Fact: Joints are not more wasteful

[moeburn]

Many people believe that joints waste more weed than other techniques such as pipes and bongs. They base this belief on the observation of a larger stream of smoke emitted by the tip of a joint, whereas the bowl has a small thin one.

THIS IS BECAUSE THE JOINT IS ALSO BURNING PAPER!

This can be proven. If you make a very long, skinny joint, and smoke 1/4 of it, you can carefully unwrap the paper off of it, leaving a long weed stick intact. It has to be very sticky weed to do this.

If you were to smoke this paper-less joint, you would see the same size stream of smoke emitted from its tip.

Case closed.

[robo scat]

What the hell.

[BoilerUp]

What the hell.

I can understand that.

[CannabisCrooz]

naw man. you have it wrong because of this:
"Many people believe that joints waste more weed than other techniques such as pipes and bongs. They base this belief on the observation of a larger stream of smoke emitted by the tip of a joint, whereas the bowl has a small thin one."

The reason I think joints are more wasteful is because they are constantly burning, even when you arent hitting them. at least with me and my friends hitting the bowl until its stopped burning is kinda common sense, sometimes you can't keep hitting it but thats like maybe 1/5 hits. so most of the time there is no smoke wasted with a bowl.

[robo scat]

Besides, joints ARE more wasteful. :)
Than things like volcanoes.. and hookahs. :p

[LimeCush]

i think so to....u cantgo wrong with bong toke or pipe ripscuz u consume ALL the smoke

[moeburn]

No dude they both stay burning while nobody's hitting it. But people thought the joint was more wasteful because it burned more smoke than a pipe did.

[wayoftheleaf]

You know something wasteful? A blunt.

But I still love em.

[evertking]

You know something wasteful? A blunt.

But I still love em.


very true!

[Gare0440]

blunts are bomb fuck i smoked like 2 today one sprinkled with coke and it was a chewy

[CannabisCrooz]

No dude they both stay burning while nobody's hitting it. But people thought the joint was more wasteful because it burned more smoke than a pipe did.

haha naw dude not everyone smokes like that, i usually make sure its out before i stop hitting it.

[orangeman]

I dunno about that thing but I do agree with you with joints NOT being wasteful because they don't waste weed. Maybe people that take little baby hits but joints are not harsh and weed is not harsh so if you have a joint you need to kill the hell out of it. Take like 6 hits at a time without blowing any smoke out lol. I murdered a joint at the bus stop one time and was high for the whole day.

[mikeo14]

I want a volcano vaporizer...:(

[Nochowderforyou]

You can't say this is fact Moe. That is called an opinion, not fact. What you perceive to be true doesn't make it fact.

I never considered joints to wasteful because they always burn. The cherry burns so slow when you're nolt inhaling, so what, you lose 5 seconds or so of billowing smoke? A bowl does the same thing.

BUT, I find that you need more weed to roll up a joint. I find it pointless to roll up a toothpick sized pinner just to smoke mostly paper. I find joints to be more effective when there is more than just you smoking.

[ukmonkey]

if you wanna stretch your weed just grind it fine and bulk it with backy.

[Dest]

a joints not wasteful as long as you bake a car or a room with it that way all the exess smoke thats burned off is eventually absorbed.

[LIP]

To most people a joint is a joint, but a joint is not a joint. A well rolled joint is a joint.

The art is to roll it so that when your not hitting it the tip is only slightly embering, so little that no smoke comes off of it, and it's not burning away.

If done right, your joint isnt wasting smoke or material, and it's not gone out either. A toke will ember it right up again, and when you stop it'll settle down and stop smoking again. With practise it's easy, it's like advanced joint rolling if you want to call it that. It's the step up after you've learned how to roll. And i can safely say im definatly not the only one here who can do this - so anyone who thinks "bullshit" - think twise.


That's how i can get a joint to last for so long.

A well rolled joint will not waste weed - so patheticly small loosely rolled ones will.

I'm going to say this now so i havnt got to say it later, but anyone thinking it "cant be done" is wrong, just because you cant do it, doesnt mean others cant. I cant blow glass, but it doesnt mean others cant.

[thedazn]

There have been studies to see the THC conversion for each way of smoking. Joints/Blunts are about 10-15%, Glass Bowls and Bongs are about 15-20%, Vaporizers are about 90-95%. Don't remember where I read that, but its the truth. So case closed, joints waste the most marijuana.

[LuckyG]

Wasn't it joints 30%, bongs 70%, vapes 100%?

[budsmoker only]

the only way i can see joints being more wasteful is if it is rolled incorrectly and just burns way to fast...

or if it starts to run.... that is also wasteful....

thedazn, it doesnt waste marijuana.... the percentages you just listed are how much thc burns, there is a lot more to marijuana than just thc.... and also i dont think those are right, ive seen somewhere else that a joint has more than a bowl...
i could be wrong tho... until i see the study i aint believing it, no offense...

[MacWQ33]

The art is to roll it so that when your not hitting it the tip is only slightly embering, so little that no smoke comes off of it, and it's not burning away.

Exactly...if it's not rolled right or rolled too loose, it will burn away a lot faster. I smoke joints less then blunts and bowls now, but used to a lot back in the day, and if you roll them right, they burn alright.

When I'm smoking a blunt that I rolled, sometimes you can't even tell it's lit, because there is such slight embering. I actually don't find blunts to be wasteful at all...at least mine don't really burn anything when I'm not hitting it...it just chills lol.

[Frickr]

one thing with a joint though, is all the resin soaks into the paper so you really burn it twice. there is an art to rolling a joint, and you have to know how to hit them too, i hate fuckers who get the end all soggy!

[Markass]

I never really thought about it, but indeed, I do bet a lot of the smoke that just burns and rolls of the end is the paper burning...

[Frickr]

what about a joint rolled with clear papers? those burn even slower, and its just the weed burnign there

[psteve]

I've been smoking pot for well over 35 years.
When I smoke joints or bongs, my sack is gone A LOT faster than when I smoke bowls, or use the volcano.
Plus, I hate the taste and smell of paper smoke.
P.S. on edit: Who cares? The real difference is , what do you enjoy smoking more?!?!

[JaMakin07]

i just read this but i will repeat it ,for i am high, and i do what i please ....blunts arent wasteful if you hotbox something......that is a true statement, and because its true it renders this post bullshit ...smoke a bong

[hateyoul3itch]

i just read this but i will repeat it ,for i am high, and i do what i please ....blunts arent wasteful if you hotbox something......that is a true statement, and because its true it renders this post bullshit ...smoke a bong

what?????

[King Cannabis]

mannnn im stoned:bigsmoke:

[Frickr]

mannnn im stoned:bigsmoke:

a stoner comment in every thread haha

[LIP]

There have been studies to see the THC conversion for each way of smoking. Joints/Blunts are about 10-15%, Glass Bowls and Bongs are about 15-20%, Vaporizers are about 90-95%. Don't remember where I read that, but its the truth. So case closed, joints waste the most marijuana.

Right. I'm not fucking standing for that. That IS NOT the truth, and im not having that left on the boards for people to read. That is bullshit. It's crap, and in no way true.

Either you havnt read anything, or whatever you HAVE read is EXTREMELY WRONG. You'll find after a bit of research that JOINTS actually have a the HIGHEST THC transfer rate, better than pipes bongs AND vapes. Dont litter the boards with excrement. People want to read something and KNOW it's the truth - what you wrote of misinformation.

[funfubarman]

A cherred bowl waste a lot more smoke than a joint or blunt, swishers are the way to go in my opinion

[sam44]

Right. I'm not fucking standing for that. That IS NOT the truth, and im not having that left on the boards for people to read. That is bullshit. It's crap, and in no way true.

Either you havnt read anything, or whatever you HAVE read is EXTREMELY WRONG. You'll find after a bit of research that JOINTS actually have a the HIGHEST THC transfer rate, better than pipes bongs AND vapes. Dont litter the boards with excrement. People want to read something and KNOW it's the truth - what you wrote of misinformation.


yes i believe lip is correct because you have to keep relighting a bowl, and the flame destroys some of the thc. with a joint, you only light it once.

[Ifrit369]

Joints just suck in general (unless you're on the move).

They're inefficient and I always feel paranoid while smoking in public, anyway.

[dejayou30]

What about the roach? It may not be wasted, but it sure tastes terrible if you try to load it in a pipe or something.

[unlockit]

after you roll one up. rub it on the leaves around your plant a little. I think it gives it somthing extra:yippee:

[t3chyo]

I see joints having the advantage of being able to smoke all of whats there. For example smoking out of a pipe, that smoke passing thru will stick to the sides and build up resin overtime. Joints, on the other-hand, smoke stream gets cut up in all the weed that you eventually smoke all of.

[sttomassmoker]

if you roll and smoke your joints right (fat, solid and proper), well that is the best way to smoke. You shouldn't be able to see any cherry in between hits. Give the jay time to cool off between hits, don't suck it like a milkshake. All the smoke you should see is the smoldering weed, the paper should be burning almost exclusively when you take a draw. Let the joint go out, have fun with it. The right head can take a joint for a few hour break.

Of course if you are in a hurry suck it down

oh and save the roaches for brownies.

[budsmoker only]

Right. I'm not fucking standing for that. That IS NOT the truth, and im not having that left on the boards for people to read. That is bullshit. It's crap, and in no way true.

Either you havnt read anything, or whatever you HAVE read is EXTREMELY WRONG. You'll find after a bit of research that JOINTS actually have a the HIGHEST THC transfer rate, better than pipes bongs AND vapes. Dont litter the boards with excrement. People want to read something and KNOW it's the truth - what you wrote of misinformation.

word, i knew that guy was lying...
i think you made a thread about it right??
i member reading that shit but couldnt figure out where i saw it... thank you for clearing that up LIP... your a good dude and know your shit.
blaze on :jointsmile:

[yoda]

if you roll a proper joint, it doesnt waste weed

[ricardo95]

if you wanna stretch your weed just grind it fine and bulk it with backy.

UK makes a good point. After my boy rought me a grinder from Amsterdam, with mucho miles on it, it mad erolling easier and smoking better.
If the weed is compressed, u may get uneven burning, and as a cigar lover also that SUCKS!! Grind or fine crush it (a la hands) and roll up.

[Frickr]

guys guys guys.. cant we all just sit around and burn a marijuana ciggerette?? joints are tried and true, people have been smoking with them for alot longer then other methods, i like smoking from glass, well love it, but still nothing brings back memories, or just the trill of smoking as a nicely rolled joint.

[beachguy in thongs]

On the THC Transfer Rate test, the joint came in second. Way ahead of the vaporizer.

[beachguy in thongs]

yes i believe lip is correct because you have to keep relighting a bowl, and the flame destroys some of the thc. with a joint, you only light it once.

That's why you only pack what you can hit. Maybe, a little a extra for a second hit. And joints get resinated. Steamrollers taste resin-free.

[beachguy in thongs]

THC Transfer Rate study:
Look at the bottom of this page
MAPS/CaNORML vaporizer and waterpipe studies (http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html)

[GraziLovesMary]

EVERYBODY PLEASE LISTEN TO LIP! The correctly rolled joint is in fact the most efficient way to smoke, second to a vaporizer. I have read more than just a little bit of literature on the subject and Im not speaking of wikipedia articles either. Im talking about scientific journals and published studies completed by people with PhD's in chemistry and biology. Did you know that the amount of THC that gets wasted in a joint that LIP would roll through uninhaled smoke is about... 5% of the total amount. And another 3% gets destroyed by heat. You destroy 50% of the THC EVERY TIME YOU BRING A FLAME TO THE WEED. Did you also know around 20-25% of the THC in a joint is in the roach?

According to the study that Beachguy in thongs posted, and in fact every study Ive read on the subject EVER, the water in a bong absorbs more THC than tar. It does not matter that THC is not water soluable... the water in a bong is never just pure HydrogenDioxide. The second it goes in your bong it is instantly populated by particulates that filter and trap delta9THC, and when you pull smoke through, more particulates are trapped which in turn trap more THC. Thank Jeebus for the placebo effect right?? Besides I get more high off CBD than THC when I take bong rips, which is why Im not cerebrally enhanced, Im just fuckin baked and lazy, and Im sober again in an hour.

A properly functioning vaporizer gets almost all the THC out of the bud with almost nothing else (including CBD for those who love the body high, so take a small bong rip or something in addition and you'll be obliterated). If you truly want the most out of your weed, invest in a good quality vape. And if you want to make your own, the vaporization point of THC is around 475-480F. The plant material begins to combust at around 496Fahrenheit.

[4twentE]

I almost never see a joint that keeps burning when nobody's hitting it. I think it's the filter that makes the difference between a cig and a J. Burning constantly, and J and a bowl are about equally efficient THC delivery systems. The bowl has the advantage when you have to relight it. You waste less weed without having to get the paper hot too. But they both go out about equally, maybe even giving the joint an advantage since it has a smaller fire that has to go out. So yeah, they're about even.

[Reefer Rogue]

THC Transfer Rate study:
Look at the bottom of this page
MAPS/CaNORML vaporizer and waterpipe studies (http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html)

That means the bubbler has the most effective Thc transfer rate.

Hmm, it said it did slightly better... I dunno now.

Maybe the vape is better, then joint then bubbler then bong... i dunno

[sman21]

blunts are bomb fuck i smoked like 2 today one sprinkled with coke and it was a chewy

Yes mate, if you burn cocaine it just gets destroyed and has no effect. Just thought i'd save you from wasting even more of it.

[LIP]

Yes mate, if you burn cocaine it just gets destroyed and has no effect. Just thought i'd save you from wasting even more of it.

Exactly - he just wasted some good white.

[imitator]

Yes mate, if you burn cocaine it just gets destroyed and has no effect. Just thought i'd save you from wasting even more of it.

Yeah... I mean what happened to the good ole days when people just snorted the shit.

[beachguy in thongs]

Not to get off topic, but I smoke from a one-hitter bowl, out of a steamroller, and have found that to be the easiest to control, plus the best-tasting.

[GraziLovesMary]

Not to get off topic, but I smoke from a one-hitter bowl, out of a steamroller, and have found that to be the easiest to control, plus the best-tasting.

Yes using a one-hitter such as a dugout/cigarette bat with good weed is the most economical way to smoke. I made a gram last me 3 days lol. The small diameter allows you to just touch the flame to it and let the cherry do the rest of the work. If you are going to use a pipe, use a one-hitter.

[GraziLovesMary]

That means the bubbler has the most effective Thc transfer rate.

Hmm, it said it did slightly better... I dunno now.

Maybe the vape is better, then joint then bubbler then bong... i dunno

Dont pay too much attention to those THC Transfer rates.. any study that proposes results from old data without explaining methodology should be discounted. They left out alot of factors when testing the transfer rate, and the experiment should be completely redone with new methodology.

[Reefer Rogue]

Yeah, to be honest i couldn't care less. As long as i have potent cannabis to inhale, i'm (more) happy.

[Don Don]

Go get some clear rolling papers.They only burn when you take a hit.Just got me a new pack and now there the only thing I roll with.The only thing you taste when you hit that shit is your herb.And they burn cleaner than white paper.Damn they burn a long ass time.

[Marco0172255]

partly true but u can see wen u hold it side ways that IS ALSO BURNING WEED!!!
joint are the worst way to use weed not just that they waste weed, cuz its not that big of a diffrence then others way but blunts cost a fair amount of money wen u smoke 2 times a day (;

and yea the best papers are those clear ones even though ive only tried them once the tight

[Snowboardz]

Here is info from some real research:

Approximately 10 percent to 20 percent of the THC is transferred into the body when smoking a joint.

About 40 percent to 50 percent of the THC is transferred into the body when using a pipe.

Oral bioavailability of THC, whether given in the pure form or as THC in marijuana, also is low and extremely variable, ranging between 5 percent and 20 percent. The amount of drug absorbed is about one-third of that which would be absorbed by smoking.

[Snowboardz]

Can you please cite a source for this? Doesn't seem like very accurate info...

I forget where I found it originally but here GrassCity.Com - How Marijuana works (http://shop.grasscity.com/shop/grasscity/marijuana.html?page=6)

and here Medical Marijuana: Minnesota Bill Dies Without House Vote as Legislature Adjourns | Stop the Drug War (DRCNet) (http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/487/minnesota_medical_marijuana_bill_dies_house_adjour ns)

also NIH Workshop on the Medical Utility of Marijuana - Part 2 (http://www.medmjscience.org/Pages/reports/nihpt2.html)

and TCES Medical Marijuana (http://www.thecesolution.com/ce/lessons/TCES_MedicalMarijuana_050106/TCES_MedicalMarijuana_050106.htm)


YEP, I actually found real sources, bitches!

[slipknotpsycho]

errr... i had my reply all ready... lol..

i'll still post it...

when you smoke weed in a bowl... everytiem you light it you're burning extra weed.... the act of lighting it burns off more then just inhaling a solid cherry....

only way a bowl saves over joint is if you only light the bowl once...

[fatsackville]

i didnt read thye whole thread so this might have been said already, but a joint gives you a green hit every time a bowl only hits green the first light or two