results. Im not doubting the fact that you know 8 people who have tried it and died, but like thcbongman said, the current method is pumping you full of poison that harms your entire body..not just the cancer, harmfull radiation, or expensive surgury that isnt always an option

i know if i ever got cancer, i would imediately start eating apricot seeds, if i see it isnt helping then ill use orthodox medicine

[rebgirl420]

Well coming from someone who HAS cancer id say your freaking crazy

[birdgirl73]

You don't have to believe me. You just need to read both sides of the argument before you go buying into a quack cure that hasn't been proven to save any lives.

Tell you what, if you get cancer, you eat all the apricot seeds you want. Just don't go telling others to do the same thing till they've read both sides of that argument and looked at the real results. Like I said, laetrile isn't new at all. And if it worked like the magic cure its touters want to believe it is, it would be used widely around the world. It isn't. That's not my opinion. That's fact.

[slowlickitysplit]

much as it pains me, I'm going to have to agree with birdgirl (J/K). I remember reading about this back in the late 80's and I have to believe that if it held any merit we would have heard more about it.

- Slow -

[rebgirl420]

exactly bird girl, I think I would rather trust my life to my oncologist than some dried fruit.

[birdgirl73]

Reb, I've always wondered on your Hodgkin's. Are you considered "cured"? Has it been five years yet? Or are you considered in remission?

[rebgirl420]

remission actually, for about 3 years now. Though the tests still happen. But the longer im good the less I have to go

[birdgirl73]

Yey for remission! Here's to five years. Then 10. Then 50 and 75. Actually, I think that's a shoe-in. Childhood Hodgkins has one of the best cure rates there is. Thank goodness for that!

[rebgirl420]

Yeah thats what the doctor said when I was first diagnosed. He said, "Theres good news and bad news, the bad news is your daughter has stage 3 Hodgekins lymphoma. The good nbews is that the cure rate is strong and growing.". Lucky for me haha.I still had to have chemo and radiation for 3 years though.

[Perp]

Lobotomies used to be accepted as a cure for many maladies. We now know that to be wrong, and that it did more harm than good. The same will eventually be found of present day cancer cures. But don't take my word for it. The truth is the cure for cancer was found decades ago by a man named Royal Rife. Don't believe it if you don't want to, but the facts are verifiable.
As to why millions of people aren't using it now is simple; money. But I won't go into details. If you want to know about the medical racket a good place to start is here:
The Medical Racket (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm)
Verify the references at the bottom of the page to see if the author of this paper is truthful with his facts. I'm sure you'll find that he is.
Here are some telling quotes from Nobel prize winning doctors. Verify them if you do not believe it.


"Everybody should know that the 'war on cancer' is largely a fraud, and that the NCI and the ACS are derelict in their duties to the American people who support them." - Linus Pauling 1954 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for "his research into the nature of the chemical bond and its application to the elucidation of the structure of complex substances," and 1962 Nobel Peace Prize.

"(The National Cancer Program is) a bunch of (obscenity)."

"The American public is being sold a very nasty bill of goods about cancer." - James Watson, co-discoverer of the DNA double helix, and 1962 Nobel Laureate in Medicine for that discovery and related work.

"The American Cancer Society tried to ruin my research foundation." - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, discoverer of vitamins C and P, 1937 Nobel Prize ," for his discoveries in connection with the biological combustion process, with special reference to Vitamin C and the catalysis of fumaric acid."

"The American Cancer Society has done the American public a really great disservice." - Dr. David Baltimore, 1975 Nobel Laureate in Medicine for, "their discoveries concerning the interaction between tumor viruses and the genetic material of the cell."

[Perp]

The American Cancer Societyâ??s Unproven Methods in Cancer Management is the cancer industryâ??s black list. People who are listed in that book can pretty much consider their career finished. The people on that list go to prison, get shot at, have their licenses revoked, that sort of thing. The ACS is an integral part of the racket.

Ralph Moss is the most conservative writer on alternative cancer methods working today. He has a doctorate in biochemistry, and was a science writer for the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. He was originally a big believer in chemotherapy and the war on cancer. He gradually became disillusioned, and when Sloan-Kettering essentially lied about their research results with Laetrile, Moss called a press conference in 1977 to publicize the positive Laetrile results by one of the world's most respected cancer researchers, Kanematsu Sugiura, who did his research at Sloan-Kettering. Although silenced by his employers, Sugiura never backed down from his findings. Sloan-Kettering fired Moss the next day.[196] Although Moss has written extensively about Sloan-Kettering in his subsequent work, I have never seen or heard of Moss uttering a bitter word about Sloan-Kettering.

In chapter six of The Cancer Industry, Moss dismembered the ACS' Unproven Methods blacklist, and he did it like the gentleman he is. As with the best critiques of such things, Moss lets the ACS hang themselves with their own rope. The ACS used to call their Unproven Methods Committee the "Committee on Quackery." Their descriptions of those practitioners of those â??unproven methodsâ?� include, "ignorant, uneducated, misguided persons, to highly educated scientists who are out of their area of competence supporting a particular form of treatment. A few hold Ph.D. or M.D. degrees."[197] Then Moss analyzed the credentials of those on the Unproven Methods list, and found that 77% of them have either M.D.s, often from major medical schools, or scientific doctorates. Moss dryly summarizes the ACS position on the credentials of those on the black list, "Recall, however, that the ACS primer on unproven methods states that 'a few' hold M.D. or Ph.D. degrees; a few in this case is 77%."[198]

It does not get any better for the ACS and its list. The Unproven Methods list calls to mind the Inquisition's Index. The list is one of the most concrete indicators of the racket's existence. In one Unproven Methods list, of sixty-three methods on the list, 44% of them were not investigated at all by any independent agency before making the list. In 11% of the cases, the investigative results were positive.[199] In only one case that I am aware of, was an Unproven Method subject to a medical double-blind study, which is the only way, according to the medical establishment's own rules, that it could be proven or disproven (something that the orthodox treatments have never really been subject to).[200] In that case, with laetrile, the trial was arguably rigged.

Here is the classic Catch-22. If they never test an Unproven Method, there is no chance that the treatment could ever be proven, according to their standards. Then states pass laws outlawing the use of an Unproven Method, and about ten states have criminal laws where the doctor can go to jail for even recommending it to a patient. That is why I call it a racket. It is designed so that there never can be any competition to cut-burn-poison methods of cancer "treatment." It is a totally insulated racket, engaging in circular logic to wipe out the threat of an actual cure appearing on the scene, and the United States is called a free nation.


I admit, the truth is hard to swallow. That's why nothing will ever change.

[onequestion]

I hate hearing these kinds of things where they say cures have been discovered. It confuses me because there is really no way for me to know which is true. On one hand i wouldnt put it past the drug companies to lie about certain cures but on the other hand, I know for sure that some people are cured by these companies drugs. I just dont know what im gonna do if i ever get cancer.

[rebgirl420]

I know that REAL drugs made my cancer go into remission. Things like experimental chemo and radiation and pills and shots cured me. And I am 100 , no 125 percent sure that if I just ate fruit and did these other nutjob cures id be dead rightnow.

[Perp]

First of all, I'm truly sorry that you have cancer and are made to go through chemo. But, sure, you are cured, but at what cost? Do you feel good after chemo? How much money does it cost your family/insurance? If it could be done at a fraction of the cost and discomfort, would you not opt for that treatment? Specifically, how do you feel about this


In one Unproven Methods list, of sixty-three methods on the list, 44% of them were not investigated at all by any independent agency before making the list. In 11% of the cases, the investigative results were positive.[199] In only one case that I am aware of, was an Unproven Method subject to a medical double-blind study, which is the only way, according to the medical establishment's own rules, that it could be proven or disproven (something that the orthodox treatments have never really been subject to).[200] In that case, with laetrile, the trial was arguably rigged.

Seriously, do you have any proof other than "I know in my mind that their methods cured me and other methods wouldn't have." Do you think those Nobel Laureate doctors are quacks?

Why don't more doctors speak out? Because they are black listed, lose their license, or get thrown in jail. Medicines' the name and money's the game.

[Perp]

Look, I'm not even arguing about whether or not the alternative methods work. I just want to know why the American Cancer Society feels the need to suppress information and testing of said methods, and in the case of laetrile, why "the trial was arguably rigged?" This alone should cause people to question the establishment.

I was watching Leno and he had as a guest an old woman, I think she was 104, who had shot a hole in one in golf. Leno asked what her secret was to a long and healthy life. She replied, "stay away from doctors" and everyone laughed. She looked a little puzzled by the audience reaction. Like, what's so funny?

[BabyFacedAbortion]

At this point you're being rude and annoying. No offense.

[Perp]

At this point you're being rude and annoying. No offense.

In what way?

[rebgirl420]

Well I know that my docotors at childrens hospital used the experimental chemo and the radiation and such b/c it does work. B/c of the doctors that treated me and others like them the rate fro my cancers survival rate is huge! 10 years ago it was a death sentance but thanks to the wonders of science im fine, my kids will be fine, and ill (hopefully) live a nice, long life. Now why would I go and risk my life to all these radical treatments? Especially when I know the doctors know what their doing with what they have. And yes, I did feel like shit after chemo. My hair fell out, I was puffy, the steroids made me lose a bunch of weight but you know what? It was really worth it at the end. Im healthy now, my hairs back and long and im a normal young adult.

[Perp]

Once again, I am sympathetic to your condition. And, I know that chemotherapy does work at various levels of success, and I'm happy that you beat your cancer.
I never said to risk your life, and I wouldn't expect you to. All I'm saying is that there could be, and should be, more testing and study done on alternative methods. As it is now, the American Cancer Society does not even allow it.

[rebgirl420]

B/c almost all of that crap, like light therapy and shit doesnt work? Why fix something that works so damn well?

[Perp]

You're saying chemotherapy works so well we don't even need to look for anything better? Sorry, we will have to agree to disagree.

[rebgirl420]

No im not saying that. What I mean is that they have tested the other stuff and it just doesnt compare to what they use now.

[LIP]

dont apricot seeds + apple seeds etc contain cyanide? not cool man lol

Alot of things do. Almond nuts do.

[thcbongman]

Once again, I am sympathetic to your condition. And, I know that chemotherapy does work at various levels of success, and I'm happy that you beat your cancer.
I never said to risk your life, and I wouldn't expect you to. All I'm saying is that there could be, and should be, more testing and study done on alternative methods. As it is now, the American Cancer Society does not even allow it.

I agree with you 100%.

Chemotherapy and surgery got rid of my cancer. However, there's something about the entire industry that sickens me. It seems like they do more to promote their services than actually trying to find a cure.

[Delta9 UK]

However, there's something about the entire industry that sickens me. It seems like they do more to promote their services than actually trying to find a cure.

Indeed, cure cancer = no industry

Worth considering

[FakeBoobsRule]

Vitamin B-17 / Amygdalin / Laetrile

the pharmacudical companies hate me:D. they would be screwed if people knew they could prevent/treat cancer by eating raw bitter apricot seeds.



oh hah....i was very skeptical at first but, i think i might have to order some raw bitter apricot seeds, and eat them everyday because i dont want cancer haha.

they have to be bitter though because B-17 is bitter and alot of foods that used to be bitter are modified so they arnt...which may be why so many people do not get vitamin b-17, and eventually get cancer. and they have to be raw and not sun dried because sun drying breaks down the b-17

Yes, you solved it, there is a worldwide conspiracy out to get us. You keep promoting laetrile yet you aren't even getting your facts straight. You keep saying bitter apricots, its not bitter apricots. It is bitter almonds or apricots seeds, not bitter apricots. You keep saying bitter this bitter that but you aren't even quoting your own website correctly. :rolleyes:"

I am just going to post this abstract on a study on laetrile for starters.

N Engl J Med. 1982 Jan 28;306(4):201-6

A clinical trial of amygdalin (Laetrile) in the treatment of human cancer.

Moertel CG, Fleming TR, Rubin J, Kvols LK, Sarna G, Koch R, Currie VE, Young CW, Jones SE, Davignon JP.



One hundred seventy-eight patients with cancer were treated with amygdalin (Laetrile) plus a "metabolic therapy" program consisting of diet, enzymes, and vitamins. The great majority of these patients were in good general condition before treatment. None was totally disabled or in preterminal condition. One third had not received any previous chemotherapy. The pharmaceutical preparations of amygdalin, the dosage, and the schedule were representative of past and present Laetrile practice. No substantive benefit was observed in terms of cure, improvement or stabilization of cancer, improvement of symptoms related to cancer, or extension of life span. The hazards of amygdalin therapy were evidenced in several patients by symptoms of cyanide toxicity or by blood cyanide levels approaching the lethal range. Patients exposed to this agent should be instructed about the danger of cyanide poisoning, and their blood cyanide levels should be carefully monitored. Amygdalin (Laetrile) is a toxic drug that is not effective as a cancer treatment.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Indeed, cure cancer = no industry

Worth considering


It's also worth considering that all the people involved in cancer research aren't a big faceless entity we can easily refere to as "them". Every researcher out there, working in the labs and even at home to find a cure, are human beings who went into this to try to help people. It's easy to imagine mass cover ups when you refere to the pharamceutical/medical industries as "they", it's not so easy when you realize that there's several companies, tens of thousands of researchers, and they all hold individual thoughts. You can't very shut up each and every one of the people researching this stuff for love of dear profit, somebody is going to flip them the bird and bring that cure to the first company, hell even the first herbalist, who realises they could make a huge profit with a monopoly on the cure for cancer. You simply can't shut them all up. Heck, the DEA still can't shut up Alexander Shulgin!

[Delta9 UK]

It's also worth considering that all the people involved in cancer research aren't a big faceless entity we can easily refere to as "them". Every researcher out there, working in the labs and even at home to find a cure, are human beings who went into this to try to help people. It's easy to imagine mass cover ups when you refere to the pharamceutical/medical industries as "they", it's not so easy when you realize that there's several companies, tens of thousands of researchers, and they all hold individual thoughts. You can't very shut up each and every one of the people researching this stuff for love of dear profit, somebody is going to flip them the bird and bring that cure to the first company, hell even the first herbalist, who realises they could make a huge profit with a monopoly on the cure for cancer. You simply can't shut them all up. Heck, the DEA still can't shut up Alexander Shulgin!

Indeed this is true, I was once one of "them" working as a Medical Microbiologist for a diagnostic company....

For a little bit I even did a stint at Porton Down and CAMR :wtf:

Silence - maybe not, but re-direction! Be sure ;)

This thread does have the air of paranoid conspiracy though - see what you mean, I didn't quite mean my post to be so "Stick it to the Man"

Oh, and cancer sucks.

[ZeldaG.]

Seriously i wouldnt believe half of this bullshit about those cures for cancer,

If i hadnt started reading into the marijuana arguement, and i mean the way they chat pure garbage about cannabis it is totally unimaginable, that is what is so hard to get across to many people that what you hear from the government is 90% fiction, its like most people dont want to look at the truth.

:( See for some reason i think cnacer has been covered up, big time, in ways i cant even imagine.

(also anyone ever watch stuff about the hiv conspiracies, its those type of things and the whole cannabis ''cover up'' that get me thinking that these magical cures may actually exist,



It's also worth considering that all the people involved in cancer research aren't a big faceless entity we can easily refere to as "them". Every researcher out there, working in the labs and even at home to find a cure, are human beings who went into this to try to help people. It's easy to imagine mass cover ups when you refere to the pharamceutical/medical industries as "they", it's not so easy when you realize that there's several companies, tens of thousands of researchers, and they all hold individual thoughts. You can't very shut up each and every one of the people researching this stuff for love of dear profit, somebody is going to flip them the bird and bring that cure to the first company, hell even the first herbalist, who realises they could make a huge profit with a monopoly on the cure for cancer. You simply can't shut them all up. Heck, the DEA still can't shut up Alexander Shulgin!


See its the people that you cant shut up, that post the internet articles, but in the longrun forums like this call their articles bullshit and even thsoe get shut up sooner or later... :S