Apply within! - Jesus

[PureEvil760]

This is a channeling of Jesus.

I am putting up a sign, for I am looking for those who are willing to help co-create the Golden Age. And you might have seen on businesses, there is a sign saying, â??Help wanted. Apply within.â?�


I am putting up that sign, because your help is wanted. And you must apply within, meaning within yourself, by going within and discovering that ego, and then letting it go.


Yet, I also have certain conditions. Two thousand years ago I spent a considerable amount of time and energy dealing with those who were not willing to even consider that they needed to change, that they had an ego; those who thought they were perfect, those who thought they were the wise ones, they were Godâ??s chosen people and they did not need to change themselves. It was everyone else who had a problem and everyone else who needed to change. And so my big sign says, â??Help wanted. Apply within.â?� But the small letters underneath say, â??Hypocrites need not apply.â?�


The path that I offer is the path I offered 2,000 years ago. It is the path of total humility. And even my disciples, who had spent three years with me, had not fully understood that path. And that is why they started arguing amongst themselves, concerning who would be greatest among them when I left. At that moment I had one of these â??hitting the concrete experiences,â?� and I said to myself, â??Does that mean that after three years they have not understood your message? Have you not been able to penetrate and make them see what the path is all about?â?�


And today I am in a much better position because there are many people who can see what the path is about. It is not the way that seemeth right unto a man, which is the glorification of the ego. Instead, it is the path of the total humility, of letting go of all of the pride of the ego, so that you can simply walk away from it and be free.


This is the path I offer. I offer it with all of my love. And I will lovingly guide you to that point of freedom. Yet I must also say that love is not always soft, for sometimes you need a firm hand to be awakened. And this relates also to how you approach other people about the spiritual path.

[Inferius]

I'm there.
It's happening man, like you said. It's getting crazier every day.
I hope I can walk away entirely soon...

[PureEvil760]

You can walk away entrieley at any moment you choose to. Dont fall into the mindset that you can do it sometime in the future, because the reality is there is no past or future, the only time is now.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Even Buddha eventually had to abandon his disciples for a while when they become pride-filled and started arguing and fighting about power and the right path. The ego is a powerful thing, it conditions us to cling to it for our lives, and terrifies us when we lose it.

I don't believe you can walk away from it whenever you want though PureEvil (with all due respect). It takes time, patience, work, devotion. To lose ego one must lose desire, one my lose craving, one must lose even aversion. You must be able to confront every aspect of the mind, reject nothing, but grasp on to nothing. One who focuses on compassion will build a character of such, until all else goes extinct and you become a force of pure good in the world, bringing a death to all detrimental karma.

To destroy the ego, you must also see it for what it really is; an illusion. It's like looking at a busy street full of traffic, and believing the trafic is a single entity. It's like looking at waves in an ocean and thinking the wave is somehow distinctly separate from the rest of the waters. The ego, the conscious mind, all of it, are a massively complex system of infinite processes that work in a symbiotic state. When they work together in perfect syncrony, you stop seeing the parts and start experiencing the whole. The whole of the actions, the group, forms into consciousness that can only see itself by believing it is one and separate.

Yes suffering is an illusion, ego is an illusion, self is the ultimate illusion. But then reality itself is the illusion, the illusion that somethingness and nothingness are distinct and separate, that you and others are distinctly separate. Yes these are all illusions, but to wake up we must also understand that illusion is as relevant as reality, it is reality, and the effect of the illusions are as real as anything. Really, nothing exists and nothing is relavent, only effects are relevant (take a gander of quantum theory the buddhism, you'll get my drift and see how the two relate). Don't dismiss illusions because they are illusions, but realise effects are everything and the most important thing, and those effects are the product of illusion.


- My viewpoint as is.

[PureEvil760]

I was speaking from a spiritual standpoint when I said you could walk away at any moment. Indeed it does seem like work while physical, but we do have the power leave it at any moment, it is a right as a human and as God.
I agree with most of the rest, though pretty basic stuff to me at this point.

[MajMike]

Most of our true learning takes place when the ego is diminished, as in when we come to terms with the fact that we control nothing of our own lives. All we can do is adapt, knowing control is an illusion we weave about ourselves to decrease our fear and anxiety.

All we control is our own reactions, and many of us can't even do that.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I was speaking from a spiritual standpoint when I said you could walk away at any moment. Indeed it does seem like work while physical, but we do have the power leave it at any moment, it is a right as a human and as God.

Very well put. Though honestly I think "God" is a word devised in our primitive era to explain the essence of reality, the essence that many such as Jesus could tap into. The term "God" just doesn't seem necessary to me unless you're describing judgmental dieties in the sky.


I agree with most of the rest, though pretty basic stuff to me at this point.

If you want to eliminate your ego, you might want to learn a bit of humility yourself. I'm not trying to put you down, you obviously have an excellent understanding of many spiritual issues, but honestly I've never seen anything but preaching from you and no admission of ignorance and a desire to learn. I was just explaining one aspect of my knowledge, not knowing what you already understood, and I'm sure you and I both have some very interesting understandings. All in all, your ego discussions have been milked thoroughly, perhapse we could tackle some other issues?

[PureEvil760]

It only shows that I am closer than most, my ego is fighting for survival at this point, I am trying to become humble in real life, but understand that I hate ego and what it has done to this world, therefore I hate everyone with a strong ego.

I see it more like.. Im not just fighting my own ego, even when free I'm probably going to have many who will conflict with me due to thier personal illusion, much like what happend to Jesus.

I agree that I'm nowhere near humble in most posts, but if you were expeiencing truth it would not bother you in the least, therefore its just some more ego talking to me so fuck it. :stoned:

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

It only shows that I am closer than most, my ego is fighting for survival at this point, I am trying to become humble in real life, but understand that I hate ego and what it has done to this world, therefore I hate everyone with a strong ego.

That's very good you've made it pretty far my friend. I wouldn't suggest "hate" being something you want to have within you, it's detrimental to enlightenment. Focus on what you want to be, not what you don't want to exist. I'm only speaking from my buddhist perspective, but compassion is very helpful in removing the ego because it shifts the focus to the whole of existence and the entities therein, rather than the self. When you realize that the importance of others is the same as the importance of yourself, ego dies.

I'm sure you understand this though, I'm just suggesting one way of approaching the issue.


I see it more like.. Im not just fighting my own ego, even when free I'm probably going to have many who will conflict with me due to thier personal illusion, much like what happend to Jesus.

It's a mysterious issue, isn't it? Many enlightened beings know how to abolish the ego, how to be a force of possitive energy only, but nobody has yet managed to transform the rest of the world. As Buddha would say, souls need to mature, and many are unfortunately just not ready to ascend. I hope one day we all can, but I don't see it coming at this time.


I agree that I'm nowhere near humble in most posts, but if you were expeiencing truth it would not bother you in the least, therefore its just some more ego talking to me so fuck it. :stoned:

But, when one is completely humble, completely unmoved by praise or scorn, the learning can truly begin. This is actually a toaist concept that I love, but it seems 100% compatible with buddhist thought.

I know you're not buddhist, toaist, anything in particular really, but I'm just conveying the knowledge I've come to learn in my practices. Myself, while I follow the path of the Buddha and believe in his teachings, there is definately much to be learned from many belief systems. I'm particularily interested in Taoism, shamanism, hallucinogenic explorative techniques from the America's, Huna meditation, and bits and pieces of this and that.

I've yet to learn exactly how contemplative meditation would be done, do you have any knowledge in this?

[PureEvil760]

Never heard of "contemplative meditation" explain..

[afghooey]

I would argue that hatred, too, is ego. Yes, the ego can hate itself. Maybe that is why you feel torn. It's the GRUDGE. Your ego's grudge against itself, against the illusion, against everyone who chooses to be a slave to it. But as Gandalf said, there is no real separation. The only grudge you have is the one you have with yourself.

Let go.

[Inferius]

Yep, just be a kid. Nothing is more important/better/You than anything else, and the only person that can ever cause you harm, is yourself. At least, while you're an adult.

Letting go, is not about Doing anything, but rather doing not-one-thing, feeling loose and relaxed and jovial because the self-importance of being a Human is lost.

"He who makes a beast of himself (not talking anti-civil, just Natural) loses the pain of being a man"

[PureEvil760]

yea thanks and everything, but you guys can go ahead and help yourselves first...my path is beyond words, its come to feeling and seeing spiritual energy and working with that.

[Inferius]

Words gain true meaning when you let yourself know the perfection of the soul.
Enlightenment isn't "beyond words", it's just beyond the normal ego model that everyone functions on(their personal world crafted by their childhood). The imperfect sinner's awareness, rather than realizing that beneath that, is always the ever forgiving and understanding arms of the Soul/god, and there is noone trying shape you into anything but what God already is, always has been.

But once you allow yourself the awakening, suddenly you allow yourself to actually Go somewhere towards healing, rather than always trying to Heal yourself...

The problem with posting about it is that unless this is read by a wise old man with the same One Truth Wisdom, or a child, you aren't going to get this.
Because there's nothing to get.
That's the problem. Theres no Riddle, it's just about Allowing yourself the maturity of individual perfection. The next step is realizing that everyone was also perfect, and that the conversations we have in opposition of other peoples choices/moods are only limiting them on their own journey.

And then you are about ready to go to the next level, which isn't imaginable in the slightest, because it is time itself that loses it's grip. And getting that deep is like allowing yourself to drown. Scary. But it's realer than anything you think about on an average day.

[MajMike]

One must never stop learning, or seeking to understand himself and his place in the universe, this applies to theology as well.

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge. - Daniel J Boorstein

The more I learn the more I realize I do not know.

[PureEvil760]

Words gain true meaning when you let yourself know the perfection of the soul.
Enlightenment isn't "beyond words", it's just beyond the normal ego model that everyone functions on(their personal world crafted by their childhood). The imperfect sinner's awareness, rather than realizing that beneath that, is always the ever forgiving and understanding arms of the Soul/god, and there is noone trying shape you into anything but what God already is, always has been.

But once you allow yourself the awakening, suddenly you allow yourself to actually Go somewhere towards healing, rather than always trying to Heal yourself...

The problem with posting about it is that unless this is read by a wise old man with the same One Truth Wisdom, or a child, you aren't going to get this.
Because there's nothing to get.
That's the problem. Theres no Riddle, it's just about Allowing yourself the maturity of individual perfection. The next step is realizing that everyone was also perfect, and that the conversations we have in opposition of other peoples choices/moods are only limiting them on their own journey.

And then you are about ready to go to the next level, which isn't imaginable in the slightest, because it is time itself that loses it's grip. And getting that deep is like allowing yourself to drown. Scary. But it's realer than anything you think about on an average day.

I know what your trying to say but somehow I think this is new information for you, possibly from personal experience but probably not.

[PureEvil760]

One must never stop learning, or seeking to understand himself and his place in the universe, this applies to theology as well.

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge. - Daniel J Boorstein

The more I learn the more I realize I do not know.

This is true and applied spiritually it is very true..Even when the light of God is being experienced you cannot accept anything until it is fully and completely mearged with your physical self. This is the marrage Jesus speaks of. You "marry" your higher self (Your spiritual self when you are not here) and basically become an angel incarnation, a saint, ascended master. From that point on you will experience the perminent joy that is the basis of the universe.

You cannot let yourself believe you have any knowlage or another test will shortly ensue.