Hamas

[Psycho4Bud]

Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin of the Gaza wing of the Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the First Intifada. Best known outside the Palestinian territories for its suicide bombings[3] and other attacks directed against civilians and Israeli military and security forces targets. Hamas' charter (written in 1988 and still in effect) calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.[4][5][6] Vehemently anti-Israel and, according to some, anti-Semitic[7] its charter states: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."[8] However, after coming to power, Hamas announced it was giving up suicide attacks and "offered a 10-year truce [with Israel] in return for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories: the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem."[9][10][11] Hamas also declared a unilateral ceasefire with Israel which, after Israeli air strikes in response to Hamas smuggling weapons into Gaza, was formally renounced.[12]

Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Canada,[20][21] the European Union,[22] Israel,[23] Japan,[24] and the United States,[25] and is banned in Jordan,[26] Australia,[27] and the United Kingdom[28] both list the militant wing of Hamas, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, as a terrorist organization. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on June 20, 2007 that Hamas are "murderous terrorists," after the group seized control of the Gaza Strip.[2] According to the US State Department, the group is funded by Iran, Palestinian expatriates, and private benefactors in Saudi Arabia and other Arab states.[25] In a 2002 report, Human Rights Watch stated that Hamas' leaders "should be held accountable for the war crimes and crimes against humanity" that have been committed by its members.[29]
Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas)

I know...."but they were elected!".......but so was Mahmoud Abbas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Abbas). Check out page 25 Article 127 regarding who is the Supreme Commander of their military forces. The members of Hamas are in direct violation.
CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:VPrVmRxP55UJ:www.jmcc.org/documents/palestineconstitution-eng.pdf+Palestine+Constitution&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)

Have a good one!:s4:

[Anubis10012007]

Hamas sucks.

[medicinal]

Hamas may suck, but it is the duly elected government of the palestinian people. Talking about war crimes, The good old US of A is regarded as a war criminal by many nations in the world, White phosphorus, napalm, cluster bombs, all outlawed by international treaties, have been used in Iraq and Afganistan. The unilateral invasion of a soverign country is considered a crime by many, Renditioning wasn't even on the books, it took the CIA to come up with that gem, (They fly them through Las Vegas, it is a plane changing station), Abu Graib and guantanamo are more reasons for the Haig to be fired up. We are being governed by criminals, world wide criminals, Wake up people, before it's too late and they are doing it to you. They have the laws to do it to you, Bush has made sure of that

[Psycho4Bud]

Hamas may suck, but it is the duly elected government of the palestinian people.

They may have been elected into parliment but still have NO RIGHT to form it's own army under the Palistinian Constitution.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Staurm]

Britain and America had no right to invade Iraq. Isreal had no right to spray Lebanon with cluster bombs. Am I missing something? Is it only Islamic states that have to abide by the rules of engangement?

[medicinal]

They may have been elected into parliment but still have NO RIGHT to form it's own army under the Palistinian Constitution.

Have a good one!:s4:Have you read the palestinian constitution? I think you'd be better served to read ours, and then take a critical look at what the Bush regime has been doing to it.

[Psycho4Bud]

Have you read the palestinian constitution? I think you'd be better served to read ours, and then take a critical look at what the Bush regime has been doing to it.


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CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:VPrVmRxP55UJ:www.jmcc.org/documents/palestineconstitution-eng.pdf+Palestine+Constitution&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)

What does Bush have to do with whether or not Hamas's actions are correct under their constitution. Relieve yourself of the hate and look at this group objectively.

Have a good one!:s4:

[greenbastard]

The west preaches democracy then when the result is not of their liking (e.g. Hamas wins election) they go back to terrorizing brown people.

Corporate media does a fine job of covering up the dirty stuff and portraying the other side as savages. Sheeple are gullible though...

[Psycho4Bud]

The west preaches democracy then when the result is not of their liking (e.g. Hamas wins election) they go back to terrorizing brown people.

Corporate media does a fine job of covering up the dirty stuff and portraying the other side as savages. Sheeple are gullible though...

I find the left in here absolutely hysterical at times. When a member from our own government goes just a bit out of line they call for their heads in a basket; when a terrorist group like Hamas goes against it's own countries constitution they have every excuse for them. READ page 25 of the link I posted and tell me that Hamas having their own militia is part of it.

"Terrorizing brown people"....give me a break! These are the same gentle people that encourage their children to be suicide bombers.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Silent Wolf]

Respect to Hamas. The one movement that turns around and tells the NWO to f**k off! Unlike the rest of the international community who just does what they say.

[greenbastard]

I find the left in here absolutely hysterical at times.

Labels - lol.

Western governments don't employ militias..? Blackwater..?

Pfff plz. You're regurgitating corporate media rhetoric. You're a drone mouthpiece. One of many that swallow what they're fed.

You know the types, the ones that saw CNN rerun old stock footage of palestinians celebrating in the streets after WTC got hit and started foaming at the mouth. It's called moral suasion and some fall for it hook line and sinker.

Open Wide and swallow.

Have a great one ;)

[Psycho4Bud]

Respect to Hamas.

Yeah, much respect to a group that wants to kill every Jewish man, woman , and child. Great post dude.:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

[greenbastard]

Blech. Both sides are to blame, one just has better marketing...

[Anubis10012007]

looking at it one way or another, both sides have maniac leaders and are no better in terms of war crimes or brutal methods. christ, the us used an a bomb on Japanese cities, but you can argue that was for a good reason.

[Staurm]

I find the left in here absolutely hysterical at times. When a member from our own government goes just a bit out of line they call for their heads in a basket; when a terrorist group like Hamas goes against it's own countries constitution they have every excuse for them......

With all due respect P4B for our obvious diametrically opposing views, isn't there a very large question mark over whether GWB actually won the election way back in 2000 at all. Weren't there road blocks preventing black people from voting. Is it not fair to say that it's highly likely Bush did not win the election fair and square and instead usurped his way into the presidency. Didn't they go out of their way to avoid a fair recount using the supreme court, knowing as we all do it would have lost Bush the election?

Then there's all the stuff surrounding 911, when members of the Bin Laden family were flown to safety, whilst all other jets were grounded. And the small point of going completely against world consensus on just about everything, including the Iraq invasion.

That's way out of line, a lot way.

[Psycho4Bud]

looking at it one way or another, both sides have maniac leaders and are no better in terms of war crimes or brutal methods.

What religion or culture doe's the west come right out and state that they should be wiped off the face of the earth?

christ, the us used an a bomb on Japanese cities, but you can argue that was for a good reason.

It was.....either that or loose another million of ours during a Japanese invasion.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

With all due respect P4B for our obvious diametrically opposing views, isn't there a very large question mark over whether GWB actually won the election way back in 2000 at all. Weren't there road blocks preventing black people from voting. Is it not fair to say that it's highly likely Bush did not win the election fair and square and instead usurped his way into the presidency. Didn't they go out of their way to avoid a fair recount using the supreme court, knowing as we all do it would have lost Bush the election?

LOL...when the republicans win it's crooked and when the dems win it's a fair election. I don't recall any of these "road blocks" in anything except for the conspiracy sites.

Then there's all the stuff surrounding 911, when members of the Bin Laden family were flown to safety, whilst all other jets were grounded. And the small point of going completely against world consensus on just about everything, including the Iraq invasion.

That's way out of line, a lot way.

OMG.....9-11 conspiracy on top of it all. Well, this has been fun but I have to exercise my rights of being a citizen of the good ol' U.S.A. and go for a putt on the Harley and show the lady how much she's appreciated. ;)

Have a good one!:s4:

[Silent Wolf]

Yeah, much respect to a group that wants to kill every Jewish man, woman , and child. Great post dude.:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4: There was a time when you yanks wanted to kill every redcoat that occupied your land. It's the same situation with Hamas towards Israel.

[Staurm]

OMG.....9-11 conspiracy on top of it all. Well, this has been fun but I have to exercise my rights of being a citizen of the good ol' U.S.A. and go for a putt on the Harley and show the lady how much she's appreciated. ;)

Well, it was on the news when it happened. There is no proof that it was a deliberate attempt to stop black people from voting, but it looked a great deal like it.

Whether that is true or not, you can't deny that the republicans did veto all attempts by the democrats to make time to have a fair and square recount, that alone speaks volumes.

[theonlyshawn1]

Respect to Hamas. The one movement that turns around and tells the NWO to f**k off! Unlike the rest of the international community who just does what they say.
ill get around to showing props to hamas right after im done with the kkk nazis and cia come on man can you seriously be that god damn ignorant?

[medicinal]

What does Bush have to do with whether or not Hamas's actions are correct under their constitution. Relieve yourself of the hate and look at this group objectively.

Have a good one!:s4:

I could care less about the constitution of palestine, but I am gravely worried about ours. The "hate" is well deserved. I have never seen a president with such callous disregard for the American people and the constitution as GW Bush. Even Nixon had more respect for the constitution than Bush and he was the ass of the century. Maybe if people like you paid more attention to our constitution and less to Palestines, we'd be closer to having a constitutional democracy with all our rights in place.

[Staurm]

I wonder why America bothers to have elections anymore, it seems as though it's the party with the greatest number of lawyers in the supreme court that wins these days. At least Hamas won fair and square, albiet on the back of support for counter measures towards the Isreali/American hegemony.

[Psycho4Bud]

I could care less about the constitution of palestine

Well, since this thread is about Hamas and they have a direct link to the Palestinian Constitution................

Have a good one!:s4:

[Staurm]

I think he was refering to his stance on the interference of Palestinian affairs by the hegemons. Seems like a perfectly relevant point to me.

[Psycho4Bud]

The actual issue was whether or not Hamas has the right to have it's own army under their constitution. The only thing that links either the U.S. or Israel to this is our support of Abbas.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Staurm]

Your well up on your homework, that's for sure, more than I can say. How many government's do they have over there in Isreal? I don't understand how an elected government shouldn't be allowed an army, or how they have one election in 2005 and then another in 2006.

[medicinal]

The actual issue was whether or not Hamas has the right to have it's own army under their constitution. The only thing that links either the U.S. or Israel to this is our support of Abbas.

Have a good one!:s4:

OK you got me, wrong thread, But, while we are discussing the totally irrelevant constitution of a third world country, maybe we should consider our own, seems to me that is way more important to US citizens, Those idiots in palestine have blood feuds going back thousands of years, you know, your cousin killed my uncle etc. Nothing will ever work in that part of the world. Peace is a very abstract theory to them. If you took away all the guns, they'd be killing each other with knives, rocks, or any other weapon they could lay hands on. Guns just make it less personal and easier.

[Psycho4Bud]

Your well up on your homework, that's for sure, more than I can say. How many government's do they have over there in Isreal? I don't understand how an elected government shouldn't be allowed an army, or how they have one election in 2005 and then another in 2006.

An elected government has the right to an army but the question is who is in controll of that army. In their constitution, it is made VERY clear that Abbas, the President, is in charge of the armed forces.

This situation would be comparable to the Democrats in the states having thier own army and taking over half of the country. They may have been elected in "06" but have no right to create or hold an independent army not to mention creating a civil war.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Silent Wolf]

ill get around to showing props to hamas right after im done with the kkk nazis and cia come on man can you seriously be that god damn ignorant?Well, some of us Brits havn't forgot about the days when the Jews back stabbed us. We helped save them from the Nazis, and not to mention giving them Israel. And how did they repay us, by killing my countrymen!. So Forgive me if i don't share as much love for the zionist state as you.

[Psycho4Bud]

OK you got me, wrong thread, But, while we are discussing the totally irrelevant constitution of a third world country, maybe we should consider our own, seems to me that is way more important to US citizens, Those idiots in palestine have blood feuds going back thousands of years, you know, your cousin killed my uncle etc. Nothing will ever work in that part of the world. Peace is a very abstract theory to them. If you took away all the guns, they'd be killing each other with knives, rocks, or any other weapon they could lay hands on. Guns just make it less personal and easier.

Oh hell yeah.......if they didn't have guns it's for sure they'd be throwing stones!
Arab vs. Jews/Christians/Hindu
Arab vs. Kurds
Sunni vs. Shiite
Arab vs. Arab from the same religious sector......

Such a peaceful bunch of people.:wtf:

Have a good one!

[Staurm]

If they were elected in 2006, why is Abbas still in power? Do they have two elections for different parts of the government, or is Abbas refusing to stand down?

[Psycho4Bud]

He was elected to the President position.......Hamas just won the majority of the seats in their parliment. Like with our elections in "08"....there'll be a number of House seats up, Senate, and the Presidential seat.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Staurm]

Right, now I see. So America and Isreal favour the rather more dictatorial position of Abbas to the democractic majority of Hamas?

[Psycho4Bud]

Right, now I see. So America and Isreal favour the rather more dictatorial position of Abbas to the democractic majority of Hamas?

Abbas...the Fatah party, is willing to negotiate with Israel about issues. Hamas has the directive of kicking Israel out to the sea and taking over the land........NO negotiations, just death.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Staurm]

A bit like Isreals directive then.

[andruejaysin]

It was.....either that or loose another million of ours during a Japanese invasion.

Have a good one!:s4:To say nothing of the japanese casualties. Actually agree with you on this one, though I don't see why the second bomb couldn't wait a week or two. A cynic might say the russian decloration of war on japan was a factor. Back to the topic at hand, I said arafat would be missed, and sooner rather than later. Sad but true.

[medicinal]

Oh hell yeah.......if they didn't have guns it's for sure they'd be throwing stones!
Arab vs. Jews/Christians/Hindu
Arab vs. Kurds
Sunni vs. Shiite
Arab vs. Arab from the same religious sector......

Such a peaceful bunch of people.:wtf:

Have a good one!

Kinda reminds me of the cure for crabs, pour salt on your crotch and they'll stone each other to death. Or hold a mirror up to your ass and they'll think it's new territory and jump accross and break their necks, The one I always liked was shave one side, light fire to the other, and when they run out, stab them with an ice pick. Have a good one.

[Sugarblaster]

The actual issue was whether or not Hamas has the right to have it's own army under their constitution. The only thing that links either the U.S. or Israel to this is our support of Abbas.

Have a good one!:s4:

and the U.S. has less of a right than any other country other than Israel to be involved with this shit storm in the middle east. We, the U.S., is just tied in with loose alliance to Israel and our retarded involvment in Iraq.

if the suicide bombers want to kill themselves, let them do so. if they want Israel so bad, let them. as long as they don't use nukes and do it in a convential style it's all good. the moment they attack America is when we unleash our mighty hammer upon them!


wait... we did get attacked.... and what happened to those guys?


hmm... smoke a jay and ponder on that one.

[Psycho4Bud]

if the suicide bombers want to kill themselves, let them do so. if they want Israel so bad, let them. as long as they don't use nukes and do it in a convential style it's all good.

It's all good huh? REAL nice attitude there........karma is a bitch ya know.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Sugarblaster]

i don't see how karma comes into play here.

[Staurm]

If your going to blow your ass up in the middle of a vegetable market, you might find yourself reincarnated as a turnip patch.