View Full Version : every knee shall bow an every tongue shall confess that JESUS is LORD
Nochowderforyou
06-29-2007, 05:09 PM
Nah, I don't think so. God doesn't scare me, even though he threatens his people to obey him and if they don't, he will send them to a hellfire of brimstone, but oh yeah, he loves you.
So no, I'll pass.
VaporDaddy
06-29-2007, 05:18 PM
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beachguy in thongs
06-29-2007, 05:42 PM
I'm not letting anyone tell me where my knee goes. Jesus would understand.
Every tonsil shall be consumed by parasites.
Gandalf_The_Grey
06-29-2007, 06:23 PM
Our operatives have infiltrated every board fool. We assume unique identities, and we can be anybody. Begone, or young Andreas will fall first.
psteve
06-29-2007, 06:40 PM
Wow! I never heard of this before!
I love video games!
MajMike
06-29-2007, 10:21 PM
While I am a Christian and believe the scripture quoted above, I think we misinterpret the 'why' of this. This is not about Jesus forcing people to their knees, it is about how when all see that He is the Christ they will gladly acknowledge it.
The real Jesus is about Love, not force.
bong_man
06-29-2007, 10:24 PM
how long is he dead now? lol
IN THE WORLD OR THE NEXT
Sounds like blind conviction to me. You're in a prison of your own device. Get with the program. Christianity was so centuries ago.
Oneironaut
06-30-2007, 05:59 AM
If Jesus shows himself to me and proves that he is a divine being of some sort, yeah, I'll have to believe it. But if Harry Potter comes into my room and starts farting rainbows, I'll have to believe that too. It's just extremely unlikely.
Down with faith. Up with facts and evidence and science.
CannabisHappiness
06-30-2007, 07:36 AM
I believe there is no god, and that is the only faith I need, faith in myself. I will respect your belief in god/s as long as you respect my belief that there is no god/s. Why do people feel the need to preach?
fsunoles
06-30-2007, 07:36 AM
You have just made on of the best points I have ever heard about religon. What you say is true most people worship in fear instead of faith. I feel that I'm in that boat to a certain degree. I have a FEAR that my faith isn't strong enough tp please the alimighty! damn that was a good point though
You have just made on of the best points I have ever heard about religon. What you say is true most people worship in fear instead of faith. I feel that I'm in that boat to a certain degree. I have a FEAR that my faith isn't strong enough tp please the alimighty! damn that was a good point though
Most worship out of fear; a fear of the unknown. I say relish in mystery, only then will you open the doors of perception and you will embrace a whole new world of creativity; a whole new religion, so to speak--a brave new world.
Most worship out of fear; a fear of the unknown. I say relish in mystery, only then will you open the doors of perception and you will embrace a whole new world of creativity; a whole new religion, so to speak--a brave new world.
I don't really believe that but it still stands that I am not sacrificing my lifestyle out of my own volition to be with God. The way I see it is I am already in Hell, and in Hell I will remain until I am pure enough to pass through the gates of Heaven. When will that be, you ask? Oh, until the constitutional intelligence of my name displays true purity, and that wont be for many generations to come.
Just read the bible and your questions will be answered in some way or another. Many argue the concept of God but rarely gather the facts, which have been recorded in every Christian bible in the known universe. Even I have grown tired of ignorant debates about God's existence. So, needless to say, the spirituality forum is lame.
The Green Reaper
06-30-2007, 10:32 PM
Most worship out of fear; a fear of the unknown. I say relish in mystery, only then will you open the doors of perception and you will embrace a whole new world of creativity; a whole new religion, so to speak--a brave new world.
I think most worship out of conformity. Whatever community you were born into you will likely conform to the native religion. If you dont you can be isolated or in some cases even stoned ect. Fear is definetly a common tactic in religion. I hypothesize based on my dealings with many religious people that many dont really buy it but they conform because its much easier than chalenging their families and the majority.
I think most worship out of conformity. Whatever community you were born into you will likely conform to the native religion. If you dont you can be isolated or in some cases even stoned ect. Fear is definetly a common tactic in religion. I hypothesize based on my dealings with many religious people that many dont really buy it but they conform because its much easier than chalenging their families and the majority.
Yeah. You're put in the limelight if you refuse to conform, and quite frankly a lot of people cannot handle that kind of scrutiny or social "exile", which just adds to the hypocrisy of religion. I don't care what religion you believe in, you do not push people away because they do not agree with you.
so stay in your damnation
Gandalf_The_Grey
07-01-2007, 05:02 PM
so stay in your damnation
The members here are convinced by logical arguments, not brief cryptic phrases that you assume to be true.
Oneironaut
07-01-2007, 11:43 PM
neither... none can actually be proved... it's ignorant to be close minded to the possiblity you may be wrong... which i never said you were.... but christians in general are....
By definition they must be, if Christianity is untrue. Which, of course, it is. I'm open-minded to the possibility that I might be wrong, but I consider it extremely unlikely that I am. I am also open-minded to the possibility that I might be wrong about the round earth theory. If I get on a rocketship and go into space and see a flat earth, I'll have to change my mind.
If you want to know why I think so strongly that Christianity is mythology, the following videos should help explain:
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MajMike
07-02-2007, 02:43 AM
It is very true that some pagan (and other) stories and rituals have been woven into the Christian 'religion', that's why those unbending ones look so silly, defending the indefensible.
As is true with most myths though, at the center is a kernal of truth (IMO). I try to take from the Bible the general intent, which (again, imho) is to live in peace and charity with others, the "Love Thy Neighbor" commandment.
However, I make no claims to be able to 'prove' anything to anyone, my beliefs are simply the result of much study, thought, prayer, and some rather unusual life experiences. Each person must make this journey for themselves, others can guide but only personal experience can teach some things.
Psycho4Bud
07-02-2007, 02:45 AM
Just a reminder of what it states under Spirituality:
Spirituality, practices, rituals, etc. Please respect others when discussing religion - thank you.
This thread has been cleaned up and if you feel that you can't show respect...stay out of this forum.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
Oneironaut
07-02-2007, 04:03 AM
It is very true that some pagan (and other) stories and rituals have been woven into the Christian 'religion', that's why those unbending ones look so silly, defending the indefensible.
As is true with most myths though, at the center is a kernal of truth (IMO). I try to take from the Bible the general intent, which (again, imho) is to live in peace and charity with others, the "Love Thy Neighbor" commandment.
That's just the New Testament, you know. A good 80% of the Bible is Old Testament material full of boring "begats", graphic instructions on animal sacrifices to the Lord, and a very lengthy description of how the Jews slaughtered the Untermenschen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch) who were in the way of them dominating their Lebensraum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum). There really is hardly anything in the way of sophisticated moral philosophy in the Old Testament, and a lot of stuff that is just plain morally repugnant.
As for the New Testament philosophy, it's nothing original. It's covering no new ground in ethics that was not already covered by Greek philosophers or the eastern religions thousands of years prior.
~ Kuroi ~
07-05-2007, 09:06 AM
Every knee shall bow, eh?
What if you get your knees shot off in a war, go to hell, and can't kneel?
God says that you'll stay in Hell. And he never says limbs will be rejuvenated in Hell. Therfore, your theory is most likely disproved, unless he soon says that we'll become intact in Hell.
MajMike
07-05-2007, 01:59 PM
Oneironaut
To me the Old Testament (OT) is not compatible with a loving God, and I agree with you about it's contents.
I also agree that the NT and Jesus's teachings were not the first time many of these ideas were presented. I disagree that these ideas were commonly held or practiced, 'loving their enemies' was not big at that time.
Kuroi
First of all the 'every knee shall bow' thing means all will recognize His authority over us, not necessarily actually kneeling. Also, it will be done at Judgement, before entering Hell (which I disavow, at least the commonly held idea of Hell) or Heaven (where our bodies are restored and perfected).
In my mind, Hell (damnation) is not a place, but the end of our existence as individuals. A loving God is not going to torture His failed children for eternity, I believe that these 'souls' return to God and cease to exist. That's what damnation means, to be stopped.
Just my thoughts guys, you are of course entitled to your own.
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