Jesus is against cannabis.

[PureEvil760]

I'm sorry to announce but I found out today that Jesus is indeed against the use of cannabis..oh well.. :stoned::rasta::rastasmoke:

[psteve]

Heretic!

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Well you can't just walk in here and state it, give us a link! Or is this one of those "channelings" again...:wtf:

[D.Boone]

i doubt he was against cannabis. some evangelical christian or some other radical christian or catholic probably just came up with that to slander weed. just like the government propaganda ads against marijuana most of what the say isnt true.

[psteve]

It's pure blasphemy. The bible clearly says that every green herb was given to us by god, and that god wants us to use them.
Jesus loves the herb.

[Coelho]

Pure Evil, does it mean you will stop smoking?

[MajMike]

As a healer, I think it more likely that He was accustomed to it's use as medicine (especially there on the edge of Persia), and would only be against it if it ruled your life.

[xsw2]

your name says it all , pure evil

[STIMPY21]

Any thing that controls your life in a negative way is sin. For some 1 beer is to many. For those to drink is a sin. Some people cannot control their lust, and thus it rules their life and is a sin. Some people's lives are ruled solely by $$, and thus greed is a sin. That does not mean for any one to drink a few beers, enjoy sex, and want to save a few bucks is a sin. I believe that any thing in excess can be sinful. Seek moderation and follow the ten commandments, which by the way are good thinmgs to do anyway.
STIMPY1

[darth stoner]

damn, better roll another one up because of that

[couch-potato]

I believe that any thing in excess can be sinful. Seek moderation and follow the ten commandments, which by the way are good thinmgs to do anyway.
STIMPY1


I find it disturbing that people are so pumped to follow the ten commandments in Exodus 20 but then ignore the concept of selling your daughter into slavery in Exodus 21... :wtf:

[Oneironaut]

I find it disturbing that people are so pumped to follow the ten commandments in Exodus 20 but then ignore the concept of selling your daughter into slavery in Exodus 21... :wtf:
Indeed. Right after the Ten Commandments God gives a whole slew of rules on how to properly conduct the ownership of slaves, and all throughout Exodus are rules on how to properly conduct animal sacrifices whose scents are "pleasing to the Lord". Why, out of all these commandments, are only those Ten considered sacred? Nowhere is there a verse that says "Just kidding" or "You can start ignoring this one in a few thousand years once you develop more sophisticated moral and legal philosophies".

Anyhow, back to the original topic, there is nothing in the New Testament about weed. Believe me, I've read it.

And Jesus entered the temple, where the disciples were smoking ganj. "Why tokest thou of this herb? Dost thou not know that mine Father hath forbidden its usage, for it is but a tool of Satan?" And the disciples did extinguish the flame and start a D.A.R.E. group."

[MajMike]

Why do most Christians keep talking about the Ten Commandments? I read the New Testament, and the Two Commandments replaced the Ten, according to Jesus.

1. Love God with all your heart, might, mind, and soul.
. . . and the second is like unto the first . . .
2. Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself.

That's it, those Two include the Ten and any other thing you can think of, interpreted broadly.

The Mosaic law was done away with by the Christ, it was a lesser law than the Two given above. The Israelites were not ready for these broad law's, and so were given specifics (see Deuteronomy) on everything. After all, they were worshipping a golden calf when Moses came down the mountain, that's got to tell you something about their state of development.

Just a pet peeve of mine, when they ignore their own scriptures (I am a Christian, but 'they' are the unbendable ones).

[Oneironaut]

Why do most Christians keep talking about the Ten Commandments? I read the New Testament, and the Two Commandments replaced the Ten, according to Jesus.

1. Love God with all your heart, might, mind, and soul.
. . . and the second is like unto the first . . .
2. Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself.

That's it, those Two include the Ten and any other thing you can think of, interpreted broadly.

The Mosaic law was done away with by the Christ, it was a lesser law than the Two given above. The Israelites were not ready for these broad law's, and so were given specifics (see Deuteronomy) on everything. After all, they were worshipping a golden calf when Moses came down the mountain, that's got to tell you something about their state of development.

Just a pet peeve of mine, when they ignore their own scriptures (I am a Christian, but 'they' are the unbendable ones).
Speaking of Christians ignoring parts of their holy book, what's up with them not reading Matthew 5:17-19? These are supposed to be the words from Jesus' own mouth, right in the middle of the freaking Sermon on the Mount.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
That means Mosaic law is still in effect, and I deserve to be stoned because I just got done breaking the commandment against working on the Sabbath.

[MajMike]

I agree that He came not to destroy the law, but He did come to redefine the law and give us a deeper understanding of what it meant. The Two encompass the Ten and virtually everything else one can think of, it was a broadening of perspective not possible with the Israelites in the time of Moses.

It's the difference between a crush and being in love, each is true but one is deeper and truer. With the New Testament and Christ's teachings we are given a higher law, one that requires more of us that ever before.

I seek not to convince you, just to further explain my position.

[Anubis10012007]

Would the Jesus of history say it is bad...or the Jesus of religion? There is a difference.

Know ye not that the 4 canonical Gospels were edited years after they were written? Paul's letters predate the Gospels, so how could Paul have know what Jesus really said?

I think the Jesus of religion would because Christianity has always been a dogmatic religion before the Edict of Milan in 313 AD.

Just look at Irenaeus' "Against Heresies" which he wrote demonizing the Gnostics in the second century AD.

But the Jesus of religion is also quoted as saying in Matthew 15:11 "It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."

I believe cannabis is a master plant..connected to higher spirit realms. I don't smoke to get "fucked up". I use it to relax my mind and body and concentrate on certain things and get better insights.

Jesus' main teachings were about unconditional love and acceptance of others...mostly to those whom were called sinners and outcasts.

[PureEvil760]

wow, really got flamed to hell on that one..not gonna stop smoking it but it was from the book walking with the master by elizabeth clare

[Oneironaut]

I agree that He came not to destroy the law, but He did come to redefine the law and give us a deeper understanding of what it meant. The Two encompass the Ten and virtually everything else one can think of, it was a broadening of perspective not possible with the Israelites in the time of Moses.

It's the difference between a crush and being in love, each is true but one is deeper and truer. With the New Testament and Christ's teachings we are given a higher law, one that requires more of us that ever before.

I seek not to convince you, just to further explain my position.
Okay, so please explain to me your position on how Jesus gives us a "deeper understanding" of the meaning of the following commandments from the Lord:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
I really don't see how Jesus' "love thy neighbor" philosophy meshes with selling people into slavery or stoning gay men and rape victims. These were barbaric laws and certainly not divinely inspired. There is no deeper truth to a passage that directly commands you to kill gay men. What's the deeper truth to that? That God is a bigot?

Either Jesus was lying when he said he would not destroy one jot or tittle of the law (these are some pretty significant jots and tittles, you must admit), or Jesus does indeed advocate slavery and execution of gays and rape victims.

[PureEvil760]

Well you can't just walk in here and state it, give us a link! Or is this one of those "channelings" again...:wtf:

Yea, "it" was "from" a "channeling" "."

[jahjahjahjah]

I'm sorry to announce but I found out today that Jesus is indeed against the use of cannabis..oh well.. :stoned::rasta::rastasmoke:

Then why are there references to cannabis in the bible ? The healing Tree cmon it's obvious.

[PureEvil760]

The bible is outdated, its funny I have a friend that puts all of his faith into the bible, then thinks the shit that I read isnt real. I mean if you believe in the bible at all you have to believe in spiritual power, because it was just about a man who was a fully enabled human that displayed incredible spiritual power. Any of you can have all the abilities Jesus had, why not?

[Oneironaut]

No, it's not that obvious. Not if you actually study the context the story was written in and the history of the book. The ancient Jews most likely did not know of the intoxicating properties of the cannabis plant. After all, they lived in the frickin desert, where there aren't that many weed plants.

Next you're going to try to tell me that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was weed too, and the fruit that Adam and Eve ate was really just a fruity nug that they smoked.

[Oneironaut]

Any of you can have all the abilities Jesus had, why not?
Really? Could you teach me how to walk on water? I bet the Coast Guard would pay me a lot of money to find out how...

[psteve]

Yea, "it" was "from" a "channeling" "."
I'm afraid you're channeling the Incubush.

[psteve]

Really? Could you teach me how to walk on water? I bet the Coast Guard would pay me a lot of money to find out how...
First, you need a shitload of Jell-o...

[Anubis10012007]

Okay, so please explain to me your position on how Jesus gives us a "deeper understanding" of the meaning of the following commandments from the Lord:



I really don't see how Jesus' "love thy neighbor" philosophy meshes with selling people into slavery or stoning gay men and rape victims. These were barbaric laws and certainly not divinely inspired. There is no deeper truth to a passage that directly commands you to kill gay men. What's the deeper truth to that? That God is a bigot?

Either Jesus was lying when he said he would not destroy one jot or tittle of the law (these are some pretty significant jots and tittles, you must admit), or Jesus does indeed advocate slavery and execution of gays and rape victims.The best way I can explain this is trying to fully understand the concept of duality and understanding early Christianity.

Lets start from the beginning. The Bible has both an Old and a New Testament. The Old is the old law..and the New is the new law. We'll consider the OT "Dark" because of its draconian laws....and the NT "Light" for its love and acceptance of sinners.

Then this man Y'shua of Nazareth comes along in the mid 20s-30s AD preaching love and acceptance. He went AGAINST the established religious order.

My research and beliefs have led me to believe that Jesus came to fully explain the purpose of religion...that it is basically a test and it is not really needed...as love is the way to God...not rules and regulations as the OT concerned itself with. He displayed the balance of "rules and love". Yes rules are put in place...put you learn why they are broken.

Jesus was than crucified as a criminal. In the Synoptic Gospels (Matt-Mark-Luke), Jesus is crucified because he cleanses the Temple. In John..which is really a Gnostic influenced Gospel which was almost ousted from the Bible, Jesus is crucified for raising Lazarus. Understand the differences too between the Gospels as there are contradictions to them.

Jesus was a rebel, plain and simple. He forgave others, where the law said to condemn. HE SHOWED COMPASSION!!!! That is integration of both light/dark. Jesus' god was not the God of destruction or the dead...but of life.

No pain...no gain. We need evil and bad stuff in this world so we can realize that it is the struggle which makes us grow spiritually. Jesus discovered this and taught it. As much as I don't like it in my current mindset here on Earth..I accept it.

[beachguy in thongs]

Jesus is against Cannabis prohibition.

[MajMike]

Those Old Testament (OT) laws are beyond my ability to reconcile with the concept of a loving God, maybe a Rabbi could explain it but not me.

When you talk about doing away with the law, there is a difference between the law as represented in the OT and the laws as God intended. It is the latter which are not done away with, the former are of men (obviously I don't take them literally, though I know many do).

I readily admit I do not have all the answers, and I don't know anyone who does. What I do know is that "Love Thy Neighbor" includes everyone, and I believe those three words are the crux of the entire New Testament.

[Maverick15963]

I think they should re-write the bible, into modern terms. For example


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
{Leviticus 20:13}
would become


If two dudes bang, kill 'em

or (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)



If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

would be


If you fuck a married chick, throw rocks at both of them, so he doesn't fuck your's

this is an epic idea... if only I had the time to translate the ENTIRE bible from bible-babble to modern-day terms... I think a lot more people would read the bible if it were in words they could understand (since people don't like to think too hard, nowadays)

[PureEvil760]

Really? Could you teach me how to walk on water? I bet the Coast Guard would pay me a lot of money to find out how...

Not at this point in my development, it is somthing that must be self taught, but it is also somthing you already have full knowlage of. Newborn babies are fully enabled like Jesus, but that experience is forgotten as they grow up.

[PureEvil760]

I'm not saying that Jesus hates people that smoke because there is never judgment involved with the way God works. Jesus has suggested though, that smoking is not a great thing for spiritual change, which is all he cares about..humanity rising spiritually and freedom from the dominance of self.

I am quitting now so that I can get a job which requires a drug test before training and random testing during employment. Its a little Ironinc..today Im gonna smoke the rest of what I got cause training will start the first monday of august..got a few hours to smoke an eighth

[cacayjunasian]

Not at this point in my development, it is somthing that must be self taught, but it is also somthing you already have full knowlage of. Newborn babies are fully enabled like Jesus, but that experience is forgotten as they grow up.

huh? where the hell are you getting all this crap? i was enabled like jesus as a baby??? god doesn't make judgments??? "religious" people are funny.

[PureEvil760]

huh? where the hell are you getting all this crap? i was enabled like jesus as a baby??? god doesn't make judgments??? "religious" people are funny.

I am not "religious" I follow no guidelines as to how to guide my spirituality. I am getting this crap (you can call truth crap, its still not going to change just for you) from sincerly studying spiritual text only that I believe to be true.

Judgement is a human ideal, God does not judge, God will love you completely and equally no matter what you do in this life. There is no judgement.

[TokinSurfer]

he 'was' against cannabis...

[cacayjunasian]

I am not "religious" I follow no guidelines as to how to guide my spirituality. I am getting this crap (you can call truth crap, its still not going to change just for you) from sincerly studying spiritual text only that I believe to be true.

let me guess, you're one of the "i'm not RELIGIOUS, but i am very SPIRITUAL", people? and since you're following your own spiritual guidelines, your own rules, your own bible, it must be the truth.


Judgement is a human ideal, God does not judge, God will love you completely and equally no matter what you do in this life. There is no judgement.

lmao...are you serious? god does not judge??? well, let's see...god did pass judgment on the entire human race when adam and eve decided to eat some fruit, and then there was that minor flood because god didn't like our evil ways, and there was that little city called sodom that he destroyed, and then there were those plagues on egypt-frogs, flies, disease, death-that was especially touching.

the list goes on and on. since when did god become too good to judge? even "religious" people have coined it DIVINE JUDGMENT. like god's too good for just regular old judgment. :rolleyes: fear is a huge part of religion and how do you produce fear if god doesn't pass judgment?

[Sir Bliss]

Well if Jesus is against cannabis then he most be pissed at his Holy Father because look what he has done...the seed has been spread throughout the very Earth he created--basically everywhere. But yeah, there's no doubt that God is a fan of that Mary Jane.

[Adrenaline Rush]

I truly believe GOD put herb on earth for us......

It's the abuse, money and greed that comes from weed that is contolled by evil.

Just like GOD created Adam & Eve, but despite his warning, they still bit the apple.

[imitator]

It is his truth, not yours





No, it is his belief.

A truth is not subjective, it does not depend on the person who is stating it, a truth is a truth is a truth no matter where it comes from, who says it, or when it was said.

a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like;
ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience

[bong_man]

who cares if some bloke whos been dead for 1000's of years was for or against weed fuck him lol get with the times

[MajMike]

While I agree with your sentiments about living in the present, by definition Jesus is relevant in this discussion because this thread is a question about Him.

All: I reiterate my belief that He probably used cannabis as a Healer (on patients), as most healers did in those times. The only way He would be against it would be if one allowed it to control their lives, and He would be against any other controlling proclivity as well. Alcohol, sex, drugs, power, and anything else which dominates your life so that it clouds your purpose here are what He opposes.

Life is vastly bigger than any of these things, and (again, imho) He wants us to realize that and see all that this existence offers.

Peace.

[jdmarcus59]

Speaking of Christians ignoring parts of their holy book, what's up with them not reading Matthew 5:17-19? These are supposed to be the words from Jesus' own mouth, right in the middle of the freaking Sermon on the Mount.

That means Mosaic law is still in effect, and I deserve to be stoned because I just got done breaking the commandment against working on the Sabbath.

jesus fullfield the law for us, and died upon the cross to set us free from the law, if we belive that he did this for us then are sins are forgivin. that is the good news for all men, that is the message of the new testment, we are under GRACE, its that simple.

[420 FMX]

Next you're going to try to tell me that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was weed too, and the fruit that Adam and Eve ate was really just a fruity nug that they smoked.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that was pure gold :thumbsup:

[420 FMX]

But the Jesus of religion is also quoted as saying in Matthew 15:11 "It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."

I believe cannabis is a master plant..connected to higher spirit realms. I don't smoke to get "fucked up". I use it to relax my mind and body and concentrate on certain things and get better insights.



isnt that about how words are weapons that can destroy someone so watch wat u say? atleast thats my understanding of wat u quoted

[VaporDaddy]

Jesus was annointed with cannabis oil then he became Super Jesus. The rest is history.

[VaporDaddy]

Breaking News!
This just in.....Jesus doesn't like Wal-Mart either....Stock plummets as millions of hicks look for other places to spend their welfare cheques....
In other news Dollar stores are flourishing...

[PureEvil760]

let me guess, you're one of the "i'm not RELIGIOUS, but i am very SPIRITUAL", people? and since you're following your own spiritual guidelines, your own rules, your own bible, it must be the truth.



lmao...are you serious? god does not judge??? well, let's see...god did pass judgment on the entire human race when adam and eve decided to eat some fruit, and then there was that minor flood because god didn't like our evil ways, and there was that little city called sodom that he destroyed, and then there were those plagues on egypt-frogs, flies, disease, death-that was especially touching.

the list goes on and on. since when did god become too good to judge? even "religious" people have coined it DIVINE JUDGMENT. like god's too good for just regular old judgment. :rolleyes: fear is a huge part of religion and how do you produce fear if god doesn't pass judgment?

1. I dont accept anything to be truth unless it is completely obvious. 2. God does not judge, if you want to believe in fairty tales than good for you.

[imitator]

1. I dont accept anything to be truth unless it is completely obvious. 2. God does not judge, if you want to believe in fairty tales than good for you.

Curious, are you referring to the stories about Adam and Eve, the Flood, and whatnot as fairy tales, or to the idea of God being a fairy tale?

Would be kinda ironic that you would imply stories about a possible fictional entity are false, but the possible fictional entity whose entire existance is based upon those same stories isnt.

[PureEvil760]

Curious, are you referring to the stories about Adam and Eve, the Flood, and whatnot as fairy tales, or to the idea of God being a fairy tale?

Would be kinda ironic that you would imply stories about a possible fictional entity are false, but the possible fictional entity whose entire existance is based upon those same stories isnt.

I believe they were real stories, but they have been turned into fairy tales. ..your a fictional entinty?

[PureEvil760]

BE the Light, BE in the Light, BE of the Light. Do all within the
Light,
and they will see you and will understand. Know we are all a part of
the
whole. We must help our brothers. For not to do that would cause you to
stay
where you are at now. We must all work together to be part of the One.

I do not wish to be called "Lord". I am your brother.

I do not wish you to bow down to me. I am one with you.

I do not wish you to make crosses with my body on it, for I do not want
that
image to be portrayed.

I am one with the Father. I am one with you. We are all part of the
whole.
Become that which is to come.
~Jesus Christ

[psteve]

Jesus was a mushroom.

[imitator]

I like cheese, and I like bacon. All those around me shall like cheese and bacon, for it is what our Lord says is true. Those who do not share me and my lords love for cheese and bacon are sinners, and shall burn in the firey depths of Yoko Ono's recording studio.

- Me... about 20 seconds ago

[PureEvil760]

I dont understand nor do I wish to, so I'll just post random shit.

[imitator]

I dont understand nor do I wish to, so I'll just post random shit.

Yep, the guy who has a Major in Philosophy and a minor in World Religions doesnt understand, nor has any desire to understand.

Understand that you can not make a valid point by referencing quotes from the bible or anything similar... It wasnt written by God, but by man, who is flawed, and susceptible to many faults.

"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt."

- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

[PureEvil760]

..uh i didnt major in philosophy or even take world religeons, but if I did it wouldnt matter because human knowlage is irrelevant.

[imitator]

..uh i didnt major in philosophy or even take world religeons, but if I did it wouldnt matter because human knowlage is irrelevant.

Human knowledge is all we have. Its due to your "irrelevant human knowledge" that you even know anything these things in regards to religion.

See what you are doing right now is backpeddling. You didnt get the joke, or choose to ignore it for the sake of commenting back, that I made in regards to your religious quotes.

Just to spell it out for you though...

Anyone can make up quotes. And the wonderful thing about a book such as the bible or any scriptures is there is no way to prove or disprove anything that happened. Minus the whole great flood thing, unless im mistaken they have proven that it couldnt have happened when the Bible said it did.

Quotes from the bible, hell even the bible itself are meant to be things to help you through life. Not something to take completely literally, but something to help you lead a good life. Anecdotes and such to help bring some clarity to what a good life should be, in regards to that specific religion.

If Gods exist, and lets for the sake of fairness assume that any and all gods that have been believed in exist... how do you explain the differences in rules and practices that each God has laid down? Is one God wrong and the other right? One arguement might be that they are all the same God, but if that is true, then that just means that anything written down about a God(s) can not be true... because why would the same God tell different people different things in regards to how it all went down, and the rules that must be followed? Sounds to me like men meddling with other men through the use of a "greater power"'s voice.

And yes, I know you have repeatedly stated that religions themselves are corrupt and whatnot, but if you truely believed that, why are you not quoting from other religions scriptures instead of just ONE specific religion and its texts?

PS: I know I might seem combative in my posts, but I truely am not. I just find that being "soft and kind" in a discussion doesnt get anyone anywhere.

[PureEvil760]

Looks like a struck a nerve, human knowlage isnt all we have, its all you care to look at.

[imitator]

Looks like a struck a nerve, human knowlage isnt all we have, its all you care to look at.

What else do we have? Faith? Faith is based on proported knowledge.


the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.

One of the definitions for faith from dictionary.com. Without knowledge, you wouldnt be on this computer. Without knowledge, odds are you wouldnt even know about any such thing as Gods as are known today, or in the past. You wouldnt have "immaculate" records such as the bible, or anything else. Without knowledge, you could not speak, without knowledge you could not think, without knowledge your life would be more pointless then a rock sitting in the middle of no where.

Even animals hold knowledge, and those with the most knowledge are found in positions of power, with the other animals recongizing their knowledge and yeilding before it.

One entire modern day religion is based upon the idea of knowledge. The first Buddha was a normal man, such as you and I, who through meditation and other methods, gained knowledge and arised to become The Buddha. He learned of nirvana, and was able to obtain it. Without knowledge, he wouldnt even know what the word nirvana was, or what a word was for that matter.

As has been proven time and time again, man interjects God and religion into his life when he lacks the knowledge and answers he needs to comprehend the things around us. Roman and Greek gods anyone? Or do you think that they existed as well? If so, wouldnt that mean that christian God is a liar? Or if nothing else, a very jealous protective person, not wanting to lose any of his flock, or why else have a commandment stating that you can worship no one but him?

And apparently you have some reading comprehension problems, as I flat out stated that I am not upset, nor have you "struck a nerve". I am having, or at least trying to have, a normal, competent, legitimate discussion with you. There is no need to try to bring in a person's emotional state, or what is running through their head in such a conversation, unless one is standing on a weak arguement, or has no interest in having a legit conversation to begin with.

[MajMike]

I disagree that knowledge is all we need. I strongly agree that knowledge is power, but it is what we do with that knowledge that counts. How do we apply it for our benefit and the betterment of mankind?

Also, it is experience that teaches us how to apply our knowledge. Reality has a way of tempering 'knowledge', and it can be difficult to merge the two.

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge." Daniel J Boorstein

"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Albert Einstein


Caveat: I believe in learning something new every day, so I treasure knowledge and encourage all to seek it. Just understand that raw knowledge (information/data) is only useful when we have a known pattern to view it in, it is that experience which gives that knowledge usefulness to us.

Peace.

[imitator]

I disagree that knowledge is all we need. I strongly agree that knowledge is power, but it is what we do with that knowledge that counts. How do we apply it for our benefit and the betterment of mankind?

Also, it is experience that teaches us how to apply our knowledge. Reality has a way of tempering 'knowledge', and it can be difficult to merge the two.

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge." Daniel J Boorstein

"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Albert Einstein


Caveat: I believe in learning something new every day, so I treasure knowledge and encourage all to seek it. Just understand that raw knowledge (information/data) is only useful when we have a known pattern to view it in, it is that experience which gives that knowledge usefulness to us.

Peace.

Our experience, which we use to teach us how to apply "knowledge", is knowledge in itself. Knowledge doesnt have to be about knowing the equation to explain the universe and all that happens in it, it can be as simple as knowing how to read, knowing how to breathe, or anything else that you can apply the word knowing to, bam, theres knowledge.

Now knowledge isnt neccessarily right or wrong. A person can know something, and know it wrong, just as easily as they can know something and have it be right.

PureEvil knows that there is a God(s). It matters little if he is right or wrong, that is his knowledge, everything he does is based upon it. You cant base something in your life on something you dont know, you dont know it, so it cant have an effect on your life by your decision.

[jdub61]

I'm sorry to announce but I found out today that Jesus is indeed against the use of cannabis..oh well.. :stoned::rasta::rastasmoke:

I'm sorry to announce out today that the Bible and Jesus are indeed fiction..oh well..

[cacayjunasian]

1. I dont accept anything to be truth unless it is completely obvious. 2. God does not judge, if you want to believe in fairty tales than good for you.

1. obvious is a subjective word. in your case, reality isn't easily perceived or understood. 2. yes, i too agree that the bible is a big fairy tale. here are some more of your fake stories...

Question: "What does the Bible say about when God will judge us?"

Answer: There are two separate judgments. Believers are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-12). This judgment does not determine salvation, but rather is when believers must give an account of their lives to Christ. Believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). The things we will likely be judged on is how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), how well we controlled our tongue (James 3:1-9), etc. We will have to give an account for our actions, Romans 14:12 declares, â??So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.â?� Unbelievers are judged at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). This judgment does not determine salvation either. Everyone at the Great White Throne is an unbeliever and is therefore already doomed to the lake of fire.

[imitator]

Question: "What does the Bible say about when God will judge us?"

Answer: There are two separate judgments. Believers are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-12). This judgment does not determine salvation, but rather is when believers must give an account of their lives to Christ. Believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). The things we will likely be judged on is how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), how well we controlled our tongue (James 3:1-9), etc. We will have to give an account for our actions, Romans 14:12 declares, â??So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.â?� Unbelievers are judged at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). This judgment does not determine salvation either. Everyone at the Great White Throne is an unbeliever and is therefore already doomed to the lake of fire.

Lol, I doubt I would recount my tale if I knew I was screwed no matter what. Why waste the time?

[afghooey]

Cannabis = Truth. Jesus = Cannabis.

[imitator]

That comment is so retarded it makes my brain bleed.

What the fuck else have we got? Ridiculous pseudo-science? The even more ridiculous bastard child of pseudo-science and new age religion? Oh fuck yeah, that's a great way to explain the universe!

And if anyone argues with us, or questions our claims, never mind! We can just say they 'can't comprehend our religion', or some vague bullshit, to avoid facing up to the SHEER FUCKING STUPIDITY OF OUR BELIEFS!

:mad:

Lol, now now, when we stoop to his level, we are no better then he is.

A good lot of us recognize how weak his arguements and points are, and we should be able to slap them down without any anger or emotion at all, so base and simple his arguements are.

Although I do agree with you, religion, when it was created, was ingenious in its ability to use fuzzy logic and logical fallacies to defend its existance. And for those who dont take the time to try to really learn about the religions, and just choose to allow themselves to be indoctrinated by what they are being told, such as I would guess is the case with our friend, they never quite get what everyone else is chuckling under their breaths about.

BTW Pure, might want to look up what a Logical Fallacy is, wonder if you can pick out which ones you have used since the start of this converstation. :p

[deftdrummer]

yippie kay yay mother fucker

[PureEvil760]

What else do we have? Faith? Faith is based on proported knowledge.



Yes all you need to begin with is faith the faith that there is more to life, its not about gaining knowlage its about erasing false knowlage.

[PureEvil760]

That comment is so retarded it makes my brain bleed.

What the fuck else have we got? Ridiculous pseudo-science? The even more ridiculous bastard child of pseudo-science and new age religion? Oh fuck yeah, that's a great way to explain the universe!

And if anyone argues with us, or questions our claims, never mind! We can just say they 'can't comprehend our religion', or some vague bullshit, to avoid facing up to the SHEER FUCKING STUPIDITY OF OUR BELIEFS!

:mad:

It's not because its vague its because the answers to all humanitys problems are so simple, that they choose glorifying themselves instead viewing the incredibly simplistic truth. You can comprehend this, its easy..but its way too easy for you apparently.

[Ganj]

i doubt he was against cannabis. some evangelical christian or some other radical christian or catholic probably just came up with that to slander weed. just like the government propaganda ads against marijuana most of what the say isnt true.

Most of what the bible's text is incomprehensible in the literal sense. The book is plagued with irony which only reinforces an individual's dependency on it. I tell you, the author of the bible was a man/woman of language, he/she could persuade anyone's heart with the mere use of words. Sort of makes you realize the power packed into these symbols manifest. And how the perfect words can easily sway a tender heart. And how the perfect words can easily create hope for a fragile generation.

[MajMike]

Most of the key stories are forms of morality plays, too bad we spend so much effort looking at the scripts and actors in the plays we miss the morals.

The New Testament: MajMike's Translation, Abbreviated

"LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF!"

[PureEvil760]

Okay, then tell me this incredibly simplistic truth. What is the answer to all of humanity's problems?

very funny..like I said multiple times before it cannot be explained with words, you have to experience it for yourself by allowing yourself to fade, I don't expect you to ever do it though, because you would rather put 100% belief in the act that yourself and most others put on 24/7. Its really difficult, but due to the vibration of the planet rising it is becoming easier every day. The planet will be cleansed of the anti-christ soon..i cant wait.

[PureEvil760]

its simpler than a word, hense can only be viewed. Usually dont take things out of the bible but I'm guessing the 144000 is the number of masters it will take to destroy everyone else.

[imitator]

very funny..like I said multiple times before it cannot be explained with words, you have to experience it for yourself by allowing yourself to fade, I don't expect you to ever do it though, because you would rather put 100% belief in the act that yourself and most others put on 24/7. Its really difficult, but due to the vibration of the planet rising it is becoming easier every day. The planet will be cleansed of the anti-christ soon..i cant wait.

And I refuse to believe that you have found any spiritual enlightenment when you have an attitude and general view of the world and those in it as you do.

Spiritual enlightenment is not about just finding a path... its about purifying yourself from all that harms the soul, and allowing yourself to be above what makes us human, and see beyond the faults that blind us in day to day life.

You have yet to even once demonstrate the ability to do this in even the slightest way. You speak of enlightenment, and how we are wrong for not having reached it, but instead of doing what anyone who would be enlightened would do, ie help other people reach enlightenment or at least help them find the path to begin, you belittle them and claim superiority towards them. Someone who had seen and experienced enlightement would be above such things, they would not even cross their mind.

You are the kind of person all dieties despise as a follower. When given a gift, instead of using it to help spread their word, to help others, you use it as a tool to mock and belittle others. You take their gift, if you had ever even recieved it, and twist its purpose into something selfish and human.

As the Buddha has said, if you know you are in the state of nirvana, then you are not in nirvana. Enlightenment brings about a change in a person, and you recognize the foolishness in so many of our normal endeavours, things that do no good but to harm a persons soul and being.

More and more, I think you are just a foolish kid who saw something in a dream. If anyone or anything did reveal any truths to you, its becuase they felt a need to get you on the right path, because at this moment you come off as nothing more then some 15 yr old kid who thinks he is better then everyone else, and would prefer to spout off bullshit then do anything productive with whatever gift he might or might not have been given.

Even in religion and faith, people ask for answers. It doesnt even have ot be based on scientific theory, or anything close. But if you cant explain what your viewpoint is, then your viewpoint holds no water, and can not be taken as anything else then YOUR belief at best, or at worst, someone who is in need of some serious medication.

Human beings have, throughout history, had the ability to have a form of clairvoyence, a chance to see past the haze that normally obscures ones sight and vision. Nothing about it has to be religious or spiritual, but alot of people view it as such. And its very well possible that it is. But just as many athiests and agnostics have seen past the haze as people who have faith in a religion or diety.

Some people work their entire lives to have a chance to even begin to experience such a thing, both devote follower and non believer alike. If you have even slightly had a chance to experience such a thing, you have been given a gift, which you are choosing to waste at every possible moment. You sir do not appear to have ever deserved such a gift, with the way you act.

Its sad, but a fact of life, that sometimes even those given everything to help them live a good life, even great gifts that others would kill for, end up being wastes. If you truely recieved any such gift, dont waste it. Dont be that guy. And quit being a dick. You have people actually interested in trying to understand where you are coming from right now... dont squander it.

[Sir Raf of BONG!]

I plan to light up a blunt with Jesus once I die :jointsmile:

[PureEvil760]

And I refuse to believe that you have found any spiritual enlightenment when you have an attitude and general view of the world and those in it as you do.


I said before, that I WAS enlightened, but lost it. So right now I am NOT in a state of enlightenment. So in this state I can say stuff like your posts are very idiotic in comparison to the other sceptics at least, your just a waste of time. I dare people to confuse me, and some do but you cannot. Stop trying son, at least until you have a slight chance.

[Kottonmouth Prince]

in a bible verse my brother showed me it saias something like some thing and plant was here for man kind to enjoy

[wayoftheleaf]

Speaking of Christians ignoring parts of their holy book, what's up with them not reading Matthew 5:17-19? These are supposed to be the words from Jesus' own mouth, right in the middle of the freaking Sermon on the Mount.

That means Mosaic law is still in effect, and I deserve to be stoned because I just got done breaking the commandment against working on the Sabbath.


It seems to me that he is saying that if you break one of the lesser commandments, you won't have as high of a place in heaven than those who don't but you still go there. it doesn't seem to me that it says you go to hell for it, or receive any other punishment other than the way you will be viewed in heaven.

[four_two_zero]

the bible says Jesus Smokes it and still smokes it with his father, God.

[-Time-]

"I give you every seed bearing plant on the face of the earth...."
...God.

[RedLocks]

Jesus was the first Rasta, against Cannabis.. ***** plz!

[TallCoolOne]

Jesus turned God Damn water into wine. I dont know what u call it where yer from, but down in here in Georgia that's called bootlegging! Did Jesus have a fucking liquor licence? HELL NO! When he gave his "wine" to people, he was putting hard working, poor alcohol manufacturors out of buisiness! Do they tell u that in the bible?!? NO! Jesus was a lawbreaking, mischevious little hebrew.

In the immortal words of a Mr. Jim Gaffigan on Jesus Christs work as a carpenter building a shed for the narrator's cousin: Jesus: "I'm the son of God..." Man: "Well, right now you're building a shed, so hop to it Jesus."

[MajMike]

The answer to all our problems is both laughingly simple and numbingly complex, we must learn to truly 'love our neighbors as ourselves'.

We must learn to empathize with the ones we deal with each day, meticulously trying to be fair, honest and charitable with all men in all matters. Our 'me first' attitudes must go, both individually and nationally.

When we are mad, jealous, greedy, etc., we must step back and put ourselves in the shoes of our target, and act as we would wish to be treated.

It does sound laughingly simple doesn't it, but ancient grudges, modern economic and idealogical conflict, and human weakness render it deceptively and mind-numbingly complex (as we're seeing in Iraq).

Congratulations to all who strive every day to live this way, perhaps falling short sometimes but never ceasing to try. To those who haven't made it or even those who haven't even started, I leave you with the words of the immortal bard (Coolio :rastasmoke:):

"C U When You Get There"

[Aristotle]

There really is no debatable link between weed and religion, especially not interepretations of the bible done by 15 year old stoners. It is true that God didn't intend weed to be had by all, just to smoke up Jesus, his apostles and a dozen of his closest disciples.

It was actually the Christians who were able to get their hands on a couple hundred seeds and brought the power of marijuana to all. This, too, is the main reason Christianity swept through Europe in the Middle Ages and planting on different continents was the driving force for the missionaries to spread their word.

It's also the reason Christianity was founded in the first place, just one strong issue among a bunch of tiny ones that they didn't agree on with the Jewish people. The Christians knew they needed a little more to convince future generations that there were definitive differences between the two, so, in a moment of stoned confusion, a Christian representative said "Well how about we think of Jesus as the son of God, and the others, urr, think of.. wait, what was I talking about? Oh, prophets!"

And so it goes.

[SeaWeed005]

Did He tell you Himself?.
or was it hearsay'
the Living Jesus I know, in prayer and walking the walk.. My relationship includes smoking herb. I've asked for forgiveness if it's against His beliefs. But also prayed and thanked Him for this creative miracle herb that heals quite a bit of my illnesses. Thank-God and Praise His name for creating the seed.
:upsidedow

[DISSTroyed]

I'm afraid you're channeling the Incubush.

LMAO.





Let's try and remember the rules are different in the Old Testament and in the New Testament.

Old Testament = Slavery + Hypocrisy = Jewish Testament (Not trying to be discriminative I have nothing against any Jewish peoples or their beliefs)


New Testament = Jesus preaching to be better humans = Christian Testament
This one is less concerned about doing petty bad things and their punishments, it's more on what you SHOULD do, Christian or not, religious or not, it's about how to be a good person and how to treat your fellow human beings with respect and honor, regardless of what you consume.


In my opinion the New Testament is a different more broader yet simpler way to describe what God really wants, which is that his "children" are good upstanding beings worthy of his blessings, consuming Cannabis or Alcohol or anything for that matter, as long as they don't hinder your ability to be a good person, is not considered sinful.

[WildFire.ca]

"All these sea and earth barring plant are here for you to use" :God

[Rutherford The Brave]

Ahahaha, that's fucking awesome!

Rep for you!

Erghh and I need it... I cant even give rep yet lol.

[pixel]

Jesus 'healed using cannabis' | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html)

:D CASE CLOSED :D

[Reefer Rogue]

wow, really got flamed to hell on that one..not gonna stop smoking it but it was from the book walking with the master by elizabeth clare

Elizabeth Clare is NOT the messiah.

Whatever her opinion about cannabis, i could care less.

The herb is the key to a new understanding of the self, the universe and Jah.

'...and it was good'

[palerider7777]

It's pure blasphemy. The bible clearly says that every green herb was given to us by god, and that god wants us to use them.
Jesus loves the herb.

yea but it also says, to indulge to much in anything is bad and the use of anything to destort ur brain, is not good to do as u don't think as clear or fast as u need to. and i should say what that really means is i think it is ok to take these things, as for med use not to just go smoking to get high just to get high. but rather for med use as with alcohol or anything else not to abuse the fuck out of it just because u can!!

[palerider7777]

Did He tell you Himself?.
or was it hearsay'
the Living Jesus I know, in prayer and walking the walk.. My relationship includes smoking herb. I've asked for forgiveness if it's against His beliefs. But also prayed and thanked Him for this creative miracle herb that heals quite a bit of my illnesses. Thank-God and Praise His name for creating the seed.
:upsidedow

everything on the earth is for us to use but not abuse thats that!

[Oneironaut]

I made this picture in Photoshop for another thread, but hey, I figured it belongs here as well.

[jamstigator]

Oneironaut: "Could you teach me how to walk on water?"

I can teach you that. All it requires is a lake or stream or river and a cold winter. ;)

[Storm Crow]

Lots of info out there!

Spiritual use of cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_use_of_cannabis)

Jesus 'healed using cannabis' | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html)

Was Jesus a Stoner?: The Hempire - [cannabis, uk] (http://www.thehempire.com/index.php/cannabis/cannabis_culture/854/)

And then there's the Coptic Christians :rastasmoke:

Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church (http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/coptic.htm)

And everyone knows about the Rastafarians! So I ain't gonna bother finding a site about their beliefs.

Come on, guys- back up your arguments! It looks to me as if the "every plant bearing seed" plus the above would indicate the possibility that Jesus was not only in favor of cannabis, but that he used it also! - Granny:hippy:

[TallCoolOne]

This is why I'm Buddhist.

[Storm Crow]

And I'm Wiccan! But I'm also the granddaughter of a Congregationalist minister, who was a wise and gentle man. Only saw him angry once (at my Mom! :eek: )- and that's where the quote in my sig came from. And about our many beliefs (and the foolishness of disagreement among faiths)- I'll just quote an ancient Chinese saying.....

"There are many paths up the mountain. The view from the top is the same."

May we all journey up the mountain in peace and harmony! - Granny:hippy:

[natureisawesome]

Just read my signature. It speaks for itself.

[natureisawesome]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Speaking of Christians ignoring parts of their holy book, what's up with them not reading Matthew 5:17-19? These are supposed to be the words from Jesus' own mouth, right in the middle of the freaking Sermon on the Mount.

That means Mosaic law is still in effect, and I deserve to be stoned because I just got done breaking the commandment against working on the Sabbath.

You're right, that's why I keep the sabbath.

But the entire levitical law is not in effect. Paul says that was a"shadow of the good things to come". When he's reffering to these things, it brings to light part of the old testament. You see, under the old law, there was two parts. There was the 10 commandments which was spoken directly from God to Israel, and later written on tablets. Then there was theb rest of the law which was given to Moses and then given to the rest of the Hebrews. The tablets that had the ten commandments written on them were kept inside the ark, but the rest of the law was placed directly on the outside of the ark on the side. This is an allegory referring to the heavenly things to come that were revealed and manifested through Christ, and the rest of the law which was to pass away with the coming of the new testament.

[Oneironaut]

This is why I'm Buddhist.

Buddhist, eh? Isn't one of the Five Precepts of Buddhism to refrain from intoxicating substances? That's one of the main reason I'm not a Buddhist.

[imitator]

Buddhist, eh? Isn't one of the Five Precepts of Buddhism to refrain from intoxicating substances? That's one of the main reason I'm not a Buddhist.

The first Buddha was a prince who engaged in many many things that would be considered against the general practices of buddhism.

Here is a quote from wiki(yeah i know, dubious source) that best explains the rule, imo.


According to the fifth precept of the Pancasila, Buddhists should refrain from intoxicants, which cause a loss of mindfulness. Most Buddhist schools have strongly discouraged the use of intoxicants or psychoactives of any kind, with minor exceptions. Priests in the Soto Zen tradition of Japan, for example, are allowed to consume alcohol.


Im too baked and tired at the moment to go into much detail, so I hope that suffices. =)

[natureisawesome]

Dies this page have a glitch in it or something? I can't go to page 5.

[beachguy in thongs]

This is Page #5.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

query:
isnt it hyppocritical for one on the path of zen to denounce activities of any sort, including, but not limited to, intoxication?

is not intoxication a vital step in the path toward zen?
is not zen the cecation to care about good and bad?
then if to denounce something or elate it is not to give it a pseudo sense of good or bad? rigetous or vile?


OR, am i jsut spouting crap? i, for one, would like to know...

[Hardcore Newbie]

Dies this page have a glitch in it or something? I can't go to page 5.if you see that, I think it generally means a post from earlier has been deleted.

The fifth page gets emptied, but you can still see it in the navigation.

of course I could be totally off base :)

[LaZ]

Jesus did use cannabis:

Source1: Did Jesus use cannabis? Sex, drugs, violence, and the Bible (http://www.cannabis.net/articles/jesus-cannabis.html)

Source 2: CC11: Cannabis and the Christ: Jesus used Marijuana (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html)

Source 3: Jesus 'healed using cannabis' | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html)

Source 4: BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis linked to Biblical healing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2633187.stm)

There are many sources that state there is an almost certain chance Jesus definately used cannabis.

[natureisawesome]

There is no proof Jesus smoked pot, or was a "stoner". What nonsense. That authors book is like dan browns book, twisting history and making up stories to promote thier agena.

Even if Jesus did use cannabis, there's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't make him a stoner or some hippy.

It's just crazy how people come up with these wild definitions for Hebrrew and Greek that don't even fit the context.

[LaZ]

There is no proof Jesus smoked pot, or was a "stoner". What nonsense. That authors book is like dan browns book, twisting history and making up stories to promote thier agena.

Even if Jesus did use cannabis, there's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't make him a stoner or some hippy.

It's just crazy how people come up with these wild definitions for Hebrrew and Greek that don't even fit the context.

But there is proof that the holy annointing oil contained high levels of cannabis extract, in which the "ancient annointed ones were literally drenched" in the potent mixture.

No one said Jesus was a stoner or any of that sort. He used a plant though which aided him in healing people. Ex. epilepsy (back then aka "demonic possession") and skin diseases (leaves were used on wounds to assist the healing proccess).

[imitator]

There is, iirc, a decent span of time that is not recorded in regards to Jesus and his day to day life. Its possible he could have done pretty much anything during that time. Smoked, had sex, ran the worlds first McDonalds, who knows.

That being said, just because something is possible doesnt mean its probable. I cant say one way or another, since I wasnt there, but considering how harmless and widely used Pot is and was, I wouldnt be overly shocked to find out that jesus did smoke. Back then, it wasnt a big deal, and didnt have any kind of stigma that it has now.

[LaZ]

There is, iirc, a decent span of time that is not recorded in regards to Jesus and his day to day life. Its possible he could have done pretty much anything during that time. Smoked, had sex, ran the worlds first McDonalds, who knows.

That being said, just because something is possible doesnt mean its probable. I cant say one way or another, since I wasnt there, but considering how harmless and widely used Pot is and was, I wouldnt be overly shocked to find out that jesus did smoke. Back then, it wasnt a big deal, and didnt have any kind of stigma that it has now.

Yeah, but we are talking about what was being used in "miracles" and at ceremonies now. We aren't even talking about smoking marijuana, even though he could have. We are talking about the oils containing high levels cannabis used.

Jesus had to use cannabis or he's not christ. The Greek title "Christ" is the translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, which in English becomes "The Anointed". So if Jesus didn't use the oil, then he is not the anointed, therefore not christ. But he did use it and that is how he got his title. The kings used the holy annointing oil to become "possessed with the spirit of the lord." (As we know today: getting high lol)

[Ganj]

I think we're all egotists to believe we know what the All-Mighty really wants from us but even more so, to deny that we do. Think on that!

[natureisawesome]

Laz:



But there is proof that the holy annointing oil contained high levels of cannabis extract, in which the "ancient annointed ones were literally drenched" in the potent mixture.

No one said Jesus was a stoner or any of that sort. He used a plant though which aided him in healing people. Ex. epilepsy (back then aka "demonic possession") and skin diseases (leaves were used on wounds to assist the healing proccess).

No there isn't proof! It's just like I said, you people will eat up garbage that is undocumented and coming from the fringe but you won't even consider the truth of scripture, which is far more credible.

This stuff really burns me up. Do you study the bible? Do you use a greek and hebrew concordance? Have you even cross examined this at all?

Here's what I have found, by studying and cross examination:

These "scholars" claim that in Exodus 30:23, "calamus" was actually "kineboisin" --which is the Hebrew word for cannabis (hemp, or marijuana). Where did this supposed scholarly information come from? Well, Suspiciously, there are only a couple sources of this NEW information. There are a few different claims, but the most recent and biggest was allegedly from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in 1980. Even more suspicious is the ridiculous claim that a few people have found a NEW truth that theologians and translators have missed for thousands of years.

Allegedly, in 1903, A British physician Dr. Creighton was the first to determine that several references to cannabis can be found in the Old Testament. Interestingly, no one can seem to document this claim. Then in 1936, an etymologist Sara Benetowa (of the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw) allegedly discovered the connection between kaneh-bosem in the Old Testament, and the original Semitic Hebrew origins of the word cannabis. Again, where's the proof of these allegations?

First, are you going to believe a doctor and an etymologist over tens-of thousands of theologians and translators throughout history? Second, there are NO proofs of these claims. Third, The Hebrew University in Jerusalem is pro-homosexual.They even have the Hebrew University "Gay and Lesbian Student Union." This automatically should cause suspicion.

It was thought until recently that cannabis was not mentioned in the Bible. Scholars have argued about the etymology of kinebosm (or, kannabosm) and related words, such as "qineh," which means hemp. Previously the word was translated as sugarcane (or calamus). All of a sudden, someone has found a new doctrine. This is a classic case of how uneducated, unthinking groups create their own mythology on the internet, by simply repeating each other's errors over and over again, until everyone in the group believes it to be true, because they see it everywhere they look. The trouble is, since they refuse to look OUTSIDE of their own little community, they never learn the truth, and just continue repeating the lies. This is exactly what happened here, without any doubt. Clearly, some stoner nut saw a word in some article somewhere, misinterpreting it grossly to mean that Jesus anointed people by dunking them in cannabis oil.

The connection between cannabis and Jesus is tenuous at best. It stems from the ingredients listed in Exodus 30:23 for Anointing Oil. (The NIV translation chooses the word 'fragrant cane'. The KJV calamus.)

Several sources have connected this supposed hallucinogenic with Jesus being the 'Christ' or 'Anointed' and finishing with Shamanism. This is a great example of junk scholarship based on etymological gymnastics enabled by moving from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English (and often back again.) It is a case of someone with an agenda reading imposing their will on the text.

Rabbi Diana Villa easily debunks this ( Schechter Institute of Jewish Studies - SIJS (http://www.schechter.edu/askrabbi/fragrantcane.htm) ) :



Question

Dear Rabbi,

What is the fragrant cane (qaneh besem, kaneh bosm, kineboisin, etc) mentioned in Exodus 30:23? I understand that calamus was a mistranslation. Is it the lemon grass that I've been reading about or is it cannabis? Finally, were there prohibitionist laws against cannabis in Jerusalem during the time of Jesus?

Respectfully,

Gene

Answer

Dear Gene,

Yehudah Felix has written three books in Hebrew that relate to your questions: Biblical Vegetation published in 1957, Nature in the Biblical land, published in 1992, and Spice, Forest and Ornament Plants, published in 1997. "Kinamon" or "kinman bosem" is definitely cinnamon. It was originally used for perfume and incense and only began to be used as a spice in the Middle Ages. The tree it comes from is the cinnamonum zeylanium, which can be found in India or China. Felix, in Biblical Vegetation, writes that the Biblical kind was from China. In Spice, Forest and Ornament Plants, he says it's the Indian kind. In any case it is cinnamon. Kneh Bosem is an expensive fragrance imported from far away lands. It's apparently a tropical kind of plant. In Nature in the Biblical land, Felix writes that Kneh Bosem might come from East Africa. Other possibilities are:

1) Cymbopogon Schoenanthus, found near the Sea of Galilee;
2) Cymbopogon Martini, found in India;
3) Kalamos eodes, found near the Sea of Galilee;
4) Acorus calamus, but the reeds are not hollow as a kaneh should be;
5) Andropogon nardus, a fragant reed from India.

In all my research, I found no reference whatsoever to cannabis, and I don't know whether it existed in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus and whether there were prohibitionist laws.

Sincerely,

Rabbi Diana Villa


Even if the Bible was referring to "cannabis," rather than "calamus" (which it is not), it doesn't matter because calamus was used as an added ingredient, not as a product by itself. Exodus 30:22-25 states...


"Moreover The Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil."

As plainly described, the Biblical refers to "calamus" as a mere ingredient in the holy anointing oil, used only for anointing articles of the tabernacle and the priests. Holy oil was not to be used for anything, or anyone, else -- anyone who did was cut off from Israel.



Calamus, Acorus calamus

"This ancient herb is mentioned in the Bible and is chewed by the Natives of Northeastern Canada on a daily basis. It is also used in ayurvedic medicine for canceling out the negative effects of consistent marijuana smoking. This makes it an especially good smoke for those who are quitting long term marijuana use. In small doses it is a stimulant. In large internal doses it is hallucinogenic. It's main ingredient (TMA) is more psychoactive by weight than mescaline. However, smoking it will not cause psychic pyrotechnics. It appears to provide a relaxed, pleasant, mild psychotropic effect very different from Marijuana. It is very unlike calming herbs used to quit Marijuana because it will make your head cloudy."

Herbal Smoking Mixtures (http://home.teleport.com/~howieb/smoking/smoke4.html)


The English word "calamus," was derived from the Latin word for "cane," and is used to translate the Hebrew word "qaneh" (pronounced "Kaw-neh"). Calamus is mentioned in the Scriptures as one of the ingredients of the holy anointing oil used by the Levite priests in the Old Testament. Calamus is also often translated as "sweet cane," "sweet flag," or "fragrant cane." Probably indigenous to India, Acorus calamus is now found across Europe, in southern Russia, northern Asia Minor, southern Siberia, China, Japan, Burma, Sri Lanka, and northern USA. It refers to a plant originally found in India which was dried and used in precious perfumes. It was traded in markets widely through the Middle East, as the Lord even mentions Himself...


"Moreover the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil." -Exodus 30:22-25

Carefully notice that God is giving Moses a formula for making holy anointing oil and; NOT, a herbal formula for Moses to get high on. Even the word "sweet" indicates that the Bible is referring to calamus (often called "sweet cane") and; NOT, cannabis, which is not sweet.

I have no problem with Jesus using cannabis. I do have a problem when people spread unverified rumors about the bible. At least cross analize.

[Blitzed]

I have no problem with Jesus using cannabis. I do have a problem when people spread unverified rumors about the bible. At least cross analize.

Well, sir I would like you too show me proof for every story in the bible, to me the bible is the BIGGEST unverified rumor of all time, and many people have fallen victim to it.

Oh yeah, and if Jesus never used cannabis, then he was never the Christ, just a carpenter.

CC11: Cannabis and the Christ: Jesus used Marijuana (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html)[/B]

[imitator]

Third, The Hebrew University in Jerusalem is pro-homosexual.They even have the Hebrew University "Gay and Lesbian Student Union." This automatically should cause suspicion.

I am not sure how to take this.

I think Ill just ask you to clarify what you meant with this instead of jumping to any conclusions.

[mfqr]

I don't think the bible ever stated any bias against cannabis, but even if it does, who cares? It's not like there's any proof that the bible holds any truth in reality anyway (not trying to start an argument).

[natureisawesome]

Imitator



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natureisawesome:

Third, The Hebrew University in Jerusalem is pro-homosexual.They even have the Hebrew University "*** and *** Student Union." This automatically should cause suspicion.
I am not sure how to take this.

I think Ill just ask you to clarify what you meant with this instead of jumping to any conclusions.

Well the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong, and anyone who "interperets" the bible to come to such a great doctrinal error should immediately cause immense suspicion as to whether they come to the right conclusion about something even harder to discern such as this.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Imitator



Well the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong, and anyone who "interperets" the bible to come to such a great doctrinal error should immediately cause immense suspicion as to whether they come to the right conclusion about something even harder to discern such as this.And how can anyone agree that homosexuality is wrong on a moral level? No one, only with religion. Anyone that claims this and thinks that they have, or embrace, better morals is beyond my help.

[Captain Hanks]

Calamus is a common marsh plant. In ezekial God becomes angry when they didn't bring him any "exotic calamus from distant lands." Cannabis was grown distant from the tabernacle (most likely) during this time. Saying that calamus was the correct translation of kaneh-bosm when translating from Hebrew to Greek (the words differ by an accent mark, easy mistake) would have rendered Gods' complaint ridiculous. "Though has not broughten me any common marsh plant from distant lands." (After this episode the tents were filled with smoke).

[stoned muerte]

unless you know jesus personaly than dont say your oppinion of his oppinion

[natureisawesome]

captain hanks:


Calamus is a common marsh plant. In ezekial God becomes angry when they didn't bring him any "exotic calamus from distant lands." Cannabis was grown distant from the tabernacle (most likely) during this time. Saying that calamus was the correct translation of kaneh-bosm when translating from Hebrew to Greek (the words differ by an accent mark, easy mistake) would have rendered Gods' complaint ridiculous. "Though has not broughten me any common marsh plant from distant lands." (After this episode the tents were filled with smoke).


Here is the passage from Ezekiel. This is the only mention of calamus in ezekiel. It is part of a prophecy directed towards Tyre. There is no mention of God getting angry because they couldn't find calamus. There is no proof to support whether calamus was grown near the tabernacle. There is no mention of the tent being filled with smoke. (let alone smoke of marijauna). There was incense used by the preists, but there is no proof whatsoever that it was marijuana or that it even hints toward it.)



ezekiel 27

17Judah, and the land of Israel, they were thy merchants: they traded in thy market wheat of Minnith, and Pannag, and honey, and oil, and balm.

18Damascus was thy merchant in the multitude of the wares of thy making, for the multitude of all riches; in the wine of Helbon, and white wool.

19Dan also and Javan going to and fro occupied in thy fairs: bright iron, cassia, and calamus, were in thy market.

The micture they used with calamus was not for anything other than anointing the preists and items in the temple. That's it. If anyone else used it, they would be cut off from Israel as I pointed out before.

Also remember that the same word used for calamus is used several times as "reed" or "water plant", several times. cannabis is not a water plant, it's not a reed.

[temujin8]

clearly the man was a mystical hippie... long hair... beard... usually happy most of the time chilled out and performed "magic" sounds like he rocked the ganja to me... anyone disagree?:D
me being a jackass aside the bible says "And God said, ...to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 1:29-31"

And for the record books I am not a Christian and don't believe in "God" as the bible states "he" is although i believe in a greater power nor do i know if i believe there is any validity in the book of Genesis. that is to settle the argument of anyone debating weather God thinks cannabis is "sinfull" we arnt smoking the tree of knowledge here...

[RasBardhylis]

Good Point!

RasBardhylis

http://www.aquacorps.com/zzpassthechalice.jpg

[angry nomad]

Jesus smoked weed. That is all.

[texas grass]

i hit the bong with some dude named jesus earlier today:thumbsup:

[BathingApes]

The Bible is ridiculous.. It has justification for anything in there, seriously. You know theres a section in Mark I believe where a non-Jewish woman asks Jesus to heal her daughter and he replies "It is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs." Only after she constantly barrages him with her pleas does he finally give in..

This is why you can take the Bible to mean anything you like, its text, its in language. The same sentence can have multiple meanings - this is exactly why we have people blowing each other up in the name of religion. Its how you interpret the things you read that matters, not what is actually written.

As someone said earlier in this post:

"That authors book is like dan browns book, twisting history and making up stories to promote thier agena."

Kind of like the Bible then huh?

[TryptamineScape]

I think the real Jesus would surprise alot of people. You can give people proof all day long and they'll still never believe you. Even if the Bible says it. I would like to think Jesus probably did partake in Cannabis in one form or another. Simply because of the times. Alot of people would have use it as a medicine, intoxicant, whatever. It's no different than wine. It makes sense that people living in a dry climate without refridgeration would prefer to have alot of wine laying around because it would keep much longer than something without alcohol. Christians still like to fight about whether drinking is right or wrong though. I mean...

I dunno where people get the idea that one of the apostles used the guards sword in the garden of gethsemane during jesus's arrest...it clearly states:
"With that, one of jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. -Matthew 26:27

well duh...

But now, whoever has a purse, let him take it, and likewise a wallet. Whoever has none, let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword. -Luke 22:36

Why does a "peaceful" Jesus want 12 armed men following him around?

I don't think the question should even be asked whether or not Jesus used cannabis until we figure out who exactly Jesus is. He's not quite as most would believe.

[Jah420]

I'm sorry to announce but I found out today that Jesus is indeed against the use of cannabis..oh well.. :stoned::rasta::rastasmoke:


damn, better roll another one up because of that

word

[SFGurrilla]

How do you think Aristotle and some of these guys came up with these ideas they had. Marijuana. Who else could of come up with an ingenious idea to create the world in seven days with a complete understanding of spiritual concept that is incorperated into everything. Only a toker.

[jennielee685]

I think god likes when I smoke. It makes for realy interesting conversation, and I always get some awsome ideas about the meaning of life and stuff. Besides, if he doesn't like it, I could always do the 11th hour confession and all will be forgiven.

[Yah dumb nug!]

damn, better roll another one up because of that

Indeed:thumbsup:

:stoned:

[smartin.2006]

Psalms 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth" (posted this on another thread also). Timothy 4:1-4 (warns of false teachers) Timothy 4:3 "They will say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods." Cannabis is actually mentioned in the bible but was translated as calamus by the king james translators, it is used as an ingredient for a healing anointment. I can keep going but I will only quote the bible once more, Isaiah 18:4-5 "The Lord said â?¦Afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches." :jointsmile:

[TheGreatBenzino]

First, you need a shitload of Jell-o...

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that shit is TOO RICH! A MARVELOUS ANSWER!

[L Rag]

The best way I can explain this is trying to fully understand the concept of duality and understanding early Christianity.

Lets start from the beginning. The Bible has both an Old and a New Testament. The Old is the old law..and the New is the new law. We'll consider the OT "Dark" because of its draconian laws....and the NT "Light" for its love and acceptance of sinners.

Then this man Y'shua of Nazareth comes along in the mid 20s-30s AD preaching love and acceptance. He went AGAINST the established religious order.

My research and beliefs have led me to believe that Jesus came to fully explain the purpose of religion...that it is basically a test and it is not really needed...as love is the way to God...not rules and regulations as the OT concerned itself with. He displayed the balance of "rules and love". Yes rules are put in place...put you learn why they are broken.

Jesus was than crucified as a criminal. In the Synoptic Gospels (Matt-Mark-Luke), Jesus is crucified because he cleanses the Temple. In John..which is really a Gnostic influenced Gospel which was almost ousted from the Bible, Jesus is crucified for raising Lazarus. Understand the differences too between the Gospels as there are contradictions to them.

Jesus was a rebel, plain and simple. He forgave others, where the law said to condemn. HE SHOWED COMPASSION!!!! That is integration of both light/dark. Jesus' god was not the God of destruction or the dead...but of life.

No pain...no gain. We need evil and bad stuff in this world so we can realize that it is the struggle which makes us grow spiritually. Jesus discovered this and taught it. As much as I don't like it in my current mindset here on Earth..I accept it.
You still didn't answer how it was justifiable that Jesus wanted gays and rape victims stoned to death...
How the fuck is that 'showing compassion' ?

[SirReal]

damn, better roll another one up because of that

now THATS taking a page from the bible :jointsmile::thumbsup:

[mfqr]

If Jesus is against cannabis, then who cares? Are you really going to let an imaginary being run your life? Come on now...

[TryptamineScape]

hahahaha...man...that made more sense than you probably intended it too mfgr

[lildicedan]

It's pure blasphemy. The bible clearly says that every green herb was given to us by god, and that god wants us to use them.
Jesus loves the herb.

damn right, like even if the religions tell us not to use it because it will harm us, back in the prophets and messiahs and all those peoples time, no one know that it could harm you in that kinda way, im muslim and it states that we cant drink but it doesnt say anything about tobacco let alone marijuana which some people think is safer than tobacco

[mfqr]

hahahaha...man...that made more sense than you probably intended it too mfgr

LOL. Thanks for the rep. Rep you as well. By the way, I love your name.

Just as a side note, it's mfqr with a Q, not a G :).

To all who are debating in this thread:

You're all here on a website dedicated to the insemination of information about cannabis. Unless you want to quit the consumption of cannabis based on something imaginary, then this debate is pointless. You also might want to realize that if Jesus is against cannabis, and thinks it's bad, then he's obviously wrong.

[bogoljub777]

JESUS ISNT AGAINST CANNABIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

in no form or fashion. i know from firsthand expierences biyatches!!!!! i know jesus firsthand, and he be smokin that bud all day long.

im joking, but at the same time im being serious. jesus smoked bud.

[Gundari]

In my humble opinion, live your life the way you think you should. God, if he exists, wouldnt have given you free will if he didnt want you to seek things out and draw your own conclusions.

Its rather presumptious of anyone, regaurdless of religion, to try and speculate what someone from over 2000 years ago (be he the son of god, or not) would say about a present day situation.

[qontrolfreak]

No, it's not that obvious. Not if you actually study the context the story was written in and the history of the book. The ancient Jews most likely did not know of the intoxicating properties of the cannabis plant. After all, they lived in the frickin desert, where there aren't that many weed plants.

Next you're going to try to tell me that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was weed too, and the fruit that Adam and Eve ate was really just a fruity nug that they smoked.


I doubt Ancient Judaea did not know of the intoxicating effects of Cannabis. And Israel is not complete desert, I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not :thumbsup:

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

For some reason I read the thread title as "Jesus is against cannibals."

I think I need to go to bed.

[bogoljub777]

weed was the forbidden tree in the garden of eden, which is in iraq.

[bogoljub777]

im confirmed dna type to be of middle eastern origin, so this is just my cup of tea. its my book, and my tradition.

im telling you. jesus was into pot. there is no way he couldnt be!

[funfubarman]

Did Jesus use cannabis? Sex, drugs, violence, and the Bible (http://cannabis.net/articles/jesus-cannabis.html)

[swice1]

Jump 4 Jesus!

..like a dog

[phatsesh101]

genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

there it is, not to mention god speaking through the burning bush
and personally i dont think jesus really gave a crap about weed seeing as how hes turning water to wine running with hookers and all.performing miracles remember when the bible was writen by a man it was for the purpose to control a kingdom whose people feared god more than local laws cause if you think people are stupid now thousands of years ago man. marriage is between a man and a woman is a good law whaen people are getting sick from fucking sheep. men killing each other cause everybody is banging their nieghbors wife.

[chemisti3]

i dont know why everyone is being caught up from this.. pureevil sounds like a person who doesnt believe in the whole christanity bit.. in the old testament many ppl got stoned from illegal acts.. stoned as in killed by stones.. surely times has changed... but the bible doesnt really talk about weed... nor does it say that you will goto hell from smoking it.. people infer that it is evil.. i say since its vague, people have their own opinion and listen to other ignorant people saying its evil.. im sure pureevil has never read the bible.. but you dont need to read to bible to know that what your doing is holy.. smoking weed and doing something immoral doesnt mean your doing something holy..

[Smudgeyboy]

The bible is outdated, its funny I have a friend that puts all of his faith into the bible, then thinks the shit that I read isnt real. I mean if you believe in the bible at all you have to believe in spiritual power, because it was just about a man who was a fully enabled human that displayed incredible spiritual power. Any of you can have all the abilities Jesus had, why not?
This is a good point, we use what 10% of our brain? 20% at most?
Jesus used more, simply. So did Shiva, Mohammed, all these 'Gods'

Do you know what was taken out of the Bible?
Jesus said 'All these things I do, you can do and more'


OF COURSE JESUS LIKED WEED
FFS, That's a silly statement! :D

[sheilovealways]

I'm a Pagan, I do believe Jesus walked this Earth, and I believe he was/is a very special person, but I have serious problems with the bible, some things I hold very dear to my heart ' do unto others as you would have them do unto you ' rings very true with me.

I believe there is evil, but not a devil. I believe Heaven and Hell is right here on Earth - it is what you make of your own life that determines whether your life is Heaven or Hell.

Cannabis is a medicinal herb, when used in moderation should never be considered a sin.

Take THC out of my system and watch this peace loving tree hugger turn into a wicked witch (happens after a few days of no appetite/food, and no relief from stress).

My Goddess is Mother Earth and Cannabis is Her, so to take into myself Cannabis is to take my Goddess into myself and be One with Her.:hippy:

[SnSstealth]

well, if LEO, my angry mother and a pissed off ex didnt make me stop. im damn sure jesus' thoughts (or his followers for that matter) on it wouldnt affect me one bit.:jointsmile:

db:smokin:

[L Rag]

This is a good point, we use what 10% of our brain? 20% at most?


That's completely and utterly false, we use most of our brain, that's like the biggest false rumour ever.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

That's completely and utterly false, we use most of our brain, that's like the biggest false rumour ever.


i think 10% refers to how much we consciously use, that is how much we are, actively, in control of using.

[Breukelen advocaat]

The 10% brain myth has gotten a very interesting debunking on Snopes:

snopes.com: Ten Percent of our Brains (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

The 10% brain myth has gotten a very interesting debunking on Snopes:

snopes.com: Ten Percent of our Brains (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp)


yeah, how many things do we do that actively engage 100% of the brain's potential?

[illuminati]

"That's completely and utterly false, we use most of our brain, that's like the biggest false rumour ever."

Well...100+ years of documented study by people who devote their lives to the study of the human brain may have a better idea than just your OWN personal opinion.

the acutal SCIENTIFIC numbers are as follows:

12% consciuos

88% SUBconscious

You do not CONSCOIUSLY use the other 88% because it is being used for bodily functions, memory, digestion and many other factors your consciuos mind cannot handle.

if it did you would forget to breathe.

Now, to think that 88% of your brain is just sitting there wasting space, or has un-lockeable telekenetic abilities is as rash as believing that in the time the theoretical jesus walked the earth,performing healings and miracles, to believe that he did NOT use the MOST COMMON FORM OF MEDICINE IN THE AINCIENT WORLD to heal is as such niave.

Thats like saying modern doctors do not use saline or ibuprofin.

seriously.


Utilize that 12% EFFECTIVELY.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

"That's completely and utterly false, we use most of our brain, that's like the biggest false rumour ever."

Well...100+ years of documented study by people who devote their lives to the study of the human brain may have a better idea than just your OWN personal opinion.

the acutal SCIENTIFIC numbers are as follows:

12% consciuos

88% SUBconscious

You do not CONSCOIUSLY use the other 88% because it is being used for bodily functions, memory, digestion and many other factors your consciuos mind cannot handle.

if it did you would forget to breathe.

Now, to think that 88% of your brain is just sitting there wasting space, or has un-lockeable telekenetic abilities is as rash as believing that in the time the theoretical jesus walked the earth,performing healings and miracles, to believe that he did NOT use the MOST COMMON FORM OF MEDICINE IN THE AINCIENT WORLD to heal is as such niave.

Thats like saying modern doctors do not use saline or ibuprofin.

seriously.


Utilize that 12% EFFECTIVELY.



Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! we have a winner!

[L Rag]

"That's completely and utterly false, we use most of our brain, that's like the biggest false rumour ever."

Well...100+ years of documented study by people who devote their lives to the study of the human brain may have a better idea than just your OWN personal opinion.

the acutal SCIENTIFIC numbers are as follows:

12% consciuos

88% SUBconscious

You do not CONSCOIUSLY use the other 88% because it is being used for bodily functions, memory, digestion and many other factors your consciuos mind cannot handle.

if it did you would forget to breathe.

Now, to think that 88% of your brain is just sitting there wasting space, or has un-lockeable telekenetic abilities is as rash as believing that in the time the theoretical jesus walked the earth,performing healings and miracles, to believe that he did NOT use the MOST COMMON FORM OF MEDICINE IN THE AINCIENT WORLD to heal is as such niave.

Thats like saying modern doctors do not use saline or ibuprofin.

seriously.


Utilize that 12% EFFECTIVELY.
Dude, you miss my point completely.
I was replying to Smudgeyboy - "This is a good point, we use what 10% of our brain? 20% at most?"
Where did he say consciously? Where did I say consciously? I only argued that we don't use 10% of our brains, I never said anything about conscious use. And I know you're right, most of it is unconscious, like all of the reptilian brain just used for heart beat,respiration,keeping chemical levels constant etc... But I wasn't WRONG, we we're both right, you just misunderstood me.
Btw, it's not my own personal opinion, it's the opinion of many psychology text books and my university lecturers.

[illuminati]

"... But I wasn't WRONG, we we're both right, you just misunderstood me."


I just jumped in the forum...didn't even read your post.


I just threw it out there.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

brain scans look like a butterfly.


now think about that, the superconscious...



the "flap" of a "butterfly's wings" can cause tsunamis across the globe.


maybe that's code for superconscious psychic powerz! :D


im mostly kidding, but who knows what kind of vibrations the brain gives off... technically vibrations never die, they just disperse and become larger and less noticable as they travel outward from the source...

[blackdragon]

This is my first post, and I must agree with the rastafarian. Marijuana
is mentioned in the bible as a constituent part of the 'holy annointing oil', which was used to annoint Jesus Christ, even immediately prior to his crucifiction. It is mentioned as 'kanna-bos', in the Hebrew bible I believe, which is arguably similar to a plant called calamus. It translates into english as 'the fragrant reed', and it is thought to have grown adjacent to running bodies of water in sandy areas. The holy annointing oil is said to have consisted of olive oil, cinnamon, myrrh, cannabis, and some other herbs and ingredients and it makes sense as the olive oil would break down the THC and dissolve it into the mixture through mashing in a mortar bowl. It may be sinful for the way it is consumed by smoking and by not practicing moderation.

[Gatekeeper777]

BULLSHIT!!!!!!! he claims he is the son of god. his father created ALL living things PLANT and ANIMAL to use. In Genesis, God gives humankind "every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth"
Now your father gives you a new sports car but your uncle JEsus takes the KEYS!
Hot wire it and fire it up!
dad said so!

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

BULLSHIT!!!!!!! he claims he is the son of god. his father created ALL living things PLANT and ANIMAL to use. In Genesis, God gives humankind "every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth"
Now your father gives you a new sports car but your uncle JEsus takes the KEYS!
Hot wire it and fire it up!
dad said so!



good point. but then comes into play, the right and wrong way to use anything, tools, cars, plants, etc.


using a gun to shoot a person = wrong
using a gun to protect a person from another person = neutral
using a gun for target practice = okay



uh i g2g lol we'll chat more! :P

[Gatekeeper777]

Then thats humanitys fault. maybe we should ban cars (people get run over sometimes on purpose). if you believe in god then you must believe in the devil. You cant have good without bad up with out down and left without right.
It is in the heart of the user as to if its good or bad. Should we then ban Jesus?
Jim Jones Guyana.??????????????? David Koresh Waco???????????
twisted words for twisted minds.
Why not ban humanity??? lets get it over with. the great experment of the gods.
I liken what the bible says to playing the game "grapevine" in kindergarden.
the bible was an oral tradition for hundereds of years untill the printing press, and even then you had to be wealthy or reley on monks or priests to translate cus the masses couldn't read let alone speak greek, hewbrew or latin.
So every new generation added or subtracted or translated it differantly ( thus the number of denominations).
For example when i was a young boy we played GRAPEVINE. the teacher would have us sit in a tight circle and she would whisper it in the persons ear next to her. and then it would get passed on to the next person and so on untill it got to the last person who would blert it out. 9 times out of 10 what started out as "Spot was a good dog" ended up as something totally diferant.
Cannabis is here to help humanity, humanity is here to profit from its prohibition.

jesus was a stoner.
thus the robe and sandles.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

banning things wont make a damned bit of difference, actually, no, it would create more problems.


banning something only creates more problems than leaving the banned subject alone.



for example, banning guns would make gun users into criminals that they are not.
banning cannabis has turned ordinary people into criminals where there are none.
banning anything only creates more problems than are trying to be resolved by banning something.


what we need is not regulations and authority, but PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

it's not the resources that we use that are at fault, it is US.

[Gatekeeper777]

ok lets ban common sense

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

ok lets ban common sense

IT'S BEEN BANNED FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN ALIVE, IT NEEDS TO MAKE A FUCKING COMEBACK IF ANYTHING!

O_O

[blackdragon]

Jesus Christ and the Father are one and the same.

Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.


This proves that Jesus and God Almighty are the same. Thus, if God made all the herbs for us to use, then it makes sense that it would be a part of the holy annointing oil, since it is said in the bible that anything this oil touches is instantly made holy, and Jesus was annointed frequently with cannabis- laced oil - which would probably get you kinda high if used topically like lotion. THC lotion.....may be on to something there...

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Jesus Christ and the Father are one and the same.

Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.


This proves that Jesus and God Almighty are the same. Thus, if God made all the herbs for us to use, then it makes sense that it would be a part of the holy annointing oil, since it is said in the bible that anything this oil touches is instantly made holy, and Jesus was annointed frequently with cannabis- laced oil - which would probably get you kinda high if used topically like lotion. THC lotion.....may be on to something there...


way to confuse the concepts of the past with improper translations from Hebrew! :thumbsup:

[JohnnyZ]

And Jesus entered the temple, where the disciples were smoking ganj. "Why tokest thou of this herb? Dost thou not know that mine Father hath forbidden its usage, for it is but a tool of Satan?" And the disciples did extinguish the flame and start a D.A.R.E. group."

I think everyone needs to stop arguing and appreciate this one more time.

Hahaha

[Mr. Happy]

The Holy Spirit can find use in anything. Used in love, cannabis can serve the good of the whole. Used without love, its just another idol, a drug. MH

[Mr. Happy]

I am not "religious" I follow no guidelines as to how to guide my spirituality. I am getting this crap (you can call truth crap, its still not going to change just for you) from sincerly studying spiritual text only that I believe to be true.

Judgement is a human ideal, God does not judge, God will love you completely and equally no matter what you do in this life. There is no judgement.

Say for instance, man is running from God ever since the fall of Adam... God loves man but man fears the judgement of God and pursues things that help compensate for the Love of God (namely idols). In this pursuit, we evolve through stages of Knowledge (Gnostic Knowledge, tree of good & evil...). Jesus (and many other teachers) attempt to teach us that All is Forgiven, but we just don't get it (what does the poor guy have to do, get crucified?)

Jesus knows that idols only serve to perpetuate the belief that our world is good enough and we don't need Gods Love. Our egos would kill God in order that we may be gods. Cannabis, or anything else in this world, isn't evil, its nothing but illusions that we made up relative to the Primary error. The First error of Adam was that the unbelievable belief that God banished him, when he banished himself and has been running ever since.

Just a thought. Talk amongst yourselves. MH

[blackdragon]

way to confuse the concepts of the past with improper translations from Hebrew! :thumbsup:

There are indeed two different translations from Hebrew on the word that can be translated as calamus, another aromatic plant, and cannabis. It has been argued as meaning calamus, and other times as cannabis. I personally believe it was indeed cannabis, simply from the constituents of the oil. THC is not water soluble but is soluble in fats and oils. The olive oil in the annointing oil would indeed dissolve the THC into solution.....which in turn, the effervescent myrhh or mint or whatever, would facilitate the absorption into the epidermis by causing the pores to dilate. Im not sure of calamus' essence being fat soluble or not. Both calamus (sweet flag) and cannabis can be described as a 'fragrant reed', and would grow exceptionally well in sandy soil with water nearby, such as the wetlands. Calamus also contains a chemical called asarone, which is a pest killer and antibacterial. So either way, both concoctions should have medicinal effects. I discount neither. Calamus is also hallucinogenic, so either way, Jesus was getting HIGH. And so was whoever was annointed. In Exodus 30:23 "kaneh bosem" is translated "fragrant cane" or "fragrant reed". I think the etymology of the word is neutral, and translation is basically semantics, seeing as both plants are PSYCHOACTIVE.

[Jesusgreen]

Why did Jesus cover people in Cannabis oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_anointing_oil) then?

;)

Edit: I disagree with the Calamus translation. While it has medicinal benefits it does not exhibit some of the extreme effects that the holy anointing oil was said to produce in the Bible, e.g. healing skin diseases and curing sight problems. (Glaucoma anyone?)

[Sistar]

Pure Evil, who started this thread mentions Elizabeth Claire as his scource. Uhm, that being Elizabeth Claire Prophet, the cult leader from montana. Prolly not so reliable...

[blackdragon]

It has be reported for a long time that the essential oils of marijuana have an antibacterial, viricidal and antifungal effect. Also a recent issue of HT had an article describing the anticancer effects of essential oils of cannabis, namely the fact that thc has the effect of giving cancer cells the munchies, causing them to shift to a phase called autophagy, in which the oils initiate automatic programmed cell death in the affected cancer cell, which in turns triggers a cascade of programmed cell death (necrosis) in the surrounding cancerous tissue, yet leaving normal healthy tissue alone. A man has been reportedly going around the country for the past 20 years or so administering this treatment and successfully curing a multiple range of cancers, including stage 4 lung carcinoma and malignant melanoma. The oils were ingested for the internal cancers and applied topically for the skin cancers. The man has been harrased and arrested repeatedly by the Feds and they follow and harrass him.

[DreadedHermie]

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[BlueBlazer]

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[ForgetClassC]

It's MALARKEY! I say, MALARKEY!

[j420heat]

I'm sorry to announce but I found out today that Jesus is indeed against the use of cannabis..oh well.. :stoned::rasta::rastasmoke:

that contradicts what god says in the bible so i'll stick with what the man up stairs says, plus its alot better than most other pills and meds that are out there

[420IAMthatIAM]

Any thing that controls your life in a negative way is sin. For some 1 beer is to many. For those to drink is a sin. Some people cannot control their lust, and thus it rules their life and is a sin. Some people's lives are ruled solely by $$, and thus greed is a sin. That does not mean for any one to drink a few beers, enjoy sex, and want to save a few bucks is a sin. I believe that any thing in excess can be sinful. Seek moderation and follow the ten commandments, which by the way are good thinmgs to do anyway.
STIMPY1

all things are lawful for me,though not all things are useful to me,but i will not become a slave by anything.....thats in the bible

[mikesrozer]

Hi PureEvil760! But Cannabis plant is not being misused. Its just one of the best medicine for many severe diseases. Its the best way to safe human from incurable diseases.