Starting a thread...

[RESiNATE]

Have you ever, like, tried to start a new thread about something, but when you got to a certain point

[apsinthion]

I've forgotten what I was gonna say..........

[RESiNATE]

lol Aps
Yeah, it's just, like...well...I dunno...

[apsinthion]

Sometime's I get a real urge to start a thread, so I go to make one and can't think of a subject lol.:D

Then I get bored trying to think of one and give up.:o

[poorman3]

why i do this............

[RESiNATE]

lol
Yeah, I was sat here, having an intelligent conversation with myself.
I was making some very valid points!
So I thought, that would make a good thread...but when i sat down to type it out, I struggled with how I was going to introduce the subject.

In fact, I spent so long trying to figure out an introduction, that I completely forgot what it was I wanted to say!

I blame the parents, myself...:rolleyes:
:D

[apsinthion]

Like this...........

http://www.solonline.org/pra/tool/conversation.html

[RESiNATE]

Shit, dude...that was very interesting, thanks :)

It's kinda answered some questions that I had about myself lol
I always called it 'tangential thinking', and have been doing it for years...talking to myself :rolleyes: lmfaooo
I also do alot of 'thought experimentation'...like, work through a logistical problem in my head, or dissect a bit of engineering in my mind to see how it would work.
Apparently, Einstein did most of his theoretical thinking like this.
(which would make sense, I spose...duh! lol)
But you know what I mean :D

So, cool...I'm not mad :D..........theoretically, speaking :rolleyes:

[apsinthion]

You mean taking a step back and breaking down a problem into little pieces then gaining a better understanding of each element and then bringing them all together in order to reach a solution?:cool:

[RESiNATE]

You mean taking a step back and breaking down a problem into little pieces then gaining a better understanding of each element and then bringing them all together in order to reach a solution?:cool:
ummm...not quite sure what you're trying to say there, Aps..:confused:

I'm talking about reaching a solution by bringing the bits that I understand together, after I've broken the initial problem down.

Is that what you mean? :confused:






:D:D:D:D

[apsinthion]

Yeah sorry I could of put that better but I'm hungover and smoking solid with bit's of cling film in and my computer keep's crashing and I was dying for a piss.:D

How can I think my way out of this one.............

Hmmmmmmmm.......:confused:

[RESiNATE]

lmao...in that case, you can be forgiven for your circumspect deliberation :)

:D

I nearly came up with a contraption capable of perpetual motion, once...can't remember quite how it worked...but I think that I deduced that without frictionless bearings (which haven't been invented yet), ultimate perpetual motion couldn't be acheived.

But it was so close..:rolleyes:

Like so many problems, the solutions have to rely on an often impossible element.
Doing away with money, for instance...easily acheivable, if but for one crucial element...namely, human's inate greed.

'Tangential thinking'...you can't beat it! :D

[RESiNATE]

And another thing....

No, I've forgotten..

[apsinthion]

The more you have the more you want. You ever see fight club?:D

Unless this was you then your not the only one...

http://manor.york.ac.uk/htdocs/perpetual/feyn.html

[RESiNATE]

Ah yes...I remember now...:rolleyes:

So, based on the fact that, with logical reasoning and application of knowledge, there shouldn't be anything that can't be explained.

What do you want explained?
Let's see if I can help!...:D

[RESiNATE]

Hmmm..no, mine was based on gravity and water flow.

The thing is, if we are to accept the law that 'every action has an equal and opposite reaction', then perpetual motion cannot be acheived.
Or, 'energy expelled=energy created'

But, since energy is constant, nothing is gained....or lost.

If you slap a tabletop with your hand, you'll create energy (in the form of heat) both on the table and your hand....but it is equal to the energy (in kilojoules) that you needed to make the strike.

The trick is in transforming the energy created, from what was used to create it.
Like, transforming friction into electricity.

Transform gravity (a form of energy) into friction (using a water mill loop), then into electricity from the friction. The constant is gravity, and can be used as the 'negative energy' dumping ground.
The trouble is, energy will be lost in the bearings (unless they were frictionless) and thus would make the equation imbalanced...the balance would have to come from somewhere - most likely from the electricity that was produced.

I reckon...:rolleyes:

[apsinthion]

Just reading up on thermodynamics.:D

Very interesting.:)

The PM machine is in the museium of unworkable devices.:D

[poorman3]

damn resinate, what are you doing driving a truck? there is a dude over at the klozit king site thats trying to make a fuel less generator with 12 volt batteries and an alternator. he is using 12 volt converters like in trucks that convert 12vts. to 110vts. you should go there and read his story. maybe you could help him or just ruin his day. lol. seriously check it out. peace.

[RESiNATE]

Ah yes, called the invertor...I had one that could invert 24V to 240V..thus was able to plug in the TV and Playstation...and not get much work done :rolleyes:

But what happens when the batteries expend?
He'd then have to re-charge the batteries...using the energy that he had produced, thus cancelling out the benefit...hmmmm...I can see a flaw in his plan :rolleyes:

But, if you could use the force of gravity as the motion supply (ie, the weight of the water buckets, which would turn the mill), then convert the inertia into friction (by using simple generator mechanics), which in turn would generate electricity...
Hmmm....I may have to draw a diagram...because two problems exist:
1. the water needs to loop - how can that be acheived with the least amount of energy expulsion?
2. energy would be lost in the mechanics - ie, the need for frictionless (vacuum-sealed) bearings!

Diagram to follow, methinks :D

[Buck268]

ahh, Reafers! :D

[Blisterize]

This thread is proof that we all have weed today! :p

[RESiNATE]

lol...welcome to stonersville hehehe...

This is serious shit, people!
We could be on the verge of a revolution in energy supply...!


Right,, now that we've composed ourselves...I'll continue...

From the diagram, we can see that gravity is the motion force.
The weight of the water-filled bucket, allows the water-mill to gain inertia.
In turn, in drives the dynamo in the generator - creating electricity!

However, we need to find a way to pump the water back round to the tap, without using any energy (if possible) - therefore making the motion become repetitive inertia...100% efficient.
Also, the energy lost within the bearings of the whole contraption must be eliminated...frictionless bearings?

hmmmm

[maryjanemama]

This thread is proof that we all have weed today! :p
Hehe, yep, I don't know what I'm even reading here...I think I was supposed to click on those links or whatever, but not right now......:D

[dog420]

Don't you just hate it when ...........

[Blisterize]

Damn Res, I just call the power company! LOL

[poorman3]

intsead of water being used as your motion force, think about how you might could use magnets. less friction? does all the appilances where your from all use 240vts? like in the u.s.a. we have 110vts.

[RESiNATE]

Yeah, all our stuff is 240V...we need loads of power, man!

No, water isn't used as the motion force, gravity is - the water just provides the inertia mechanism (the water-mill). Magnets could be used, but there is still drag (albeit minute) because of the construction of the water-mill.
Even if the bearings were vacuum sealed, you'd still get a loss of energy from the bearing mountings.

Perplexing indeed.

The only other option, is 'cold fusion'.
And fuck knows how that works!
:D

[poorman3]

yes, no one has figured that out have they? someone did claim they had created cold fusion one time back but they were frauds. they could`nt reproduce their findings or something. peace

[GHoSToKeR]

Resinate, you would need a constant supply of water... no?

[poorman3]

for those with inquiring minds.lol. give image a minute to start.

[teknonra]

we use a small man on a bicycle. new man delivered to my door every tuesday morning.
all i have to do is feed and water him an' he peddles away making lovely electickery for the gas lights. if he stops ,we use the starting inplement tool on him!!( as in the manual) not quite pepetual but fuckin close!!!

[RESiNATE]

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion.html

[poorman3]

good read there resinate. believe it or not. lol.