The blind leading the blind

[stinkyattic]

It seems we are having a rash of noobs boldly answering questions that they themselves don't really know the answers to.

It's getting to be a pain sorting out the good advice based on long experience, education, research, etc. from the absolute bullshit, the origin of which is best pointed out by a doctor with a flashlight.

As we are short a couple moderators in the grow section, this stuff is getting out of hand.

I am going on the record to discourage it. I'm not mentioning any names, but I've tried nicely to point this out to the worst offenders... my patience is getting REALLY low.

If you don't definitively know the answer to something, either SAY SO in your reply, or keep your mouth shut.

[VaporDaddy]

Sorry:(



sheesh




;)

[stinkyattic]

Aww Daddy I knew I could count on you to heckle from the sidelines!

[VaporDaddy]

Anytime my stinky little Marijuana Girl. :jointsmile:

[PharmaCan]

I'll second what Stinky said.

People with serious questions deserve serious answers, not bullshit.

Considering that this is a for-profit web site, it seems to me like the owners should get serious about this Mod thing and get a Mod over here. Otherwise, this site will soon turn into nothing more than a bunch of idiots jerking each other off. IMHO

[Celeste]

imo, this will always be a problem. many folks will read something, then assume they are masters of the information. thanx stinky, for pointing it out, but all in all, people should cross refference everthing. like my gramps says, beleive none of what you hear and only half of what you see.

love, lestie

[VaporDaddy]

Otherwise, this site will soon turn into nothing more than a bunch of idiots jerking each other off. IMHO

Hmmmm.... sounds promising, I'm listening, go on...:jointsmile:

[stinkyattic]

a bunch of idiots jerking each other off.

lol that would be called a "staff meeting"...

[the image reaper]

lol that would be called a "staff meeting"...

how come I never get invited to these affairs ?? ... is it because I'm too OLD ????? hmmmm ??? ... can you say "age discrimination" ??? ... :wtf:

[stinkyattic]

Naw you're invited to the staff meeting.
Just be warned, I do not have a staff of my own, and may have to bring a battery-operated stand-in. :D

[the image reaper]

Naw you're invited to the staff meeting.
Just be warned, I do not have a staff of my own, and may have to bring a battery-operated stand-in. :D

I could bring jumper cables, just in case ...:D

[stinkyattic]

Lol I thought Steely Dan was steam-powered...

I love jacking my own thread! :D

[the image reaper]

Lol I thought Steely Dan was steam-powered...

I love jacking my own thread! :D

I should best not touch that comment :giggity: ... damn, Yeag has a tiger by the tail, methinks ... ;)

[stinkyattic]

*whips head round* Tail? Who said tail? Where da tail at?
lol
The big guy may consider himself lucky to get me in such small doses... damn I miss The Pontiff.

[burnable]

every internet user is responsible for sifting out truth from error. The fundamental nature of the internet denotes that there is a vast amount of info that is purely incorrect. The best way around it seems to glean info from various sources on the same subject, on this site and on others. Any reasoning person will have the ability to polarize truth from bullshit. It's important to never be satisfied with an answer until you've exhausted all apparent sources.

[Weedhound]

Which leads to the question of who is worse...the person who gives out bullshit or the person who takes it?

[rhizome]

Bump- 'cause the morons are getting to me....

[meatw4d]

every internet user is responsible for sifting out truth from error. The fundamental nature of the internet denotes that there is a vast amount of info that is purely incorrect. The best way around it seems to glean info from various sources on the same subject, on this site and on others. Any reasoning person will have the ability to polarize truth from bullshit. It's important to never be satisfied with an answer until you've exhausted all apparent sources.
my roommate is constantly telling me "i heard on the internet that <insert unbelievable fact here>" :wtf:

and i'm tired of hearing it, so the new kids need to shut up and read for awhile before replying like they know what's up.

[Dutch Pimp]

Bump- 'cause the morons are getting to me....

...it was much worse last summer....plus trolls....:pimp:...it will slow down in the fall......:thumbsup:....

[Land of Drought]

Most people who take crap advice usually are just lazy and want a simple answer or an answer too a question with no decent answer!..........
Simple if you want to grow do some reading..Theres plenty of books out there
from good experenced folk..Logging on here as i enjoy, i see the egos floating by.....

Peace D

[Weedhound]

How do we know we can trust you DP?.....:D

[Dutch Pimp]

How do we know we can trust you DP?.....:D

...the small fry are swiming upstream trying to spawn....the bears will get most of them.....:smokin:....:wtf:.....:pimp:.....

[Psycho4Bud]

Most people who take crap advice usually are just lazy and want a simple answer or an answer too a question with no decent answer!..........
Simple if you want to grow do some reading..Theres plenty of books out there
from good experenced folk..Logging on here as i enjoy, i see the egos floating by.....

Peace D

Exactly! When I joined this site it was because I was looking for information but I sure the hell didn't just leave that to this site alone. If your gonna do something investigate it as much as possible. Computor searches, books, sites, etc.......learning is knowledge.


...it was much worse last summer....plus trolls....:pimp:...it will slow down in the fall......:thumbsup:....

How true.....every pre-teen pimple popper comes out of the woodwork during the summer wanting to have a grow in a shoebox in his/her momma's closet and once they get a sprout they feel that they're experts. With anything, there are times you have to dig through alot of shit in order to hit gold.

Have a good grow!:jointsmile:

[stinkyattic]

With anything, there are times you have to dig through alot of shit in order to hit gold.

Personally, I prefer bat guano to bullshit :jointsmile:

[stinkyattic]

Bump because the problem is getting bad again.
And here's another bit of light reading...
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-lounge/124055-bad-information.html

[the image reaper]

OH NO !!!!!! :( ... you brought back one of my old pissed-off tirades ... I am so embarrassed :jointsmile:

[PharmaCan]

OH NO !!!!!! :( ... you brought back one of my old pissed-off tirades ... I am so embarrassed :jointsmile:

Don't be! ...IMHO you should do it more often. :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

[klondike_bar]

well, since a few of my recent posts were criticized, i feel i should make a comment here.

i am a relatively new grower, and i enjoy sharing what little experiences and advice i can. All advice should be taken with a grain of salt (thats the expression, right?), and compared with others.

I am merely offering my helping hand and my slightly pinkish-green thumb for any who trust it and whose knowledge may complement my own for thier benefits

[PharmaCan]

well, since a few of my recent posts were criticized, i feel i should make a comment here.

i am a relatively new grower, and i enjoy sharing what little experiences and advice i can. All advice should be taken with a grain of salt (thats the expression, right?), and compared with others.

I am merely offering my helping hand and my slightly pinkish-green thumb for any who trust it and whose knowledge may complement my own for thier benefits

Then you should start every one of your posts with the disclaimer "I have never grown a single gram of smokable weed before, but here is my opinion."

Don't you understand that no one wants to hear your drivel? The Grow Section isn't here for your amusement; it's here for people to get solid advice from experienced growers.

PC :pimp:

[norkali]

I am merely offering my helping hand and my slightly pinkish-green thumb for any who trust it and whose knowledge may complement my own for thier benefits

Thanks man. I appreciate it. I think that you just might want to put i couple of disclaimers in your replies, like "IMO," or "I think," or "....but don't take my word for it."

This is just in case you don't know what your talkin' about, and somebody else decides to take your advice. What if your advice kills their plant? You make not only yourself look stupid, but also the forum itself.

As for myself, I hope that I have done a good job of helping others out when possible. I like to think that I have some 'beyond basic' knowledge; with 2 successful outdoor grows, and 1 1/2 indoor grows. :o

P.S.: I really can't help but to think that I may be considered one of these 'n00bs' as you guys have put it. If so, just let me know, please!

[Dutch Pimp]

Then you should start every one of your posts with the disclaimer "I have never grown a single gram of smokable weed before, but here is my opinion."



PC :pimp:
Ouch!

[klondike_bar]

ok..thats getting harsh. its true i have not yet harvested my current crop of 4 girls in thier 4th week, and my previous girl (bless her soul) was left in veg rediculously long and overwatered in preparation for a long weekend away fro the house.

I have learned from both my past mistakes and current success and believe myself to be an increasingly competent grower who wishes to share his advice.

take it if ya want, but its not enforced

[Charles U Farley]

I read quote at another site several months back that said, "A guy with a thousand plants wants to learn more,and the guy with one plant knows everything".I consider myself a life long student and am constantly searching this site and others to learn more about what has become for me an increasingly important hobby as I am able to provide much needed medicinal relief for my loved ones.I dont really have anything helpful to add to the thread other than the quote which I thought was relevant and I do appreciate and value the information and knowledge that I have gained on this site.Thanks to all of you who so freely offer you experience and hold the hands of those of us who are relative noobs.Take care,be well,and most of all be safe.

[Roughrider]

I've just started posting here, so I may be one of the people referred to. Hope not.

One of the reasons I started posting here is that I saw so much incredible misinformation. It's not the fault of the mods or good posters as far as I can see--it's pretty clear who has their s*** together. The problem is what happens a lot on message boards...a lot of questions posted by people who

a) Don't know basics.
b) Don't read clearly identified FAQs/important stuff.
c) Ask questions that have been answered 1000 times in the last year and/or can;'t be answered at all. ("Im growing two bagseed plants. what do u think I will yeild?")

After a while, it must get pretty tiring for the good posters seeing the same basic questions asked over...and over...and over. I'd get tired of answering too. I'm a mod on a (totally different) web site's message board. Same thing. So a lot of the people that do respond to these questions give wildly inaccurate or not-very-helpful answers.

I think some of it is unintentional. I posted a fairly long post in indoor lighting about CFL and HPS lumens vs. watts for newbie growers, because I've seen so many people talk about watts without knowing what they are or how they're different depending on lighting type. I'm old--relatively speaking--so I know enough to keep it simple. Lumens are more accurate than watts for figuring out light needs. Use reflectors when possible so you use the light you've got instead of just throwing in more lights/heat/stress. Paint walls white or use mylar. Have good ventilation, etc. A very nice poster responded with a cut-and-paste about PAR watts. It was technically right...but few lights list PAR watts, it's not markedly more accurate than just using lumens (which pretty much everyone lists), and it's next to impossible for people outside the U.S. to get that sorta info. I tried to respond politely--most of the questions in that particular thread are by people growing in small to medium size areas, and a lot of them get more lost than anything when you introduce something else into the equation. Like a couple of others, I'm trying to offer small, practical advice where it seems necessary.

It's got to be a pain for mods to try and respond to Every. Damn. Stupid. Question. And it's just as painful to watch lousy information go out. At a certain point, though, it's the responsibility of the individual to take charge of his/her education...there are certainly enough stickies and clearly named topics to get a mildly motivated person started. It's not like "Grow FAQs" or "*** PLEASE READ AND GOOGLE SEARCH BEFORE POSTING A QUESTION ***" are confusing. Seems to me that given the amount of, uh. stuff that the mods have to wade through, they do a good job. Just my long winded .02.

[Weedhound]

Roughrider.....you sir....are a saint. :thumbsup:

[PharmaCan]

Roughrider.....you sir....are a saint. :thumbsup:

Saintly .......aye

But effective? ......aaarrrrgghh

I say ban the scoundrels and be done with them. ....aaarrrrrgghh

In all seriousness, if people with the attitude, "I can say anything I want, regardless of if it is true or false, because the reader should know better than to believe what I say." are allowed to freely post their misinformation all over the Grow Section, CanCom will lose its credibility as a legitimate information source.

And it's certainly not fair to say "the reader should use Google" because quite often Google will bring you right back here to CanCom. CanCom is, after all, one of THE most authoritative sources for up-to-date information on marijuana cultivation in the entire world. ...but ya can't keep that reputation with the attitude that people should know better than to believe what they read here or by allowing assclowns to spread misinformation all over the Grow Section. There are plenty of places to play on this forum, the Grow Section just shouldn't be one of them.

Anyway, some of the worst offenders at the moment are downright trolls - constantly being offensive or confrontational or giving totally BS advice. Just doing trollish stuff to try to get a rise out of anyone they can.

Roughrider, I respect your opinions and your intentions. I just feel there's only one way to deal with trolls and fools, and that's to be done with them.

PC :smokin:

[stinkyattic]

All right, there's some good thoughts in this thread!

I love the quote about the man wiht a thousand plants. I spend my Saturdays quite often at a local specialty garden shop interrogating the owner about grow technique and plant diseases... lol... I used to make a living as a greenhouse technician in a hydroponic facility... I feel as if I STILL don't know squat in the big scheme of things.

If you aren't certain of your response, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not post as if you are. PLEASE say, "I'm not certain, BUT....". It will help smooth ruffled feathers and avoid confusion.

[Weedhound]

All right here my rant begins as well. I'll make it short. (ha ha) You are indeed responsible for your own actions and information that you find. Cross check and double check everything. It's the internet for god's sake.

That said, I have to agree with PC here. There's quite a difference between those really trying to help and others who treat everyone as their own private amusement game. There are folks who have spend a LOT of time, energy and money on their grow and want to do the right thing. I feel they deserve more than some selfish ignoramus cruising the boards making up things to say as they go.....some of which can destroy all of one's hard work if such advice were actually to be taken...which (and I found this QUITE interesting) doesn't seem to matter in the least to them despite their claims that they love growing and only want to help.

Ultimately.....all this IS a reflection of Cdot.

[Roughrider]

Saintly .......aye

But effective? ......aaarrrrgghh

I say ban the scoundrels and be done with them. ....aaarrrrrgghh

In all seriousness, if people with the attitude, "I can say anything I want, regardless of if it is true or false, because the reader should know better than to believe what I say." are allowed to freely post their misinformation all over the Grow Section, CanCom will lose its credibility as a legitimate information source.

And it's certainly not fair to say "the reader should use Google" because quite often Google will bring you right back here to CanCom. CanCom is, after all, one of THE most authoritative sources for up-to-date information on marijuana cultivation in the entire world. ...but ya can't keep that reputation with the attitude that people should know better than to believe what they read here or by allowing assclowns to spread misinformation all over the Grow Section. There are plenty of places to play on this forum, the Grow Section just shouldn't be one of them.

Anyway, some of the worst offenders at the moment are downright trolls - constantly being offensive or confrontational or giving totally BS advice. Just doing trollish stuff to try to get a rise out of anyone they can.

Roughrider, I respect your opinions and your intentions. I just feel there's only one way to deal with trolls and fools, and that's to be done with them.

PC :smokin:

I'm on your side, man. (And the Google idea refers to the thread which is stickied here; I was referring to the thread title and pointing out that if more people just read the stickied info, there would be a whole lot fewer dumbass questions and answers.)

Sure, I'm in favor of banning rude people or people who consistently give incorrect information on this or any board. And I'm all about letting people figure it out on their own, or with as little repetition as possible of the same answer over and over. That's why I mentioned the stickied threads, which are largely terrific...and, unfortunately, don't get read as often as they should. But that's the bigger problem, IMO...how to separate the obvious peckerheads from people who honestly want to learn but are clueless. Wish there was an easy answer. Don't think there is. But, in general, it seems like the mods here put up with it pretty well.

[PharmaCan]

I'm on your side, man. (And the Google idea refers to the thread which is stickied here; I was referring to the thread title and pointing out that if more people just read the stickied info, there would be a whole lot fewer dumbass questions and answers.)

Sure, I'm in favor of banning rude people or people who consistently give incorrect information on this or any board. And I'm all about letting people figure it out on their own, or with as little repetition as possible of the same answer over and over. That's why I mentioned the stickied threads, which are largely terrific...and, unfortunately, don't get read as often as they should. But that's the bigger problem, IMO...how to separate the obvious peckerheads from people who honestly want to learn but are clueless. Wish there was an easy answer. Don't think there is. But, in general, it seems like the mods here put up with it pretty well.

I'm with you all the way on this! :thumbsup:

I'm just doing one-liners today - gotta boost my post count!:D

PC :stoned:

[Charles U Farley]

Hey everyone,I appreciate the kind words and reps about the quote.All of my best material is some elses.The way I try to look at this hobby/passion is the way I have looked at something I have done for over half of my life.I competed in a sport professionally for fifteen years and have coached that same sport for over ten and I still consider myself a student.With that mindset I dont automatically close out new ideas that dont seem to jell with the way I have always done things,and who knows maybe I can still learn something after all of these years.I like your attitude Stinky,go after the person with the most knowledge that you know and pull/gather all of the gems of insight that you can from them.Im not sure,maybe its age,but on most things my feet are not planted as firmly as they used to be years ago when it comes to what I am sure that I know as truth.Well Im off to finishing chopping down my ladies tonight.Take care,be well,and most of all be safe.

[MVP]

I wish that them Trolls would just stop and give it a break. Some basic manners, ya know? :wtf:

Keep the thread on topic.
If you haven't grown, don't answer grow questions.
Try your best to use proper spelling and whole words.
Disagree? Yes. Argue, No.
Name calling is a no-no.

That is just a few humble thoughts from a fella with a couple of hundred posts.

Peace y'all

MVP

[JackHerer]

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that agencies with an interest would troll boards like this in order to kill there reputation. Personally without this site & its help I would not be having the success I am. This I think would scale to hundreds who read this site, get the info they need and maybe never post. The fact such quality sites as here give out accurate & usable information could be perceived as something which should be interfered with.

Not that I am a conspiracy theorist, but ya know sh*t happens.