Our Goal

[Rutledge]

is to leave this planet, solar system, universe and existence in a better place than when we came into it. The question is what does "better" mean?

[delusionsofNORMALity]

who the hell told you we had a goal. when i signed up for this gig, i was told that very little was expected of me. wake up in the morning (or whenever), eat, drink, defecate, enjoy myself as i can and try to do as little damage as i could in the process. i was told i could get into the whole procreation thing if i wanted to, but there were no such requirements in the contract. there were no definitions of good or bad or better or worse. no one told me i had to make any lasting effect on the cosmos and now you're telling me i'm expected to make things better. i'm calling my lawyer.

existence is its own purpose, anything else is just gravy.

[PureEvil760]

Higher in vibration, less negativity, less attachments ect. The end goal is to become ascended, you will keep re-incarnating as a human until that goal is reached. When re-incarnated, you will basically be continuing the same track you were on before you died last incarnation.

You are not told what to do, you enter a planning session with others that will be in your life and you are the one that plans everything that happens, so you are responsible for all negative aspects.

[MegaOctane12]

What if I don't 'want to become assended' ? what if I want to stay and enjoy my ups and downs? What if I place value on something completely different to what you place value? What if I have a completely different moral fibreand code of ethics? The thing I fundamentally hate most about religious regimentations and 'God' is the fact that it relys on me to sacrifice my logic and persona and line up in formation as just another faceless trooper, there's nothing individualisitc about being a holyman, your just another fish reciting something that you've had no personal hands on experience of, your just supposed to 'believe it' because it is 'the truth' and fall in line, well its not my truth and I won't.

I think our goal is life is not assendance, its transedance,.... through life, whether pain or joy, we grow as people and live 'through' experience comming out the other end, better people. The overall purpose for a configuration like this? I dunno, but I sure as hell do know what's NOT truth. What I believe to be the reality of life and death transcends all religions.

[PureEvil760]

It is purely up to you, the truth remains the truth.

[MysticGnostic]

I love the answer that comparative mythologist, Joseph Campbell gave to the question, "What is the meaning of life?"

He said, "That's such a silly question. What is the meaning of a ROSE? A rose needs no meaning. It simply IS."

By the way, I'm new here. That's why you're wondering who the hell I am. :stoned:

Follow Your Bliss,
Ben

[anandamide]

It is purely up to you, the truth remains the truth.

Can you cite any good evidence for reincarnation? Or is it just your belief?

[PureEvil760]

Can you cite any good evidence for reincarnation? Or is it just your belief?

Well if you are a sceptic than no. I can site pieces of Jesus, Kryon or Archangel Michael channelings but I'm not going to waste my time if you dont believe in it. My information and beliefs are 100% from divine spirit channelings.

[PureEvil760]

"Cosmic cycles have turned. And in their turning, even the days and the hours of thy life now numbered must be filled with light and the cup filled daily. For, beloved, if you heed me not, you will find yourself at the conclusion of this life wanting in the light necessary to make the transition to higher octaves.
"Foreseeing the world as I foresee it, I do not recommend in all cosmic honor that you plan on reembodying again on this earth."
"The hour of your fulfillment is come! Your Christhood is nigh and has been knocking at the door for many years and lifetimes. And some who have known this path and received, as it were, a mouth-to-mouth resuscitation by the chakras of the messenger have retained the light and yet not sought the mastery of light, the self-perfecting in the light, the protection of the light and the will to be as GOD IS."
-Jesus as channeled by Elizabeth Clare Prophet in the book "Walking with the Master, answering the call of Jesus"

[PureEvil760]

I opened to a random page of that book and that is what was on the page.

[Staurm]

when i signed up for this gig, i was told that very little was expected of me. wake up in the morning (or whenever), eat, drink, defecate, enjoy myself as i can and try to do as little damage as i could in the process.

Shit that's where I went wrong isn't it? I didn't sign anything! I just assumed when I arrived here that I'd inherited the earth, I didn't realise this place was over run with whip crackers and capitalists.

Damn, can anyone reccommend a lawyer?

[MegaOctane12]

It is purely up to you, the truth remains the truth.

No its your truth, not mine.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Shit that's where I went wrong isn't it? I didn't sign anything! I just assumed when I arrived here that I'd inherited the earth, I didn't realize this place was over run with whip crackers and capitalists.
you might be in this life illegally. you should have been met between your mother's knees by a clerk with the standard forms. they contain the usual bullshit such as renouncing all allegiances to any former lives, species or dimensions etc. they make you sign the contracts and swear an oath, all the normal bureaucratic garbage, then they slap you on the ass and send you on your way. it sounds as if there was a mix up in your case, it happens more often than you'd think, and you might be in danger of forfeiting your rights as a human being. i'm not sure who the proper authorities are to contact, but you should get on this right away as the entire deportation process can get quite messy. good luck.

[hazetwostep]

well the way i look at (my opinion) it is that those who have a "faith" of some sorts (statistically) live longer, healthier, and happier lives. so if there is nothing after then believing can't hurt, only let you enjoy the only time you have a little longer, healthier, and happier. if there is then you are moving in the right direction. it is a win, win!

plus i actually do believe that there is more than meets the eye to our existence.. so all i can do is go with the conclusions that i have come to. that is all anyone can do whether athiest, agnostic, or spiritual.

[MegaOctane12]

well the way i look at (my opinion) it is that those who have a "faith" of some sorts (statistically) live longer, healthier, and happier lives. so if there is nothing after then believing can't hurt, only let you enjoy the only time you have a little longer, healthier, and happier. if there is then you are moving in the right direction. it is a win, win!

plus i actually do believe that there is more than meets the eye to our existence.. so all i can do is go with the conclusions that i have come to. that is all anyone can do whether athiest, agnostic, or spiritual.

That's great... but religous belief is based on FEAR, fear of life, fear of judgement, fear of what might happen if... I say fuck that. You don't need religion to be a spritual person, granted some of the bullet point teachings of Christianity and many faiths are inherently good ethics, 'Don't kill people, Don't steal', but it ends and should be cut loose right there and then, I'm all for communion and Church every now and then because its a good sense of community and requires you to have empathy for others you otherwise wouldn't without even be aware of without that regimentation, that's all good. But in terms of religion enriching someones life, this may be true, does it run the risk of allienating that person from others around them? Most certainly.

I don't know whether your aware of this but as you go up the religious hieracy you increasingly find people who have lost touch with reality, they have never lived in the real World, so how can they possibly teach others what they have never experienced themselves? Faith is all about paradise and divinity but I think suffering and misery are just important to shaping someone, if not more so.

Take a plant for example, a cutting taken at the top of a plant has always had light, its had a breezy life, all it has to do is lap up the sun day in day out. Take a cutting at the bottom of the plant, its having to struggle for its survival, having to fight and battle its way thoughout its life. That cutting, given the chance, given the opportunity to florish, will do so, because its had it hard all its life. How is it possible not to recognise suffering and hardship as a vehicle of change to make us better, more worldy beings.

[Rutledge]

who the hell told you we had a goal. when i signed up for this gig, i was told that very little was expected of me. wake up in the morning (or whenever), eat, drink, defecate, enjoy myself as i can and try to do as little damage as i could in the process. i was told i could get into the whole procreation thing if i wanted to, but there were no such requirements in the contract. there were no definitions of good or bad or better or worse. no one told me i had to make any lasting effect on the cosmos and now you're telling me i'm expected to make things better. i'm calling my lawyer.

existence is its own purpose, anything else is just gravy.

I see nothing wrong in having a good time and enjoying yourself. I'm all about enjoying myself. I love to party and enjoy friends but I guess for me I can find fun and joy in helping others too. But doing good and making the world a better place doesn't mean you have to go out of your way. Say hi to your neighbors, hold the door for someone, don't cut people off on the highway, find positive ways to make yourself happy. Doing good in the world just means spreading positivity and fostering community. Anything beyond that is up to you. And frankly thinking you've come into this world without obligations to those around you and those you love is ignorant and sad.

[40oz]

It is purely up to you, the truth remains the truth.

Pure evil, you never cease to crack me up.

[PureEvil760]

No its your truth, not mine.

Your truth and my truth cannot differ, I was giving a factual statement. The truth is always the truth no matter what you choose to believe.

[PureEvil760]

seriously though how can you people argue with that statement "The truth remains the truth regardless of what you or those around you choose to believe" ..how indenial do you have to be

[PureEvil760]

Pure evil, you never cease to crack me up.

Good i'm glad, if I dont show love, at least theres humor.

[40oz]

Good i'm glad, if I dont show love, at least theres humor.

I hardley ever agree with anything you say but you're definatly one of my favorite posters. I just don't know why. I guess I admire your commitment to your beliefs.

[PureEvil760]

I hardley ever agree with anything you say but you're definatly one of my favorite posters. I just don't know why. I guess I admire your commitment to your beliefs.

i'll take that as a compliment, and heres a post to you: I will tell why you dont know. It is because in your deep subconsious, you already know what truth is, but consiously deny this truth. Even if you did believe me, it would'nt matter because understanding has nothing to do with enlightenment.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

And frankly thinking you've come into this world without obligations to those around you and those you love is ignorant and sad.
what is sad is to aid those around you and to do what is right just because you feel obligated. we should be able to improve life for those around us merely because it is right and we enjoy it, not because we feel we should or through fear of punishment.

this is one of the problems i have with religion, this carrot and stick mentality. in most every religion the adherents are punished for their evil deeds and rewarded for their good works, led like sheep into a lifestyle that should come naturally. whether the punishment is eternal damnation or merely the withholding of favor, it is still fear that leads the religious to do the right thing and while living in the shadow of that fear they may never be able to make that leap to the next step in their ethical evolution and know the joy of real unfettered giving.

[hazetwostep]

delusions... having grown up in a christian family (dad a pastor) and having worked in fulltime "ministry" i can say you are so right (generally speaking cause not everyone is motivated by that). it would be so beautiful if good deeds were done out of compassion and love, instead of obligation, commandment, etc.

[Pass That Shit]

"whether the punishment is eternal damnation or merely the withholding of favor, it is still fear that leads the religious to do the right thing"

What "right" thing is it that they do? And why would you knock someone for doing the right thing? If someone does the "right thing", does their motivation really matter? I guess since it's associated with God, you'll even knock someone for doing the "right thing". I just don't understand your logic. I believe the bible because it's TRUTH not because of fear. Perfect love casts out fear.

[Rutledge]

Personally I don't like religion and I don't believe in god. Myself saying that you have obligations to those around you isn't a threat and it doesn't mean do or die. A wise man once said "complete freedom is complete responsibility" and I believe those are some of the truest words ever spoken. Our obligation isn't at the threat of fire and brimstone our obligation is out of basic human decency.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

.... our obligation is out of basic human decency.
i think we are both heading in the same direction, but what you see as an obligation or debt i prefer to consider as a choice. the repayment of a debt implies relieving one's self of a burden. a gift by choice is made purely for the joy of giving.

[PureEvil760]

Fear is a great spiritual tool, anything negative is only a tool.

[Rutledge]

i think we are both heading in the same direction, but what you see as an obligation or debt i prefer to consider as a choice. the repayment of a debt implies relieving one's self of a burden. a gift by choice is made purely for the joy of giving.

I use the word obligation instead of choice because to deny it is to deny those around you and create something of no worth. The word choice to me implies that no matter what you do you are right. I believe that we are all inherently good, but it doesn't mean every action we take is good.

[Rutledge]

Fear is a great spiritual tool, anything negative is only a tool.

The sad truth, and most are more powerful than goodness.

[PureEvil760]

The sad truth, and most are more powerful than goodness.

When you hold the light, you automatically have every dark-power there is, but it would be pointless to use it at that stage.