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afghooey
06-15-2007, 09:46 AM
We are taught from a very young age that we're nobody until we find ourselves; that if we don't live up to certain expectations, we "won't amount to anything". How many times as a child were you asked about what you wanted to be when you grew up? Not what you wanted to do -- what you wanted to be. There is so much emphasis put on what we will become in the future that we often overlook what's already there. Then, when we finally notice that something has been overlooked, we find we can't put our finger on just what it is that we missed and as a result we get very confused about who we are.

Thus we're tricked into thinking there is some void, and we're encouraged from all sides to search for a purpose that will fill that void. This culminates during adolescence and young adulthood -- at that great time in life when we're expected to go out and discover what we were taught to assume is missing: to take our place in the world, to fill our niche, to play our role, to find our destiny.

Is it any coincidence that adolescence is notorious for being a time of great strife, confusion and depression? All these roles that we fill in society: the student, scientist, waiter, plumber, husband, wife, et cetera.. are these who we really are? Don't we shed one mask just to don another? And what about those who are unable to find a niche to fill? Those who can't seem to figure out exactly where they were meant to be? Do they deserve derision or chastisement (whether from themselves or others) because they can't 'find their place'? What's more, if finding our role in society doesn't equate to 'finding ourselves', then what does?

The answer, depending on how you look at it, can be exceedingly simple or incredibly elusive and enigmatic. The long and short of it is, you can't put a name on your true self; nor can you define it with mental images and concepts. The moment you do, you are looking at the symbols and concepts instead of who you really are. It is as impossible to define your true self as it is to lift yourself up by your own bootstraps; or to bite your own teeth, as Alan Watts put it. The more you try to grasp it, the more it slips through your fingers.

This goes against everything we're taught in Western society because everything that's considered to be important tends to be named, categorized and defined. Those things which can't be defined or that we don't bother to define are usually deemed relatively unimportant and often payed very little attention (if any at all). It also can be very disconcerting to realize that your true identity eludes definition, because if you can't know who you are then what ground do you have to stand on? The only way to get past this problem is to break through another definition: what it means to know yourself.

If you hold the standard of self-knowledge to a definition you set yourself up for failure, because you will never find a definition that truly fits; at best, you will only be confining yourself within the limits of that definition. Knowing yourself -- truly knowing yourself -- is a process that can only come about with openness and trust. It seems like a bit of a catch 22, doesn't it? How can you trust yourself if you don't know yourself to begin with? But consider this: if you can't trust yourself, then how can you even trust your mistrust of yourself?

You see, trust is the key, and a cornerstone of all knowledge. Not trust that what you know is right, but trust that truth will always remain the truth no matter what your perceptions of it may be or what definitions you try to give it. This is why the truth will set you free; because the truth itself is free from any confines that we could ever try to impose on it.

Likewise, our perception of the truth (including the truth of who we are) doesn't have to be restricted by the confines of definitions, ideals or symbols, if we don't want it to.

That, my friends, is the beauty of choice...

StonedAssasin
06-17-2007, 08:46 AM
Beautifully put! JUST BE!

YouTube - Dj Tiesto - Just Be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvKbGQRrWCM)

Don't try to put yourself in a stereotype or try to live up to some sort of goal made up in your head.. just friggin be.. You like what you like you are what you are.. it's the truth.. and it has no name. Dont listen to what people say about you.. words are words made up by humans.. SELF is completely different, it cannot be defined by anywords.. and the Beauty of free will.. Thank the all Loving God.. Who loves you even if reject him.. and enjoy life. JUST BE!

FreeVenice
06-17-2007, 09:34 AM
I want to be in the stereotype, of being a threat to Corporate Society. . .


if you ever have one real goal in life, it should be ground moving. It should change the world, or at least how the people in it think.

Just remember "The blind could not read, till they were brought brail." The world will not wake up untill every single being feels that their life is involved. . . and to "Just Be", well that's not a life for me. . .

Reefer Rogue
06-17-2007, 01:57 PM
I said I am that I am, I am, I am, I am.

afghooey
06-17-2007, 03:44 PM
"There was a young man who said, 'Though
It seems that I know that I know,
What I would like to see
Is the I that sees me
When I know that I know that I know."
-Alan Watts

Inferius
06-18-2007, 07:32 PM
YES YES YES YES!!!!!
"I" awoke to god just last night,
and I have never been more trusting, more concentrated, more compassionate, and yet more empty.
A really really great simple straightforward way for becoming self-aware and then working toward full-time nirvana is The Headless Way -- Homepage (http://www.headless.org/english-new/homepage.html)

The Headless Way. Afghooey you explained it perfectly, but for those who are still lost the headless way lets you do a few simple excersizes outside the realm of thought that sort of shock the system into understanding Zen.

It also approaches another truly incredible aspect of self-knoledge, that lies in the concept of multi-celled organisms, how the earth itself is an organism and equally as conscious as the galaxy and then the universe all the way down to a singular atom. We are not in fact "Humans" but the very Essence Of God that is all things. We only perceive a separation due to conditioning.

God bless.

Edit: man afghooey even your avatar means enlightenment!
Life and Death are so beautiful...

afghooey
06-18-2007, 10:17 PM
Thanks for sharing that link! Awesome stuff. :)

LuckyG
06-20-2007, 02:28 AM
This is one of those great doors that marijuana swung open for me lately.

For the past four months I've been alone, without friends, in a small town where the opportunities for distraction are limited to going to church and getting drunk. I don't like either of those things, and weed was nowhere to be found, so in a desperate attempt to keep my mind occupied I took on activity after activity, trying to escape boredom and depression. Sculpting, sketching, gaming, blogging, exercising, cleaning, cooking - one by one they either became boring, or were rendered undoable by outside circumstances. I was stressed, depressed, and wound up like a spring.

Three weeks ago I landed some rather kind bud and started smoking a bowl a day. Suddenly I wasn't held to any particular timeline in which I had to strive to accomplish something. When I smoke, I can just do what I like - I'm not worried about accomplishing anything, or feeling like I'm missing something - I just do what I want to do. Am I hungry? Go eat something. Am I tired? Go to sleep. Watch some television - it is okay. Just do what makes you and those around you happy.

"One of the nice things about looking at a bear is that you know it spends 100 per cent of every minute of every day being a bear. It doesn't strive to become a better bear. It doesn't go to sleep thinking, "I wasn't really a very good bear today". They are just 100 per cent bear, whereas human beings feel we're not 100 per cent human, that we're always letting ourselves down. We're constantly striving towards something, to some fulfilment".
- Stephen Fry

afghooey
06-20-2007, 02:35 AM
Definitely. Weed has helped me with that too, with just appreciating where I am right now. Take notice of the lesson, and you can learn to have that appreciation at any time, not just while you're high. It takes time and practice, but the more you know it the easier it gets.

Inferius
06-20-2007, 06:28 PM
Definitely. Weed has helped me with that too, with just appreciating where I am right now. Take notice of the lesson, and you can learn to have that appreciation at any time, not just while you're high. It takes time and practice, but the more you know it the easier it gets.

very very very true.
You know how weed allows us to feel closer to music?
We can do that ALL THE TIME!!
Just practice Not-practicing, lol. And like, it goes for everything. The whole psychedelic expirience can be replicated by... awareness. Faith.
Just one giant out of body expirience.
I don't remember who said it, but it went something like...
The way to do psychedelics, is to do them once and then spend the next 15 years getting there on your own.
And it's possible.
That's the most wonderful truth in the world.
It's possible.

PureEvil760
06-24-2007, 06:25 AM
Nice, all childhood memorrys are ego-based which proves what you were sayin.

AtmanWalter
07-03-2007, 07:37 AM
I love what your saying there Inferious do a psycdelic then work and that state of being being your perminate state, the modern buddha. I love it :D
Socrates said Know Thy Self. Those words changed the world forever, too bad they were cut short by his death sentence tho :P lol
Each human individual should go on an inner quest to discover himself and find out how he can better the world through just being
And remeber this folks we are both humans and beings
thus the word human beings. We must fulfill both halves inorder to be whole

By the way any of you read any of Ken Wilbers books, he kinda talks about this kinda stuff

psteve
07-03-2007, 07:59 AM
I yam what I yam.

Iambreathingin
08-14-2007, 08:27 AM
The opening post blew me away. I have shared it with all my friends and your writing is just inspirational.

*cough*

Wow, not to sound like a total freak :p But really man somthing about the subject matter really gets through to me and people I know, thanks for the post.

Inferious's post about taking psy drugs once and then getting there on your own is a type of what me and my friends refer to as, well a sort of meditation. We did mushrooms at the ripe age of 16, about 5 or 6 times over the summer, and our lives changed. Since then it's asif we've shared a perspective with the world.

I've always found that putting this sort of stuff into words is abit futile, as it will never come across to a mass audience with the true power of what it describes, but you all seem to do it wonderfully. I'm hooked on reading these threads now.

GraziLovesMary
08-14-2007, 09:43 PM
I yam what I yam.

How would one onomatapoiea-ize a popeye laugh?? lmao thats what I was thinking when I first saw his post lmao.