Seed of intelligent life

[Divadish]

The Hubble picture of the galaxy at first got me thinking how insignificant we really are which then got me on to something i had banging round my head a few years ago which was this. Maybe we are the only intelligent life in the universe, sure they maybe micro-organisms ,aquatic life possibly even land based mammals scattered all over the place but as far as being able to communicate, plan and act upon, i think it's quite possible, given the critical planetary and climatic conditions that have come about to get us where we are at this moment in time that we are the only intelligent lifeform in the universe , i mean everything has to start somewhere maybe this is the cradle of intelligent life. And as such is it not our obligation nee our duty to leave this planet at some point and spread the seed of intelligent life throughout the rest of the universe, that's if we don't wipe ourselves out first. Just wondered if any one else had any opinions ?.

[Divadish]

Yes i couldn't agree more that's why we should be finding these new worlds and finding out we get to them. With the foreknowledge and intelligence we now have we could create true Nirvana on another inhabitable planet. A bit far flung i know but i really believe it's the way forward for us as a species.

[Melkane]

I think that the chances of intelligent life, as or even greater intelligence than ours is almost certain due to the sheer vastness of the universe. The sad thing is, most likely our planet will never communicate with other said intelligent life due to the very same thing...the vastness of the universe. Even at light speed the distances are nearly unfathomable.

Unless we get some form of communication or transportation thats so highly advanced that time/distance mean nothing in regards to it we just won't be able to communicate with any said species. Unless we are just astronomically lucky and intelligent life can be found at one of our closest stars.

Really I don't think it far fetched to make the guess that there is probably at least one highly intelligent form of life in each galaxy.

Just any form of life is proabably highly common in the universe though, the more primitive the more common. Though I imagine there are a lot of planets that animal life has reached dog/cat level of intelligence.

[Brett1038]

how crazy is that to think about though?

maybe one hundred trillion light years away, some form or people or humans or intellligent life or whatever could just be sitting there and we are completely oblivious to it

i would love to see visit another place where intelligent life exists and see just how different we really are

[anomalousirrelivance]

Just any form of life is proabably highly common in the universe though, the more primitive the more common. Though I imagine there are a lot of planets that animal life has reached dog/cat level of intelligence.

If you think about the universe and how time is a quantifiable thing, faster moving parts of the universe have probably evolved so strange of things that we cant imagine.

[scottbrochill]

I saw on some show in the national geographic channel, talking about finding another habital planet after the earth is used up, and they were saying that evenm just in our galaxy there are thousands of planets that probably have intelligent, just in the milky way....

This whole subject really gets you thinking man, it really blows your mind how small even our life spans are in the grand scheme of things, we liv 100 yrs at the most, but planets last billions of years, and there is no telling how long the entire universe has been around.... whoa

[Divadish]

If you think about the universe and how time is a quantifiable thing, faster moving parts of the universe have probably evolved so strange of things that we cant imagine.

So their path of evolution/intelligence could be a faster one than ours and they might have reached levels of conciousness, awareness and technologies that we might not conceive of for another 1000,100,000 who knows 1,000,000 years should we survive that long. As individuals we do seem rather insignificant don't we ? p.s. if they are that far advanced then they should get in touch :jointsmile:

[palerider7777]

i just thought i'd ad my 2 cents i know quite abit about alot of things as im always thinking about something my mind seems to never stop and i don't even smoke just my choice but i don't judge anyone either i used to hate the stuff when i was lil all my cousins and brother started when they were like 12.lol i went as far as to one time i lived in mobile al and my brother and his friends 16 at the time was growing some shit in his room and he pissed me off so i went and bought sum weed killer spray and when he was gone i went in his room and took his spray bottle with nutes and poured in the weed killer so when he sprayed his plants he was killing them himself i did'nt kill them my self i and i would wait and then change back his nutes so he could get another batch going and then do it again i would hear him cursing in his room saying i don't know what the fuck im doing there doing great and then all the sudden the get fucked up i know i was mean to him but thats how brothers are when there that age anyways back to the subject at hand first off let me say iv'e been all over the usa and my dad and i used to go out to colorado to prospect and camp out on our land out there it was great and at night we would look up in the stars and by the way there so much brighter and way more to see up in the mountains than say in jax where i am now anyways we would look up in the sky and just wander whats up there and b4 that we were in nm and i saw what at first i thought was a falling star i mean it was far away as a star not near the earth i mean it looked like a star and then it started zig zaging and backtracking so we were up in colorado looking up and reflecting on what that was and we started looking and after a few nights of this i spotted the same thing and we started tracking it we started to see it every night between 9 and 11 at night and it would come from the same place it looked like the milkyway or blackhole i don't know but it was a dense group of stars and it would zig zag around across the sky or space and then disappear into another cluster of dense stars and it would just go back and forth to this day i can go out there and see them at nite what they are i don't know but we have tracked them in the sky and a plane for a reference and the plane would take about 30 mins to an hr to go from one side of view to where we could'nt see it anymore like say from north to south and the things we would see in space would do a run like that in 5 to 10 mins and it was far way as a star so cont

[palerider7777]

cont so after saying that lets talk about what it takes to sustain life as we know it anyways and this is for u atheists out there that think we just happened and evolved from frogs and shit (yes i belive in god)ok here's what iv'e come to first what does it take for us to sustain life well we need water, sun, food among other thing but im just talking about elemental stuff here minerals vitamins stuff like that and we need just enough of each one right not to lil not to much right?well name another planet or moon or star that is just close enough to the sun for everything to be perfect not to close not to far just right the planet infront of us is to hot and the planet behind us to cold but of course u could live on a planet that is cold rather than to hott and of course us humans would have to make stuff to adapt to the colder planet but as far as everthing being just right the earth #1 the sun is just the right distance the plants gets just enough as u all know how delicate plants are they need just enough to thrive so to say this just all happened (big bang theory) not to say thats not how but by whom is the real ? the lord is the only 1 big enough to complete something of this magnitude could only be done with planning it didn't just happen just some of my cents:D

[Melkane]

, and there is no telling how long the entire universe has been around.... whoa


Actually the current scientific evidence points the universe to be about 14billion years old or so.

[mfqr]

I don't understand why people seem to say that the other forms of life in this universe are most likely to be lower in intelligence, etc. That's pretty arrogant, and ignorant, for one to say. Why can't there be other lifeforms out there that are far more intelligent than us, maybe even millions of years ahead of us in technology and the understanding of the universe? Lol.

Melkane: But how could you know if that is accurate? It's all a theory. The big bang... etc. Seeing as how we humans have not been here since before the big bang, then we really have no way of measuring it whatsoever. We don't know how large the universe is either... but we all like to think we do.

[Melkane]

Some things are kept with the label "Theory" because we just weren't there first hand to see it. Evolution is still labeled a theory but it's been basically proven. We just can't see it occur before our eyes because it's such a slow process so it still gets labeled a Theory.

The Big Bang is another one of those theories. There's more evidence towards Big Bang being the truth (whether the big truth or part of a much larger truth) than against it,

The age of the universe is based on the evidence currently at hand. It's not as set of a theory as the others but I'd say they are probably close.

[palerider7777]

thats funny u say Evolution is still labeled a theory but it's been basically proven. show me how it's been proven? what funny to me is people belive cause a guy in a coat comes up with his"Theory" on life people have to belive it and i might ad the same guy with the coat that later goes back and say opps sorry i was wrong about that they do it all the time one day it's this next day it's that lol my ? is for the people that belive in evolution why did the eevo process stop? if that is what happened why are we not seeing apes still evoing in to humans lol i swear people don't think much in due process the old evo would still be churning out people we would still be able to see this process to this day think about it u people have got to stop beliving what some guy in a coat says all the time if it were true we should still beable to see the process cont to this day what do u think the old evo churner say ok your numbers are met they (humans)can take it from here my ? is how come we humans can cont the process by having babies but the evo process is null&void now what bs lmao it's funny how much u can learn if u stop and think for ur self and stop letting the media/propaganda groups decide for u hope i was'nt to harsh i just see fact for fact i go by what i know not by what im told if i remember right thats how our rights get taken away lil by lil cause to many belive what there told and not what they belive for themselfs i think it's called brainwashed or something lol sorry had to say it:thumbsup:

[Melkane]

ummm I didn't understand most of what you said but I'll try to answer. Evolution is proven because of the sheer amount of evidence we have discovered to back it up. We have an extensive fossil record that shows the slow and apparent changes in all our creatures and how they slowly changed to their current forms. On top of this we can see evolution on a micro scale take place within a year every year. The flu virus. Every year we have to have a new vaccine because the flu virus is constantly evolving mutating. The resistant virus's survive (survival of the fittest) and go on to create a slightly evolved strain of the flu that needs a new vaccine to prevent. This is also why even if you get a flu shot a few weeks later you can still end up getting the flu. This is evolution on the small scale, we can basically see this occur due to the fast reproduction rates of viruss and other microbiological creatures. Then the biggest evidence we now have in our age of advanced science, DNA. DNA studies can show how close a relationship this creature has with that creature so on and so forth. Evolution is proven. The ones that still deny it are almost always religious fanatics that are trying to keep themselves deluded and completely and stubbornly won't look at all the facts we have discovered.

Evolution is still occuring, this very minute, this very moment evolution continues. You can look at the past few hundred years at human beings and see a change. Look back 600-700 years ago, look back at old suits of armor and such, you will find that most clothing/armor is made for shorter/smaller people, not by a whole lot but enough that it's telling now. We have slowly been getting taller and taller every generation. It's also why we get our wisdom teeth removed no days, for some people they can still have them come in just fine. But for many people (myself included) there is just no longer room for them to come in, and they cause problems and have to be removed. Human beings needed them long long ago for chewing but we are slowly evolving to not need them our mouths are getting smaller. Hell there are people born that don't even get wisdom teeth now. That's evolution at work.

[palerider7777]

lol funny i bet if i said i belive the way i say i do and didn't say i belive in god what would your thoughts about what i belive be then lol it's funny u say humans are getting taller now thats funny theres been short and tall people through out history so to use that is funny at best what about the island they found with all the dwarf people and the teeth thing u talk of saying thats evolution how would evolution know we need less teeth lmfao and really why is it we need less teeth do people not eat meat and other things that are tough and the whole dna thing if i remember right we all came from the earth were all made up of minerals so to say we come from apes i still see no proof i could say that the make up of lead is only 1 away from gold but that don't make it gold i don't know why u are saying u don't understand what im saying cause im following u just fine it's not hard to but u have still yet to show me proof of the part of evolution that we came from a tadpole to apes to now and u have still yet to explain to me why the process has stoped turning tadpoles to apes to humans u know why cause u can't i think people like yourself are trying and spending ur thought on how to disprove something (god) rather than just look at facts and for shits and giggles lets just say what u are saying is true then what caused it do u belive it just happened or a higher power made it happen that way or what?? and the whole fossil thing do u know how many diffrent breads of dogs there are 1000 years from now someone like u is gonna come along and find diffrent dog bones and say see this was the evolution process see these bones there diffrent from those bone failing to see there diffrent breeds and i think u understand what im saying but some people will cut off there nose to spite there face

[palerider7777]

are u one of those people that belive in were killing the earth with all the carbon dioxide being put into the air??

[Melkane]

:beatdeadhorse:

It hurts my eyes trying to read all that mess. I'd simply suggest to you to read some books or something on the subject, enlighten yourself a little. It could help you understand that science isn't some enemy out to prove god wrong (science is simply trying to find out how things work) and secondly reading could help you better your spelling and grammar a bit.

Oh and yes humans spewing all the various poisonous chemicals/gases into the air is most certainly going to have a negative impact on the earth in some manner or another.

[420ultimatesmokage]

thats funny u say Evolution is still labeled a theory but it's been basically proven. show me how it's been proven? what funny to me is people belive cause a guy in a coat comes up with his"Theory" on life people have to belive it and i might ad the same guy with the coat that later goes back and say opps sorry i was wrong about that they do it all the time one day it's this next day it's that lol my ? is for the people that belive in evolution why did the eevo process stop? if that is what happened why are we not seeing apes still evoing in to humans lol i swear people don't think much in due process the old evo would still be churning out people we would still be able to see this process to this day think about it u people have got to stop beliving what some guy in a coat says all the time if it were true we should still beable to see the process cont to this day what do u think the old evo churner say ok your numbers are met they (humans)can take it from here my ? is how come we humans can cont the process by having babies but the evo process is null&void now what bs lmao it's funny how much u can learn if u stop and think for ur self and stop letting the media/propaganda groups decide for u hope i was'nt to harsh i just see fact for fact i go by what i know not by what im told if i remember right thats how our rights get taken away lil by lil cause to many belive what there told and not what they belive for themselfs i think it's called brainwashed or something lol sorry had to say it:thumbsup:

im not normally this blunt but dude you are a fucking idiot. ya i believe (see thats how we spell it) in evolution because there is so much evidence for it, probably one of the most well documented scientific theories we have. ya its a theory just as gravity is still a theory. i think you people throw around the word theory too much. what most people call a theory is actually a hypothesis,Scientific method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method) a theory has been tested and thus far hasn't been falsified. oh and for proof, go look up endosymbiosis, fossil records, and drug resistance just to name a fraction of the evidence. and there is no god damn way most people are going to attempt to read something so poorly written and not separated into at least 2 paragraphs. i will not write in response to anything else you write because i can tell its a waste of time.

[palerider7777]

it's just weird how u say evolution is such a slow process. i mean we(humans)were in the dark ages up till the late 1800's and did'nt really start using using eg electric ,cars, t'v ,building, materials,stuff in mass quantity until 1920's 30's and from then to now has been an even bigger jump so for it to be such a slow process man in the last say 60 to 70 years it has grown by leaps and bounds so why is it going so fast now i guess next step is lift off it's just weird to me that for thousands of thousands of years pretty much nothin then past 70 years all this maybe were just a mutant breed and i write like this cause im lazy and i can im not here to impress u with my writing perfect unless im on ur payroll and ur gonna pay me to do stuff the way u want it then stfu:thumbsup: and to talk like u calling people fucking idiot and shit like that thats where i can say thats the beauty of the internet u can speak ur mind without fear of a backhand:cool:so good for u and the whole thing about a debate is just that a debate no need to get your g string in a wad son

[halfassedjediknight]

it's just weird how u say evolution is such a slow process. i mean we(humans)were in the dark ages up till the late 1800's and did'nt really start using using eg electric ,cars, t'v ,building, materials,stuff in mass quantity until 1920's 30's and from then to now has been an even bigger jump so for it to be such a slow process man in the last say 60 to 70 years it has grown by leaps and bounds so why is it going so fast now i guess next step is lift off it's just weird to me that for thousands of thousands of years pretty much nothin then past 70 years all this maybe were just a mutant breed and i write like this cause im lazy and i can im not here to impress u with my writing perfect unless im on ur payroll and ur gonna pay me to do stuff the way u want it then stfu:thumbsup: and to talk like u calling people fucking idiot and shit like that thats where i can say thats the beauty of the internet u can speak ur mind without fear of a backhand:cool:so good for u and the whole thing about a debate is just that a debate no need to get your g string in a wad son

dude you need to go back to school. chill out and smoke or something. because youre typing in ridiculous runoff sentences that last up to two paragraphs, and thats 2nd grade shit, yeah?

the reason the THEORY OF EVOLUTION is a theory because a theory is an explanation of natural phenomena built up logically from testable observations and hypotheses. If you know what natural selection is..well evolution is based on it. Look up darwin.

the reason its taken so long is because thinks ADAPT to their environment, then pass on the necessary traits to reproduce and pass along the same traits necessary for survival in this brutal world. does that make sense? birds beaks werent the same as they are now, theyve been 'genetically engineered', you could say, over time to do the things they do now.

the reason its 'so weird' that that could happen is because we dont see it happen..because like you say, it happens over such a long period of time. thats not weird, its perfectly understandable to me.

sorry if im a dick but youre being a dick and while im not religious at all i do believe in the do unto rule, so youre just telling us how youd like us to treat you as far as im concerned.

[KingsBlend420]

Wasn't that picture taken by the Hubble just a little part of the universe? You can easily tell that there are hundreds and maybe even more of galaxies just in that picture alone, which really helps show how huge the Universe really is. I personally think that there are other intelligent life forms somewhere, not in out Galaxy of course, but in other Galaxies, there is no way that we are the only intelligent life form out there. It's kind of a lame concept to think about though because since the Universe is so huge there isn't really a chance to find another intelligent life form in our lifetime, but I definitely think that there is a similar Galaxy to ours somewhere out there with life, there has to be. I didn't say much but I hope I kind of got my point across. Earlier this year in college, I was in the dorms with a few friends and we were just sitting around dipping talking about this exact concept. It's such an amazing and awesome idea to think about because it's so debatable, yet so unprovable at this point in time.

[420ultimatesmokage]

dude you need to go back to school. chill out and smoke or something. because youre typing in ridiculous runoff sentences that last up to two paragraphs, and thats 2nd grade shit, yeah?

the reason the THEORY OF EVOLUTION is a theory because a theory is an explanation of natural phenomena built up logically from testable observations and hypotheses. If you know what natural selection is..well evolution is based on it. Look up darwin.

the reason its taken so long is because thinks ADAPT to their environment, then pass on the necessary traits to reproduce and pass along the same traits necessary for survival in this brutal world. does that make sense? birds beaks werent the same as they are now, theyve been 'genetically engineered', you could say, over time to do the things they do now.

the reason its 'so weird' that that could happen is because we dont see it happen..because like you say, it happens over such a long period of time. thats not weird, its perfectly understandable to me.

sorry if im a dick but youre being a dick and while im not religious at all i do believe in the do unto rule, so youre just telling us how youd like us to treat you as far as im concerned.

i admire your patience. living in utah i come across a ton of ignorant people and you just come to the point that debate is useless. i may have come off as a dick but jeez "people belive cause a guy in a coat comes up with his"Theory"" ya thanks palerider you have opened my eyes, i didn't know me and thousands of scientist were just misguided by this "man in a coat". i really thought i believed it because of the evidence but it turns out i've been brainwashed:rolleyes:

[palerider7777]

NO JUST A DUMB FUCK IT'S COOL AND I GUESS A LIAR TO BOOT. i will not write in response to anything else you write because i can tell its a waste of time. AND I SEE PEOPLE WRITE WAY WORSE STUFF ON HERE AND NOONES SAYS ANYTHING.BUT WHEN U WANT TO FEEL SMART U HAVE TO BRING UP SUM STUPID SHIT... ANYWAYS KINGS BLEND 420 UR RIGHT THERE HAS TO BE MORE OUT THERE AND I GUESS IF I WAS THEM I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH A PLACE AS FUCKED UP AS THIS. LOL AND IF THERE A PASSIVE PEOPLE THEN THEY REALLY WOULD'NT WANT TO COME HERE I MAYBE WRONG. AND IF I WAS IN THERE POSITION AND HAD THE POWER AND ADVANCMENT THAT THEY MUST HAVE DO U THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON THE PRODUCT OF A (DARWIN'S THEORY)OR JUST HUMAN.WOULD THEY REALLY WANT TO TEACH US THERE KNOWLEDGE LOL THERE WOULD'NT BE NOTHIN LEFT!

[palerider7777]

I LIKE HOW PEOPLE CAN JUDGE SO EASILY OFF OF A COUPLE OF THINGS SOMEONE SAYS ABOUT THEMSELFS.IV'E NOTICED OUT OF ALL THIS WRITING ON HERE FOR SUM REASON IT KEEPS BEING BRUNG UP THAT I SHOLD CHILL AND START SMOKING TO IM A FUCKED UP LOONY CAUSE I believe IN GOD LOL AND IM THE DICK?LMFAO OK SO THAT JUST SHOWS WHO THE KIDS ARE HERE. U DON'T SEE ME SAYS SHIT LIKE UR AND EVIL FUCK HEAD CAUSE U DON'T believe IN SUMTHING. OPPS I NEED TO SPELL CHECK THAT. I THINK U SHOULD ENTER A SPELLING BEE OR SOMETHING U WOULD GO FAR!!!

[Melkane]

I'm guessing by all the caps you're angry about something?

Who knows what about...:wtf3:

[halfassedjediknight]

I LIKE HOW PEOPLE CAN JUDGE SO EASILY OFF OF A COUPLE OF THINGS SOMEONE SAYS ABOUT THEMSELFS.IV'E NOTICED OUT OF ALL THIS WRITING ON HERE FOR SUM REASON IT KEEPS BEING BRUNG UP THAT I SHOLD CHILL AND START SMOKING TO IM A FUCKED UP LOONY CAUSE I believe IN GOD LOL AND IM THE DICK?LMFAO OK SO THAT JUST SHOWS WHO THE KIDS ARE HERE. U DON'T SEE ME SAYS SHIT LIKE UR AND EVIL FUCK HEAD CAUSE U DON'T believe IN SUMTHING. OPPS I NEED TO SPELL CHECK THAT. I THINK U SHOULD ENTER A SPELLING BEE OR SOMETHING U WOULD GO FAR!!!

youre totally ridiculous. i hope you know that, and im pretty sure you do but dont care. youve made it clear you dont care.

so i wonder why you keep posting and repeating yourself? we know you b sooooo cool way up there at the top trying to sound all philisophical and passionate but youre just coming off as an arrogant jerk. and like i said im pretty sure you know that but dont care. you apparantly have something to tell us all or something otherwise you wouldnt be so persistant.

and what are you talkin about it shows who the kids are here? youre being a child.

[halfassedjediknight]

NO JUST A DUMB FUCK IT'S COOL AND I GUESS A LIAR TO BOOT. i will not write in response to anything else you write because i can tell its a waste of time. AND I SEE PEOPLE WRITE WAY WORSE STUFF ON HERE AND NOONES SAYS ANYTHING.BUT WHEN U WANT TO FEEL SMART U HAVE TO BRING UP SUM STUPID SHIT... ANYWAYS KINGS BLEND 420 UR RIGHT THERE HAS TO BE MORE OUT THERE AND I GUESS IF I WAS THEM I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH A PLACE AS FUCKED UP AS THIS. LOL AND IF THERE A PASSIVE PEOPLE THEN THEY REALLY WOULD'NT WANT TO COME HERE I MAYBE WRONG. AND IF I WAS IN THERE POSITION AND HAD THE POWER AND ADVANCMENT THAT THEY MUST HAVE DO U THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON THE PRODUCT OF A (DARWIN'S THEORY)OR JUST HUMAN.WOULD THEY REALLY WANT TO TEACH US THERE KNOWLEDGE LOL THERE WOULD'NT BE NOTHIN LEFT!


you still dont make sense because youre typing in a gigantic runoff sentence and i cant tell where it starts or ends.

"AND IF I WAS IN THERE POSITION AND HAD THE POWER AND ADVANCMENT THAT THEY MUST HAVE DO U THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON THE PRODUCT OF A (DARWIN'S THEORY)OR JUST HUMAN.WOULD THEY REALLY WANT TO TEACH US THERE KNOWLEDGE LOL THERE WOULD'NT BE NOTHIN LEFT"

what does that mean? what the hell?

[420ultimatesmokage]

to get back on topic...not only do i believe there is other life out there but at one point or another there's probably been intelligent life. think about it, billions of galaxies each with billions of stars. even if were talking one planet per star that comes out to trillions upon trillions of planets. to think we are the only one in the entire universe seems unlikely.

[Divadish]

As i said in my original post, life, be it microscopic or whatever maybe abundant all over the universe if not in our own Milky Way. I just think that we (homosapians) are ahead in the cosmic intelligence stakes. IF ? a civilised human society/race exists on this planet in 1000 years time (the blink of an eye in cosmic terms) we will have doubled our current life span colonised the moon probably have satellite stations on Mars and launched colonists to other worlds developing some kind of human hibernation technique for deep space travel. The possibilities for human kind would be endless, unless we get visited first..;)

[420ultimatesmokage]

well the fate of the human race is far from certain considering we haven't faced any major threat to our survival ie asteroid/comet impact, cosmic ray burst etc the universe has been around for billions of years and to say we are ahead of the game is a bit premature. there could be several reasons why we haven't seen any intelligent
Fermi paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#They_do_exist_)...
or maybe they don't exist
Fermi paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#They_do_not_exist_)...

this is all based on fermi's paradox, which is based on what we are talking about right now. this article can explain it better and in more detail then i can
Fermi paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox)

[420ultimatesmokage]

ok those links didn't work as well as i wanted it to, here are the do/don't exist hypothesis Fermi paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#Explaining_the_paradox_theoretically )

[Divadish]

Wow ! that just about covers everything, something for all sides to chew on there, including you pr7777. ;)

[Quantummist]

I just think that we (homosapians) are ahead in the cosmic intelligence stakes.

I want to know why you think we're ahead, we have yet to have a conversation with a dog, They seems to know what we want them to do but we haven't a clue what they want us to do.

We have no idea how little we know, we have no external frame of reference and as such its only our ego's that puts us at the head of the class. All our great technology, all our grand structures for the time we built our first fires could be just the baby steps of a newborn.

In the vastness of this universe a life form could have been at where we are today a Billion years ago and today sees us as we see an ant. They would just ignore us as they consider if they should put us in a ant farm , ignore us or zap us with Decon because we are starting to annoy them..

Then again maybe we are in the ant farm we call earth and just trying to get out as we call it exploring the universe. And they are considering pulling out the magnifying glass on those that escape.

[jamstigator]

Evolution in general has not stopped. Evolution of humankind hasn't even stopped, although it is now dramatically different, because we're selecting for different things. In the old days, it was survival of the fittest, only the strongest/smartest/toughest were able to spread their genes into the gene pool. Now, we keep the infirm, retarded, sickly members of society alive, usually long enough that their genes go right back into the pool. Not to mention that the smartest members of society tend to think long-term and with global population rising so rapidly, and resources to support the population shrinking, they tend to have fewer children. And the dumbest and/or least educated members of society tend to have *lots* of kids, which pushes their genes to the forefront in the global genetic pool. So, while evolution is still occurring, we're probably not really evolving in a positive way anymore.

That's just humans though; other species are improving, because for them it is still survival of the fittest. It's easy to see the effects on rapid-turnaround species, with diseases selecting for drug and antibiotic resistance and so on. Heck, there are 39 *new* diseases in the last few decades, that didn't exist at all 100 years ago. (Of course, there are far more species that have gone extinct in that time, so I'm not sure the planet is evolving new species at the same rate as it is losing old ones. Probably not.)

Our lack of finding signs of intelligent life via SETI and so on is a little troubling. Granted, we haven't looked very hard at all. But it occurred to me that there could be a scary reason why we aren't picking up the signals of other intelligences in the general vicinity (say, within 10,000 light years). My theory is that we *are* picking up such signals, but the other intelligent races keep their data encrypted to the extent that it just looks like garbage noise. (Open up a .RAR file with a hex editor, for example, and you will see that it is almost entirely garbage, or at least looks like random data.) But then, *why* are they encrypting their data so that it's not intelligible to other races in other star systems? And my theory is that there's some race or species out there that is hostile to all others and when *it* detects signalling indicative of intelligent life, it wipes them out, leaving only those races smart enough to keep their data encrypted. And it's heading our way, or will be as soon as it hears our signals. We first began announcing our intelligence in a big way beginning with the first live video broadcasts of the 1939 Olympics in Nazi Germany, so anything within 68 light years has now probably heard about us. Hopefully 'The Destroyer' is further than that, and won't get here in my lifetime. ;)

[Quantummist]

Our lack of finding signs of intelligent life via SETI and so on is a little troubling. Granted, we haven't looked very hard at all. But it occurred to me that there could be a scary reason why we aren't picking up the signals of other intelligences in the general vicinity (say, within 10,000 light years).


While I concur with your post I can see why SETI has yet to stumble upon information sent out by other forms of life with no problem. Life of any level of intellectual ability would be rare with in even our tiny , little, small uninteresting galaxy. And if some one out there was around for a hundred thousand years it could be a million more years before actually received their first broadcast when their Marconi fired up his first transmitter. And we may have received detailed information already and it got here when we were burning the scrolls at Alexandria and heading into the dark ages. Thus is the vastness of this bubble of matter and energy. Drake gave us a reasoned view of the possibilities in his formula ( The Drake Formula--Estimating Life in the Universe (http://www.indiana.edu/~tltl/projects/drakeformula/index.html) )
And even if the Universe is Teaming with intelligent life we may never know it before something puts our lights out for good.

[Quantummist]

are u one of those people that belive in were killing the earth with all the carbon dioxide being put into the air??

You seem to believe in lots of stuff.. Once you believe you have given up the understanding of science. You don't seem to understand that in the least. In science no one Believes. They Think. I think evolution is a fact and I could produce volumes on the bits of evidence we as a species have collected over time. But I would never say I believe as at that point I have created a religion. Religion does not have to have a deity to make it so. Religion is when in the face of overwhelming evidence one or a group disregard it because they Believe in what ever it is they believe.

You bring up Global warming and today we have a religion being formed around that concept. Yes the earth is warming and we have evidence of it. But to believe that this climate we are in at this moment is the Best one is religious in nature. To set aside the many that provide evidence that the cause is not man, because they Believe it is, begins the walk to the church of the environment.

Yes Science changes as new information is gained by mans quest to know and when it does we modify theory to fit the evidence we gain.. Religion sticks to dogma and Believes its the end all and be all even when confronted with evidence that disavows all its Believes.

[Quantummist]

i just thought i'd ad my 2 cents i know quite abit about alot of things as im always thinking about something my mind seems to never stop

Form your post I think you know very little of the world around you, Its only your arrogance and ego that makes you B'Leave you know. If you beleive in your version of god and it makes you go through life doing the Right things when no one is looking then it great for you. If your beliefs cause you to wish to help your fellow man then more power to you. But I suggest you consider that all you think you know may very well be just belief and has no connection to reality.

What you spout as your evidence of some master planer are in fact Beliefs and not evidence in the slightest. You speak of all the things that makes Us be what we are and state Only god could do such a thing and you have no idea that what you believe is not in the slightest any evidence at all.

I would venture a guess that you could not in your own words define the terms Evidence or Proof. They are quite different concepts by the way..

Paul