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shakedown
05-31-2007, 07:22 AM
I transplanted from clone 4 days ago. Im growing in 1gal bags using Foxfarm ocean mix w/ perlite. My light is a 600hps.

I had the light about 1ft away from the canopy but moved it up to 2ft about a hour ago. I also over watered with tap and didnt check the PH.

As you can see in the pics the new leaves are turning yellow and the lower one are turning as well.

The FF ocean mix is high in N so Ive ruled out an N def. It also doesnt look like a light burn, so Im left with either over watering and/or a PH problem from my tap. Any idea on how to fix?

luckychiken
05-31-2007, 02:25 PM
Definitly not a light problem, that´s coming from inside. I´ve never seen nothing like it. Wait for some other advice.

Perp
05-31-2007, 03:23 PM
Iron deficiency caused by PH troubles?


Iron (Fe) Micro Nutrient and an Immobile element


Iron is an important component of the plants enzyme and is also important for the transportation of electrons while photosynthesis is happening...


Iron reacts with many of the components of nutrient solutions, which will cause a nutrient lockup to occur, If you add to much Iron without adding enough Phosphorus, you can contribute to a phosphorus deficiency , so watch out how much iron and phosphorus your nutrients have. The Leaves on the plant can turn a pale yellow along the growing shoots, while the veins remain dark green. When you have pH imbalance, it can make iron insoluble. The tissue between the veins becomes pale or white, kind of mimics the magnesium deficiency, but not yellow, iron has the white where the yellow would be on the magnesium deficiency. The deficiency starts with the lower and middle leaves, while the new leaves become completely lacking in chlorophyll, but with little or no necrotic spots. The chlorotic mottling on new leaves starts first near the bases of the leaflets, so the middle of the leaf appears to have a yellow mark. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves really slowly in the plant.
Harder for outdoor plants to absorb when in hot weather. Parts affected by the Iron Deficiency are: Young leaves and Petioles.

To much Iron can cause a problem that looks like a PH imbalance, Brown spotting on the top leaves, mainly fan leaves. Can affect the whole plant. Iron Toxicity is rare for Ph below 5.5.



Problems with Iron being locked out by PH troubles
Over watering, pests nematodes, not enough drainage, like not enough perlite. High ph, Soils with low iron, High Phosphorus, Excess Zinc, manganese or copper.



Soil

Iron gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 4.0-6.5 (Wouldnâ??t recommend having a soil ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an Iron Deficiency.



Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Iron gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 6.0 (Wouldnâ??t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an iron deficiency.




Solution to fixing a Iron deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have potassium in them will fix a Iron deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Foliar feed with chemical fertilizer containing Fe or rusty water can work well. Other supplements that have Iron in them are: Iron chelates, Ferric oxide, Ferrous oxide, Ferrous sulfate, all of these are fast absorption. Greensand, Cottonseed Meal is slow absorption, Garden Manure, which is medium absorption. Manure is most common organic iron source to use.


Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - The Complete guide to Sick Plants,pH, and Pest troubles! (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688)


Or a little further down on that same link, look at Sulphur Deficiency.

Divestoned
05-31-2007, 05:29 PM
its a ph thing no doubt ...get a ph meter and flush your soil.

Dive:stoned:

stinkyattic
05-31-2007, 06:37 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it MAY -this is kind of a stretch- actually be Nitrogen def. despite the heavy N feeding... If you SUDDENLY gave your plants a TON more light than normal, and they got a sudden growth spurt, it stands to reason that they could sorta outgrow their N supply.
Try foliar feeding with a high-n fert and see if that helps.
Oh and of course check your pH... :D
I have NEVER seen that come on so suddenly!