income taxes are a fraud.

[D.Boone]

the income tax is a fraud on the american people there is no law that requires the average american citizen working in the private sector to pay a federal income tax. if you file a 1040 you waive your 5th amendment right. see more at...

America: Freedom to Fascism (http://www.freedomtofacism.com)
We The People Foundation & We The People Congress (http://www.givemeliberty.org)

[Sun Is Shining]

income taxes are direct and not apportioned which means they are in violation of the constitution...so why is nothing done about it?

[MysticStylez]

income taxes are direct and not apportioned which means they are in violation of the constitution...so why is nothing done about it?

Very good question

[MrNiceGuy420]

This is a 2 hour video, yes it is long, but this is one of the most important and shocking videos ive ever seen. Please redistribute this video to everyone you know, post it everywhere you can. This video reveals the truth about the IRS, the Federal Reserve System, and the Federal Income Tax. This video reveals the reason why the government wants radio-frequency identification chips implanted inside your Real ID card which will soon replace your current drivers lisence, your money, and inside all products you buy. This video reveals why some very powerfull people want a world government, this is already started by the North American Union. Ladies and gentlemen....America: Freedom to Fascism

America: Freedom to Fascism - Director's Authorized Version (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=America%3A+Freedom+to+Fascism&total=718&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

[MrNiceGuy420]

there was a reason why i didnt post this in the conspiracy forum:mad:....if you mods would watch the video you would know it isnt a conspiracy

[halo]

Yeah seriously this is not a conspiracy movie. Maybe put it in politics or movies section. It talks about the income tax and the federal reserve and how it was put in place. It also talks about why it is unconstitutional. It is not a conspiracy movie. It isn't like Loose Change.

[Psycho4Bud]

Just a bit over a minute into this it states on how three bankers silently took over the government and you don't think that this is a conspiracy? It'll stay where it's at.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Staurm]

Isn't it largely down to how one personally consider the content of a post as valid or not? I consider a lot of what I read in the politics section as conspired by governments to gain support for their war on terror. As for this, I have no idea. It wouldn't surprise me, the capitalists have a very significant and undemocratic influence on government policy these days.

[Psycho4Bud]

The first version of an income tax was during the Civil War for funding. When this law was enacted was in 1913....one year before our involvement in WW1 not to mention the industrial revolution that took place. If there was no income tax what would happen to all these welfare programs, highway systems not to mention the military. Keep in mind also that we didn't go away from the gold standard until the 1970's. To try to put this down as three bankers looking to take over the world is nothing less than a conspiracy theory and IF it is true.....it's the largest conspiracy that this country has ever seen.

In conclusion........this thread belongs right here.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Staurm]

You are right, I'm sure it was more than just three bankers looking to take over the world. Either way, income tax is still better than window tax!

Daylight robbery (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/daylight%20robbery.html)

[PharmaCan]

You are right, I'm sure it was more than just three bankers looking to take over the world. Either way, income tax is still better than window tax!

Daylight robbery (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/daylight%20robbery.html)

I hate to appear stupid, but what the hell is "window tax"?

[Staurm]

Tax on windows. It's in the link I provided.

[MrNiceGuy420]

.....if only people would watch the video before making judgements....they arnt so much trying to take over the world, its the fact that they control our government with the fact that they control the governments money. it doesnt matter who makes the laws because money will make people do what they want. if you would watch the video, you would see that the services you expect from your government are already paid for by other legal taxes. the income tax you pay is uncontitutional and goes right into the bankers and polititians pockets. you cant watch .6% of the video and get the big picture.

[Psycho4Bud]

Seriously, dont be dumb and watch the first minute of the movie and think you know what it is about, im about half way through it. Though I've already knowon you dont have to pay income taxes, its cool there are more doctumentaries.

I'll ignore that little comment this one time and advise you to read this:
Budget of the United States Government, FY 2008 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/)

Go through the ENTIRE thing and tell me where the money would come from.

$647.2 billion for national defense
Defense Analysis Bulletin No. 2 - Experts give poor grades to expected defense budget proposal (http://www.comw.org/pda/dab/dab2.html)

U.S. Department of Transportation...$40 Billion
Budget in Brief - FY 2008 (http://www.dot.gov/bib2008/bibpart05fhwa.htm)

Social Security - $544 billion
Medicare - $325 billion
Medicaid - $186 billion
All other mandatory programs - $357 billion. These programs include Food Stamps, Unemployment Compensation, Child Nutrition, Child Tax Credits, Supplemental Security for the blind and disabled, Student Loans, and Retirement / Disability programs for Civil Servants, the Coast Guard and the Military
US Federal Budget - How the FY 2008 Social Security Budget and Medicare Budget Affects the US Economy (http://useconomy.about.com/od/fy2008budget/p/2008_Mandatory.htm)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Staurm]

Budget of the United States Government, FY 2008 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/)

Go through the ENTIRE thing and tell me where the money would come from.


Without doing that, I'll take a guess and say it comes out of the pockets of working class men..?

Don't know what it's like in the US but the rich get loads of tax breaks over here, leaving the lower earners to pay disproportionatly high shares of the tax revenue.

It's that way because the rich elite have made it that way. Not saying anything about the validity of this conspiracy theory which I admittedly have only watched the first few minutes of (too busy watching Emerdale and Corrie the night, lad)... it's just that is the way things are here.

EDIT: Maybe some if it comes from money that the Bank of America earns from private investment in the UK's public services?

[MrNiceGuy420]

the federal income tax does not pay for anything besides the interest on the national debt. why do we have debt? because every dollar the government borrows from the federal reserve system (which is a private bank...no more federal that federal express) has a certain percent of interest...so the government is constantly paying off thier debt, just to end up with more debt. the government of the united states of america WORKS for the federal reserve system. how do we end the cycle? abolish the federal reserve system and replace it with a federal bank, not private. then there will be no need for the federal income tax or IRS. why hasnt it been stoped? because the bankers pay HUGE amounts of money to polititians to keep doing what they want.

[Psycho4Bud]

and youre talking about misinformation, if we didnt have income taxes, we would still have the money to fund those things,
oh and props to MrNiceGuy

And who has this magic hat?

Tell ya what....I'll move this to politics but it surely isn't meant for the lounge. I even left another one week redirect so hopefully this debate gets a bit more attention.:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[pisshead]

YouTube - Ron Paul on Neil Cavuto Show 6-26-07 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZnzGredcIs)

ron paul owns neil cavuto on the federal reserve and income tax...

people don't even know how the country was funded before the federal reserve and graduated income tax...

there are other legal sources of taxation, but the direct and unapportioned graduated income tax is not one of them...

why on earth people think we need to pay interest to some private bank to print money out of thin air astonishes me...until we get back to real, constitutional money, we're only going to have more debt and more inflation...

[GonzoForever]

Interesting.

[onequestion]

Well, thats the last straw. I'm moving to Canada. I knew we were headed towards fascism but i didnt know we were this close.

Did anybody here move from the US to Canada? I am seriously considering it and I want to know whether the same problems are over there as over here. I dont wanna be in the US of A when we go the way of the Romans because we decided to spend a lot more money than we had. Can't we learn anything from history?

[Psycho4Bud]

We really didn't have a national debt untill WW2...sure would have been nice if some of our European allies would have paid us off instead of sticking us with the bill.

The worst shape we were in as far as debt was back in the latter 40's though the 50's when the debt was more than our GDP. Right now I think we are at about 74%.

Have a good one!:s4:

[pisshead]

Well, thats the last straw. I'm moving to Canada. I knew we were headed towards fascism but i didnt know we were this close.

Did anybody here move from the US to Canada? I am seriously considering it and I want to know whether the same problems are over there as over here. I dont wanna be in the US of A when we go the way of the Romans because we decided to spend a lot more money than we had. Can't we learn anything from history?

a heavy progressive or graduated income tax is also a pretty "communist" thing...it isn't communist or fascist though...those are just buzz words...

but it is tyrannical...and anti-freedom...

[ncnavguy]

The income tax is a good and nesscary thing, yes it sucks and yes the middle to lower classes pay the bulk of it, but that is simply a function of their are many more poor people than rich, so the aggregate flows that way. The statement about income tax paying the interest for the national debt, is just a circumventing the real issue. The national debt is accrued through running vital services, so paying back the to the national debt is the same as paying for the services that only exist from borrowing the money. People always scream blooody murder about taxes here, but they sure like the fact that there are roads and electricity (highly subsidized), and while most people don't like law enforcement, it sure is nice to know that your neighbor cant just blow your house up without any reprcussions.

[MrNiceGuy420]

yeah...when im old enough, and if america is still as messed up as it is now, im emigrating from here. ill start my own country on a unclaimed island in the pacific....it will be the first libetarian government

[Psycho4Bud]

Personally this is what I'm in favor of.......the more ya make and your spending power grows the more your taxed on the products you buy:

What is the FairTax plan?
The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 1025) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.

The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.

The FairTax:

Abolishes the IRS
Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding

Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
Allows American products to compete fairly
Reimburses the tax on purchases of basic necessities
Enables retirees to keep their entire pension
Enables workers to keep their entire paycheck
Americans For Fair Taxation: About the Fair Tax (http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_main)

Have a good one!:s4:

[ncnavguy]

yeah...when im old enough, and if america is still as messed up as it is now, im emigrating from here. ill start my own country on a unclaimed island in the pacific....it will be the first libetarian government

Something like this? Oceania -- The Atlantis Project (http://oceania.org/)

[MrNiceGuy420]

people forget the government has MANY legal taxes that generate alot of money. however the income tax is illegal and by law you are not required to pay it. if you are poor or an otherwise vulnerable citezin, you will most likey have the IRS come knocking at your door. if you somehow manage to have enough money to get a lawyer after the illegaly seize all your stuff, take it to court and you should win. the IRS doesnt want to go to court with a person who can afford a good lawyer because they know they are wrong.

[onequestion]

How is the film industry in Canada? I want eventually work in the film industry and that would be my only real reason to stay in the US. I live in NYC right now so its real easy to get actors for my short films here while i practice. Are there a lot of actors in Canada?

[Zimzum]

Alex Jones is an anarchist. No matter what it is he will go against the point of view if it is supported by any government. Those FEMA camps are for him and his tinhat brigade when they decide to try and overthrow the government based on crap like this. Instead of watching a 2hr youboob video Read this (http://www.federalreserve.gov/GeneralInfo/fract/default.htm), straight out of the horses mouth.

"federal reserve system (which is a private bank...no more federal that federal express)"

O rly? Tell me, does the president and Senate pick who runs Fedex as well?

Appointments to the Board (http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/frseries/frseri.htm)
The seven members of the Board of Governors are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve 14-year terms of office. Members may serve only one full term, but a member who has been appointed to complete an unexpired term may be reappointed to a full term. The President designates, and the Senate confirms, two members of the Board to be Chairman and Vice Chairman, for four-year terms.


If you want to go back to gold then fine. But what happens when say China or Russia flood the gold market and crash our economy?

[onequestion]

Why are we talking about alex jones?

[pisshead]

Why are we talking about alex jones?

good question, but they should at least get it right...he's a constitutionalist...currently we have a government operating outside of the constitution...hence the anger and distrust towards the enormously corrupt entity...

if anyone thinks constitutional government is anarchy, that's their problem...

[khronik]

They are not in violation of the constitution, as of the passage of the sixteenth amendment:

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitut ion)

Sorry. :(

Income taxes started at a measly 2% or so, and have ballooned to around 30% on average. It's hard to stick a government with breaking rules that they wrote themselves though. The trouble is, our federal government is so huge and bloated, and the guys in charge want to keep it that way. That's why they're not letting Ron Paul into debates, for instance.

[afghooey]

It's argued that the 16th amendment wasn't legally ratified.

HOW SOME STATES DID NOT LEGALLY RATIFY THE 16TH AMENDMENT (http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/notratified.htm)

[MagicalHerb]

ive known about this for a while, shame on this scum that will take from me what i earn. what will they have a tax on next? air? water? the internet?

[420izzle]

Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.org) wants to abolish income tax, the IRS, the Federal Reserve....

[FreeVenice]

Did I mention that i think Documentaries deserve their own forum. . .

I just finished watching this tell me what u think.
America: From Freedom to Fascism - Nabolister Movies (http://movies.nabolister.com/links_page.php?movie=846)

[FreeVenice]

I am a most unhappy man.
i have unwittingly ruined my country.
A great industrial nation is now controled
by it's system of credit,
We Are no longer a government by free opinion,
no longer a government by conviction and the vote
of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress
of a small group of dominant men."

-Woodrow Wilson 28th President

[LOC NAR on probation]

I'm with you man. I recently had a run in with the law, only to find out I had no rights whatso ever. Any rights I thought were constitutional can be circumvented by the way the law opperates. We are in a NAZI state of rights for the people. NONE. Maranda Rights to be silent means your guilty on the spot. The law is tought to threaten your family as well. If I did not copperate my wife and 12 years old son who knew nothing of what I did would be taken to jail and charged with what I did alone.. Since what I did was only growing MJ, not selling. I got a plea bargain to lie in court and plea to intent to sell and deliver. Just because they sent my nephew to my house and I would not sell to him. Nephew turned me in to get out of coke charges, nice little bastered. He just joined the army and will be a war vet, I suck ass as a felon.

Now between heart attack, credit cards and lawyer and court and illeagal substance tax I owe well over 100 thousand. I had a little insurance to bury me. Not enough to leave my wife without a huge debt. I'm trying for disability but not worth enough dead or alive to pay for the hole I'm in. Five or six years ago I could pay for what I owed. Now, I am the living dead.

Mine is a tale of great sorrow over what I and my free country of the republic have become.

[khronik]

It's argued that the 16th amendment wasn't legally ratified.

HOW SOME STATES DID NOT LEGALLY RATIFY THE 16TH AMENDMENT (http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/notratified.htm)
Yes, but these arguments have not held up in court. Since the judicial system interprets the law, and has found these arguments insubstantial, that means the 16th amendment is valid.

But yeah, Ron Paul for prez. Too bad the guys in charge won't let him into debates. Assholes.

[FreeVenice]

I've been saying taxes are stealing for a while now, and this is a damn good documentary to get the point out to the people. It is the 16th amendment that speaks of a tax on income, but the United States supreme court has defined "income" as a profit turn by business venture, and the wages you earn by working a job is labor. it is an equal exchange of work for pay, their is no profit, labor is personal property and it is unconstitutional to be taken from you. We are paying the taxes when our employer are the only ones legally held responsible to pay. . .



Stop Paying Income Taxes


We need to make a stand, remember these are the same dicks that got marijuana prohibited. Just put a 99 on your w-2. You will get all your money, the money that is rightfully yours.

[FreeVenice]

Bump

[FreeVenice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N331kGvh0U0

[FreeVenice]

bump bump

[D.Boone]

its a great movie i first saw it on my local public access channel at 12:00 am midnight i recorded it because it was very good. opened my eyes to alot of things that i didnt know before and im glad i know now. definatly a must see for every american.

[FreeVenice]

I just want to know if all their facts are in order. The Gov. likes to change things up to make people look stupid.

[D.Boone]

Freedom To Fascism: Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39H6nUOhRw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hFEf3zeULc
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GLOb7Xu5jE
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90nh_9lG3K0
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvwnwPmENU4

[D.Boone]

bump

[D.Boone]

this was already posted in the tv/movies section but i think everybody should see this so im posting it here. you can get all the info you need from the links in my signature great documentary exposing the truth about our government and the federal reserve

Freedom To Fascism: Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39H6nUOhRw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hFEf3zeULc
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GLOb7Xu5jE
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90nh_9lG3K0
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvwnwPmENU4

[Psycho4Bud]

this was already posted in the tv/movies section but i think everybody should see this so im posting it here. you can get all the info you need from the links in my signature great documentary exposing the truth about our government and the federal reserve

It's been posted here, there, and everywhere........I merged this with the last one. Thanks to whoever made the move!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[D.Boone]

I'll ignore that little comment this one time and advise you to read this:
Budget of the United States Government, FY 2008 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/)

Go through the ENTIRE thing and tell me where the money would come from.

$647.2 billion for national defense
Defense Analysis Bulletin No. 2 - Experts give poor grades to expected defense budget proposal (http://www.comw.org/pda/dab/dab2.html)

U.S. Department of Transportation...$40 Billion
Budget in Brief - FY 2008 (http://www.dot.gov/bib2008/bibpart05fhwa.htm)

Social Security - $544 billion
Medicare - $325 billion
Medicaid - $186 billion
All other mandatory programs - $357 billion. These programs include Food Stamps, Unemployment Compensation, Child Nutrition, Child Tax Credits, Supplemental Security for the blind and disabled, Student Loans, and Retirement / Disability programs for Civil Servants, the Coast Guard and the Military
US Federal Budget - How the FY 2008 Social Security Budget and Medicare Budget Affects the US Economy (http://useconomy.about.com/od/fy2008budget/p/2008_Mandatory.htm)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

if you watch the movie it explains all that. the legal corporate income tax pays for the defense budget. the transportation budget is paid for by the gas tax. schools are paid for by local property tax. ect. federal income taxes are an illegal tax that is directly absorbed by the national debt. now plz watch the movie and you will see the truth its everywhere to be seen the government has just pulled the wool over your eyes so you didnt notice.

[D.Boone]

"The government should create, issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers..... The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power." -*Lincoln Abraham Senate document 23, Page 91. 1865

[sam44]

I'll ignore that little comment this one time and advise you to read this:
Budget of the United States Government, FY 2008 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/)

Go through the ENTIRE thing and tell me where the money would come from.

$647.2 billion for national defense
Defense Analysis Bulletin No. 2 - Experts give poor grades to expected defense budget proposal (http://www.comw.org/pda/dab/dab2.html)

U.S. Department of Transportation...$40 Billion
Budget in Brief - FY 2008 (http://www.dot.gov/bib2008/bibpart05fhwa.htm)

Social Security - $544 billion
Medicare - $325 billion
Medicaid - $186 billion
All other mandatory programs - $357 billion. These programs include Food Stamps, Unemployment Compensation, Child Nutrition, Child Tax Credits, Supplemental Security for the blind and disabled, Student Loans, and Retirement / Disability programs for Civil Servants, the Coast Guard and the Military
US Federal Budget - How the FY 2008 Social Security Budget and Medicare Budget Affects the US Economy (http://useconomy.about.com/od/fy2008budget/p/2008_Mandatory.htm)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:


lol....your information is from whitehouse.gov

wake up buddy

[jaGerbom]

wait so you can just not pay income tax and you wont get arrested or whats up with that.

[D.Boone]

wait so you can just not pay income tax and you wont get arrested or whats up with that.

there is no law that requires you to pay a federal income tax. and if you do file a 1040 technically you are waiving your 5th amendment rights. the 16th amendment was never ratified by congress so there for the law is not in the books. and the supreme court even ruled that the 16th amendment gave the government no new taxing power. which means if you werent taxable before the 16th then you arent taxable after the 16th.

[D.Boone]

Yes, but these arguments have not held up in court. Since the judicial system interprets the law, and has found these arguments insubstantial, that means the 16th amendment is valid.

But yeah, Ron Paul for prez. Too bad the guys in charge won't let him into debates. Assholes.

you are talking about the lower courts who are supposed to be in line with the supreme court but they are not. the supreme court ruled that the 16th amendment was unconstitutional and that it gave the government no new taxing power because of that. so basically if you werent taxable before the 16th then you werent taxable after the 16th.

[D.Boone]

by the way this dont belong in the conspiracy forum it belongs in the truth forum. or the politics forum that would work 2

[Psycho4Bud]

by the way this dont belong in the conspiracy forum it belongs in the truth forum. or the politics forum that would work 2

All of these threads from three different forums have been merged here.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

wait so you can just not pay income tax and you wont get arrested or whats up with that.


LMAO! Give it a try.....when your property is seized and your in the slam don't say I didn't warn ya.

Have a good one!:s4:

[D.Boone]

LMAO! Give it a try.....when your property is seized and your in the slam don't say I didn't warn ya.

Have a good one!:s4:
actually you are more likely to be audited even if you do pay. the irs tends to pick on the poor and innocent. when it comes to arresting non payers they often times go after people who are famous or rich. cause that way they can repossess alot more stuff. and there are many examples of that. like ive said b4 if you just watch that movie you can see several accounts of the irs going after innocent non payers and the non payer won their trials. and then actual interviews from former irs agents who quit the irs because they found out that their agency that they worked for was lying to the american people. so please just watch the movie and dont be so ignorant p4b.

[D.Boone]

the fact is this country right now is being run by people who only have their express financial interests in mind. they dont want the american people to have a voice. they want us to be silent while they run every thing behind the scenes. thats why they want to create an american union, and give us all national ids with radio transmitters embedded in them. its all just then next step then they will inject us with computer chips so they can track our every movements. the government is not working in the peoples best interests anymore they arent even working within the constitution. we the people have the power in this country not those with the money.

[D.Boone]

click on this link for some more info
TruthInTaxation.us :: WTP Congress Assembles on Mall, Delivers Petitions to a Mute Congress (http://www.truthintaxation.us/?tax_inform=muteCongress)
TruthInTaxation.us :: Be An Informed Taxpayer (http://www.truthintaxation.us/)

[Psycho4Bud]

so please just watch the movie and dont be so ignorant p4b.

You can keep this type of slam the hell off the forums for the first thing!

FACT IS my uncle lost his house and his truck due to outstanding taxes so don't be handing people this crap on how they don't have to pay. It'll be their ass withoout their goods while YOUR sitting on the other side of a monitor preaching this shit.

Worked out for Willie Nelson too didn't it?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[D.Boone]

well i didnt know that man sorry to upset you and im upset to hear that the government unlawfully took you fathers possessions. all im trying to do is help bring down a corrupt government system and there are millions of other americans who are doing the same. just thought id point that out. and honestly i think willie nelson would side with me on this one

[Psycho4Bud]

IRS Collections

Willie Nelson Sings for IRS

By: A.J. Cook

What if you don't have the money to pay your income taxes?

Don't panic. Send what you can and file your return anyway. This will avoid the penalty for filing late. Work out the money details later.

Willie Nelson couldn't pay the Internal Revenue Service and just recently cut a cool deal. His sad song began after he invested in several tax shelters promising $10 in deductions for every $1 invested. Instead of the deductions, he got a tax bill for more than $16 million. The IRS sold his ranch and auctioned his belongings. To keep the agency at bay, he gave it a royalty interest in his album, Who'll Buy My Memories? (The IRS Tapes).

The agency collected $3.6 million from sales of this album and his other assets. At last report, Nelson settled the debt by agreeing to pay only an additional $9 million over the next five years. Not a bad deal for the singer -- $12.6 million for a $16 million debt.

Nelson's settlement probably results from a new IRS policy favoring agreements with taxpayers. With uncollected taxes rising, it expects this policy to boost collections while giving taxpayers a fresh start. But IRS officers are tough negotiators. Don't assume they will settle when they can reasonably get the full amount. They'll expect you to sell that vacant lot and those 10 shares of AT&T.

If you file your return without full payment, the IRS will bill you for taxes and interest and add a late payment penalty, but not a late filing penalty. When you call the telephone number on the bill to explain your situation, the IRS officer will probably ask for a list of your assets and debts. She may insist you borrow the money or start sending in part of your paycheck. If the value of your assets and your earning potential are small compared to the taxes owed, try to settle on a reduced amount or suggest an installment payment plan.

In any case don't try to outsmart the IRS. If you lose credibility, it might seize and sell something you own. You don't want that. The IRS has no obligation to sell the asset for more than the agency's selling costs, e.g., advertising and real estate commissions. Diona S. Ringer received no credit to her tax debt when the government sold her $40,000 home for its costs -- $1,725.

The IRS can seize all of a delinquent taxpayer's assets except furniture, personal effects, professional books, tools and some wages. You might ask, is anything sacred? Not much.

By all accounts Ehsanolla Motaghed, from Omaha, Nebraska, owed the IRS $156,000. The agency heard he died, but before writing the debt off, it wanted to do some checking: Was he really dead? Is that really his corpse in the grave?

Fortunately the government backed down on exhuming the body when his family protested. The estate's attorney criticized the IRS, "They're just mad because he had the audacity to die without settling his account."

The Moral: When the IRS has you dead to rights, you're dead.

A.J. Cook is a lawyer and CPA. His tax column appears weekly in numerous newspapers. Why isn't it published in your hometown newspaper? Ask its Business Editor to subscribe.
Willie Nelson Sings for IRS (http://www.taxfables.com/Columns/Collections/Willie_Nelson.html)

Here's a VERY good example on how this law doesn't exist. Somebody with the resources of Willie still ended up loosing out on his property not to mention FORCED to pay a portion of back taxes.

Have a good one!:s4:

[D.Boone]

thats kinda my point there they like to go after high profile people and people who are poor who dont have the resources to fight back. the irs really has no right to take assets away from an individual but the government has given them the right of imminent domain which basically means they can do w/e they want and dont have to answer to anybody. even the f.b.i. fears the irs. ask an fbi agent about the tax code. they will tell you that its not very specific and there isnt really anything in there saying we have to pay federal income taxes or they will seize or property its just not there

[Psycho4Bud]

there isnt really anything in there saying we have to pay federal income taxes or they will seize or property its just not there

Tell that to Willie...I'm sure it'll make him feel much better. If you want to promote this fine but DON'T be encouraging people in this forum not to pay their shit.....they'll be the ones having to battle it out. AT LEAST make that VERY clear that they are in for the fight of their lives and will probably end up paying in the end.

By the way, I watched the flick and I'll bet that the people that made it are currently paying their taxes or lieing out their asses on how they're not.

Have a good one!:s4:

[D.Boone]

im not encouraging anybody im just trying to get the facts out to the public i think most like minded people can make the decisions for themselves.

[horror business]

This interests me, as I'll soon have to start paying taxes it seems. I hate the current corrupt government with a passion. I love America (the country), so I'm not being unpatriotic when I say I hate the government. They are ruining it for others in my opinion, and it's all so corrupt. They are making me HATE living in this country, which is sad for me, because it's such a beautiful country, with politics and humans aside.

[sam44]

I for one AM encouraging EVERYBODY to STOP paying your income taxes. Civil disobedience and revolution are the only ways things ever change.

[D.Boone]

I for one AM encouraging EVERYBODY to STOP paying your income taxes. Civil disobedience and revolution are the only ways things ever change.

dont let p4b hear you say that he may just ban you.

[sam44]

dont let p4b hear you say that he may just ban you.

As far as I know, it doesnt violate any forum rules. If he wants to delete that post, then so be it. But banning me for that would be bad moderation.

[Psycho4Bud]

I for one AM encouraging EVERYBODY to STOP paying your income taxes. Civil disobedience and revolution are the only ways things ever change.

Civil disobedience is one thing as long as everyone is on the same page. What I've learned in my 45 years is that when some people shoot their mouths off they don't follow the lead role.

Part of moderating on this site is to also look out for the well being of the members as a whole. For example: Bogus grow information in the cultivation forums........people looking for a "cure" by teenagers in the Medical forum.....advice in the Sexuality forum like you don't need a rubber. Likewise, this thread to me is becoming dangerous to the overall membership by promoting something that "could" eventually put them into a financial situation that they couldn't control or possible jail time.

This thread is CLOSED!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[D.Boone]

The Federal Income Tax is in DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. because it is a direct tax and it is NOT apportioned as the constitution DEMANDS. so i for one will not pay my income taxes until the government gives me an answer. and since they are so reluctant it looks like i wont be paying for awhile. over 40 million americans dont pay federal income taxes and that number increases every year. the only real purpose of the income tax is to redistribute wealth amongst the wealthy. its designed to keep the average american tied down 50hr a week job just to get by. the federal income tax does not pay for ANY government services all those are paid for by legal taxes. federal income taxes are not legal. and i will not pay.

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[Psycho4Bud]

You've made this VERY clear in the last three threads.....this is closed and will remain so. IF you open another it'll be deleted.

Also, this has been referred to another mod for their opinion.........

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[birdgirl73]

D.Boone, youâ??re obviously very passionate about this subject. I know there are lots of people in small corners of our country who feel the same way federal taxes and promote these ideas about federal tax being unconstitutional and not having to be paid.

Youâ??ve become like a broken record on this now, however. You profess youâ??re not trying to influence others, but if that were actually the case, you would long ago have ceased to be so vehement in pressing your point.

Hereâ??s the deal on these boards. People can do what they want with their personal situations and circumstances. Youâ??re certainly free as a bird not to pay your federal taxes. But when we see people like you influencing other members in ways that may get them in trouble, whether theyâ??re providing bad medical advice, bogus legal advice, inaccurate drug testing info, or whatever, we step in to protect our younger, more gullible members.

You donâ??t want to pay taxes and donâ??t believe in them? Fine. Donâ??t do it. I trust you must have the many hundreds of thousands of dollars itâ??ll take to pay fines and/or mount your defense in federal tax court. But donâ??t for a moment think weâ??ll continue to let you â??teachâ?� and promote this information to members here who donâ??t know better. Talk to a tax attorney at your earliest opportunity and get some legitimate advice. Also get some names and examples of people whoâ??re languishing in federal prisons for not having paid their taxes. You clearly havenâ??t ever actually dealt with the IRS, but when and if you do, it isnâ??t going to be pretty.