Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution

[Psycho4Bud]

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The mother of a US man whose 2006 execution took 86 minutes and involved sticking needles into him 19 times has sued the prison team which oversaw the execution for civil rights violations.

On Monday Irma Clark filed suit in the Cincinnati, Ohio, district court, alleging her son Joseph Clark was exposed to "excessive suffering" violating the US constitution when he was put to death on May 2, 2006, at a state prison in Lucasville, Ohio, according to court documents.

The suit claims that two prison administrators and 12 members of the execution team ignored the fact that Clark, who had been sentenced to death for a 1984 murder, had long been an intravenous drug user making it difficult to carry out the execution by lethal injection.
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070703/ts_alt_afp/usexecutionsuit)

Clark, 47, of West Providence Township, was charged in April 2005 in connection with the disappearance and death of Notestine. She was last seen on April 30, 2000, as she was dragged into a car by a man allegedly fitting Clarkâ??s description.

The only witness to the kidnapping was Notestineâ??s son, Logan, who was 4 years old at the time.

There was no trace of the woman until spring 2004, when her skeletal remains were found by a logger in a remote area of West Providence Township. The site was about five miles from the Monroe Township mobile home Notestine shared with Ronald Grubb and their two children.
The Tribune Democrat, Johnstown, PA - Murder-case prosecution dealt setback (http://www.tribune-democrat.com/local/local_story_183234426.html)

It only took 86 minutes? That 4 year old has a lifetime to remember his mother being drug off to her death.

My ass bleeds buttermilk for scum like this!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Coelho]

It only took 86 minutes? That 4 year old has a lifetime to remember his mother being drug off to her death.

My ass bleeds buttermilk for scum like this!

Evil does not justify evil. And death is a price too great for anything else.

[Oil_Man]

Evil does not justify evil. And death is a price too great for anything else.

no, u kill some1, u deserve to die, u steal somthin u deserve somthin stolen from u...

Eye for an Eye

[darklyscanner]

cruel and unusual punishment

[rebgirl420]

Yeah I wont shed a damn tear. She complains that THIS was inhumane? What about his freaking victim!? That was 1,000 times worse. The needle wasnt inhumane enough if you ask me

[Spoken Word]

Evil does not justify evil. And death is a price too great for anything else.
Murderers and pedophiles do not deserve your words.
And death happends all the time. Some people deserve it.

as for the lady bringing justice to court. that's ridiculous. but everyone sues for everything..

[bong_man]

but the only witness was a 4 year old? how did they even know it was him? America is such a funny country, a bullet to the head would do the trick no need for the torture!

[Coelho]

no, u kill some1, u deserve to die, u steal somthin u deserve somthin stolen from u...
Eye for an Eye

Then, the members of the execution team should be killed too, because they killed someone, even if this someone was a criminal. And, who executed the members of the execution team should be killed too, and so and so... does anybody would be left in the end?


Murderers and pedophiles do not deserve your words.
And death happends all the time. Some people deserve it.

" 'He deserves death.'
'Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. ' "

[Oil_Man]

they have permision to do it, so they dont get killed... simple as that

[Coelho]

they have permision to do it, so they dont get killed... simple as that

Yes... they have permission, but they still are killing someone, regardless any permissions. The permissions doesnt make a murder become less than a murder. My point is that killing someone is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is killing or who is killed.

[BoilerUp]

Fuck the death penalty for one simple reason, death is a simple escape.

I would much rather be killed by lethal injection stabbed into me 19 times then die rotting in a jail cell while constantly having to look over my shoulder to see if bubba wants some midnight loving.

[rebgirl420]

^ yeah but prison isnt like it used to be. Nowadays its a hell of alot better.

[onequestion]

they have permision to do it, so they dont get killed... simple as that

I guess that is bound to start a discussion on the Nuremburg trials. I'll just leave that to the rest of you guys cuz im tired.

I'll leave you a very popular quote though

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" - Gandhi

One of my favorites.

[onequestion]

Also, people need to be ore sypathetic towards people. Rent the woodsman and see what these people go through. Having to think about what youve done for years in prison is punsihment enough for most people and it doesnt have to lead to death.

And no, i am not a pedophile.

[onequestion]

And come on. You cant convict someone based soley on the testimony of a four year old. Thats just rediculous. You wouldnt take testimony from a retarted adult so why take it form a four year old?

[mfqr]

^ yeah but prison isnt like it used to be. Nowadays its a hell of alot better.

I disagree. Prisons are way over-filled in the US nowadays--there's a lot more gang violence than there used to be.

[afghooey]

they have permision to do it, so they dont get killed... simple as that

Nazi soldiers also had 'permission' to kill millions of Jews. Did that make it right?

I agree with coelho and onequestion... an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

We have plenty of room in our prisons for criminals to be reformed (or else contained where they can't do any more harm), or at least, we would have enough room, if not for all the people in prison over marijuana and other non-violent drug-related charges.

I think it's time our justice system rethinks its priorities.

[rebgirl420]

psh the reforming everyone speaks so damn highly about is failing horribly. Obviously you havent been locked up. 99 percent of those losers should be shot on site and save the tax payers a shit load of money. Every one of the people I was locked up with when I was 15 are now knocked up, on welfare, doing hard ass drugs like heroin and meth. Reform? Shit, most of these people dont want help, and you cant help those who cant even admit they have a problem.

[mfqr]

psh the reforming everyone speaks so damn highly about is failing horribly. Obviously you havent been locked up. 99 percent of those losers should be shot on site and save the tax payers a shit load of money. Every one of the people I was locked up with when I was 15 are now knocked up, on welfare, doing hard ass drugs like heroin and meth. Reform? Shit, most of these people dont want help, and you cant help those who cant even admit they have a problem.

99% of what losers? The prison population?
Even though it's over-crowded, and there is quite a bit of gang violence in prison (at least maximum security prisons), there are potheads and harmless people, too. Should they be shot too?

However, I do agree that prison does not help very many people reform. The people who are usually reformed are the people sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

But haven't we all gone off-topic? ;)

[rebgirl420]

No that was my point. The percent of people there for shit like pot offenses and people who want to change (like I did) are the only people there that are decent. All the other people are freaking crazy and hopeless! They get out of the prisons to reoffend or to go on welfare or whatever. Those are the people who should be taken out. All they are is a cancer on society.

[PHATTY LUMPKINS]

Your right prison is not like it use to be. However they still house some Non Violent offeneders, in Higher level Security Prisons. Due to the Overcrowding issues all accross the U.S. I know from experience. And it most definately sucks I promise you that. As far as the death penalty, Well I have mixed feelings toward's that. What i dont agree with is that, Prisons have become big business Both inside and out. Even private Industries are now going in and getting contracts with the State. In turn they use Inmate Labor at Min wage. Which the state takes half of their pay, It's slave labor. And We the Public dont hear about these programs. I will remind you that these are not work release programs that im referring to either. These Corporations that are taking on these contracts, Have literally hit. (Gold Mines.)They are also taking jobs from Civilians that would normally receive $15.00 to $25.00 per hour for the position's. But they will pay the Inmate $5.15 per hour and work them 60 plus hours a week. Just bitching sorry. Been screwed over by the State before. I know how crooked they really are.:thumbsup:

[PHATTY LUMPKINS]

Any reform in prison, Has to be initiated by the Individual's in question. All their programs are Bullshit. And the only people who get out and stay out are the ones who. Actually chose to do their time and not let their time do them. I did a long stretch and the Recidivism Rate was just amazing. It was like a revolving door for a lot of Dudes. It suck's but Everyone has a choice, and behind every Choice is a Consequence. Be it good or Bad.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Your right prison is not like it use to be. However they still house some Non Violent offeneders, in Higher level Security Prisons. Due to the Overcrowding issues all accross the U.S. I know from experience. And it most definately sucks I promise you that. As far as the death penalty, Well I have mixed feelings toward's that. What i dont agree with is that, Prisons have become big business Both inside and out. Even private Industries are now going in and getting contracts with the State. In turn they use Inmate Labor at Min wage. Which the state takes half of their pay, It's slave labor. And We the Public dont hear about these programs. I will remind you that these are not work release programs that im referring to either. These Corporations that are taking on these contracts, Have literally hit. (Gold Mines.)They are also taking jobs from Civilians that would normally receive $15.00 to $25.00 per hour for the position's. But they will pay the Inmate $5.15 per hour and work them 60 plus hours a week. Just bitching sorry. Been screwed over by the State before. I know how crooked they really are.:thumbsup:

Inmates earning $5.15 an hour, working 60 hours a week, earn over $300 a week. It doesn't sound like much, but if you adjust for room and board, medical costs, no transportation expenses, etc., it's probably equivalent to several times that much - unless, of course, the inmates have to pay these expenses out of their salaries, which I believe is done in some jails.

[TX Girl]

I feel bad for his mother, no one should have to bear the grief of losing a child and knowing they took someone elses life, has to make it that much harder. That is awful. But people make choices and have to accept the consequences, so fuck him and fuck reformation, I have no sympathy for him, his 'inhumane' death was still better than his victim got.

I am glad we have the death penalty, if you can't control yourself enough not to kill anyone then I dont want you around, you are a danger to everyone else around you and no reformation would make me feel safe enough to have you in the same world as my daughter.

It sounds all nice and forgiving to not believe in the dp, but if you ever have the misfortune (and i hope you never do) of having people you love taken away from you by some selfish asshole for no reason you might change your opinion.


OneQuestion- you said
Having to think about what youve done for years in prison is punsihment enough for most people and it doesnt have to lead to death.

I understand what you mean. but I disagree. As someone who misses someone very much,there is no punishment good enough, but it made me feel a tiny bit better when a jury decided that scumbag deserved the worst punishment we can dole out. I would have been ok if he got life, but something about knowing that he didn't fool any of them, and got death, gets to sit and rot in a cell all alone for 23 hrs a day til he gets his easy death makes me feel better for a second every now and then. And my feeling better for even a second is worth more than his whole sorry stupid life, imo.

[SyndicateJuggalos17]

he fucked up that kids life and killed a lady but imagine knowing you're about to die for that long! it would have to be the worst feeling ever and to last that long is just terrible, even if he fucked up in the past dont u think he wished he could go back and not fuck up? one of those times, are u sorry u did it or are u sorry u got caught? he could have felt bad about it ever since he did it then like 20 years later he gets to sit there knowing hes gonna die for over an hour

[onequestion]

OneQuestion- you said
Having to think about what youve done for years in prison is punsihment enough for most people and it doesnt have to lead to death.

I understand what you mean. but I disagree. As someone who misses someone very much,there is no punishment good enough, but it made me feel a tiny bit better when a jury decided that scumbag deserved the worst punishment we can dole out. I would have been ok if he got life, but something about knowing that he didn't fool any of them, and got death, gets to sit and rot in a cell all alone for 23 hrs a day til he gets his easy death makes me feel better for a second every now and then. And my feeling better for even a second is worth more than his whole sorry stupid life, imo.

That is just twisted logic. Your whole pint is basically "The person who killed my loved one should recieve the death penalty because it will make me feel better." That makes you just as much a killer as he was. And i would like to point out that reform is always possible. Yes, some people are just psychopaths and will always wanna kill someone just for fun but some people have resolvable issues. People also get to think about their lives while in prison and turn them around. Just look at immortal technique. He used his time in prison to study history and came out a diferent person. Sure many of his views are wrong but now he's a god person. Also look into some movies such as a clockwork orange and the woodsman to see a bit deeper into the nature of reform. You can also read the book version of a clockwork orange but its a little different.

[SyndicateJuggalos17]

but that is true, how can somebody loose that much control, to drag somebody off and kill her and ya maybe he shoulda been executed but not for 86 mins shit id prolly rather get a guillotine then sit there dying that long

[onequestion]

Vernon God Little would also be a good book to read on the subject. Mostly for the later part of the book.

[Coelho]

Well... i will ask one question for the people that are favourable to death sentences:
If, instead of some unknown person, were your son, or husband, or father that had commited that crime. Would you still wish with the same ardent conviction that the death sentence were applied? Or you would ask for mercy?
Think about it... because every question have two sides...

[Hardcore Newbie]

I don't believe in the death penalty for the simple reason that people can make mistakes. And I'm not talking about offenders, I'm talking about people who convict alleged offenders. I'd hate to lose someone to the death penalty because of a corrupt system.

[TX Girl]

OneQuestion-
I think that saying it makes me no better than the killer kind of talk is bullshit. I did not make a choice to take 3 innocent lives, he did. He made a choice knowing full well what the punishment could be.

My daughter knows the rules around here and she knows what the consequences are for breaking them. She is never surprised when she gets grounded for something. Why do killers act all surprised when their stupid asses get caught and society expects them to pay for their crimes?

Coelho-- It would break my heart forever if a child or other relative of mine killed somebody. And of course i wouldnt want them to die for it. But I would also understand that they made a choice and consequences have to happen.

Now Im only a bitch like this about killers and pedophiles. Cause that shit is heinous and unforgivable to me. I have no problem with most of the folks who go to prison, see the error of their ways and reform. Nothing but respect for people strong enough to turn their lives around like that.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I don't believe in the death penalty for the simple reason that people can make mistakes. And I'm not talking about offenders, I'm talking about people who convict alleged offenders. I'd hate to lose someone to the death penalty because of a corrupt system.


I've never found one single case of a person that was killed with the death penalty, and later proven innocent. This is NOT the same as somebody being released from Death Row - I'm only talking actual executions.

As for a "corrupt" system, I'd say that there are a lot more people getting away with violent crimes than innocent people getting convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

[MajMike]

With the number of people being 'released' from Death Row seen as a percent of the population, and the number of executions over the years, there can be little doubt that innocents have been executed.

I had always been in favor of the death penalty, but with these 'mistakes' coming to light and the great comparative cost of a death penalty vs life sentence (due to endless appeals), I find it difficult to justify anymore.

Note: I have no problem executing the truly guilty (viscious murderers, serial rapists, child molesters, etc), I would even flip the switch (or whatever). BUT, if we are to do it we need to do it right, quickly and cleanly. This botched effort here cannot be repeated, and to that end I hope she wins her suit.

[onequestion]

Well... i will ask one question for the people that are favourable to death sentences:
If, instead of some unknown person, were your son, or husband, or father that had commited that crime. Would you still wish with the same ardent conviction that the death sentence were applied? Or you would ask for mercy?
Think about it... because every question have two sides...

Ummmm....I'm confused. I am obviously against the death penalty so why are you asking me this? You might have been high when you wrote this so i wont count it against you. This is after all a cannabis board.

[onequestion]

OneQuestion-
I think that saying it makes me no better than the killer kind of talk is bullshit. I did not make a choice to take 3 innocent lives, he did. He made a choice knowing full well what the punishment could be.

My daughter knows the rules around here and she knows what the consequences are for breaking them. She is never surprised when she gets grounded for something. Why do killers act all surprised when their stupid asses get caught and society expects them to pay for their crimes?

Coelho-- It would break my heart forever if a child or other relative of mine killed somebody. And of course i wouldnt want them to die for it. But I would also understand that they made a choice and consequences have to happen.

Now Im only a bitch like this about killers and pedophiles. Cause that shit is heinous and unforgivable to me. I have no problem with most of the folks who go to prison, see the error of their ways and reform. Nothing but respect for people strong enough to turn their lives around like that.

Wow, you should be ashamed to use that sort of twisted logic on a cannabis board. People who smoke weed know full well that it can land them in jail, but we still choose to do it. Now when one of us gets a sent to prison for a couple of years, does that make it right? No, it doesnt. Same thing with the death penalty. Think aboout it. I think youare letting your emotions get in the way of reason. I'm sure you wouldn't support the death penalty if some twisted fuck didnt kill people you knew.

I would also like to add that sometimes people just dont think about what theyre doing and the people that their crimes affect. Being in the court room with the victim's crying friends and family can often put things into perspective and ensure that what they did would never happen again.

[afghooey]

Ummmm....I'm confused. I am obviously against the death penalty so why are you asking me this? You might have been high when you wrote this so i wont count it against you. This is after all a cannabis board.


Originally Posted by Coelho
Well... i will ask one question for the people that are favourable to death sentences:
If, instead of some unknown person, were your son, or husband, or father that had commited that crime. Would you still wish with the same ardent conviction that the death sentence were applied? Or you would ask for mercy?
Think about it... because every question have two sides...

I don't think the (one) question that he asked was directed at you, onequestion. ;) Note the space between 'one' and 'question' But that's an easy mistake to make, especially if you're high. :jointsmile:

[TX Girl]

Maybe I do let my emotions get in the way a little bit, but I was in favor of the dp before, too.

Smokin weed and murder are two very different things, I don't see why you are even goin there, really.

We think weed should be legal. We are right. And none of us should be punished.

(almost) No one thinks murder should be legal.

you said:I would also like to add that sometimes people just dont think about what theyre doing and the people that their crimes affect. Being in the court room with the victim's crying friends and family can often put things into perspective and ensure that what they did would never happen again.

And if that person was there because of stealing - fine. give him another chance. If he steals again, big deal, its just money. but ya cant take chances with peoples lives like that if he was a murderer.

I dont think my logic is twisted but wtf, I dont know anything bout anything anymore so i will think about it and see if i feel the same tomorrow. which i probably will.
night :)

[Hardcore Newbie]

I've never found one single case of a person that was killed with the death penalty, and later proven innocent. This is NOT the same as somebody being released from Death Row - I'm only talking actual executions.

As for a "corrupt" system, I'd say that there are a lot more people getting away with violent crimes than innocent people getting convicted of crimes they didn't commit.I think there shouldn't be a death row in the first place, but sometimes, a life sentence should be a REAL life sentence.

[onequestion]

Your point was that since the killer knew that the death penalty existed, it is justified. I dont know how that is different than saying being punished for weed is justifiable since we know it is punishable. It is not nearly as different as you think. Also, i looked back at my post and notice that I said you were as bad as the killer who you wished to be put to death. I was insensitive but i'm sure you understood my point.

And i feel pretty stupid about thinking that question was directed towards me. I just thought that the guy was a little confused lol.

[Psycho4Bud]

Watch Lock-Up on MSNBC sometime.......most of these poor people doing life really don't give a rats if they shank someone in prison. What's another life sentence to them? In the meantime some poor bastard in there for a non-violent crime has to live with that scum for the duration of their sentence.

Imagine this.....your "loved one" gets 5 years for some type of robbery and you receive word that he's been killed behind bars by somebody doing double life for a multiple murders. I'd be VERY pissed off that they didn't fry that dude in the first place.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[cacayjunasian]

i'm so sick and tired of hearing about the rights of the convicted. that's why america has the worst crime rate...because of sympathizers of killers, rapists, pedaphiles and other low-life scum. these mf-ers should have no rights what-so-ever. whatever happened to victim's rights?

[cacayjunasian]

Wow, you should be ashamed to use that sort of twisted logic on a cannabis board. People who smoke weed know full well that it can land them in jail, but we still choose to do it. Now when one of us gets a sent to prison for a couple of years, does that make it right? No, it doesnt. Same thing with the death penalty. Think aboout it. I think youare letting your emotions get in the way of reason. I'm sure you wouldn't support the death penalty if some twisted fuck didnt kill people you knew.

twisted logic?! this is probably one of the dumbest post i've ever read. talk about twisted logic....
ok, smoking weed is against the law but we do it anyway. why? cuz most of us agree that we're not harming anyone else and quite frankly, we're hardly harming ourselves. so, we take our chances and if we get caught then we know the punishment. do we think it's fair? of course not, but we know full well the ramifications of breaking this law.
what are these killers thinking when they kill other people? well, i know killing people is wrong cuz i'll end their life and hurt the people that love them. and i know i'll either get the death penalty or spend the rest of my life in jail. but hey, since i feel deep down in my heart that the death penalty is wrong, i'm gonna take a few lives anyway. and btw, these people do know what they are doing, being on death row is for premeditated murder.

[cacayjunasian]

I think it would be much worse punishment to let a murderer live in isolation with that shit on their conscience than to kill them. Why should the accused have no rights? Innocent people are mistakenly sent to jail pretty often and what if they caught the death penalty?

ummm, i said the convicted not the accused. big difference. and as a society, we have to believe in our legal system. that's why we have appeals, mistrials, and cases that go to the supreme cort. and we're talking about the death penalty here. you really think innocent people are mistakenly sent to death row pretty often??? c'mon dude, you're undermining judges, the courts and the jury who find these f*ers guilty.

[Coelho]

ummm, i said the convicted not the accused. big difference. and as a society, we have to believe in our legal system. that's why we have appeals, mistrials, and cases that go to the supreme cort. and we're talking about the death penalty here. you really think innocent people are mistakenly sent to death row pretty often??? c'mon dude, you're undermining judges, the courts and the jury who find these f*ers guilty.

Well... just remember that the "important people", judges, and so, are the same who lie about the weed... if they hide the truth even in a "light" subject as weed, if they made a mistake and kill an innocent, do you think anybody will ever know?

[Breukelen advocaat]

I think it would be much worse punishment to let a murderer live in isolation with that shit on their conscience than to kill them. Why should the accused have no rights? Innocent people are mistakenly sent to jail pretty often and what if they caught the death penalty?

The isolation method has been tried, and it failed. Tere is a very good, and underappreciated, treasure in Philadelpha - Eastern State Penitentiary. They were the first to do the whole isolation method, over 150 years ago. It was abandoned. Long ago, and the jail shut down in the early 1970's. I took the tour a couple of years ago while on vacation in Philly.

Murderers don't have a conscience.

As I said before, far less "innocent" people are sent to jail than guilty ones set free.

Below: Eastern State Penitentiary

[onequestion]

twisted logic?! this is probably one of the dumbest post i've ever read. talk about twisted logic....
ok, smoking weed is against the law but we do it anyway. why? cuz most of us agree that we're not harming anyone else and quite frankly, we're hardly harming ourselves. so, we take our chances and if we get caught then we know the punishment. do we think it's fair? of course not, but we know full well the ramifications of breaking this law.
what are these killers thinking when they kill other people? well, i know killing people is wrong cuz i'll end their life and hurt the people that love them. and i know i'll either get the death penalty or spend the rest of my life in jail. but hey, since i feel deep down in my heart that the death penalty is wrong, i'm gonna take a few lives anyway. and btw, these people do know what they are doing, being on death row is for premeditated murder.

You missed the whole pint of my post. The point was just because the law is there, it doesnt mean it is right. I know the two are on completely different levels of seriousness but they are the same. Because someboy who killed somebody else knew about he death penalty when he killed somebody, there is no justification for it. Knowing about somehting doesnt make it right.

[rebgirl420]

Exactly TX Girl, P4b and caca, you guys know your shit. I say skip the waiting period too, a bullet is a whole lot cheaper than housing these people for 30 years before they kill them.

[Zohar]

Wow, you should be ashamed to use that sort of twisted logic on a cannabis board. People who smoke weed know full well that it can land them in jail, but we still choose to do it. Now when one of us gets a sent to prison for a couple of years, does that make it right? No, it doesnt. Same thing with the death penalty. Think aboout it. I think youare letting your emotions get in the way of reason. I'm sure you wouldn't support the death penalty if some twisted fuck didnt kill people you knew.

I would also like to add that sometimes people just dont think about what theyre doing and the people that their crimes affect. Being in the court room with the victim's crying friends and family can often put things into perspective and ensure that what they did would never happen again.

You have to realize that this is a topic that is a question of morals, and I'm talking about personal ones. That is why the answer to this question is there is no wrong belief (well, except perhaps if you think that people should be liberally executed). It seems that in some states the majority of people hold the moral belief that executing someone for a horrendous and violent crime is just and fair, and is a worth punishment. If you really believe that the aforementioned is untrue, why do some states (and the federal government) have the death penalty? Those people feel it is fair and just. If you really dislike the death penalty, I recommend getting involved in politics and fight for your state or perhaps even nationally to end the death penalty. Until that happens, it seems that most of America (or some states, not really sure how many states have one) is happy with the death penalty, just as I am tolerant of your view you must be tolerant of others =).

You are letting your emotions blind you if you really think about it, this is a topic you have to agree to disagree.

[PHATTY LUMPKINS]

psycho4Bud. That's what I was getting at. And it does happen. You put a non violent weed Dude in the joint for 5 to 10 Years and he has to live around the Scumbag's like that, due to the overcrowding problems. So the only place to house some of the lucky one's. Such as myself, was in Max Custody. I did fine but Im a good sized dude. However I know some that didn't fair well in there. And the thing is, They should have never even been there in the first place for weed.:thumbsup:

[PHATTY LUMPKINS]

:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[PHATTY LUMPKINS]

sorry Computer Problem's.

[Psycho4Bud]

psycho4Bud. That's what I was getting at. And it does happen. You put a non violent weed Dude in the joint for 5 to 10 Years and he has to live around the Scumbag's like that, due to the overcrowding problems. So the only place to house some of the lucky one's. Such as myself, was in Max Custody. I did fine but Im a good sized dude. However I know some that didn't fair well in there. And the thing is, They should have never even been there in the first place for weed.:thumbsup:

I'm for legalization of all recreational drugs........but I'm also for the death penalty for people like in the article.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune but glad to hear ya made out fairly well....that must have been a bitch to live with crazy assholes like that.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[PHATTY LUMPKINS]

Yes it did suck. And I'm with you on the crazy's and sicko's. The other thing that get's my goat , is that they, the State. Will Coddle a child molester and release them Early only to Re-Offend again. That's a whole different deal tho, and I wont get into it tonight. Peace!:thumbsup:

[cacayjunasian]

Well... just remember that the "important people", judges, and so, are the same who lie about the weed... if they hide the truth even in a "light" subject as weed, if they made a mistake and kill an innocent, do you think anybody will ever know?

"important people"??? have you ever served on jury duty? do you know any family relative or friend who is a lawyer? we have "normal people" that decide not only the outcome but also the sentencing. and what does this have to do with weed? i didn't know judges lie about weed. what are they lying about and what truths are they hiding? and you're really naive to think that judges are trying to cover up all their "mistakes" on all innocent people that are put to death.

[cacayjunasian]

You missed the whole pint of my post. The point was just because the law is there, it doesnt mean it is right. I know the two are on completely different levels of seriousness but they are the same. Because someboy who killed somebody else knew about he death penalty when he killed somebody, there is no justification for it. Knowing about somehting doesnt make it right.

and just because you personally don't feel a law is right, doesn't mean the punishment shouldn't be carried out to the maximum. especially when we are talking about people who knowingly and willfully take the lives of innocent bystanders.

[PHATTY LUMPKINS]

You are exactly right. Knowingly and Willingly!! Fuck Them in the neck. But Accidental shit that happens is another story for the Punishment. And hell I cant even remember who said it. A lot of Judges do turn their cheek's, For other Arrangement's made behind the doors. District Atty's. Defense Atty's. Judges. They all know each other, and depending on the size of the City. Chance's are good they are personal freind's as well. Our System is Corrupt in a lot of way's. And the Allmighty Dollar is the main reason why. This is only my opinion.:thumbsup:

[cheeto]

i am against the death penalty cause of the number of times it can be wrong.

but i truly belive that people who harm others in such horrid ways need to be put somewhere where they wount hurt anyone else, ever again.

now on the note of non violent offenders

in the same prison as violent!!!!!!!!!!! fucking sick freaks.

separate prisons, it cant be that hard, shave a few billion of the multi trillion dollar military budget...

and at that rate, shave a billion more and end world hunger.

the US will only be able to learn where it needs to put its money after it has none left... and no land left to spend it on.

sorry dudes, get bush out or you guys are gona collaps... you owe a lot of money and china is gaining on you.

[TX Girl]

I think life in prison is an appropriate sentence many times. But in awful cases where it is pretty clear that someone did it due to confessions, or eye witnesses w nothing to gain, or especially if it was premeditated those are the fucks I don't want to be breathing the same air as us.

I'm all for separate prisons, too. we should all have all murderers in one spot, death row on one side and the rest of the murderers on the other. I don't want to risk non violent prisoners lives by subjecting them to those fuckers, that aint right.
After the 7 inmates escaped in 2000 (or 01, I forget) and killed a police officer in Irving, death row guys dont get to work or fraternize w any other prisoners even on their rec time. That's got to suck. Dumbasses.

I think they average about 8 or 10 yrs til they get their date. that ought to be enough time to file all appeals and try to prove their innocence. I know there are guys who have no family or money to help them but many seem to be able to dupe well meaning citizens into setting up websites crying out for their release and to get help w money and resources.

[andruejaysin]

But they will pay the Inmate $5.15 per hour and work them 60 plus hours a week. Just bitching sorry. Been screwed over by the State before. I know how crooked they really are.:thumbsup:Damn, that doesn't sound that bad. They gave us 90 cents a DAY.

[Canuckofithaca]

the death penalty is too easy i think, i think a much more a deserving punishment would be like solitary confinement for the rest of ones life

[TheDefiler]

Man u gotta love America. Another unscrupulous bitch trying to profit from her son's death. Who cares how long it took or how it was done. What's done is done and why should the mom get rich off of it.

[the image reaper]

^ yeah but prison isnt like it used to be. Nowadays its a hell of alot better.

don't know whatever gives you THAT idea :wtf:

[Hilder420]

no doubt he took longer that that to rape, torture, and then kill her i believe n the death penalty, but i believe they should set em loose (inside the prison) give em a head start, then shoot em dead, or be killed the same way they killed their victim.

[ryanses]

they have permision to do it, so they dont get killed... simple as that

no one should have "permission" to kill anyone in this world. i personally think the death penalty is wrong, 2 wrongs dont make a right. i feel for the victim and dont have pity on the guy who was put to death, but i still dont think the death penalty is right. let the guy sit in prison his whole life and think about what he did, i think thats even more punishment than death.

[cacayjunasian]

no one should have "permission" to kill anyone in this world. i personally think the death penalty is wrong, 2 wrongs dont make a right. i feel for the victim and dont have pity on the guy who was put to death, but i still dont think the death penalty is right. let the guy sit in prison his whole life and think about what he did, i think thats even more punishment than death.

imho...
1. if i had to choose death or life(but in a prison), i still would choose life. i just don't understand how you think living in a maximum security prison is worse than death itself :wtf:
2. why should our tax dollars go towards keeping these people properly fed and housed?...that's just not right :mad:
3. if these people are dead, with 100% certainty, they will never harm someone else :thumbsup:
4. if taking somebody's life is the ultimate, most heinous crime, how can we serve justice to the victim, victim's family and their friends without the ultimate, most heinous penalty? justice is viewed by most people in this way.