A question for flushing...

[Markass]

Okay, they've been getting clear water for well over a week now, they're a couple days over 8 weeks, and I expect them to go at least 1 more week if not a bit longer..I watered them the other day and want to put them in the tub to run lotsa water through them, the soil isn't completely dry..I've had problems with overwatering before but are they going to care this late? I know as long as before harvest it's not damp it shouldn't be too bad, but are the plants gonna get pissed at me for overwatering if I take them to the tub tonight and run some water through them for a bit?

now looking at it, it's getting closer and closer to harvest and I think it would be appropriate to go ahead and flush them a good time, then I'll do it once again a few days before I chop them..but am very conscious about overwatering considering I've had problems earlier this grow with it..thanks everyone :):stoned:

[Zandor]

If you are using just clean Ph adjusted water it will take about 14 days to do a proper flush.

You don't need to over water them to do a proper flush, drowning your plant will not help to flush them any faster. The plant need to uptake the water too so you can clean out the inside of the plant as well and not just the soil.

Using a commercial flushing product is always a bonus and can speed up the flushing process by a week.

[MegaOctane12]

If you are using just clean Ph adjusted water it will take about 14 days to do a proper flush.

You don't need to over water them to do a proper flush, drowning your plant will not help to flush them any faster. The plant need to uptake the water too so you can clean out the inside of the plant as well and not just the soil.

Using a commercial flushing product is always a bonus and can speed up the flushing process by a week.

This is the first time I have ever seen anyone say that the inside of the plant can be cleaned. Flushing clears the salt from the medium and corrects toxicitys, I've never been under the impression that you can clean the inside of the plant from flushing the soil. Check my thread in the organic section and you will see why I think this and why I think this is bad practice.

[stinkyattic]

Well I'm not sure if I'd call it 'cleaning' the inside of the plant, but allowing it to use up all the nutrients it has available so there's no residue left; all the chemicals have been bound up into molecules of plant material, or transpired, you know?

[PlantBoxer]

[Check my thread in the organic section and you will see ] I thought you only need to flush salt based ferts?

Organics, dont have salts, except for the addition of Magnesium, buts thats added as organic.

I've not flushed an organic grow for a couple of years now...never saw a reason to myself.

[jackflash20007]

well i just flushed mine and all the fan leaves turned yellow and i still have a week to go. organic + soil. i hope they're done right.

[stinkyattic]

In soil with organic amendments, and a week left, I will say that I think you are right on schedule for the yellow leaves.

[Cornelius]

This is the first time I have ever seen anyone say that the inside of the plant can be cleaned. Flushing clears the salt from the medium and corrects toxicitys, I've never been under the impression that you can clean the inside of the plant from flushing the soil. Check my thread in the organic section and you will see why I think this and why I think this is bad practice.

the whole point of flushing is to make your weed burn and taste better. High nutrient concentrations (especially nitrogen) in your weed will make it pretty harsh, so people flush the plants to get it to use up its available food.

-p

[stinkyattic]

so people flush the plants to get it to use up its available food.


That is EXACTLY it. Word.

[MegaOctane12]

the whole point of flushing is to make your weed burn and taste better. High nutrient concentrations (especially nitrogen) in your weed will make it pretty harsh, so people flush the plants to get it to use up its available food.

-p

Give yourself some credit for stating the fucking obvious. YOU STILL CANNOT CLEAN A PLANTS INSIDES.

[Zandor]

Give yourself some credit for stating the fucking obvious. YOU STILL CANNOT CLEAN A PLANTS INSIDES.

Let's get this right.

When you use a commercial flusher product the plant does uptake it into the cell walls. By nature of the product the available nutrients and minerals that are not stored in the leaf system are then diluted. Again by nature the plant does return unwanted and unused nutrients or minerals if you have it back to the rez or leach it out in the soil.

Thus the flushing does occur in that manor.

Using simple terms that most people can understand no matter what their first language is considered common and acceptable on this forum.

Flaming is not acceptable in the grow section.

I did not say anything about organics and most people don't flush organics but I still would personally just to take away as many minerals I can to speed up the dry and cure time. Force the plant to use up all that stored energy and cure faster.

So you see there are 2 sides but popular belief is still flushing is always a good idea.

[stinkyattic]

Zandor can the plant actually uptake the chemical components of the flusher or does it simply cause the plant to uptake more WATER than normal?

And what specifically IS the chemical component? I've been using dilute humic acid to flush the soil.

[MegaOctane12]

Let's get this right.

When you use a commercial flusher product the plant does uptake it into the cell walls. By nature of the product the available nutrients and minerals that are not stored in the leaf system are then diluted. Again by nature the plant does return unwanted and unused nutrients or minerals if you have it back to the rez or leach it out in the soil.

Thus the flushing does occur in that manor.

Using simple terms that most people can understand no matter what their first language is considered common and acceptable on this forum.

Flaming is not acceptable in the grow section.

I did not say anything about organics and most people don't flush organics but I still would personally just to take away as many minerals I can to speed up the dry and cure time. Force the plant to use up all that stored energy and cure faster.

So you see there are 2 sides but popular belief is still flushing is always a good idea.


You never mentioned organics which is the reason for this misinformation, on your part. If your going to make statments like that be specific in what your saying because a two week flush for organics has proven to be extremely detrimental from all the reading and research I have done and others. Regarding your explanation in the first paragraph I'm not a qualified horticulturalist or whatever the fuck specialises in that type of shit so I'm not going to pretend to know but I'm sure there are plenty of people who would have something to say about that. From browsing over your posts and podcasts you seem to have only ever grown hydro so make it perfectly clear what your refering to.

[Zandor]

You never mentioned organics which is the reason for this misinformation, on your part. If your going to make statments like that be specific in what your saying because a two week flush for organics has proven to be extremely detrimental from all the reading and research I have done and others. Regarding your explanation in the first paragraph I'm not a qualified horticulturalist or whatever the fuck specialises in that type of shit so I'm not going to pretend to know but I'm sure there are plenty of people who would have something to say about that. From browsing over your posts and podcasts you seem to have only ever grown hydro so make it perfectly clear what your refering to.

Well He did not say anything about organics at the start either so why would I confuse anyone. There is an organics section and this is posted in the indoor section so there is no assumption that it would be organics.

If you want to try to bash me then start your own thread but be polite and show respect.

If you don't like my show then don't listen.

For some reason this seams like a personal attack for you against me. But if I pissed you off then I suggest you get over it or move on; QUICK!

In no way shape or form did I provide any miss-information to anyone.
I posted correct and accurate information based on science. It's only you that is talking Organics. I still think even Organics should be flushed, as well as even Soma himself will flush some of his Organics strains.

I have said more then one time that Organics is not my personal favorite way to grow. But in my 30+ years almost half of that was in Organics.

Age and experience has shown me that Hydroponics if done right and finished properly is superior to organics. Comparing the over all yield, quality, THC percentage, and time to finish.

As well as in my personal opinion even the taste is fresher and clean. You don't get that dirt flavor mixed in with the THC.

I don't smoke plant matter anymore but just vaporize the THC. You get the real flavor of the plant with out chlorophyll and plant matter burned.

[Zandor]

Zandor can the plant actually uptake the chemical components of the flusher or does it simply cause the plant to uptake more WATER than normal?

And what specifically IS the chemical component? I've been using dilute humic acid to flush the soil.


Yes it does uptake that flushing mineral.

No; I do not know what they are using. I do have some one getting me that information. He has access to a mass-spec so that will give us answers.

I believe what it does do is to alter the mineral so the plant discards them as part of the normal process is all. This will force the plant to use up the stored minerals, starches and sugars that are in the fan leafs first. Thus you get the yellow leaf at the end. As it uses up the fan leafs you can clip them as they no longer server the plant. But leave a little stem attached and don't alter the stock or branch.

The plant will start to use up the stored energy in the other leafs and the stock as well as stems too; if you flush long enough.

This will speed up the cure time and provide you with a better and healthier product in the end.

This is also why I say everyone should flush even organics.

The fear of e-coil is real for those who use real organics, think about what you are using, (products that do work and are natural yes, I use them my self) but if you think about what they are most of them are shit of some type or another, cow, chicken, fish, bat, bird just to name a few.

That knowledge alone should make you want to flush.

Don't you flush after you take a shit?

All joking aside; but the popularity of Organics is the second issue. How many companies (outside of fox farm, I love them) do you think would push their products out the door before they are ready because demand is so high and profits are huge.

In my opinion the same thing is happening to our farm land's that are going all Organics. Cross contamination of the water supply with manure and using manure that is not cured properly or stored properly. The rush to market and make money is ahead of everything else.

Now there is more spinach on recall this week alone.

Some may ask when will this shit end......pun intended.

Flush or not it's your choice, organics or not it's your choice.

As always I just provide the facts mixed in with logic, reason and experience.

Happy growing :hippy:

[TheGreenFog]

Good info, Z. :thumbsup:


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[MegaOctane12]

Well He did not say anything about organics at the start either so why would I confuse anyone. There is an organics section and this is posted in the indoor section so there is no assumption that it would be organics.



So you thought you would confuse people further by not mentioning it yourself? Good call.


If you want to try to bash me then start your own thread but be polite and show respect.

If you don't like my show then don't listen.



I don't. Hence the word 'browse', it find it boring and uninspiring but that is beside the point.



For some reason this seams like a personal attack for you against me. But if I pissed you off then I suggest you get over it or move on; QUICK!


Sorry for hurting your feelings :(



In no way shape or form did I provide any miss-information to anyone.
I posted correct and accurate information based on science. It's only you that is talking Organics. I still think even Organics should be flushed, as well as even Soma himself will flush some of his Organics strains.


Never once did I say organics does not require flushing, the extent on the flush is what I have a specifc problem with.




I have said more then one time that Organics is not my personal favorite way to grow. But in my 30+ years almost half of that was in Organics.

Age and experience has shown me that Hydroponics if done right and finished properly is superior to organics. Comparing the over all yield, quality, THC percentage, and time to finish.



Your experience is your experience need I say more.



As well as in my personal opinion even the taste is fresher and clean. You don't get that dirt flavor mixed in with the THC.

I don't smoke plant matter anymore but just vaporize the THC. You get the real flavor of the plant with out chlorophyll and plant matter burned.



:thumbsup: