Serps gro log 2007

[serpentine5]

Ok, I started out with bag seed. I have never grown before but have been exposed to several people with great info and experiance early on in life....
I took 8 seeds, 4 from one batch and 4 from another, and only 4 from one barch sprouted in germanation. I took them all oursice and planted all 8 seeds into a planter. Then got onto the boards here and started asking questions. I was advised to move the 4 that were growing away from eachother instead of having them right there all growing out of the same hole in the dirt. So I went and got a big bag of Miricle Gro soil and got rid of the soil that was in a larger planter and replaced it with the MG soil, and transplanted three of the four from the one planter to the new bigger one, and spaced them out. I them temperarily transfered the remaining one to the new so I could replace the soil there too, and then moved it back. Within two days, the center seedling in the larger planter seemed to pull itself out of the siol and died, so i was left with 3 total, one in a single planter and 2 in the larger planter. They were growing well and then I believe my 22 month old son got to the larger planter and topped one of the seedlings and took everything off except the bottom node, and as it is right now, the seedling is starting to sprout a new node so I think she is going to live. Then two days later he did the same thing to the other seedling in the larger planter.... it is just now starting to sprout a new node.... the one by itself is doing ok, but the lower leaves are turning yellowish, and brown around the edges.... is this indicitive of too much watering? or not enough?
Pix are of the first one my son topped, then the other one, then the single.... Any and all constructive criticizm is welcome....

[serpentine5]

More close up of the larger single seedling....

[serpentine5]

I have stopped watering durring the day, and am only watering them once the sun goes down. Hopefully this will help them out some.

[serpentine5]

Just took these pix.
I am numbering these 1 2 and 3.
Number 1 is the one that was topped first.
Number 2 is the one that was topped a few days later,
And number 3 is the one that has been left alone.....

these are pix of number one:

[serpentine5]

these are pix of plant 2

[serpentine5]

This is a pic of 1 and 2.... 1 being on the right and 2 on the left.
These were germanated and planted at the same time. And topped 2 days apart.... big differance in these two....

[serpentine5]

And here is number 3 that was germanated and planted at the same time as 1 & 2..... still having a problem with the lower leaves yellowing on me. I have been watering then at night when the sun is down hoping that would help with the yellowing but it has had no effect as yet.

[serpentine5]

Here are pix of my babies as of tonight.... Plant 1 is getting as big as plant 3, but plant 2 is still growing small... remember, plant 1 was clipped, and then plant 2 was clipped a few days later.... but 3 was never touched...
Here is a pic of plant 1:

[serpentine5]

Here is plant 2:

[serpentine5]

And here are pix of plant 3:

[serpentine5]

So what do you fellow growers think?

[bud breath420]

off to a nice start brother there was a bit of yellowing in your first pics but it looks like its sorted itself out, they are nice and bushy as well, one problem though is those 2 in the same pot they should realy be put seperatly apart from that your doing great lookin forward to updates... keep tokin:stoned::thumbsup:

[dylan]

nice start, keep up the good work serpentine!

[Ithg]

good start mate, good luck!!!

[serpentine5]

thanks guys....
I am getting concerned that these guys (ladies I hope) might start getting too tall.... other than tying them down.... hwat is another method? I was told years back that topping them at every other node is good to do... but from what I have read here... it is not a good thing to do... what do you folks think?

[bud breath420]

tying them down would probably be the best idea grow them along the ground and you shouldnt have any problems with height, i start to tie mine down at around the height yours are now..

[twoguysupnorth]

i was trying to figure out what kind of planter you had them in? i think it will be way to shallow. tying down is good, so is topping, but dont do it at every other node. do it after 4 or 5 if you need too.

[serpentine5]

Update... they are growing....
I havent used and ferts yet...
What do your folks recomend?
Also, in plant 3 I got a close up pic of the top node.... can you tell a sex yet or do I need to wait?
Thanks guys and gals
Serp

[hydrocannabis]

I can't tell there sex but they do look good.

[dylan]

Yes, can't tell the sex yet, but in another month or so you should start to see signs. I would start them on some diluted ferts. I would start with something around 20-20-20 at 1/2 strengh.

[serpentine5]

cool
Thanks

[The Green Reaper]

looking great serp!

[serpentine5]

Ok, peoples... I know it has been a while since I last posted....
I have lots of new pix, and a few questions.....

This is plant 1.... lots of yellow leaves around the bottom of all three plants.... check the close up pix of the tops... is this a male?

[serpentine5]

these are pix of plant 2.... again... male? female?

[serpentine5]

Ok, several pix of plant 3..... I notice in the last post of plant 2 you can water droplets on the leaves from where I just watered them.... It also looks like the bottom leaves are rotting from too much watering.... I have not been over watering them... this is the first time in over a month I have watered them because we have had rain for the past month.... almost every day.... we have not had rain for about 3 days now so I wanted to water them and get some pix while I was watering them.
I still have not been able to scrap together the money to get larger planters, and 20-20-20 either....
look at the close ups of this one... keep in mind that plant 1 and 2 were both topped when they were seedlings, and 3 was spared... it has grown straight up on one stalk without splitting like the other two and it is growing thin... not bushy like the other two either....
I think this is male... but I want you to tell me.... look at the pix...
Thanks

[serpentine5]

a few more of plant 3....

Are these BALLS? damnit....

[WildFire.ca]

Kill it Its a male

[serpentine5]

all of em? or just number 3?

[bejay]

1 and 3 is male cant really tell about plant 2 as you didnt really have a close up picture of that one.
your leaves are yellowing due to a nitrogen deficiency and a feeding with a fertilizer will usually put a stop to it.

[serpentine5]

k.... I will get a few pix of 2 today and post em....

[mattzor]

yeah for sure those are males :( sorry man

[serpentine5]

ok, daylight pix of plant 2.....

[serpentine5]

and a few more pix....

[bejay]

still cant really tell for sure but it should be more obvious in another week or 2, would suspect that it will probably be a female but dont really see any pistols to tell you for sure.

[indicagrower]

aggree with mattzor

[S-Style-S]

sux that 2 of ur plants whee male, hope u never busted open the sacs by accident..

[serpentine5]

Actually.... i think in one of those pix above of me with plant 3.... I think I see pollen on my finger..... if nomber 2 is a female, you think that she could get pollenated now? before she starts to flower?

[WildFire.ca]

I can only see male parts on plant #3? These were all planted at the same time? Are they the same strain?

[bejay]

each pistol that a female plant has the ability to produce a seed if it gets pollen on it seeing how your other plant really isnt flowering or has no pistols that can be seen it cant get pollinated if it happened to have a few pistols as in preflowers it would still only result in a few seeds probably less than 10.

[serpentine5]

Ok, so we know 1 and 3 are male, and we think 2 is female?

Yes, all three were germ'ed and planted at the same time and all three are fromt he same bag seed.....

Reason they are different sized is because number 1 was topped while a seedling, then a week later 2 was topped, and 3 was left alone.....

[WildFire.ca]

I still only think 3 is a male can u guys show me the male parts on the pics you are talking about??

[bejay]

dont really know how to show you but its fairly easy to see male flowers on atleast 2 of the pics posted under plant 1, if you click on it not sure what type of browser you are using but if it doesnt enlarge the picture when you click on it may be more difficult to see.

[mattzor]

Those new pics i think you said its #2, look female, not 100% sure tho, looks like you might have keeper.

[serpentine5]

Ok, how far apart do males and females need to be to prevent polenization?

[serpentine5]

Ok, here is the close up of the "balls" of plant 1..... not sure buthtye look like the same thing as on plant 3.... but there arent of these on plant 2.... will take more pix tomorrow of 2... How far should male and female be moved apart....? Thanks.

[mattzor]

As fare as they can be. better to destoy them.

[mattzor]

and if both 1 and 3 both look like that, there no doubt that its a male plant, kill them burn, be gone evil male plant!

[WildFire.ca]

yup that a male also Kill them

[serpentine5]

I dont want to kill em.... not if I dont have to..... I would like to move the males away fromt he possible female.... how far do I need to move them to prevent fertalization?

[bejay]

they really are not good for anything other than pollinating would just go ahead and remove those 2 if you want you could wait till your other plant shows sex for sure but if its a female you really need to get rid of them by then unless you want seeds. they are wind pollinated and you would have to move them downwind a long ways to prevent pollination as the balls get more developed they will swell and release there pollen it will be like a powder and the wind could carry it quite aways.

[serpentine5]

Ok, I killed the two males.... and went to Lowes to get fertilizer in the 20-20-20 liquid form I was told to get.... they did not have any.... so I went ahead and bought an 8 gallon pot and some scotts organic soil. I pulled the female from the small pot she was in and used the water hose to wash off the roots and get them so they were loos and not buntched up like they were int he small planter... I transfered her into the larger planter and used the new soil to fill it up.... I also bought a nice Cleome (aka Spider Flower) and planted her int he planter that plants 1 & 2 were in.... nice cammo....
Do I need to get anything special for the female for the roots or is everything of in the way I transplanted her? I will be stopping by the local nursery to get some liquid 20-20-20..... but what if they dont have any either? What should I get to substitute it? They all have pelits, and granuals.... I am under the impression that the reason I was suggested to get the liquid is because I could control the dose given to the plants....
Thanks guys and gals... You have been great through this learning experiance.

[serpentine5]

Pix tomorrow of the female in her new home......

[WildFire.ca]

What kind of food are you going to use?

[Stonerz420]

:thumbsup: everything sounds good with ur transplant bro but a lil confused on what u did to ur roots, i thought it was best never to mess around with bare roots other wise it mite shock the plant and produce schwag, but great grow and lookin forward to some updates

[serpentine5]

not sure.... was suggested to me here to use 20-20-20 fertilizer.... liquid to mix with my ater I water it with, but no one around here seems to carry it... I havent went to a nursury yet, so hopfully I will find some there.... other wise... no clue... havent fed them anything as yet because I havent been able to find the 20-20-20 I was told to get....

[WildFire.ca]

Are there any hydro stores around or a homo depo

[serpentine5]

Home Depot and Lowes were where I went looking for the 20-20-20.... but neither had any.... the Nurseries were closed today so i will try them tomorrow....

[Stonerz420]

where are the pics u promised today?:smokin: wanting to see sum buds!@@

[WildFire.ca]

Home Depot and Lowes were where I went looking for the 20-20-20.... but neither had any.... the Nurseries were closed today so i will try them tomorrow....
What kind of food are you going to get 20-20-20 is not a brand name it is an nkp value

[serpentine5]

Have no clue the name brand.... hell... no one carries the 20-20-20 here that I have found.... so what ever brand they carry is what I will get if the nurseries carry it at all....

[serpentine5]

Ok, here are a few pix I took tonight of the "female"....
The First pic is of the Spider Plant.... Nice huh....

[serpentine5]

And here are some close ups up the tops....

[WildFire.ca]

do you have any hydro stores near you?

[serpentine5]

no hydro stores that I am aware of.....

[WildFire.ca]

What about ordering online?

[serpentine5]

not an option.... I deal cash only....

[WildFire.ca]

So you are just looking for any type of food you don't care what its for? Veg, Flower, Tomatoes, Roses, Weed? My Veg food is 6.2-2.2-5.7 and different for flower.

[hydrocannabis]

sacto420 told me that he used milk mixed wit water and his plants grew like a mofo.

this how he said it world work.

just get some milk for now. he said just to get some milk and pour it over the soil then to water it in GOOD.

SO I gave the milk/water to my outdo tomato plant and in just 4 days time it grew a foot taller and the leafs got darker also.

I gave my tomato plant some milk/water mix about 2 weeks ago.
and now ITS a monster grower. and is now over 6 feet tall.

I'll have to admit that I was a little scard to use milk at FIRST.
but after looking at sacto420's outdoor garden that was growing so fast.
I had to try it on my plants. and WOW mine grew like a mofo.

well thats the way I would go about things if I had UR plant.

well whatever u do heres :joint1::bigsmoke::S5::smokebong::greenthumb: :baggy: :weedpoke:to some
Good Luck.

[WildFire.ca]

sacto420 told me that he used milk mixed wit water and his plants grew like a mofo.

this how he said it world work.

just get some milk for now. he said just to get some milk and pour it over the soil then to water it in GOOD.

SO I gave the milk/water to my outdo tomato plant and in just 4 days time it grew a foot taller and the leafs got darker also.

I gave my tomato plant some milk/water mix about 2 weeks ago.
and now ITS a monster grower. and is now over 6 feet tall.

I'll have to admit that I was a little scard to use milk at FIRST.
but after looking at sacto420's outdoor garden that was growing so fast.
I had to try it on my plants. and WOW mine grew like a mofo.

well thats the way I would go about things if I had UR plant.

well whatever u do heres :joint1::bigsmoke::S5::smokebong::greenthumb: :baggy: :weedpoke:to some
Good Luck.
Man why do you have to say stuff like that. You have got to be kidding. Plz people if you don't know what you are talking about, don't give advice you are fucking with people. People come to this site to learn from each other doing that kind of crap is counter productive. I wonder if milk would promote bad bacteria growth and help root rot.

[serpentine5]

No, it doesnt matter what I use... I was just told to get 20-20-20....
I went to a local nursery and talked to a guy there, he does not sell any, but told me to go to Home Depot or Lowes and get Peters brand 20-20-20... it is a powder that you add to the water.... I went back to both Lowes and Home Depot and neither had any 20-20-20 what so ever.....
I am getting about 13 hours and 45 minutes or daylight....
Sunrise: 6:55 AM ET
Sunset: 8:39 PM ET
So I guess I am looking for something that will help with teh Nitrogen issues (the leafs going yellow....) and help our overall vegitation.... and when it starts to flower, I would essentially like to use the same food to help with flowering.... Brand dosnt mean squat to me....

[serpentine5]

Ok, I was able to stop by a nursery this morning and they had 20-20-20 in a small tub.... it is green looking moist stuff.... directions call for 1 tablespoon to 1 gallon of water... I added 1 tablespoon to 2 gallons.... and watered my female and the other plants I have on my patio.... hopefully this will help.
I am thankful to you all for your help, suggestions, and support!
Thanks much
Serp

[twoguysupnorth]

cool spider plant(cleome), ive got some white ones. watch out for the thorns.lol smells pretty funky too doesnt it?

[serpentine5]

I love the way they smell.... kind of skunkish.... I didnt know they had thorns... I will watch out for them...

[twoguysupnorth]

i didnt know they had thorns either untill i grabbed one towards the bottom of it. lol, i got several pokes in the hand because of them. i think they smell good too.

[420man!!!]

ok plants 1 and 2 look good except for the leaves stop watering them maybe the chances are its been raining wicked so they dont need water until the soils well dryed. so the first 2 plants females. the 3 one def is a male move it far away from your females it cean turn your feamles in 2 males. this is calld pollineting. one male cean pollinate up to a whole garden of females. trust i may be new to this website but have many years of out door grow and dealing with males. good luck other than a few leaves your crops not looking to bad

[serpentine5]

Thanks, You sure plant 1 was female? Everyone else said it was male..... so i pulled her/him... left only with plant 2....

[hydrocannabis]

Man why do you have to say stuff like that. You have got to be kidding. Plz people if you don't know what you are talking about, don't give advice you are fucking with people. People come to this site to learn from each other doing that kind of crap is counter productive. I wonder if milk would promote bad bacteria growth and help root rot.


hey do it or not I don't realy give a shit.

and I was just quoting sacto420.
told me that he uses milk mixed wit water.

he said that U water the milk in real good and then the plant should grow real good.

so I gave it a try and IT fucken worked real good.

[serpentine5]

Ok, I need to snap a few pix... but I am thinking that the roots either arent taking to the transplant... or the fert is killing the plants.... both the female and the spider plant.... I used less than the directed amount of the fert and the plants are drying and shriveling up.... kind of like they are dying....
I will get pix and post of what I am talking about....

[serpentine5]

Ok, here are a few pix of the female.... what you think?

[serpentine5]

and here a few pix of the spider.... looks like I might be loosing her.... sux...

[WildFire.ca]

How long a go did you feed them. They look over feed. You need to run water through the soil. Is there drainage in that container they are in?

[serpentine5]

Yes, there is drainage in both, the concrete one with the spider has three holes, and the larger plastic only has one... I have large rocks on the bottom of the concrete one, and have smaller gravel on the bottom or the larger one with the female in it.... you think I need to add a few more to the larger plastic one?
As for over feeding... I added about half the amount recommended on the directions, and watered about as much as I normally do... when it isnt raining I water once every other day or do... depending on how hot it is and how humid it is... The top of the soil is always dry... I havent dug up any soil to see if it is dry... think I should do that?

[WildFire.ca]

First pour 10x as much water as the containers are big, letting it drain out the bottom. It was feed too much, the doses on the bottle are general guide lines, could be for a 3m high plant. When it is dry I would feed the spider plant about 1/8th the strength what ever you gave it, and the other you should be about 1/4 as strong. What kind of food did you get

[twoguysupnorth]

wow that sucks. yeah flush them out as best you can, it will help. takes a little bit for them to rebound though. as far as the spider plant we dont feed ours anything, just a fert on the whole garden in the spring. try foliar feeding to get the others back in shape after flushing. i waited a bit before feeding again and they took about a week to start looking better again.

[serpentine5]

Will update pix tomorrow.... dont look much different than last set of pix....

[serpentine5]

ok, no pix today.... been storming like crazy.... supposed to clear up a bit tomorrow....

[serpentine5]

ok i know it has been a while since I updated with pix.... I was kind of waiting and expecting her to die on me.... but she hasnt.....
Have you ever seen one look like this? is this because of something lacking in her diet? or is this representative of its strain? if so.... what is she lacking or what strain is she?

[serpentine5]

and two more pix...

[WildFire.ca]

I think your plants was crossed with some alien DNA. Are all the fan leaves continuing to fall off or have they stopped.

[serpentine5]

pretty much grow out, turn yellow and fall off..... it went bald on me....

[serpentine5]

went away for two days, got home today and went out to check on her, the top of one side was turning brown like it was dying and I got to moving the leaves around and pulling the dead leaves out and I found a 1/4 inch green worm that looks about the same color as the plant itself... then I started finding small round bugs at all the nodes... What the hell... is this normal or am i just screwed? This was all being done as a learning experance so when I grow more next year, I will know what I am doing.... well... more than this year atleast... LOL

[serpentine5]

no ideas?

[dylan]

I think I've had those worms in some of my plants before...I just call them bud worms. Do they make little webs? I think once they are in their you just have to get some tweezers and pull them out. There may be a preventative action to take, but Im not sire what it is.

Post some pics if you can.

[Earthy Dank]

ok i know it has been a while since I updated with pix.... I was kind of waiting and expecting her to die on me.... but she hasnt.....
Have you ever seen one look like this? is this because of something lacking in her diet? or is this representative of its strain? if so.... what is she lacking or what strain is she?

it looks like these guys are experiencing a pH problem. they seem alittle pale green which could either be pH or nitrogen defiencency. What kind of nutrients are you using?

[serpentine5]

I am running 20-20-20 at 1/8th the prescribed dosage since when I used 1/2 dosage and the plant turned worse as described throughout this thread.... It was advised to me to use 1/8th instead of 1/2 dose and have been using it....

[Earthy Dank]

I would bet its bad pH. The soil quality isn't that good either... You best bet would be to flush it out real well. If you can maybe find it some better soil and possibly a bigger pot. The better the soil the better the final product... remember that.

[HighTillIDie]

ew, bugs

[serpentine5]

I have already changed the soil and pot once.... the pot it is in is now an 8 gallon..... and the soil is Scotts organic....

[twoguysupnorth]

cut out the infected part of the bud is what others were saying. there seems to be alot of these things. i havnt really heard of a cure except for sevins dust, which you might want to watch for as far as poisoning this far into the budding, the other are beneificial wasps. sorry i cant help more.

[serpentine5]

Hey hey hey. No pix, but I have crystals growing on my buds... on every node... too cool... Ok, how do I know when it is ready to be cut and hung? Thanks