One Lonely Blueberry

[Weedhound]

So this is my entire crop for now.....just took down some others....but thought I'd throw a pic of her in. Hope she gets enough light in here, lol.

This is a straight blueberry female....she's been doing great. I just turned her 4 days ago (about 4 weeks old I think) and sprayed her first dose of Reverse yesterday....one more in ten days. So far I haven't done anything stupid with her and only have about nine or so more weeks to go....:D

[davejohnwright]

She's a beauty, blueberry has always been a favorite of mine.

[BlAzInIt4:20]

yumm i cant wait to see her buds ..

[JackHerer]

Another beautful budding lady on the way there WH.:thumbsup: She does look a bit lonely playing in the light by herself there. :jointsmile:

[.:Karma:. o.O]

here are a couple piks of my plants i have them under 10 100 watt cfls...i would like any feedback if possible and the are about 1 1/2 feet maybe more away from the lights the 1 on the top is i believe indica and is turning a lil purple on the branches and the other is indica im sure...im going to put them in separate pots as soon as i get pots....:wtf: im not sure on what type of plants they r any suggestions would be good....and you have a nice plant weedhound i envy you...

[PharmaCan]

Hey Hound, your little girl looks pretty lonely - wish I could Email you some nice clones to keep her company.

[xcrispi]

Your getting closer !!!!!!
8.5 oz. now . :D I'da let this poor loaner veg longer if it were me . Just 1 of these will fill that entire space w/ a 1000w all to it's self I bet . Tokudai made comment on how empty my room was at first too . hehehe . The last plant you cut , was it about 3x your average in the past ?

I don't know what to make of the ph deal / hydroton .
I think alot of it is because there was 0 nutes in the water . Mine still drops .6-.7 per day even w/ r/o . I only ph it once a day still and no signs of lok out / def yet . I think once nutes are in the water it shouldn't have such violent chgs so fast . That and try soaking it in ph correct water before begining next time . No clue sis ?
Holler later
Crispi :jointsmile:

[tevnig]

did you make that single plant hydro set up or buy it? and how is it working for you??/ thanks

[Weedhound]

X-C....yes that about is triple what I've gotten....the gooey stuff is everywhere in the house. With this one I'm concerned about the rootbound thing I've been dealing with so was trying to avoid letting it get so big but I'm already lst'ing it. Definitely a different type than the crystal.....this is a very tight, stocky, short plant plus the poor thing is by itself so it's really hard not to pester it in my usual helpful manner. :D

[Weedhound]

Tevnig, that one is part of a kit I bought that includes 8 buckets and central rez.

General Hydroponics WaterFarm (http://www.plantitearth.com/store/product.asp?pid=80&catid=3)

I like my waterfarms as a rule but they do have their drawbacks. If you are good at building I'm sure you can build something that will work for you if you don't want to buy pre-made. ;)

[clayboy]

Just curious, can you start a seed right in the waterfarm?

[Celeste]

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/118654-lesties-adventures-water-works-5.html#post1490923

[Weedhound]

About every 15th try I get a usable pic so I'll put them up as I go. :cool: Here's my blueberry.....doing very well so far. :) No issues as of yet and she seems happy so perhaps I can get through ONE plant of not doing something stupid. I'd love to have that happen since I really seem to be having issues with the hydroton this grow with my seedlings; not only with the ph problems which really seems to have slowed things down (even with adjusting 3-4 times a day) but the other issue I wasn't prepared for was how light the stuff is.....which I thought was wonderful until I spilled one and discovered the stability of them is pretty nil. So my mongrel seedling really took a beating with that unscheduled little jaunt...pretty much ended up on it's side and now looks pretty droopy so I hope it recovers. :( I''ll post a pic of it in about 30 tries or so....

[Weedhound]

but here's a few close-ups of my last plant....nice trichs if I do say so myself but also not a bad camera......just too damn many different choices that I don't understand. More photos as I (hopefully) get my act together. ;)

[alwayssleepdeprived]

Ok let me be the first to say wow, those last 2 pics look incredible. How's the smoke?

I was wonderin how close you were able to get your light, I remember you were takin measures to drop it as low as possible

I pretty much let them grow up to touch the glass before I move my 400 up each time it seems as long as I have a fan across the top of the canopy they don't mind being right next to it I'm sure a 1k puts out way more heat though especially since my bulb is gettin about that time for changin

I gotta figure that berry is gonna explode over the next month I wouldn't be surprised if you pull 10z or more

I'm just about to order the new digital and I'm still on the fence between the 600 and 1k digital by lumatek

The 1k is just a bit better all around but I'm not sure if the height and heat constraints will let me so I've got my fingers crossed that you could get yours like 1 ft away hehe

And I gotta say DAMN! just once more cause those last 2 buds are probably the best I've seen

Great Job WH ttyl

[hempplaya]

Nice looking plants...Weedhound I had trouble with the digital camera we have but found that when putting it on the "Action setting" for taking pics of athletes running or whatever, that eliminated almost all the trouble with blurring. Try that and see how it works :thumbsup:

[clayboy]

that's some serious bud!

[xcrispi]

I see we got the camera troubles worked out .
Looks yummy sis .
Crispi :jointsmile:

[JackHerer]

Awesome trichs on those buds WH. The blueberry looks like she is coming along nicely, have you got her any playmates ready to go in yet?

[orangeman]

Damn that new camera sure does serve you justice haha. And nice buds and plant. I'm gonna have to get a jewelers loupe so I can take nice macros like those.

[hydrocannabis]

daaaammm that is 1 hella nice bluebarry plant.

U sweem to be doing great so far. so keep going.

[Weedhound]

Thanks for the comments you guys and hemp.....thank you for the tip but it has a setting for those close ups called super macro where you have to adjust everything manually.....action is a different setting. It keeps telling me to increase shutter speed but I've changed it to the highest setting and it still says something about increasing iso speed.....there's about nine million different settings on the thing and so far I understand exactly.....three. :stoned:

[TheGreenFog]

Sexy plant....very bushy. :)


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[alwayssleepdeprived]

the iso if I remember right is the shutter operation speed the lower the number I think means the lower the milisecond count so the lower the number the faster the picture will be taken...

I found the best luck with shining a light right on what I wanted to picture and leave the camera on auto and it will choose a fast shudder speed cause it needs less time to absorb enough light to make the picture...the faster the pic is taken the easier it is to avoid blur unless you have a tripod or it's resting on something...

PS My camera that broke needed to be a few inches away before it would start to focus right but most cameras I know need closer to a ft

[horror business]

Yes, as others have said, that blueberry looks fantastic. So do your harvested buds... they look absolutely delicious.

Your threads have inspired me to possibly try DWC with one of my lowryders when the seeds arrive. I've heard of and seen great progress with DWC, and I've heard lowryders do pretty well in them.

Well, best of luck with the rest of your grow!

Peace,
horror business :rasta:

[Markass]

nice close ups weedhound

[Weedhound]

I'm not telling but I'll post a pic after a camera session. :D

Thanks Mark....the camera is cool but a bear to try to understand.

[JackHerer]

Can we expect some new sultry bud shots from a zooooomtastic new camera?:woohoo:

[Weedhound]

Mark did you take the top reflector off yours? I need X-C to check in so I can ask him what he did with his as well.....I think he took his off altogether. The idea is to be able to get the light down (if you look at X-C's photos he's got his cool tube between the plants instead of above them)and that is what I want to accomplish.:cool:

I'm not finding it to be really cooler than my other reflector but that isn't why I bought it so no problems there.....perhaps two or three degrees lower in my grow room so I found that interesting. Just thought I'd throw that useless tidbit in. :D

[Weedhound]

Three guesses and the first two don't count.....:D

[xcrispi]

Your gonna like it .
Those sucker branches / underdev. buds will be a thing of the past now . My lower growth is as far along as the tops because of the cooltubes .

Post a pic. of it . I left the wings on mine and just bent the shit out of em to increase the footprint of the light the 1st grow w/ em . You should see a noticeable dif. w/ like 270 degrees of usable light verses whatever decides to ricorchet around and find it's way out the bottom of the old hood . :thumbsup:

Peace sis.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Yes, there is my question...the reflector inside did you take out, throw away and get a batwing or ? The guy at the store said it would be easy to cut the inside reflector back as well....I was thinking of leaving something like two inches on each side......????

[xcrispi]

Mine had batwings on em ,
No internal reflectors . But I have both tubes bolted to a piece of 1 x 4 aluminum tubing so I'm losing about 4 in. of light from the top being blocked like your talking w/ the internal reflector sorta . I'd try it like it is and see how it works . I've seen 2 dif . types of reflectors inside them too , if you look down the cooltube end for end 1 is bent like a letter C . 2 = like a letter M if this makes sense , which is in yours ?
Are you still gonna use the MH and the old hood for veg. ?
Crispi :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

I've wrapped up my reflector and glass and tucked them safely away....that will be a piece of equipment I will keep for later. As for the mh lighting I must say it really does do what they say it does as far as veg imo....I like the cfls but they certainly aren't the same as the monster mh's so I may go back to it after a few rounds with the smaller cfls....keeping that option open. :) (Keeping all my w/f's too in case...)

I'm already not happy with that reflector...it's shaped like an M inside, lol, I knew exactly what you meant. They said I could cut it down if I wanted but the other option is a batwing like you have. Thought I'd try to cut it first and get a batwing if that doesn't work. I want way more light about two thirds of the way up.....strictly keeping the light off the ceiling; that's it. :cool:

[hydrocannabis]

dammmmmm WH. that looks just great.
so how much do U think UR gunna get in yield.

I bet a whole lot.

[Celeste]

now i'm jealous.....

what's up, you guys don't like me anymore? i just started three thunderfux, and they all sprouted! pix later....

love, lestie

[Weedhound]

Oooo.....I've heard of that one....is it supposed to be a an indica or sativa?

[JackHerer]

Nice coolshade set-up WH. Guess I'm going to be copying you in a few weeks. :)

Is that a proper MF you've got Celeste or one of the sagarmartha strains?

[orangeman]

I'm jealous also lol. I need a cool tube light so I can move my lights closer :(. In the future I might just end up getting a 600w cool tube light because those things seem to work greater than I thought. Nice light WH! Can't wait to see how that plant grows :).

[xcrispi]

I took the batwings off of mine and junked em .
Theres no reclectors on mine now , just the center piece of the batwing which is bent like an M like yours is but mines outside of the tube . Just try trimming the internal reflector if it's possible . Look close at this pic.
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[stinkyattic]

Thunderfuck is an indica. Celeste, what was the source for those seeds? If you got them in Alaska, what region? There's at least 7 known distinct lines of MTF being grown in different areas. I've got a Kenai line and a different one from BlueBear, who had been living in Anchorage, but isn't anymore so ???

Damn, Weedhound and Xcrispi are geeks... :D I love you guys. This is a GREAT thread.

[Weedhound]

So here is an updated photo of my blueberry.....she's doing very well and has not had one stupid thing happen to her yet. Hallelujah!!..(knock on wood)

I also cut the internal reflector back to where I wanted it....the light shines up to about 5 feet high now so I'll see how that works. Two unexpected side effects from the cool tube.....closer to the floor means closer to the bucket and warmer water AND in cutting the reflector has really increased the temp in the little grow area. It has to be just plain radiant heat from the light itself but now the room is actually WARMER than it was even with the other reflector....temp goes up to about 78 within 6 hrs and has to be turned off to let the room temp go down. I'm thinking this will get better when there are a few more plants in the room.

[Weedhound]

The branch it's connected to is also really thick....like a mutation or something. The other pic is one of my normal buds.....seems a little further along than the strange one but it's not nearly as large either. :wtf:

[hydrocannabis]

that first bud looks so cool dude.

[alwayssleepdeprived]

:jointsmile: Things are really moving along with the setup WH. I love the mutated bud...what's up with that line across the top it almost looks like a flytrap that just caught something. Maybe it was gonna split to 2 branches but got messed up so it's like a frankenbranch now :hippy:

I like the idea to get the light in the middle especially since you can get those buckets in a circle and just fan out the branches

My 2nd run through has been going very smooth with one exception...the little bubbler's clone holes were drilled a bit small and the roots grew so fast that most couldn't fit out so I removed em and got a bigger drill haha

only thing I'm not sure of is if having been in 12/12 for over 3 weeks if that will hurt the new clones progress but on the bright side if they pull through I took them from the obvious favorite pretty much every quality is the best of the crop

I can't wait to see you break the 1lb barrier it can't be long now

[xcrispi]

After my current grow we'll have a spare 6in. 630 cfm blower ?
That's why I asked a lil ways back about the M/H hood I know it's for 4 in duct. Give ya a good deal on a 6in. hurricane , then swap out the ductwork for 6in. It'll make a crazy temp dif. from 140-630 cfm. plus the 2 added in. of duct dia .
Holler sis .
Lookin good .
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

You sly mind reader you....I was thinking about going to six inches even right after I bought it....I can see that it would make a big difference in the end. i had NOT thought about using the old hood for veg though, which is an excellent idea as well plus I could use the smaller fan for cooling it also. ......:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

:jointsmile: I love the mutated bud...what's up with that line across the top it almost looks like a flytrap that just caught something. Maybe it was gonna split to 2 branches but got messed up so it's like a frankenbranch now.

My 2nd run through has been going very smooth with one exception...the little bubbler's clone holes were drilled a bit small and the roots grew so fast that most couldn't fit out so I removed em and got a bigger drill hah


Thats EXACTLY what that branch/bud is....like two halves glued together. I can't wait to see what size the bud ends up being.

ASD, we need some new pics of your setup. When? When? God that whole drilling thing sounds AWFULLY familiar. Hope your clones do ok. :)

[mobay]

weedhound u are doing a damn good job on your grow, i also have a hydro unit like that and i want to know how much space do u think u need using the unit. cause i want to do an ak47 grow in mine.

[orangeman]

Damn that's a weird lookin' bud haha. Nice stuff WH.

[Weedhound]

oops...wrong thread

[Markass]

nice plant weedhound:thumbsup:

[PHATTY LUMPKINS]

Good job Bro. the nug's look amazing.:jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Mobay when you say unit are you talking about one waterfarm? Or the group of them with the central resevoir?

[Weedhound]

thanks phatty and Mark for the comments. I have another blueberry plus something called cotton candy (i think) that i'm going to turn pretty soon as well so she will have some company. :)

[Weedhound]

A quick update here. I'm keeping things short (for me :D) because I'm having computer issues (to be resolved on Tues hopefully) so here goes:

1. My large blueberry is doing very well....i will have some photos on Tuesday. :thumbsup:

2. I turned both of my second plants, a BB and a ?cotton candy? yesterday and they both got their first blast of reverse.

3. I started two feminized white rhino seeds which have both popped their skins and hopefully will be ready for setup with a few days.:)

4. I changed out my four inch 170cfm fan for a six inch 440ccfm fan to help with the cooling issues with the new cool tube. While it does indeed do what it is supposed to do (i can touch the tube easily with light on)I'm still having a pretty big problem with radiant heat that I simply was not expecting. While the bulb is the same size as before....the amount of light I am releasing seems to have made a BIG difference. The other thing that seems to be affecting the heat is the mylar.....seems the light bounces off at a higher temp from the mylar than from the cool tube itself. :(

I'm still trying to do different things to lower the temp. i'm hoping it does not come down to my having to remove the mylar but I suppose it may. On the plus side i LOVE the way I can get the light adjusted and use much more of my light than I could with my old reflector. Just the heat issues are causing a problem but they are significant.

[Markass]

white rhino..on my to do list..I hear it's a great strain for pain..I'm looking forward to some updated pics :)

[Weedhound]

Yes I decided to try them for the hubby....they are very strong indica apparently and know for thei "sedative" properties. In the ad they mention it as a sleep aid so we shall see.

Counting down the days Mark......i hear there's going to be some good times when you get there. :thumbsup:

[xcrispi]

Hey Sis. ,
I've heard mylar can do just that esp. in a closed / confined space = hotspots . Reaper has been kind enough to go check out the reflectivity of the shower surround material for us w/ a light meter when he gets a chance ?

I'd do my entire room w/ it if it's atleast = to the flat white paint thats there now .
G/B Guys
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

I know it seems like six of one compared to half dozen of the other.....More light (by a pretty good amount) but no mylar.....I thought that because you don't have any problems with the temps and your cool tubes so i took my little temp gun and ran a bunch of tests. Like I said the closer you are to the tube (and farther from the mylar) the cooler it is. I may go down to just two sides with mylar or something.....not to mention how BLINDING the light is in there now. :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Going to white seems like a very good idea.....and not too expensive....or the shower stuff......I knew you'd know what to do.....:thumbsup:

[xcrispi]

Going to white seems like a very good idea.....and not too expensive....or the shower stuff......I knew you'd know what to do.....:thumbsup:

Reaper said give him a few days n he'll shoot us some numbers as far as reflectivity. He's tucked away out in the sticks by you somewhere and he'll be going to town in a lil . Flat white paint is cheaper - shower stuff is pricey but will last forever I bet .
How many degrees did the surface temp of the glass cooltube drop from tripling the air flow ? Still 4 in ducts ?
Stay cool
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

No I went six inch all the way like you told me too....It's definitely cooler to stand next to the tube instead of the mylar.....you can get within several inches of it and I have a good fan running but the temp coming off the mylar is in the 90's......probably between 80-85 in the air next to the tube.....not bad at all....just BRIGHT!!

Big blueberry is loving it.....the newbies melted over in about ten mins so I've had to pull the light back but even then it gets better coverage so no probs there.....They're stretching toward it today so they want it lower now. it's just the HEAT.....

I think i'll definitely have to make a change in the walls from the mylar with it....I'll see what you guys end up doing and go from there......I may try pulling that portable wall in the meantime and go with two sides of mylar but eventually I'd like to go back to four sides.

[Rock.Steady]

oh, u know i want more pics:D:thumbsup:

those 2 bud pics from a week ago are cool.
that 1st one is,,,,,,,different:wtf:

nice grow.

Rock.

[Weedhound]

I'll have some pics tomorrow Rock...:) I'm using a temp pc these days and it doesn't have my digital camera program on it. Should be able to go back to normal one tomorrow.

I did pull the portable wall and ended up with three sides of mylar which seems to have made a big difference (that and the fact that it's only 95 degrees these days instead of 108) and the plants are much happier with temps seeming to stay stable and I can get the light down closer. Again....photos....manana....;)

[Weedhound]

Pulling the one wall made the difference....temp is very stable today (outside temps...90 ish) so I've put in some photos of the new fan and the plants. The large BB is up to 1500ppm (including supplements) and the others at
1000. I am really starting to LOVE this light. It's got a great angle to get between the leaves and cover about 3/4 of the plant at once. Its GREAT!! :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

My two female white rhinos....they'll go into the setup tomorrow most likely.

Also here's my mutated bud....very thick with the leaves.

[hydrocannabis]

dammmmm. UR blueberry looken better that great. kick ass.

[Celeste]

show off... :p

[spectrum balanced]

shit, I just read this whole thread for the first time. beautiful work WH. :thumbsup:

[KL4D4]

too bad you can't re-vegg that mutated bud and make it into some sort of mutant huh !

[ebsters]

hey just seen your thread, nice log so far, keep us updated!

nice area you have there :-), nice a bushy plant

:thumbsup:

[orangeman]

show off... :p

Show off indeed lol. I wish I was in your situation WH. Nice plants, lights, and seedlings! I really want to see those Rhino's grow! :stoned:

[Weedhound]

You guys make me blush saying such things....I love flattery. :D About 5 more weeks with the blueberry....give or take......:thumbsup:

The new cfl setup for vegging really makes these plants shorter and I'm not at all used to that. My 1kmh made them nice and bushy but taller.

[Rock.Steady]

Dayum Hound.
Nice Work,:thumbsup:

i'd give ya rep, but wont let me.

in the words of the Fog.
"Rep mang!":cool:

Rock.

[TheGreenFog]

Rep, MANG! :cool:

OMG, that room is cool looking. lol. So much room!!! Love the wide angle shot. Your plants are always good looking. DWC is the sheezie...making me jellyous. ;)

Rep+


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[alwayssleepdeprived]

finally got a chance to checkup on here this summer has been keeping me busy but I guess that's a good thing

yer blueberry is coming along nice it's buds are fat for a sativa

I got one of those new tunnel air more fans and found a couple things with the meat thermo I'm using if I have the fan on or off the temp doesn't really change much right under the light, however, the leaves themselves seem to cool off significantly I guess cause they transpire?(sweat) they went from bleaching out back to a deep green once I added the fan and they are even closer to the light than before

The only problem at this point is branches flopping over fromt he high sat influence...I solved the problem by tying a string around all the plants and snugged em up together now they work to hold each other up like a little mj community :stoned:

keep the info coming cause I'm taking notes from you and crispi with all these new techy ideas ttyl

PS I've taken a quick browse around the boards and I notice lots of plant naming going on...coincidence I think not :cool:

[Weedhound]

I think you are right ASD......my blueberry's name is Crispina. :D

ASD....when are you going to start your new log and show us some new photos? :(

Fog.....you rock....as always. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Quick update.....the two WR's went into the setup with straight ph'd water. I have soaked the hydroton this grow......watched and adjusted the ph while I ran the peroxide through and set it up yesterday to run overnight and keep adjusting the ph. Without fail and no matter where....the ph rises. The problem is indeed the hydroton since it was rising like mad during soaking and the only thing with it was ph'd RO water. In fact the only water that has every touched it (as far as I know) is ph'd RO water and H202. When using it, it also rose steadily....like clockwork until I switched to bloom and went to 1000ppms. That helped the stability quite a bit but up until then it was a complete fight. I'm hoping that the addition of Cannazym will help keep it even more stable for longer periods during flowering. :cool:

[alwayssleepdeprived]

ya know WH I bet yer right on the hydroton bein the issue cause I never really pinpointed my ph issue definitively but I'm using most of the same hydroton from the last run and found that it's pretty stable now (just a slow and steady rise early and now in flower it's a steady drop...next time I use new hydroton I'm planning on soaking it for a while...

My PH also seems to drop very slowly during the day (.1 or so) but over night it drops like .3 or .4 I've found setting it just before lights out to 5.6 gives enough buffer zone to keep it above 5.1 by light on

I'm anxious to see yer WR develop, I've heard that is one hell of strain...the most potent I can handle within reason is kush but as my tolerance comes back up the rhino is more and more tempting hehe

PS I'll be startin the new log soon, once some of the new toys are setup and I catch up on the chores list wifey set up for me :rasta:

[Weedhound]

ASD soaking did seem to help but it did not cure the problem. I'm still having to adjust ph several times a day but at this point in time they are only in Ro water and a drop of superthrive.....(I did it....I managed to get one drop in there.....no more....no less.....twice....:D) and this set of seedlings seems to be doing very well (cross fingers..) The rise in ph is less dramatic and slower to occur i think in the soaked hydroton. Tomorrow I'm going to start them on some baby nutes so we'll see what happens with some nutes in the mix. :)

[horror business]

Hey Weedhound, can we see some pics? They always amaze me.

[Weedhound]

Hi HB,

I will take some later today and post them....going to try to get some close-ups of the BB buds. They are just starting to get frosty and lookng nice.;)

[Markass]

Hi HB,

I will take some later today and post them....going to try to get some close-ups of the BB buds. They are just starting to get frosty and lookng nice.;)

I bet those will be some nice pics :) :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

At some point this week Mark i'm going to go back through your BB log.....you kept good records for your grow and it will help me with mine---especially all your good photos. :)

Dude send me an e-mail about your trip. X-C said even the dogs are missing you. :(

[smokedoja]

beautiful buds weedhound! i had a couple of questions, what supplements are you using and do you know of any drawbacks using feminized seeds?

[Weedhound]

Here are some budshots.....I took a million but very few passed the test....ie: not blurry. Hope you guys like them. (5 and 1/2 weeks flower):)Sorry I didn't get them out yesterday but it was kind of a crazy one. :stoned:

Doja,
I llike the botanicare line....Right now the blueberry is on CalMag, Hydroplex, Pro Bloom, Liquid Karma, Sweet and Cannazym (for roots and ph) and RO water.

As far as feminized seeds go I am fairly new at them myself but I asked the same q of my hydro man and he told me other than using the Reverse (Dutch Master) he didn't recommend anything special....just that they are more prone to hermie than perhaps your normal seed. :cool:

Ps....Can never resist a chance to plug my Reverse... :D

Back with more pics in a few. ;)

[Weedhound]

So the little teeny ones are my White Rhinos...they're doing pretty well but the ph got a little out of control yesterday which set them back a touch (first time for this set :thumbsup:) I've taken the ppms to 200 but will probably take it back somewhat as the number is rising so they are drinking the water around it.

The other pic is my blueberry and cotton candy....10 days flower today. BB is on the left.....that strain fights so hard to stay short and stocky that sometimes I wonder if it's growing backward. :D The cotton candy is starting to stretch a little and get some good budsites :) They're currently on 1100ppm and doing well with it.

[Celeste]

very nice girlie :p

i'm going to upload some pix now....

love, lestie

[Weedhound]

Just starting to get trichs.....she certainly taking her sweet time about things. I "pre-emptively" drilled side holes just to avoid the hassle later so no rootbound problems so far and I'm not really expecting any. X-Crispi was quite correct about the lower buds developing much better with the cooltube....at present they are probably 75-80% the size of the top buds already......impressive. :thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

OMFG. thats 1 big ass bush.

[horror business]

...that's beautiful, lol. All the more reason for me to want to try DWC. I can't wait to see her almost finished, that will be a sight.

I always like seeing seedlings, contrary to most people.
Well best of luck, and thanks for taking pics. I'll stay tuned.
Peace,
horror business :rasta:

[orangeman]

Eventually I'm going to be the next one with a cool tube and a hydro grow lol. With plants like those it only makes me want to replicate everything you and Crispi are doing. I want buds like those!

[alwayssleepdeprived]

Looks like that's gonna really fill in over the next 4 weeks it'll probably finish late but I bet it's gonna be over 10 z's...maybe if yer lucky it'll be a pound

I'm expecting a better turnout this time I'm at day 40 of 12/12 I've got them pushed together cause the stems wanted to flop over starting the 6th week

couple little changes to throw in and I'm hoping to get things rollin smooth haha see if I can actually get some clones to live

Here's the latest pic it's the best I could get

[Weedhound]

Looks like that's gonna really fill in over the next 4 weeks it'll probably finish late but I bet it's gonna be over 10 z's...maybe if yer lucky it'll be a pound

I'm expecting a better turnout this time I'm at day 40 of 12/12 I've got them pushed together cause the stems wanted to flop over starting the 6th week

couple little changes to throw in and I'm hoping to get things rollin smooth haha see if I can actually get some clones to live

Here's the latest pic it's the best I could get

ASD....what's up with your clones?

This plant really is a dense short thing and the other one I'm growing is exactly the same so i'm having trouble estimating yield but I sure hope you are right that it is going to be good. She IS a slow ass though, and everything thing is coming along at "time-lapse" speed so she will probably take the full ten weeks to finish. ;)

[alwayssleepdeprived]

not so good haha the clones that had roots growing well were too big to get out of the bubbler so they all perished...I took some clippings of the bottom of the best plant around week 3 or 4 but at that point it was much further along in flower and the clones don't seem to want to grow roots...it looks like 1 of the 4 just started popping out a tiny one from the bottom of the stem

although the seedlings I started all fell over it seems that besides flopping the 90 degrees they look relatively healthy and the stems are pretty stiff...I think cause all these seeds were old and weak the root had a hard time growing around seed itself and most needed help breaking out of the leaf glue or whatever that sheathing is

I'm banking on atleast 1 good mom to make it but either way no real worries it looks like this current yield will last till next harvest *hopes*

you gotta be lovin the new setup...how is the bb filling out budwise? from the picks it looks like you got a bunch of clubs rofl

all the sativas I've tried have lotsa bud sites but the buds themselves end up very tiny once cured

[hayze21]

Nice grow Wh bb is soooooooooooooo sweet............ how long are u going to cure her for??????

[Shovelhandle]

yes, that's a nice looking bush alrighty. Can't wait to see it finish.

Sho

[ebsters]

just read though your log.

:-) nice pictures, nice blueberry bush, keep me updated!

[Weedhound]

Been practicing....I think I need to get a tripod.

[hydrocannabis]

well the 1st one looks killer.

and the 2ed 1 looks good too but its just a little off.

[Weedhound]

I agree....the bottom part came out clear in the second photo but not the top. I'm going to look at tripods.....guess I have shaky old hippie's hands. :D

[Markass]

a tip for taking pics weedhound, try leaning against a wall, or anything inanimate, it will be much easier to steady yourself

[Weedhound]

It's my shaky old alkie hands Mark. Believe me, this old croaker of a body needs more help than a wall LOL!!!!! :S2:

I tried setting the camera on something flat but still screwed things up when pushing the button....it's kind of hard to push and I keep moving it accidently.
There is a setting for continous shooting....just holding the button down it shoots one after another with no stopping and once I figure that one out I'm going to try that next. ;)

[evertking]

Looks good!

[Weedhound]

Afraid so. I'm very unhappy with it's inability to remain at a stable ph in lower ppms. Even with soaking it is simply causing too many issues in that I need to be around CONSTANTLY to adjust it and the plants take a step back everytime it gets too high (which takes about 6 hours). Every morning upon getting up I spend a fair amount of each day helping them recover from rising too much while I sleep and I've just plain had it.

I'll be going back to my higromite rocks although I may try the larger size. My blueberry plant has holes in the lower sides and I really have not had any spilling issues with it so that will probably be what I end up doing next.....HOLES EVERYWHERE!!

PS...Anyone want to buy some hydroton? Cheap? :D

[hydrocannabis]

what do U mean by holes. like holes in the bucket.

[Markass]

PS...Anyone want to buy some hydroton? Cheap? :D

next grow is going to be hydro..:)

[Weedhound]

I'll take a pic hydro and post it so you can see exactly what I mean. i thought it would cause more problems but it hasn't so I think the holes and the higromite will be the way I go in the future. ;)

Mark....sent you an e-mail :)

[Weedhound]

So as I was packing up my hydroton in preparation for throwing it off a cliff I was suddenly struck with an idea. I was having several problems with it....all of them being an offshoot of the same issue, which was unstable ph. I'd given up.....tossed it in.......lost the spark..... but was sad about it because there are several things about the hydroton that I really like such as how light it is and the interesting fact that it seems to repel growing algae much better than my higromite rocks.

The main problem of course was ph. I found I was adjusting it constantly and while I originally thought soaking it helped the problem has gotten WAY worse lately. It was taking 200ppms of ph adjusters to stay within range for six hours and because of having to add large doses of ph adjusters it caused two OTHER problems for me. One seemed to be simply an overdose of adjuster....maybe too much salts? Starting over with a fresh rez didn't help either.....had to add a ton right off the bat just to get it halfway normal and I was having to dilute constantly to keep that number down. It really became a catch 22. The other issue was that I was unable to keep track of how much actual ppm was my nutes and not my ph adjusters since they were BOTH at about 200 but the number changed constantly throughout the day. so the ppm thing was not working AT ALL! :wtf:

SO.....it occurred to me to not use my regular ph up....which is baking soda and use REAL ph up which I hate. It seems to have made a difference (although I used it on my last hydroton batch also and it didn't change things BUT!!!!....I didn't SOAK that batch either) So far the ph has been much more stable.....haven't had to adjust it once in 12 hours which is unheard of. :eek:

Perhaps you have to jump the hoops in a certain order with this stuff so i'll keep checking and see. If I can wrestle the ph probs under control I'd like to stay on the hydroton. We'll see.....:cool:

[alwayssleepdeprived]

I had a horrible time keeping my ph stable with the hydroton till the end of the first run and I just rinsed and reused the same stuff and all my issues were pretty much gone...I'm about to use a new batch of hydroton and I'm planning on ph as necessary shooting for 5.5 and make sure it's stable before using it on helpless seedlings haha

I'll put 4 gallons of water in a 5 gallon bucket at 400ppm maxigrow and keep phing it to 5.5 I'll see how long it takes to level out

Is it just pure baking soda? Brand? I use advanced nutrients pure concentrate and I can't plug it enough...it's the cheapest by far 15 bucks for 32 oz's and lasts the longest(bout a year maybe 2) and I don't think I've noticed any ppm change as a result (just wipe off skin as a heads up unless you've mixed it down it will burn)

how bout showing us you've mastered that new camera :cool:

[Weedhound]

Since I was GOADED into it by ASD :D ASD...Arm and Hammer is the only baking soda I've ever heard of....the ONE and ONLY!!!!! ;)

Well I've had to adjust my ph twice today so far....perhaps it will steady out when evening gets here and the water is a little cooler. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

In the bud photos the big one in front is my mutated bud....."Muty". Pretty huge (but has a double sized stem as well.)

[Weedhound]

The name kind of says it all....

I DO think that I finally understand this plant and how it will end up yielding when all is said and done and I'm thinking its going to be a pretty fair amount. I'm just starting to see the calyxes swell and based on the photos of Mark's grow ALL the buds should be pretty much like that by the end.....assuming everything finishes fine. :)

[TheGreenFog]

I've been meaning to come say :eek: :eek: :eek:

Very nice looking plant you got there, WH. You make me very interested in DWC... Those are sum monsta lobstas! lol

Almost there...now just the long wait for them to finish. Yea, looks like you're gonnna get a hell of a lot off that plant. IF we're making guesses...I'll throw a bud down on the 3.5-4.0 ounces mark. :D I'm probably wrong and it's gonna be more...but that's my conservative guess.

Bummer you're having a problem with pH. I wonder if it really is the hydroton rocks??? I dunno...I mean, they shouldn't be doing that...IMO...but hey, what do I know. Maybe it's the large amt of rockwool that buffers and keeps it steady because I have not seen those problems. Interesting...


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[the image reaper]

have you had any problems, with using Baking Soda to raise pH ? ... I liked it, but then I became concerned it may be building up salts in the soil, etc, so I quit using it ... I like it, and sure hope someone approves, so I can start using it again :D

[Weedhound]

I've always used it Image Reaper and never had a problem but I wouldn't say I need ph up very often or in very large amounts. Part of this issue is that the seedlings are on small amounts of nutes so already the ph isn't so stable. But when you adjust it (and I use a syringe and needle so SMALL amounts) sends 2 points off in the opposite direction and then you go back and forth which is a pita and I believe that's why I'm having salt overload issues. Normally it doesn't take that much either way but I"d say when I mix up a 3 gal batch of nutes a good pinch of baking soda goes in each one right from the start because the ph is always low before I adjust it. So my vote is yes.....but....me and soil.....well......you'd probably want to get some REAL info from someone who can actually grow things in it rather than take my word here.....

Update: Seems to be acting exactly the same now....rising at approximately 0.1 point an hour just like before. That's a shame because I had high hopes for it this time..... hydroton has a lot of good points but I just can't seem to work around this. We are leaving town for a few days and I will probably lose them to ph issues.....I have a friend who will be taking care of the animals but she certainly can't be here four times a day to play with the seedlings.....sigh. I'm bummed but they are only a few weeks in so if I do lose them I'll BIRTH ME SOME MORE RHINOS.....:D ;)

[Weedhound]

And ps IR.....I'll be going back to my baking soda I think as well......:thumbsup:

[WildFire.ca]

have you had any problems, with using Baking Soda to raise pH ? ... I liked it, but then I became concerned it may be building up salts in the soil, etc, so I quit using it ... I like it, and sure hope someone approves, so I can start using it again :D

pH up and down is so cheep and it last for ever. For 10$ you can eliminate this as a concern when to trying to problem solve with your plants. I have used Baking Soda my self, it raises the tds of the water. My plants save me money they don't cost me money. If I don't grow weed I buy weed. In turn I take this money to make better and better plants.

[orangeman]

Damn that is seriously one beautiful plant :wtf:...lovely WH just lovely :)

[xcrispi]

Crispina huh , LOL
That sure is 1 pretty plant , lil white afros are everywhere .
Im glad Fog started throwin numbes around , Im gonna say 11oz. if that ones as dense as what Marc -n- I had done . W/H - what do you thinks there ? In the DWC club thread Latewood had said that 12oz-3/4 lb. bushes are quite common , and the yield numbers are quite respectable . I think your almost there Sis .:thumbsup: w/ a lil bit more veg. time your gonna hit the 1 lb. per plant mark , you watch . :)
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Well that 8.5 one was a lot bigger but I see what you mean about the density.....I just figured that out in a moment of stoned brilliance while staring open-mouthed at it yesterday. The blueberry nugs seem more "solid" than the crystal ones which were more light and fluffy. These feel hard already and there is still a couple weeks to go. ;)

I'm afraid to say a number....I'm just not used to the shortness of the very indica influence of this plant. I'm going to make a guess of four or five but give me till the next grow to start estimating because there are several things here that are new to me.....the plant being by itself (for the most part) how dense it is, and the cool tube which I really feel has made a large difference here, especially to the lower and inner part of the plant. :thumbsup:

My yields are definitely getting better and I really feel I owe most of that to X-Crispi and his many hints, tips and help, supplies etc.....if he did any more of the work for me he'd have to live here. :)

[xcrispi]

No way Sis.
Thats what friends are for . :thumbsup: When we did 3 blueberry n 1 cottoncandy we sat -n- guessed at yields while manicuring . I was kinda disheartened w/ no forearm sized nugs / colas but the BB has got to be the densest plant I've ever grown . We guessed 5-6 oz. each and they were 10 - 10 - 11 oz each . Your gonna be suprised ;)
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

You aren't joking and now I see what ASD meant about "little clubs" :eek: They are solid as little rocks already. The two new ones are doing well but you can really see the difference between them....short stout BB and the cotton candy is doing the stretchy thing and bushing up. Because of the cool tube it's no problem to adjust everyone around the light accordingly despite the difference in sizes and they all receive max lighting right from the start of flower. :thumbsup:

I tried topping them my old way this time and have come to the conculsion that with something short and dense like the BB it was easier to start working with when topped early. We'll see if it makes a difference later on or not. I didnt really find any other improvement over X-C's way however so will probably top my rhinos the way he does. ;)

The first photo is the blueberry.....she's lost a fair amount of her older leaves to the ph issues I was having in veg (which seem to be flat out gone in bloom....and I'm using my soda, lol :cool:)...they are right about BB being sensitive when young. The cotton candy got through childhood better (2nd photo) but they both came back well in bloom. :)

[Weedhound]

I COMPLETELY missed ASD's statement about his expirement....is that age or weed......or both?

ASD....yes...please PLEASE let us know how long the soaking takes and I'll do the same on my next grow. I really do like my hydroton and don't want to lose it.

I was thinking of doing something along that line with it next grow....like soak for several days but your idea is better. :thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

hey WH. that BB plant. OMFG OMFG OMFG. that is huge like a mofo.

great job. and great job on the rest of em also.

[alwayssleepdeprived]

Talk about coming a long way WH...I just saw the new pic of the bb and it's really swelling up...how many times did you top to get that many shoots so close together it's crazy :jointsmile: even with topping I've never had that kinda success

How's the root situation doin with all that available light? hope they aren't fillin the farms too quick

I'm slowly making progress on the setup, the biggest success so far is the wiring...with all the horror stories I was starting to get nervous while reading up but it was rather straight forward...made sure the power was off and just followed the diagrams haha *knocks on wood* so far everything is goin fine

Beautiful work as usual WH I'm still excited to see the CC come along never tried that one

[Weedhound]

One of the pics shows them all starting to thicken up and seperate as all their own little nuggets as opposed to one big cola. That's what I finally figured out would happen but now I have the feeling they'll get even bigger than I am guessing. :eek:

The other plants are all doing well....the cotton candy has really gone nuts and the white rhinos did great while I was gone.....hmmmm.....BUT I'll say I did dump a bunch of supplements onto the rhinos just to try to raise the ppms and keep the ph stable while I was gone.....which seemed to have worked and they snarfed up all the supplements as well. :)

ASD, I only topped that plant once; at about 10 inches or something; waitied a week and then turned it. The rest of it Crispina did all by herself. :thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

wow hound, those plants look SUPER!!!:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

IRL these buds look more orange than purplish....I wonder if the camera has captured the truer color (taken with HPS off) but small light is so crappy I can't tell the real color of the buds so I'll leave it up to the viewer to decide which is real and which is Memorex. :eek:

[Weedhound]

A quick note.....changed my seedlings yesterday and the ppms are up to 700. The ph seems to have stabilized FINALLY! :yippee::woohoo:

[xcrispi]

The pics are awsome Sis . - There's a lil Subcool hidden in all of us :D
Your seeing what I was whinning about way back in the DWC club thead = No forearm sized colas , but thumb sized super dense nugs everywhere you look . :thumbsup:
No huge colas = Jedi mind tricks w/ us - atleast it sure tricked me into thinking it would affect the yield adversly . The Blueberry at almost 10 weeks has been the most couck-lok strain I've ever done . Just drool -n- get absolutely nothing done . :) Mr. Weedhound is gonna get some good sleep because of this stuff .
Later Sis.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[oliwog]

hey man i got some blueberry on tha go at the moment to along with strawberry cough there in bout 2 an half weeks flower now an lookin good il post a grow log later on when the buds get fatter an theres somethin good to show ya

[Markass]

looking really great weedhound

[Weedhound]

Thanks Mark. :) I grabbed a bud and looked at the trichs this am....all still clear and just barely starting to turn cloudy. I think I will start flushing at the end of this coming week.

Mark now that your buds are cured do they look purple or blueish at all?

[Weedhound]

hey man i got some blueberry on tha go at the moment to along with strawberry cough there in bout 2 an half weeks flower now an lookin good il post a grow log later on when the buds get fatter an theres somethin good to show ya


Yes start a grow log because everyone LOVES to see photos..;)

[horror business]

Can we see pictures of your seedlings?

[stinkyattic]

Well Weedhound, that blueberry shouldn't be lonely- thing is burly enough to keep itself company just fine. She looks excellent. Looks like you are within a week of harvest too!

[the image reaper]

well, it looks like I'm gonna be ashamed to post photos of my own pitiful, little plants, anytime soon :weedpoke: ... you have done beautiful work there, WOW ! ... I'm not giving up, I'm gonna catch up to you 'greenthumbs' someday ... :thumbsup:

[Markass]

Thanks Mark. :) I grabbed a bud and looked at the trichs this am....all still clear and just barely starting to turn cloudy. I think I will start flushing at the end of this coming week.

Mark now that your buds are cured do they look purple or blueish at all?

certain parts of one plant had started to turn purple near the end when I started having bad problems with them...some you can see a sorta blue hue, but would be much more had I not ran into shit..really good indica buzz with ambers though, I love it

[Weedhound]

Here's the rhinos. They have perked up quite a bit since the ph has become more stable. 19 days today. I just started using the VHO on them. I'm going to give the hydroton one more go with the next set of seedlings and just make sure to soak the living shit out of it forever before I start. Probably will try some more of my MK-x seeds this time......decisions, decisions.:D

Mark, I am starting to see some really dark, almost like purple black colored hues here and there.......you can REALLY see it when you take photos....not just of the pistils but the actual leaves and bud themselves.

Reaper.....it's you guys that dig a hole, stick a seed in it and then grow a nice plant IN THE DIRT that scare me. I can't do it to save my life. If I have my little hydro numbers I'm good but that's it. :wtf:

Stinky, you really think another week? I was thinking more like two and wasn't going to start flushing until this weekend. :eek:

[horror business]

I really want a water farm after seeing all these amazing results that you, and others using DWC are getting. I'm still somewhat afraid of messing up something, as I've never done hydroponics before, so I would plan on getting GH Floranova Grow and Bloom, as to minimize the possibility of messing up and killing them :wtf:.

I'm looking at the single water farm kit. I'm wondering weedhound, how often do you change your reservoir? I plan on getting one of those heaters, to keep the reservoir temperature at a constant temperature for EXPLOSIVE growth :rasta: lol.

So, would you recommend starting the seeds in the water farm, as long as I keep the hydroton wet? I normally germinate in peat pellets, but I've read it will eventually get into your reservoir and potentially cause problems if you transplant them into a hydro system. Sorry for all the questions, I'm completely new to hydro, but very fascinated by all these mind blowing results. And I want to get the best out of autoflowering varieties and I heard hydro is the way to go for that.

[Weedhound]

Actually HB I found the botanicare line to be more easy and convenient than the GH series but that's only my personal opinion. The less things I have to mix and measure the better and botanicare puts everything in one bottle ready to go.

I change my res every day really.....at least I recirculate to new stuff daily and I think it helps the plants grow better and definitely helps with the ph issues. I change the entire rez about once a week but top off with fresh stuff in the meantime. When the plants get to that size they'll snuffle up a gallon a day or so.

You can buy the waterfarm or you can make one pretty easily....X-C made those big 5 gallon ones to grow his 19oz trees in and a friend of mine made hers with some five gallon buckets as well.

I honestly don't know anything about peat pots....I germinate my seeds in rapid rooters and then just stick the enitre RR in the setup once I see a taproot coming out the bottom. I'm told you your plant must have some sort of root system to go into the waterfarm so you'll need to germ them in something else. I like the rr's because trying to plant a teeeeeeny little seedlings in those hydroton rocks without damaging anything is pretty damn impossible to me and I can just pop the entire rr in without hurting anything.

I love hydro growing personally and would be lost without it. I really feel that if you follow the directions exactly and start with some good seeds you WILL grow some nice plants. Soil has so many unknowns and guesses......makes me crazy. Hydro's not that way at all imo.

[horror business]

Well, I really want to get the single unit Water Farm before I shell out the money for the 8 unit with main reservoir one. I want to make sure I enjoy it, etc...

I buy spring water by the gallon, as my PH is quite alkaline and hard, so would this be how I would go about doing things?: Fill the reservoir with 4 gallons of spring water, and then mix in the nutrients for whatever stage of growth they are in? And then, each week dump it out, and do the same thing again? Because if that's all there is to it, it seems much easier than soil. Of course I would buy a pH meter and pH + and - just in case the pH is off. It says it comes with hydroponics nutrients. Does it come with the Flora line?

The GH FloraNova is also just one part, like the Botanicare line you mentioned. I'm debating between GH FloraNova and Botanicare Pro. I also don't like mixing a lot of things, especially since I'll be new to hydroponics.

But one thing that scares me, is it seems to me that a lot of people initially run into some sort of problem with pH, or I'll notice them adding things such as calcium and magnesium because their plants have deficiencies. So, in all reality, will I definitely need more than my nutrients in order for my plants to go from seed to harvest in the water farm?

I'm also wondering what you're opinion on planting 4 Master Lows in the water farm. The only thing I'm worried about, is the fact that autoflowering plants (and all plants apparently, lol) thrive in the water farm. I could see planting 4 master lows in a 4 gallon pot of soil, but I'm wondering if their roots would just go crazy, and somehow die. Perhaps 2 Master Lows?

[Weedhound]

Hmmm....I'm not too familiar with the autoflowering strains but my friend used a five gallon bucket waterfarm (the ones you buy are 2 and 1/2 gallon) and I'd say you could put 4 good plants in there if you were't worried about roots growing together...four per the larger waterfarm that is.. probably 2 for the smaller storebought kind.

The ph issues usually stem from your water....you'll need to get that part right before or you'll go mad. Everything in hydro goes back to ph.

Let me dig up some threads on that stuff.....I can think of some good ones about DWC and ph issues.

[Weedhound]

This one about water and ph is excellent. I didn't know that GH even had a one part....i'm sure that will work more than fine for you. Also think about what medium you want to use.....have you read all my sobbing on my hydroton issues?

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/116304-another-ph-question.html

[Weedhound]

Here's another one on DWC....this is a great thread and will answer any questions you have about it.

http://boards.cannabis.com/91976-water-farm-dwc-club.html

The ph thread talks alot about RO and distilled water which is something to give serious thought to in hydro so study up on that. If you do go with one of those you'll need to use CalMag+ to replace lost minerals etc in your water to prevent defs. This is where (imo) people start veering off from what they are told. Allow me to PONTIFICATE :jointsmile: once more....if you do exactly what you are told...which may be buy this or use that for instance....so sometimes hydro can get expensive.....more so than soil I think; especially when you first start. Once you get things going it gets better and cheaper. But if you are willing to bite the bullet at first and commit the results are excellent :thumbsup:

[horror business]

Thank you for those links, the DWC club link didn't work, but I searched for it and found it. I'll be studying those for the next few hours, lol.
Peace,
:rasta:

[Weedhound]

Np HB. ;) Just don't ask me stuff about building parts etc....I'll buy it first. :D

Well snipped off another bud and trich are all still clear....maybe 5-10% cloudy so I'm going to stick with starting flushing on friday. That tends to slow things down somewhat as well.

PS...The bud is absolutely CRAMMED with trichs...the damn things are just growing on top of each other almost. .I'll try to get a photo but seriously they are hard to see without the scope....just don't seem to show up as well as they did on the crystal....but they are definitely there. :thumbsup:

[horror business]

Let's see some day 47 pics of the entire plant ;)!

[Weedhound]

Hb....one thing I forgot to say that you had mentioned....with a waterfarm I don't think you will need a heater.....if anything perhaps a chiller. When they sit on the floor like they do the water will usually go to within a few degrees of your room temp so that's one of the reasons you want to try to keep your room temp down. I see many more issues with water that is too warm than being too cold. Some other cud to chew on.....PS....I don't use either but try to keep my room below 74 degrees.....the water usually ends up a little below 70. ;)

[horror business]

With a regular indica strain, how much do you think a maximum yield would be using a 250 watt hps? Also, would you recommend a 250 watt MH compared to CFLs for vegetative growth in order to get the maximum yield?

[Weedhound]

Well before I used my cfls I used a 1kwmh and I think there was a pretty good difference but I'm not sure about the 250watt...I've never tried it. The mh bulbs also run somewhat hotter than hps so keep that in mind. ;)

[horror business]

This may be a stupid question, but I just recently noticed that the WaterFarm has a drip ring and I don't know why. I was under the impression that the WaterFarm was a DWC system, in that there would be an airstone in the bottom that would bubble and splash the roots to hydrate it, not a drip ring which is a drip system. Can you clear this up for me?

[Weedhound]

Sure.....alot of people call waterfarm DWC but they ARE drip systems. There is no airstone in the bottm of these although you could probably stick one in if you wanted to....would only help. After the plant gets to a certain size with a bunch of roots it does seem to become a DWC....the roots sit in the water constantly so they must be drawing nutes and water up.

i've never tried the true DWC.....started with the w/f's and have stuck with them. The only problems I've had is clogged drip rings so you have watch those and rinse them out every once in awhile (more when the plant gets older....like every few days) ....otherwise I don't think there's much difference.

[horror business]

I found this that convinced me to use an airstone if I get the water farm. I'm thinking of building my own DWC bubbler if I can find 5 gallon buckets, as I found lids with 10" net pots built in at the hydro store.

Anyway here's this link, to show the difference between the waterfarm with and without the airstone. Pimp My WaterFarm - The Garden's Cure (http://www.gardenscure.com/420/hydroponics/93176-pimp-my-waterfarm.html)

[orangeman]

Well before I used my cfls I used a 1kwmh and I think there was a pretty good difference but I'm not sure about the 250watt...I've never tried it. The mh bulbs also run somewhat hotter than hps so keep that in mind. ;)

Do you think cfl's would be fine to grow out clones in their vegging period? I plan on taking 4 clones from my plant next time around and veg them until I decide to flower with 100w CFL's. 6400 lumen's. Will that be enough?

[Rock.Steady]

O-man,
clones n CFLs is a GO.

i'm in week 4 clone-ville, took em just b4 flowering.
had issue with goo where roots shoulda spawned.

but they been under 15w cfls about 6-8 inches away on 18-6 and are coming back VERY WELL!:D

this pic is about a week ago, they r better now, and i am transplanting this weekend!
da-clones (http://gallery.cannabis.com/data/500/P1010032.JPG)

[Weedhound]

Oman I agree with Rock....they will do you fine and you are getting this info from a guy who has 12 OF THEM!! (hee hee:D). All lighting has its own problems but Im using cfls for my seedlings and they're doing very well on them so I don't think you'll have a problem there.

HB....I could be mistaken but I thought X-C had airstones in the bottom of his as well. Maybe THATS how HE'S GETTING OVER A POUND OFF ONE PLANT......we shall have to investigate this further and perhaps make changes. :wtf: I will check out this thread...thanks. ;)

Here is the blueberry and today I start flushing. It seems to be suddenly going faster than I thought.....(it heard Stinky dictate the timtable :)) so start flushing today and then just wait and see. i'm still afraid to guess the yield but X-C is right that it will be good.....tons of solid little thumb sized rocks just like he said.

Close up taken with tripod....big diff eh? Really IS starting to turn purple but just looks dark if you glance at it. Needs the photos to really show off it's pretty color. :thumbsup:

[xcrispi]

Looks so yummy , trichs stacked on top of trichs . :thumbsup:
The last 2 hydro plants I did seemd to like drip and dwc simutainously . :D
My next garden will be 4 - 5 gal. buckets , using the 325 gph 4-port g/h supplied air pump just to run the 4 driprings . I just got a new Sunleaves 950 gph industrial quality airpump to drive the 4 airstones -1 in each 5 gal. bucket using the hockey puck style airstones Deftdrummer is currently using . = almost 3 times the air to each stone compared to last grow . Hopefully the girls will be even happier .
Peace Sis.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

My second blueberry is just having a terrible time. :(I believe it's hot spots due to mylar issues because you can see that the cotton candy right next to it is doing fine. I've moved this plant to several different locations to try to avoid the hot spots but can't seem to do anything really helpful for it besides pull the light back (which affects the others)

As you can see in the one photo I've simply pulled the mylar from that section of the wall and I will see what happens. My next step would (or will) probably be flat white paint or something along that line. I'm not happy with how much this plant has been affected but what can you do? :wtf:

[Weedhound]

Im very happy with the way these guys are doing. I may let them veg longer (as X-C suggested) to try and improve yield. Haven't topped them yet either. Ppms are up to 800 (including supplements) and the ph has become MUCH more stable....not quite normal like bloom but close. :thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

..............I've moved this plant to several different locations to try to avoid the hot spots but can't seem to do anything really helpful for it besides pull the light back (which affects the others).............. :wtf:

suggestion-
if its not too big a project???
what if u were to put all the others on an elevated platform and leave the sensitive one down lower>
theoretically this would solve he 'distance to light' issues for the whole gang, right???

maybe i'm just nutz???:wtf:

Rock

[Weedhound]

It's not a bad idea at all Rock but i'm afraid it won't work for the waterfarms.....the entire setup is based on gravity. Everything in the setup must be level or they won't fill or stayed filled right. Sowwy.....nice try though. :(

[Weedhound]

Looks so yummy , trichs stacked on top of trichs . :thumbsup:
The last 2 hydro plants I did seemd to like drip and dwc simutainously . :D
My next garden will be 4 - 5 gal. buckets , using the 325 gph 4-port g/h supplied air pump just to run the 4 driprings . I just got a new Sunleaves 950 gph industrial quality airpump to drive the 4 airstones -1 in each 5 gal. bucket using the hockey puck style airstones Deftdrummer is currently using . = almost 3 times the air to each stone compared to last grow . Hopefully the girls will be even happier .
Peace Sis.
Crispi :jointsmile:

AHA! THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS...:eek: :mad:....they are always one step ahead of you. X-C where did you put airline....next to the dripring in the tubing?

[horror business]

In one of the threads I read, the guy had problems putting the airline next to the dripring airline, I think with roots getting caught up or something. He warned against others doing the same thing and recommended just putting the air line through the drain tube, and then making a new line on the drain tube, to show when it's full. Another method is to simply put it through the media although with that method I predict a hassle whenever removing the growing chamber.

I'm trying to decide whether I should build a custom DWC bubbler, which will run me about $70 for everything including nutrients and the GH pH test kit with pH up and down as well as a testing nsolution. Or, get the water farm and modify it to a DWC system.

I'm wondering, if you modify it to be a DWC bubbler as well, once the roots are in the water, can you do away with the drip ring?

[alwayssleepdeprived]

WH I thought yer farm had bubbles...I think having airstones helps I added one to my res halfway through my first run...I don't think ya need a huge air flow either to do the job I use a 10-30 gallon fishtank airpump that's only 3 watts my 20-25 gallon res units and that bubble cloner...the airstones diffuse the oxygen in the water so the pump sprays a half oxygen have nute solution mixture

ok so the hydroton test is done and the youngins are in...basically with 4 gallons of tap at 150 ppm the water would rise 1 point each day from 5-6 for about 3 days and a little the next 2 days I recently ran water over the net pots showering the hydroton for a while before puttin it in the tank and that seemed to seriously reduce the ph issue while eliminating soak time

crispi's on to somethin with lettin em get bigger too I'm a believer

air ventilation improvements have helped growth :jointsmile: the recent heat forced me to vent through the new light and out the room...it goes filter to light to fan out of the room the light itself both frame and glass run cool to the touch closest I can get it now is 1/2 a foot

not sure how much more I'm gonna get this time but it definately looks much better

you startin to see color change on the girls yet WH?

PS horror business a 250 hps if run hydro for like 10 weeks flower should get ya bout 4z's if the setup is ideal but even with some problems you'd def break an ounce

[Weedhound]

I think you could do away with if you wanted..especially as the plant gets farther along it's got a bunch of stored nutes etc that it can use......and probably should before you harvest so why not? You really scowl on those drip rings, don't you HB?

Another thought....he doesn't lift his buckets up and down.....I do so there is something to think about as well.....good point HB.

[Weedhound]

ASD.....PICS!!

[horror business]

Yeah, the drip system seems like too much of a hassle for me in the beginning stages with spraying everywhere and what not. Also, I think since I mainly wanted a DWC bubbler, getting the water farm would not be ideal for me because of the large growing chamber intended for the drip system. In my opinion that would just add time until I can take advantage of my DWC modifications. So I think I'm just going to build my own using a 5 gallon black bucket and a lid that has a built in 6" net pot. Do you think that would suit my needs for DWC?

[alwayssleepdeprived]

I love my aero setup the growth is really fast and no clogged sprayers yet, all in all though a tweaked system is gonna perform pretty similar regardless of type

horror have you looked at crispis bucket pics? rofl I think it might suit yer needs

I'll get some pics soon I'm almost done with the major upgrades

[Weedhound]

Lol.....asd...that does seem like it would suit just about ANYONE'S needs doesn't it? :D

HB...you know who just built something like that is lestie.....let me find her thread. She built everything from scratch and is growing some wonderful ganja in hers....hers is straight DWC as well.

One thing I'm not sure of.....with DWC I don't know when you would put the seedlings in the sytem since there is not constant water dripping like the w/f to keep the roots wet....you may have to wait longer until you can place them in the system.....I'm just not sure.

Here's her thread....don't know if you've checked it out or not.
http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/118654-lesties-adventures-water-works.html

[horror business]

Yeah, I love that thread, she's growing some huge plants with that! The only thing is, is I'd prefer to have buckets instead of a tub. Otherwise I would build something like that. Yeah that's what I was wondering about to, when to put the seedlings in the farm? That's why I'm still somewhat considering the waterfarm for the drip aspect for when their seedlings, and then switching to straight up DWC in the water farm...

[Weedhound]

Well a quick update here....the blueberry took a pretty hard hit the other day and while the bottom of the plant looks fine the top is fairly scorched......interestingly......except the buds themselves which look quite happy so I'm going to leave everything the way it is for now. I'm somewhat afraid of hermis despite my reverse.....I'm sure the stuff has a limit somewhere but I'd rather not found out what it is since I know the blueberry is prone to it anyway.

Just have to watch and see. ;)

[horror business]

The second blueberry or the main one? Hopefully it won't hermie and if it does not too bad...

[Weedhound]

Good god no HB....not my main one or you'd be seeing some real tears here...my younger one....heat and mylar issues...if it does hermie I'll remove it so it doesn't pollinate anything. It's only 3 and 1/2 weeks in flower so a long way to go for it yet.

Big crispina's crusting up great. :thumbsup:

[horror business]

Well that's good to hear. So how long do you predict until harvest?

[Weedhound]

I'm thinking perhaps a week. ....probably nine weeks total. The trichs are just starting to turn cloudy... ;)

[Rock.Steady]

hey Hound, been poppin in here and readin, and, well,,,
i know u got this thing goin real well, but the mylar.

according to alot of my readin, seems a fair majority claim the flat white has high reflection without the hot spots u are gettin.

whats the big fascination with the mylar?
just wonderin, why not simple, flat white?

Rock.

ps-been doin some HID research:wtf:;)

[Weedhound]

Mostly because I'd have to get up off my lazy butt and put it up that's why LOL. :D I'm going to buy some flat white paint this week and do it....i feel so bad for my blueberry.....all wilted over. :(

On the other hand the cotton candy is really blooming great.....i believe this is the strain that X-C got 17 ozs off of 1 plant if I'm not mistaken. :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

ps-been doin some HID research:wtf:;)

I can ALREADY see this one taking shape.....anyone with 12 cfls....:D

it's gonna be good......:thumbsup: (like the room....i can just feel it)

[Weedhound]

Jeez.....what's that about? Maybe I should grow these and sell them as pest strips....:D

[horror business]

Well in Switzerland they sell buds sealed in pillows for aromatherapy. Obviously people rip them open and smoke them, lol, but I actually could see people going to the store to buy "fly trappers" and then simply smoking themselves, if it were legal to do so.

[Weedhound]

They'd be pretty expensive fly traps though, wouldn't they? And I have a funny feeling people might do it even if it were NOT legal, lol.

So I've gone to flat white. Got one coat on.....going to wait until I harvest the blueberry to put the second coat down. We shall see if it makes a difference with hot spots and general heat.

[Rock.Steady]

Nice:thumbsup:

those girls look happy:D

Jah Love:rastasmoke:

Rock.:cool:

[ebsters]

yes they do look happy.

alot happer than mine :-)

[Weedhound]

Ebsters one of mine suffered some heat stress too.....in fact it looks ALOT like yours minus the yellow leaves. It's a learn as you go thing and imo each time you come up against something (heat, your lighting, mg def) that's a piece of information you have up your sleeve for the next grow.....and to help the next noob with. :) Every mistake you make now is one you won't do later. ;)

[ebsters]

:-) my yellow leaves are goin away :thumbsup:

but they are just going to be turning yellow again in another 2 weeks or so lol. But thats a good thing.

I am new to the whole indoor thing, i've always done my stuff outdoors. Oh but i am learning, new to the whole adding nutes.... cause before they just grew in the ground and had plenty of everything.

[Weedhound]

For the blueberry.....she's a'comin' down. :eek:

I have just put in two new female seeds to germinate....a Master Kush and another Cotton Candy.....I'm starting to become quite the fan of that one----just a nice and pretty plant. :)

I topped the rhinos two days ago so they will be going in the setup when the seeds have popped.

Ebsters I've never been good at growing things outside...i do much better indoors. :D

[alwayssleepdeprived]

awww yeah here come the rhinos...and master kush is mmm hope you didn't have plans other than the couch haha

I hope you get 12 z's from her WH good luck!

[horror business]

I bet you've been busy harvesting today right WH? Can't wait to see pics. So how much do you estimate you've yielded?
Can't wait to see that Master Kush start budding!

[Weedhound]

Crispina is in pieces. NICE GANJA PIECES. :thumbsup: Took about 5 hours to trim up and hang. Please don't even ask me to guess the yield....just glancing I'd say five or six oz but the buds are amazingly dense.....much more so than anything I've grown before.

I'm starting to understand and appreciate the difference in these strains and what they do, how they grow etc....This plant seemed so different from my crystal.....the size, the type of resin, on and on. Now that I've gotten through a grow without doing anything stupid to the plant and having to play defense I think I am starting to get a glimmer of what X-C meant about the love of it. I've never had that with growing before but it's really very cool. :)

The rhinos have moved to the bloom room and I will start them their own thread. I strongly considered not doing a grow log on them.....I don't know that we're all honestly that exciting but I'll start and see if you guys like it. ;)

[jaGerbom]

awesome grow WH....i cant wait until i get in to growing so i can tryout BB.

[Weedhound]

thanks ja. ;)

I love growing but am terrible with soil so can only get things done in hydro. It's definitely the way to go imo (growing....not necessarily hydro) and very rewarding not only in the yield and $$$ saved but just the whole process. I'm sure you'll love it once you start . :thumbsup:

[jaGerbom]

oh yeah i know i will love it. i already love growing and ive never grown(except for a 4 inch plant in a red cup that was just for shits and giggles). one of my favorite things to do on the internet is look through grow logs or grow guides. I planned on using soil for my first grows, and then get in to hydroponics. Eventualy i want to try to use a bubbler system. Where an air bubble comes up and splashes nutrients and water on the roots. Seems like a very interesting method. Oh and i've always thought SOG and ScrOG would be cool things to try out.

[Weedhound]

Well if you can grow in soil you're pretty well set even if you never do go hydro.....I kill things in soil faster than you can blink. Its really sad so I admire those (and by those I mean....everyone) who can grow things in soil. :thumbsup:

There's also the fun of using your own product as opposed to the whole buying fiasco....that alone is worth the work imo. ;)

[Markass]

nice buds weedhound...I bet that stuff will have a great buzz to it..

[Weedhound]

:)It does.....good body stone and grabs you on the first hit.....you definitely feel it right away. Can't comment on taste at this point because it's too uncured as of yet but i'm already very happy with it.:thumbsup:

Final tally.....161 gms.....5.7 oz....which was about what I thought. It dried more lightweight then I figured as well BUT....burns very slowly due to its dense nature so you DO definitely get more from the same sized bud. :thumbsup:

I'll go take a pic to be complete..:)

[Weedhound]

The one bud sitting out is Muty.....came up to 11gms by him (her?) self.....a real beast. :wtf:

So on to the next thread...Right now I've got the two white rhinos that I've just turned to bloom and a (sad) blueberry who is just hanging out in the corner and trying to cough up some buds (it's really suffered so....say a prayer for it :cool:) plus the cotton candy that is doing great :D. Then last but not least....the new CC and Master Kush seedlings that have just popped and should be ready for the setup by tomorrow or the next day at the latest. :jointsmile:

[Rock.Steady]

Nice Jars:thumbsup:
wish i had those in my spice rack:smokin:

of course, we will xpect a full report after proper curing:wtf::D

Great Job Hound!:thumbsup:

Rock.

[smokedoja]

yea tell me about it!

i would sit and stare at those jars all day in disbelief...... great job weedhound!!!

and that bud of yours rock looks amazing might i add :D :D

[ganjzilla]

Great job on the grow weedhound...looks like some genuinely great blueberry which is always a fun herb to smoke, including you got 5.7 oz of dry weight off 1 plant at the end of the day id say u made out pretty well...GRATZ!! :D

[xcrispi]

She was a pretty girl ,
It just looked bigger I guess ? = More veg. time :) let em get like 20 in tall or so before flipping em . The mongrel / cottoncandy gives me easy 12 oz. every time . I wanna see you jump up n down like my crippled ass did when you finally get a 1lb. bucket . :yippee: Were both getting much healthier looking plants as time goes on regardless of yields though . :thumbsup:
Peace Sis.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

I think you are right X-C....more veg time and work to get the early ph issues under control....the other one I planted with her didn't make it due to the ph probs..

I think photos tend to make them look bigger than they really are. I like to look at photos of my plants more than the plants themselves (j/k) :D

I'm very happy with the final yield on this plant all in all. My new staggered grow plan is definitely shaping up as well so I think things will only get better from here. :)

[Weedhound]

I think I've lost my Master Kush seedling. :( I watered them with a little too much pressure yesterday and the whole pour little thing popped out of the rr. :( I've put her back but she's been just sitting there.....yellow.....not moving......any tips from anyone? (Rock.....I've already added a BREATH of superthrive ;)) so I'll wait and see but don't have a good feeling. Any tips or hints would be welcome. :)

On the other hand....CC has gone into the setup. I didn't want to wait any longer because then the stems start stretching really fast and I have to backtrack with them. Just superthrive and ph'd water. (ST=one drop/2 gals) In keeping with my theme this one's name is going to be "Markella" :D

Again......really REALLY terrible ph issues. I soaked the stuff (broke my ph pen on it too :() FOREVER, ran the peroxide through and have had plain RO water running in it since....ph adjusted several times a day and the ph just Goooooeeesss up. No plant involved even. REALLY frustrating :wtf: because I think the ph issues early cause problems later on and I'd love to stop that issue in its tracks. :cool:

[Rock.Steady]

a lil prayer for the Hound's Master Kush,
may Jah Love inspire a big bush.
lose that yellow and come back mean,
Jah Guide Master Kush to lush and Green.


Jah Love,
Jah Guide.:rastasmoke:

Rock.

made up on the fly, just for you Weedhound:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Amen. Thanks Rock. :D

[ebsters]

your ph shouldn't be jumping to much.

i hope you come to a solution. Make them girls happpy.

still makes you wonder why the ph is raiseing so fast, maybe your medium is acidic?

[Weedhound]

Actually alkaline....not acid enough....it's been killing me too. Thanks ebters. :)

[ebsters]

ahh so you narrowed it down

good job, now make them happy :-)

we will :jointsmile: one day even if its online, you have helped me quite a bit, and all i can say is that i would love to share some nuggets one day.

contact me on aim, ebduncan :-) best of luck with your plants i will be watching.

[Weedhound]

Ebsters you're very welcome. :) It's easy with folks like you who are willing to make the extra effort for your plants.....going out and buying a new light for them was great I thought ...so I knew you were in REAL pursuit of a better grow.....not just trying to squeek by like so many folks do (then they want a good yield and wonder why they didn't get one??!!)
It will be great to see your future grows and how they improve. :thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

Ebsters you're very welcome. :) It's easy with folks like you who are willing to make the extra effort for your plants.....going out and buying a new light for them was great I thought ...so I knew you were in REAL pursuit of a better grow.....not just trying to squeek by like so many folks do (then they want a good yield and wonder why they didn't get one??!!)
It will be great to see your future grows and how they improve. :thumbsup:

are u poking me???:wtf::weedpoke::wtf:

hey, even u were shocked by the amount of cfl's i have on my girls, u better b cuttin me slack.:wtf:

plus i am considerin a hps, if i can swing some doh in a week or so.

:smokin:

[Weedhound]

Rock....actually I think 12 cfls is a pretty damn impressive trick. ;) But here's what really grabbed me.....keep it simple blah blah......then you went out a built AN ENTIRE ROOM!!! (Ps....when you got the a/c....I knew you were hooked :D)

[Rock.Steady]

keep it simple blah blah......then you went out a built AN ENTIRE ROOM!!! (Ps....when you got the a/c....I knew you were hooked )
:S2:BWAHAHAHAHA!! UR NOT KIDDIN! LOL!

damm AC been runnin non stop for weeks.
i am now a share holder with the local pwr co.:wtf: