Ugh, BOYS piss me off.

[BabyFacedAbortion]

After reading a few threads that began to piss me off, I must vent.

I am extremely tired of the degrading of women..EVERYWHERE! I don't understand why men automatically assume they're the stronger sex. A dick between your legs makes you a better person then me? I don't think so. I've met so many boys and men that just deserve to be SHOT for the things they do and say, especially towards women. I've met bitchy girls as well, but Jesus Christ, at least they can admit they're twats. I'm tired of boys walking around like they have an S on their chest, thinking they're invincible.

A girl flirts, she's a slut. A girl rejects you and she's a bitch? Nice.


Sorry if this doesn't make sense, as usual I'm a bit stoned. Maybe not stoned enough lol!

[mfqr]

After reading a few threads that began to piss me off, I must vent.

I am extremely tired of the degrading of women..EVERYWHERE! I don't understand why men automatically assume they're the stronger sex. A dick between your legs makes you a better person then me? I don't think so. I've met so many boys and men that just deserve to be SHOT for the things they do and say, especially towards women. I've met bitchy girls as well, but Jesus Christ, at least they can admit they're twats. I'm tired of boys walking around like they have an S on their chest, thinking they're invincible.

A girl flirts, she's a slut. A girl rejects you and she's a bitch? Nice.


Sorry if this doesn't make sense, as usual I'm a bit stoned. Maybe not stoned enough lol!

Lol, I agree. It is a pretty lame thing to do. But then again, maybe you should take a look at our society. It's not necessarily their fault, when they've been forcefully conditioned (without knowing) to see women in such ways. I'm a male, but I don't degrade women.

[Ganj]

Men have to degrade women, otherwise we will never fully recover from the heartache you women give us. However, making disparaging comments about the opposite sex has never gotten me anywhere, and making those comments directly towards a woman, well, that is something I just do not do, unless the woman has already called herself a bitch. Woman have to be that way sometimes, otherwise guys wont get the idea that she is not interested. Alright, maybe they can be kinder, but that is a bitch for you. They are simply not kind at all.

[birdgirl73]

There are folks who'e evolved, and those who are not, BFA. If the thread I suspect generated your ire, you have to consider the source of such attitudes. There are a good many losers out there who weren't raised to regard women as equals or respect them. And there are a lot of them who don't actually like women, sad as that is. Yes, men who consider themselves heterosexuals but actually don't like or respect women at all. The world is full of them, and as a young women you need to be on the lookout for them. Has to do with how they were raised and their relationships with women in their families of origin--and often with the prehistoric attitudes modeled for them by their fathers.

When you know that this is a problem that has to do with small-minded losers and not with women themselves, it's fairly easy to write off such stupid, sexist attitudes. They're out there. Always have been. Probably will be for another two or three generations, at least. The sad thing is people with these attitudes actually come in both genders. There are a few sad women out there who believe they're inferior to men, too.

I know it's hard, but letting the pathetic, misogynistic jerks of the world get to you is a victory for them instead of for us. Keep rising above the losers and proving them wrong!

[birdgirl73]

P.S. Don't let all men piss you off. Just the small-minded ones. There are lots of educated, evolved, wonderful guys out there who work with women as professional equals every day and manage to treat their partners, daughters, mothers, sisters, and female friends as equals when they're not working. The smarter a guy is, the more evolved his abilities in this area.

While I'm at this, I'd just like tell my husband how very much I love and adore him. Thank you, Dave, for not being one of the idiots of the world. How wonderful it would have been to have a daughter in addition to a son with you so you could have shown her how male-female interaction ought to be done. Thank you for teaching our son what you taught him.

[geonagual]

First, I want to say this is my first post here in the womens issues forum...I do respect all of your space..but I wanted to respond..

I wanted to say that I love and respect women very much and always treat them as a equals..I have taught my daughters well on how to deal with people (men) and to never take shit from anyone and to NEVER let anyone discourage them from doing anything that they want to do.

As an addition, I want to say that I appreciate all of you ladies on this board...all of you are great and I swear if you werent here I definitly would not be..Peace and Love:hippy:

[birdgirl73]

Thanks, Geonagual. You're one of the good ones. Men like you who genuinely like and respect women make wonderful fathers to daughters and husbands to wives. You help show them that they don't have to put up with the sorts of idiots who have attitudes like the poster on another thread who motivated BFA to start this one.

My husband has a theory, after reading that other post, and maybe he'll come on here and say it in his own incomparable way, that that particular guy on the other thread has actually never been within 20 yards of an actual woman, not to mention a citizen of France.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I treat women very respectfully. Better, actually, than I do men. I open doors, listen to their words, try to be understanding, and most of all be supportive of my wife.

I was taught by both my parents. My mother taught me, among other things, to walk on the curb side when accompanying a girl or woman. How many guys do this anymore? My father taught me to have humility, patience, and faithfulness in a relationship.

Just because I criticize the direction that mass culture is going in America does not mean that I personally act like an idiot - like a large percentage of men and women do.

I was single for many years, and worked on myself before committing to marriage. After the marriage, I continued to progress. My wife and I have no struggles with each other at all.

Many people today haven't the faintest idea of what I'm talking about, which is sad. Just look at the divorce rates, and other signs of the times. That's proof enough for me.

[Skink]

A guy only thinks he is the stronger sex,,,,shame on you BFA,,,it's up to you to keep the myth alive... you will come to know that if you keep us dumb you will flourish...

[FreeVenice]

Hey man, my mate isn't going to be eating me anytime soon. . . . .:stoned:

[420marijuana420]

That's a generalization you just made over an entire sex, which is the same thing that made you mad and inspired you to make this thread in the first place.

[FakeBoobsRule]

That's a generalization you just made over an entire sex, which is the same thing that made you mad and inspired you to make this thread in the first place.


K+ 420 squared!!!

BFA has a point but not all guys are like that.

[birdgirl73]

That's a generalization you just made over an entire sex, which is the same thing that made you mad and inspired you to make this thread in the first place.
BFA did make a generalization about the entire gender, which isn't fair, it's true. Fortunately there are lots and lots of great men out there. What BFA was responding to, however--and you'll probably better understand her reaction after reading this, 420Marijuana420--was this particular post, including information above and below it.
http://boards.cannabis.com/sexuality/119905-why-do-people-like-treated-like-shit.html#post1479936

Down below, he backpedals and says he was addressing a problem with the direction of mass culture. But in the previous thread, he was specicially identifying what he saw as a problem with women and their lack of "training" by men. You can try and sprinkle sociological sugar on it now, BA, but it still reflects really frightening attitudes, no matter how harmonious you profess your relationships with women are.

[Matt the Funk]

I treat women as I would men. I favor some more than others. Although I am probably a little over-all nicer to women. From males everywhere, i'm sorry.

[Breukelen advocaat]

BFA did make a generalization about the entire gender, which isn't fair, it's true. Fortunately there are lots and lots of great men out there. What BFA was responding to, however--and you'll probably better understand her reaction after reading this, 420Marijuana420--was this particular post, including information above and below it.
http://boards.cannabis.com/sexuality/119905-why-do-people-like-treated-like-shit.html#post1479936

Down below, he backpedals and says he was addressing a problem with the direction of mass culture. But in the previous thread, he was specicially identifying what he saw as a problem with women and their lack of "training" by men. You can try and sprinkle sociological sugar on it now, BA, but it still reflects really frightening attitudes, no matter how harmonious you profess your relationships with women are.

I said that they should be trained properly when they are young (â??They train them in the correct behavior toward the opposite sex, when they're young.â?�) - which means as children.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me that family relationships and marriages are better today than 50 years ago - it's not true and everybody knows it.

I don't like it when people have a chip on their shoulder - men or women. In my experience in the world of dating, a lot of my girlfriends had them, mostly due to being spoiled and listening to rhetorical, inaccurate bullshit from so-called feminist celebrities, educators and writers, both male and female. I also noticed these tendencies in general, not just with women I dated. This is not to say ALL women are like that.

Somebody named Larry Josephson pointed out, on a very left-leaning radio station in NYC some 30-odd years ago, that many of today's "liberated" women are trying to act like the way they think men USED to act, in an attempt to even things out. He was right then, and it's still true today.

[GraziLovesMary]

Dont ever give a man the benefit of the doubt as far as how he was raised effecting how he treats a woman. Regardless of whether or not it was years of conditioning towards that twisted ideal that made him that way, the fact remains that he still RETAINS that point of view. And he does so out of ignorance. Fuck all that shit. Any dude that says most guys arent really like that is full of shit. And he's most likely one of those dudes. Even the guys that are all sweettalk to the ladies faces... Ive heard them saying different shit about the same people when its just him and his friends. But that seems to be how life goes.. talk shit about other people and fuck em over. Thats the human motto. Blah.

I cannot really begin to describe how much I love women, and the esteem I hold you ladies in. Needless to say, will all of you marry me??? :p

[Staurm]

In the UK some of the women have got bigger cocks than the men! Myself excluded of course :D I'm just kidding....

Seriously though, as a guy who tries to respect women as much as possible, I have been treated like utter shit all my life by some of them over here. I don't know wny this is, you just need to cross the english channel and all of a sudden everyone, not just the women, turn into the most compassionate human beings! I am generalising of course there are plenty of kind souls here too.

From a scientific and Taoist point of, it is most certainly female values that rule the world. Men THINK they rule the world, but its just their stupidity and egoes that are destroying the world. Intelligence is a feminine attribute, I just wish some of the women in this country would think more like women and stop acting like power freaks. From a deep ecological stand point it is principles of co-operation, interconnectedness that binds the web of life and has sustained life on the planet for billions of years. It is not dominance or survival of the strongest as the neo-Darwinists wrongly assume.

Love and respct to all women, not all of us guys are chauvinist pigs. :hippy:

[suhl]

people who generalize one entire sex or the other annoy me. it would piss me off but ive heard it so many times from either side now i just let those who do the generalizing wallow in their own ignorance and pass on by.

[Demeter]

There are still many antiquated notions out there about women (and gays and races and religions, yikes), and it is disheartening, though this country is far from the worst in that regard.
I feel your frustration bfa- I have had my share of experiences with jerks, and each time it saddens me.
But we are making progress, because of the strong women who won't be put down, and the lovely men (there are many on this site!) who won't tolerate sexism. After a few more generations, perhaps sexism ( and all the other isms!) will begin to fade away.
Living well is the best revenge!

[Psycho4Bud]

Womens issues........NO MANS LAND here! Birdgirl knows that avoid this area like the plague.......I figure you ladies can do very well without our influence in here and there are some issues that I'd just as soon stay WAY away from.

As for the thread........men, women, whites, blacks, etc........you'll find assholes in each one of the divisions. Don't let the few speak for the rest.

I read some of the crap in sexuallity on how they told their bitch blah, blah.....must be real hard to talk back to a porno on the tube because they sure the hell don't have a real woman. I'd have to agree with Triumph the insult dog, "The last time that they saw female genitallia was during child birth".

The Sexuallity Forum has such potential for exchanges of ideas, gathering usefull information, etc... It's a shame what actually goes on in here. I would just LOVE to come in here and do some hardcore moderating BUT I don't think that would fly to well. LOL....never know what the future hold in store though.

A male dominant site + majority age group is under 20 = walking hard ons with big mouths and probably no action. Listen to the ladys boys.......that's if you EVER want a date.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[happiestmferoutthere]

The absolute best way to determine how a man will treat his woman is by how he treats his mother. If he respects his mother, he will most likely respect you.( I'm not talking about mamas boys. Thats a whole new thread!) If he thinks his mother is a controlling bitch,well..... be careful!
I am glad to see men pipe in and say " I'm not like that!" Thats nice. And remember:

[Breukelen advocaat]

The absolute best way to determine how a man will treat his woman is by how he treats his mother. If he respects his mother, he will most likely respect you.( I'm not talking about mamas boys. Thats a whole new thread!) If he thinks his mother is a controlling bitch,well..... be careful!
I am glad to see men pipe in and say " I'm not like that!" Thats nice. And remember:"Behind Every Bitch Is A Man Who Made Her That Way"

The worst men in the world usually treat their mothers fine. They can also treat their spouse or partner well, also. What they do the rest of the time, to other people, DOES matter.

Your attachment, "Behind Every Bitch Is A Man Who Made Her That Way" sums up a lot of what I see as the problem. Blaming men for a general nastiness in females is par for the course today.

If anybody is to blame, it's usually the parents because they didn't raise their daughter right. The same is true of boys. Proper training of the young used to be considered necessary. Now, the parents are either too busy, or too ignorant, to do it correctly. Because there have been several generations since society started changing for the worse, behaviors and traditions have gone downhill - and it affects everything.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Womens issues........NO MANS LAND here! Birdgirl knows that avoid this area like the plague.......I figure you ladies can do very well without our influence in here and there are some issues that I'd just as soon stay WAY away from.

As for the thread........men, women, whites, blacks, etc........you'll find assholes in each one of the divisions. Don't let the few speak for the rest.

I read some of the crap in sexuallity on how they told their bitch blah, blah.....must be real hard to talk back to a porno on the tube because they sure the hell don't have a real woman. I'd have to agree with Triumph the insult dog, "The last time that they saw female genitallia was during child birth".

The Sexuallity Forum has such potential for exchanges of ideas, gathering usefull information, etc... It's a shame what actually goes on in here. I would just LOVE to come in here and do some hardcore moderating BUT I don't think that would fly to well. LOL....never know what the future hold in store though.

A male dominant site + majority age group is under 20 = walking hard ons with big mouths and probably no action. Listen to the ladys boys.......that's if you EVER want a date.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:
P4B, I was thinking those exact same things but if I would have said what I was thinking somehow I would have gotten an infraction. You stated that so well but is that really any surprise to us?

[BabyFacedAbortion]

To those who say I'm generalizing. Yeah, I guess I was; but I posted this in the women's forum for a reason.

I obviously am not including the men who treat women right. Don't be ignorant.

If you're a dude and you got mad at this post..you need to think about WHY you're mad. Are you one of those guys I was talking about? Do YOU shit talk your lady behind her back? Do you throw her around, call her names, what's YOUR deal? Do you think you're a God?

I know there are nice guys out there..I think I might have found one today, so I'm a bit more hopeful.

I apologize if I've offended anyone, although I don't know why I would have unless you're a women-basher.

Thanks for all the responses to everyone though, I always appreciate replies.

[RyanTheCaveman]

Ironically i just done watching superman returns...


I wish i could have his powers :-O

[stinkyattic]

The Sexuallity Forum has such potential .... It's a shame what actually goes on in here. I would just LOVE to come in here and do some hardcore moderating... LOL....never know what the future hold in store though.
Yup. It gets out of hand pretty fast when the testosterone reaches critical mass! *FOOSH*


A male dominant site + majority age group is under 20 = walking hard ons with big mouths and probably no action. Listen to the ladys boys.......that's if you EVER want a date.

Word. Tell em Psycho... And a 'date' is different from a one night stand with a girl who has shit self-esteem probably brought on by these EXACT attitudes towards females... it's a GREAT self-fulfilling prophesy. Thanks, fellas!

[psteve]

After reading a few threads that began to piss me off, I must vent.

I am extremely tired of the degrading of women..EVERYWHERE! I don't understand why men automatically assume they're the stronger sex. A dick between your legs makes you a better person then me? I don't think so. I've met so many boys and men that just deserve to be SHOT for the things they do and say, especially towards women. I've met bitchy girls as well, but Jesus Christ, at least they can admit they're twats. I'm tired of boys walking around like they have an S on their chest, thinking they're invincible.

A girl flirts, she's a slut. A girl rejects you and she's a bitch? Nice.


Sorry if this doesn't make sense, as usual I'm a bit stoned. Maybe not stoned enough lol!
Stop dating boys. Try dating a man. Have the self respect to wait for the right guy, or... you get what you settle for.

[BabyFacedAbortion]

I was actually thinking that the title shouldn't be MEN and I shouldn't be using the term "men" when I mean BOYS. ^^ Agreed.

[thcbongman]

After reading a few threads that began to piss me off, I must vent.

I am extremely tired of the degrading of women..EVERYWHERE! I don't understand why men automatically assume they're the stronger sex. A dick between your legs makes you a better person then me? I don't think so. I've met so many boys and men that just deserve to be SHOT for the things they do and say, especially towards women. I've met bitchy girls as well, but Jesus Christ, at least they can admit they're twats. I'm tired of boys walking around like they have an S on their chest, thinking they're invincible.

A girl flirts, she's a slut. A girl rejects you and she's a bitch? Nice.


Sorry if this doesn't make sense, as usual I'm a bit stoned. Maybe not stoned enough lol!

I can explain this simply as a typical man, not perfect at all, and well, just being a man. =)

The dating world is very frustrating at times, and you want to bang a hole in the wall. Just like you are doing now, men do the same thing. People on both sexes sometimes vent these frustrations extremely. I'm guilty of it at times in moments of anger.

Let's take an example. A girl rejects you. In essence the simplicity of the sentence doesn't explain the intricacies. Men can be right & wrong in this situation.

Let's say this girl was honest, told the guy she wasn't interested straight up. If the guy gets mad at this point, well it's his problem.

However, let's say this girl stringed this guy along. Acted interested, kept talking about going out, then out of nowhere, no call, no nothing. At this point, it shows such a lack of respect and courtesy. No doubt it makes me pretty angry, wasting time to plan it and not even get a cancellation call. You claim it's not to hurt feelings, however that's what the hurt feelings stems from, stringing them along because you weren't honest about when the interested stopped.

The way I see it, there are two sides to the story. Either person could be an asshole or bitch, even tho by nature, they're not.

[Psycho4Bud]

To those who say I'm generalizing. Yeah, I guess I was; but I posted this in the women's forum for a reason.
Do you think you're a God?

It's all cool.....by the way, I'm a mod not a God. LOL

By the way, ever make it into the doc? Hope all is well!!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[slipknotpsycho]

To those who say I'm generalizing. Yeah, I guess I was; but I posted this in the women's forum for a reason.

I obviously am not including the men who treat women right. Don't be ignorant.

If you're a dude and you got mad at this post..you need to think about WHY you're mad. Are you one of those guys I was talking about? Do YOU shit talk your lady behind her back? Do you throw her around, call her names, what's YOUR deal? Do you think you're a God?

I know there are nice guys out there..I think I might have found one today, so I'm a bit more hopeful.

I apologize if I've offended anyone, although I don't know why I would have unless you're a women-basher.

Thanks for all the responses to everyone though, I always appreciate replies.

i didn't get mad <.< i agree men are dicks... i can be a dick too if you push my buttons but i try to stay on the 'good' side the best i can.

[Psycho4Bud]

I was actually thinking that the title shouldn't be MEN and I shouldn't be using the term "men" when I mean BOYS. ^^ Agreed.

Ask and you shall receive........for the lady!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[BabyFacedAbortion]

Aww thanks P4B!

[Staurm]

It's all cool.....by the way, I'm a mod not a God. LOL

There are several Mod's in here actually, it's a mantheist forum.

(and a woomanthist one I better say, sorry not the best pan in the world...)

:stoned:

EDIT: I think "boy" is more fitting, a real "man" doesn't act like a cock and treats women with respect....

[deadfan420]

I hate that fuckin' stereotype that men are the "stronger sex". it's a bunch of bullshit. I've been married for several years now and I can honestly say I wouldn't be where I am if it wasn't for my wife kickin' my lazy ass around to get shit done.

I generally get along with women better than other guys. Why? I don't know. I've always been like that. I think women listen better and they aren't so quick to judge you. They are more sympathetic. A lot of guys really piss me off sometimes.

[happiestmferoutthere]

The worst men in the world usually treat their mothers fine. They can also treat their spouse or partner well, also. What they do the rest of the time, to other people, DOES matter.

Your attachment, "Behind Every Bitch Is A Man Who Made Her That Way" sums up a lot of what I see as the problem. Blaming men for a general nastiness in females is par for the course today.

If anybody is to blame, it's usually the parents because they didn't raise their daughter right. The same is true of boys. Proper training of the young used to be considered necessary. Now, the parents are either too busy, or too ignorant, to do it correctly. Because there have been several generations since society started changing for the worse, behaviors and traditions have gone downhill - and it affects everything.

So how many men -ie- boys have you dated? I've dated a few and I still say men that respect their mothers make good mates. That attatchment was for BFA. It is a womans forum here by the way! I'm married to a great guy. Loves his mom. ITS A FREAKIN JOKE! mellow out.

[Breukelen advocaat]

well i have to say that sometimes girls i no act like they are the superior sex and this bothers me because neither sex is the superior sex we are both equal. (I have heard guys say the same kinds of things as well).
we aren't equal in the same ways of course.

i like to think(correct me if im wrong) that before the world was the way it is now it was the mans job to take care of the women who would then take care of the baby. Now the world is different now, men may take care of the baby while the women has a full time job.

but back to the superior sex, its impossible to compare. men and women are just different, for example men have testosterone and women have estrogen.

Men have testosterone which naturally makes then physically stronger,before technology giving them the upper hand when it would come to hunting and gathering. (im not trying to say women cant be just as strong or even stronger as any man)

and women have estrogen which allows them to carry a baby, healthily have a baby and then take care of it, such as breast feeding.


i hope i have respected every body's feelings with my post and if i sounding as though i was objectifying either sex im sorry

I think that your post made a lot of sense. I'm not sure that I understand what you're saying correctly, but about the only thing that I differ with is the part about women being as strong as any man. They may have as much or better endurance, but the strongest women in the world are not stronger than, or as strong as, the strongest men. Like you mentioned, the testosterone probably the reason.

I've posted this story before, but it applies to this topic.
I remember seeing an incident on a daytime talk show, probably Merv Griffin or Mike Douglas, in the early 70's. The guests included James Caan, who had recently played tough-guy Sonny Corleone in the move The Godfather. Another guest on the show was a female arm-wrestling champion, who was obviously very strong. One of the show's other guests suggested that the woman athlete and James Caan should have an arm-wrestling match right there. Caan didn't want to do it, but the audience was cheering the idea of the match. He relented and they did it. Caan quickly defeated her. At least she was a good sport about it.

[geonagual]

this is stupid..it keep going and going..we are all people on this earth..EVERYONE is equal.

and always stand up for yourself and always fight for your rights as an individual..

but always respect the other sex..cause we do still need each other in some way shape or form.

[BlAzInIt4:20]

^^ thats very true

[BlAzInIt4:20]

Americas society today has lost all respect for each other. But their are some good men on this board and I love you all !!:thumbsup: Iv seen many abusive relationships with males and females being the abusers.. my motto treat others as you want to be treated.. only makes sense.. woman bashing is so utterly stupid come on now, what makes a man anymore worthy then a woman.. in all actual fact the woman are the ones who carry the child, we need each other to reproduce, but without the woman to carry the baby none of us would be here..

[Demeter]

This absolutely should be a place to vent about men- what could be more appropriate to a women's issue's forum? It's better than slapping guys on the street:D jk
But men who don't want to listen to women complain about men probably should visit another forum, okay? I don't even bother to read the junk the boys post in the sexuality forum because the comments are pathetic and P4B said it so well! If I read those posts I'd be as furious as bfa, so I stay away. I don't have the stomach for listening to the locker room baloney.

Not all boys are stupid that way, of course. The cool young guys that are not that way are the ones who should be listened to- but they are ususally in the background, not making a spectacle of themselves!

bfa, I am glad you may have found a nice guy- you deserve it. If he's not, toss him back-

[420marijuana420]

Btw, this was posted in the womens forum but I saw it because it was a recent post over the entire sexuality forum and the title caught my attention.

[Mr. TBAGU 420]

After reading a few threads that began to piss me off, I must vent.

I am extremely tired of the degrading of women..EVERYWHERE! I don't understand why men automatically assume they're the stronger sex. A dick between your legs makes you a better person then me? I don't think so. I've met so many boys and men that just deserve to be SHOT for the things they do and say, especially towards women. I've met bitchy girls as well, but Jesus Christ, at least they can admit they're twats. I'm tired of boys walking around like they have an S on their chest, thinking they're invincible.

A girl flirts, she's a slut. A girl rejects you and she's a bitch? Nice.


Sorry if this doesn't make sense, as usual I'm a bit stoned. Maybe not stoned enough lol!

Well men have a reason for the way they act. Maybe it's because girls most of the time act like they are the fucking shit and own both them and the person they are dating. There are so many guys out there pussy whipped (like my bro) and it's sad to see.

[GraziLovesMary]

Well men have a reason for the way they act. Maybe it's because girls most of the time act like they are the fucking shit and own both them and the person they are dating. There are so many guys out there pussy whipped (like my bro) and it's sad to see.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahaa... . and yes... Im laughing at you and your brother. You are ignorant, and your brother is passive and weak. If he is letting a female bully him around and control his actions, but is staying with her for the sex then thats on him.

And P.S.... theres a difference between a boy and a man. Hopefully one day you will understand that difference. Until that day, you will remain a boy.

[psteve]

Don't you get it? mr. tea bag will never fully understand the dynamics of a male/female relationship, because he's gay. (I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that!) Think about his screen name.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahaa... . and yes... Im laughing at you and your brother. You are ignorant, and your brother is passive and weak. If he is letting a female bully him around and control his actions, but is staying with her for the sex then thats on him.

And P.S.... theres a difference between a boy and a man. Hopefully one day you will understand that difference. Until that day, you will remain a boy.

[xcrispi]

Hey Sis .
Not everything sporting a penis is evil . :D
Quite a few of us are though , even worse is a plyr./ fake = like you said - Cool to your face , but B/S shit talkers behind your back . It might take you a while to sift through all the frogs , but 1 day you'll find a prince . You got a good heart . Don't let all the pricks get you down. :)
Crispi :jointsmile:

[GraziLovesMary]

Don't you get it? mr. tea bag will never fully understand the dynamics of a male/female relationship, because he's gay. (I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that!) Think about his screen name.

lmao thats funny I didnt notice that at first but it makes alot of sense. Too bad hes not one of those gays that understands women :p

[FreeVenice]

Saying men are not the stronger sex is like saying you don't believe in evolution. I'm not trying to be sexist in any way, but just for the plain fact that men have been practically farmed to be mindless soldiers to fill the "provider" role that has been stamped on our heads. I kinda find it annoy when girls get mad that a guy is trying to keep chivalry alive. Find me a woman who loves a man who is worthless, and I'll show you high school sweat hearts. lol good times. . .

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Maybe it's from growing up with a mother and sister who are both strong women, but I've always had nothing but respect for them. I'll never EVER hit a woman, I believe they can intellectually do anything men can do, and physically do most jobs men can do (I mean lets face it, a female officer isn't going to restrain a huge burly Hell's Angle by herself).

And I bloody HATE this double standard with the term "slut". It's thrown around so casually with women that any girl who sleeps with more than one guy in a short time is a slut. Of course if a guy bangs 30 women a week, he's a "ladies man", "lucky", and at worst "disloyal".

[Hardcore Newbie]

Maybe it's from growing up with a mother and sister who are both strong women, but I've always had nothing but respect for them. I'll never EVER hit a woman, I believe they can intellectually do anything men can do, and physically do most jobs men can do (I mean lets face it, a female officer isn't going to restrain a huge burly Hell's Angle by herself).

And I bloody HATE this double standard with the term "slut". It's thrown around so casually with women that any girl who sleeps with more than one guy in a short time is a slut. Of course if a guy bangs 30 women a week, he's a "ladies man", "lucky", and at worst "disloyal".Just a few things I disagree with on your post.

The "never hit a woman" thing is something we have to get rid of. I know a guy who got stabbed by his crazy (now ex) gf 12 times, one of which was in his face and went thru his cheek. He didn't hit her back, he did try to restrain her but he couldn't get the knife away from her until that. He got hit quite a few times afterward until he tackled her and held her to the ground. He didn't hit her because he knew that in court, it'd be very easy to paint a story of "abusive boyfriend". When the cops did arrive, they asked him if he wanted to charge her with assault. He said "of course", but the odd thing is, a guy that abuses a woman is charged automatically by the province, and she can press charges as well. It's one of those double standards that totally suck.

If I was in a situation where a woman hit me, I'd deck her, plain and simple. I'd treat her no differently than a guy with 'little man's syndrome". If that makes me an ass, so be it.

And slut is a nasty term, but I personally don't know anyone that considers a guy who sleeps around with disregard as a good thing. i think society is moving past that. Not that there's anything wrong with casual sex, but I do think it's becoming slightly less stigmatic for girls and moving towards stigmatic for guys.

And who are the people who consider a player a "ladies' man" anyways? Just other ladies' men, no?

[cannabis=freedom]

Heyhey, guys suffer their share of unfair double standards, too.

Women can bash the shit out of men, (as BFA has done), and it's generally accepted. Now, in one of the 100000000 examples of straight white males getting fucked over in today's world, the vice versa of that would not be tolerated.

Also, while I am very against violence, I think guys get a harder time for it. Girls hit their boyfriends all the time and yet no one gives a shit!! And I know what the counter-argument will be, but not all women are 5 feet tall...some that I know are 6 feet tall and pretty damn strong!

[powair]

Not once has a person of the male gender ever insulted me or tried to make me feel inferior based upon my female gender. However, I have seen and heard many disrespectful, hurtful things aimed at men, coming from women. In my opinion, it is men who are quickly becoming the most discriminated against group, and I am sick of hearing about sexism against women. "Sexism" doesn't exist in my world because I refuse to acknowledge or participate in it. If it happens to exist in your world, talking about it and how angry it makes you only perpetuates it.

[powair]

Heyhey, guys suffer their share of unfair double standards, too.

Women can bash the shit out of men, (as BFA has done), and it's generally accepted. Now, in one of the 100000000 examples of straight white males getting fucked over in today's world, the vice versa of that would not be tolerated.

Also, while I am very against violence, I think guys get a harder time for it. Girls hit their boyfriends all the time and yet no one gives a shit!! And I know what the counter-argument will be, but not all women are 5 feet tall...some that I know are 6 feet tall and pretty damn strong!

Agreed! If it is acceptable for a man to defend himself against another man by hitting him, than it is acceptable for a man to defend himself against a woman who is attempting to harm him.

Any woman who thinks a man shouldn't hit her back if she's hitting him is an idiot. 1. Don't hit people in the first place. 2. By claiming that you are a poor weak female who can't handle getting hit by a much stronger man, are you not acknowledging inferiority? At least in one respect?

[IanCurtisWishlist]

i think most men are stupid and they should be beaten and bludgeoned. i think the same goes for most people, penis or vagina regardless u should have the shit kicked out of u if ur a stupid fuck

[slowlickitysplit]

BFA did make a generalization about the entire gender, which isn't fair, it's true. Fortunately there are lots and lots of great men out there. What BFA was responding to, however--and you'll probably better understand her reaction after reading this, 420Marijuana420--was this particular post, including information above and below it.
http://boards.cannabis.com/sexuality/119905-why-do-people-like-treated-like-shit.html#post1479936

Down below, he backpedals and says he was addressing a problem with the direction of mass culture. But in the previous thread, he was specicially identifying what he saw as a problem with women and their lack of "training" by men. You can try and sprinkle sociological sugar on it now, BA, but it still reflects really frightening attitudes, no matter how harmonious you profess your relationships with women are.

When I started reading this thread I said to myself, I'm simply going to post "This is Slow, not saying anything" but uuuugggggg!

Birdgirl, didn't you just say in your previous post that neaderthal behavior in men is usually attributed to the less educated??? Do we men need more training by the liberal, politically correct intelligentsia? Is this not what set BFA off in the first place when A guy said it about women?

so, yeah, this is me trying oh so hard to keep my mouth shut. Only one thing original I want to add..

The people of the world are a rainbow. There are politically correct men and women who love them. There are knuckle draggers and women who love them as well. Then there are the rest of us who simply try to love our women as best we can, for all our faults and all the faults, real or imagined, that we see in them. BFA, you need to find out who you are and what kind of man you can love, then go find him.

- Slow -

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Well I'll clarify on my "never EVER" hit a girl policy, and remove the "EVER". I'll never hit one no matter how mad, I'll restrain one that attacks me, and if that's not possible because she's nuckin' futs, then yes I'll bust out the kung fu:p

[Reefer Rogue]

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[cannabis=freedom]

When I started reading this thread I said to myself, I'm simply going to post "This is Slow, not saying anything" but uuuugggggg!

Birdgirl, didn't you just say in your previous post that neaderthal behavior in men is usually attributed to the less educated??? Do we men need more training by the liberal, politically correct intelligentsia? Is this not what set BFA off in the first place when A guy said it about women?

so, yeah, this is me trying oh so hard to keep my mouth shut. Only one thing original I want to add..

The people of the world are a rainbow. There are politically correct men and women who love them. There are knuckle draggers and women who love them as well. Then there are the rest of us who simply try to love our women as best we can, for all our faults and all the faults, real or imagined, that we see in them. BFA, you need to find out who you are and what kind of man you can love, then go find him.

- Slow -

EXCELLENTLY put! One of the best defences of men will be men that I've heard.

Oh and btw, BFA is pissed off by boys, but she's fine to bang a crackhead loser. I think the original statement loses all credibility with that knowledge.

(Sorry, I just can't tolerate an attack on males in general).

[birdgirl73]

Birdgirl, didn't you just say in your previous post that neaderthal behavior in men is usually attributed to the less educated??? Do we men need more training by the liberal, politically correct intelligentsia? Is this not what set BFA off in the first place when A guy said it about women?
Slow, I swear, more and more I have a hard time believing you when you say you don't smoke. Or that you're a teacher. Whatever point you're trying to make is about as clear as mud in your first two paragraphs, only one of which I will requote above. I can't tell, but I'm pretty sure you've taken what I actually said and run it through the Slowlickity distortion filter, particularly taking into account your disdainful comment about the liberal intelligentsia.

Again, I can't be sure what point you were trying to make in the top part of your angry post. But what I said earlier was fairly simple. I said there lots of educated, evolved men who're able to treat women as equals, both professionally and personally. Take a moment and some deep breaths, take off the anti-feminist filter, and reread my actual words in this post and the one below it. Reread the entire thread, in fact, and take some deep breaths before you react:

http://boards.cannabis.com/womens-is...ml#post1480035

I certainly didn't say "all men" were Neanderthals or that all educated men are not, which, again, was why I chose the word "lots." Goodness knows there are plenty of educated men who cannot regard us as equals, too. There are men of all socioeconomic and education stations who cannot. This is again why I used the word "lots" and thanked my husband for not being among the small-minded idiots of the world.

Domestic abuse/spousal-partner degradation occurs against both men and women, although it is reported 8 times more frequently against women. And while it does occur to a slightly lower degree among people with more education, probably because they have fewer financial woes, those situations cross all socioeconomic boundaries. We serve both abused women and men in the crisis center where I volunteer. And they come from the fanciest neighborhoods to the poorest. As I mentioned in my earlier posts, the attitudes about domestic abuse actually stem from exposure and modeling in families of origin rather than from cultural exposure or outside teaching.

Above all, Slow, you don't seem to have noticed that I spoke against the unfair characterization of all men as unlikable or as bad guys and against the generalization of hating them all based on one loser. I know from being familiar with BFA's history why she herself may have developed that attitude, and she clearly created this post having run it through the filter of her own personal experience and also after having read a post that articulated some offensive attitudes (http://boards.cannabis.com/sexuality...ml#post1479936). She's allowed to express such an opinion if she wants to, offensive as it may be to others, because she's not breaking any forum rules, just as BA wasn't breaking any rules with his comments, either.

These negative generalizations are why Demeter and I and lots of others, men included, stepped in to caution against making sweeping statements against all men. It's interesting to me that far fewer men stepped in to speak against the "training women correctly" comments in the thread that partly motivated BFA's posting this one.

This may be a women's forum, but those of us who know, love, honor and respect men, and we pretty much have to if we're going to be online here, need to help prevent male-bashing when we hear it just like we need to be very keen on the characterizations of women on these boards as "bitches" and "sluts" and as needing to be "properly trained."

Like it or not--and I understand why you would not--this thread came from a young lady who was not only responding to BA's comments, which she correctly saw as insulting to women. But also from someone who has been "bashed" multiple times by her own intimate partner. Actually, I suspect by more than one. We're hoping the self-esteem issues will get better there so she no longer chooses people who treat her that way.

You won't get any argument from me on the last part of what you said. That was understandable and more logical. There are indeed knuckle-draggers and people who love them. Knuckle-draggers of both genders, by the way.

Hardcore Newbie and Cannabis=Freedom, I have some real problems with what you're saying, but I have them because you seemed to be saying that hitting or physical abuse in any direction, female against male or male against female, is justifiable if the other person hits first. It is NOT. People of both genders need to refrain from physical abuse of any kind, and that's the bottom line. (They need to refrain from verbal abuse, too.)

Finally, I want to second what Demeter said. If you guys are going to get your panties in such a twist about comments that women make to each other in a women's forum, particularly under circumstances such as motivated BFA, you might want to stay in the more male-dominated areas of these boards. While you're out there, you might want to work on being just as vigilant about female-bashing comments that are made throughout these boards. They're out there in shameful quantity.

[Quincyboy]

ventings healthy keep at it

[slowlickitysplit]

Slow, I swear, more and more I have a hard time believing you when you say you don't smoke. Or that you're a teacher. Whatever point you're trying to make is about as clear as mud in your first two paragraphs, only one of which I will requote above. I can't tell, but I'm pretty sure you've taken what I actually said and run it through the Slowlickity distortion filter, particularly taking into account your disdainful comment about the liberal intelligentsia.

Again, I can't be sure what point you were trying to make in the top part of your angry post. But what I said earlier was fairly simple. I said there lots of educated, evolved men who're able to treat women as equals, both professionally and personally. Take a moment and some deep breaths, take off the anti-feminist filter, and reread my actual words in this post and the one below it. Reread the entire thread, in fact, and take some deep breaths before you react:

http://boards.cannabis.com/womens-is...ml#post1480035

I certainly didn't say "all men" were Neanderthals or that all educated men are not, which, again, was why I chose the word "lots." Goodness knows there are plenty of educated men who cannot regard us as equals, too. There are men of all socioeconomic and education stations who cannot. This is again why I used the word "lots" and thanked my husband for not being among the small-minded idiots of the world.

Domestic abuse/spousal-partner degradation occurs against both men and women, although it is reported 8 times more frequently against women. And while it does occur to a slightly lower degree among people with more education, probably because they have fewer financial woes, those situations cross all socioeconomic boundaries. We serve both abused women and men in the crisis center where I volunteer. And they come from the fanciest neighborhoods to the poorest. As I mentioned in my earlier posts, the attitudes about domestic abuse actually stem from exposure and modeling in families of origin rather than from cultural exposure or outside teaching.

Above all, Slow, you don't seem to have noticed that I spoke against the unfair characterization of all men as unlikable or as bad guys and against the generalization of hating them all based on one loser. I know from being familiar with BFA's history why she herself may have developed that attitude, and she clearly created this post having run it through the filter of her own personal experience and also after having read a post that articulated some offensive attitudes (http://boards.cannabis.com/sexuality...ml#post1479936). She's allowed to express such an opinion if she wants to, offensive as it may be to others, because she's not breaking any forum rules, just as BA wasn't breaking any rules with his comments, either.

These negative generalizations are why Demeter and I and lots of others, men included, stepped in to caution against making sweeping statements against all men. It's interesting to me that far fewer men stepped in to speak against the "training women correctly" comments in the thread that partly motivated BFA's posting this one.

This may be a women's forum, but those of us who know, love, honor and respect men, and we pretty much have to if we're going to be online here, need to help prevent male-bashing when we hear it just like we need to be very keen on the characterizations of women on these boards as "bitches" and "sluts" and as needing to be "properly trained."

Like it or not--and I understand why you would not--this thread came from a young lady who was not only responding to BA's comments, which she correctly saw as insulting to women. But also from someone who has been "bashed" multiple times by her own intimate partner. Actually, I suspect by more than one. We're hoping the self-esteem issues will get better there so she no longer chooses people who treat her that way.

You won't get any argument from me on the last part of what you said. That was understandable and more logical. There are indeed knuckle-draggers and people who love them. Knuckle-draggers of both genders, by the way.

Hardcore Newbie and Cannabis=Freedom, I have some real problems with what you're saying, but I have them because you seemed to be saying that hitting or physical abuse in any direction, female against male or male against female, is justifiable if the other person hits first. It is NOT. People of both genders need to refrain from physical abuse of any kind, and that's the bottom line. (They need to refrain from verbal abuse, too.)

Finally, I want to second what Demeter said. If you guys are going to get your panties in such a twist about comments that women make to each other in a women's forum, particularly under circumstances such as motivated BFA, you might want to stay in the more male-dominated areas of these boards. While you're out there, you might want to work on being just as vigilant about female-bashing comments that are made throughout these boards. They're out there in shameful quantity.

Wow! A 31 line response to my 2 lines. And, though you attacked me personally, you never really responded to my point which was...

BFA got mad when A guy said women need to be trained. Your response was that Neanderthal behavior in men is found more frequently in the less educated, implying that men need to be trained.

Any chance you might stop trying to belittle the people who disagree with you and start discussing the issues like a big girl?

- Slow -

[birdgirl73]

I didn't attack you personally, but you love to play the much-maligned victim when the going gets rought for you, so it always feels that way to you. I said I didn't believe some of the things you say about yourself because I've seen you misinterpret too written statements here and in the past. I simply told you my doubts about you, stating it as my impression and not taking a "You are an xxxxxxxx" attack approach.Trust me, if I'd attacked you personally, you'd have known it. But I wouldn't have done that.

I did discuss the issues like a big girl, by the way. Since that was a bit of an attack that you made on me, I'll go ahead and say you're the one who's not acting--or reading--like a comprehending adult here.

You yet again missed the entire point of what I was saying, believing I was making an oppositional correllating statement from what Breukelen Advocaat said. Nope. I was responding to BFA, who expressed her dislike of the degredation of women everywhere (a dangerously general sweeping statement, by the way) and after she read BA's women-need-to-be-trained comments. You somehow saw what I said in response to BFA as a directly reversed men-need-to-be-trained version of Breukelen Advocaat's women-need-to-be-trained statement. But, again, I was responding to BFA, not to BA. This is part of why it's clear you're filtering this through your defensiveness.

I didn't say men needed to be trained. Not even remotely. What I actually said were that there were lots of already-educated, evolved men (and there are even plenty of uneducated ones, too, I'm sure) who don't possess such women-need-to-be trained attitudes and who are able to treat women as personal and professional equals and not degrade them. It was very simple. I was saying they're already "trained," as BA so charmingly originally put that, not that they need to be.

This thread is getting us nowhere. And from the comments I'm beginning to get behind the scenes from women, I have the very strong feeling that it's soon about to devolve into a flame-fest, and the last thing we need is for that to happen. I'm going to close this thread to pre-empt any of that trouble before it happens. If you want to be especially safe, Slow, you might want to temporarily disable your reputationometer until ladies have forgotten about this discussion. And Slow, if you're going to find things said on the women's forum so troubling and easy to misinterpret, you may want to stay out of here in the future. Hope you have a good Sunday, Slow!