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FrenchInhale
12-28-2004, 05:02 AM
Ok, so everyone has heard I suppose that acid makes your brain bleed and the blood goes behind your eyes and that is what makes you trip... So I am wondering... is that true? Or does it just mess with chemicals in your brain like most drugs? Also, I heard something about one making your spine drip... is that also true?
Delta9
12-28-2004, 05:46 AM
LSD is not very we'll studied because it is so illegal. The U.S. government won't let anyone do research on it, which, is unfortunate because it is so highly active. LSD takes a very small dosage to induce effects on the body and mind when compared to aspirin. Asprin reduces blood vessel constriction, LSD..., the effect is not entirely undersood. The first order hallucinations LSD induces are much different than the second order delusions brought on by alcohol and intoxicants. LSD is a true hallucinogen one of the strongest discovered. LSD is not slowly poisoning the organism like intoxicants. LSD is acting on the brain in such a way that it will produce vivid hallucinations. Whether it makes your brain bleed I hope not cause then mine would be bloody.
juggalo420
12-28-2004, 01:42 PM
it makes your chemicals go crazy like a firework show, that what makes you trip
Delta9
12-29-2004, 01:27 AM
No the fireworks come when a fire starts in the laboratory.
UserName AlphaNiner
12-29-2004, 04:20 AM
Safest hallucinagen on earth. Period.
Delta9
12-29-2004, 05:09 AM
Fireworks?
Safe?
Of course fireworks are safe for children.
LSD is safe for children as well.
FrenchInhale
12-29-2004, 08:51 AM
Safest hallucinagen on earth. Period.
Got some medical research to back this up? I want to try it but I want to make sure that it is as safe as say shrooms or pot. I know shrooms are safe if used once or twice a month.
thcbongman
12-29-2004, 11:03 PM
You can't die off acid. Just like weed.
LonerStoner
12-30-2004, 05:51 AM
You can't die off acid. Just like weed.
Maybe not, but it is definately possible to cook your noggin beyond repair if you eat too much at one time.
YabaYabaDoobie
12-30-2004, 07:04 AM
Maybe not, but it is definately possible to cook your noggin beyond repair if you eat too much at one time.
eat?
IrkenInvader
12-30-2004, 10:07 AM
yeah taking LSD is often called eating acid or whatever for some reason that's beyond me, but I'm not very experienced in the field. I think sometimes taking ecstasy is called eating x, which I remember from the excellent film "Garden State."
emusic
12-30-2004, 11:27 AM
True LSD is probably the safest hallucinogen you could possibly try. Very clean and little after effects.
Unlike what a previous person has posted > LSD IS the most researched and studied hallicinogen ever. From Hoffman's research to the covert CIA operations in the 1950's and 60's. The CIA used to give LSD to soldiers and unsuspecting citizens of the United States > students, etc... as what they thought could be mind control. It backfired on them > one of the beaties of LSD is the moments of pure and utter clarity. You can see everything in the world as it truly is, throwing away all previous perceptions. This was bad for the US government because the people they were feeding this to caught on to what was happening and revolted. When this happened the CIA scrapped their research and released huge amounts of "unclean" acid > giving undesirable side effects >> nausea, vomitting, gut ache, etc... They did by adding chemicals to the synthesis process in hopes of curbing the use of the drug. They secretly released ways to synthesize LSD that would add these chemicals also (in hopes makers and dealers - would use their recipe and distribute unclean acid). BTW if anyone ever goes to synthesize LSD > don't use any recipes that have strychnine > this is the most common "unclean" recipe and probably the one most available on the internet. The CIA is still the largest producer of LSD in the world.
Interesting LSD research information...
Students in laboratory tests given IQ tests after taking LSD > average IQ scores rose 15 points.
Spiders given LSD produce an almost perfect web > compared to spiders not on any drug. Spiders on LSD produce a better web than when exposed to any other drug.
http://www.missblackwidow.com/drugs.html
Google Search "history of LSD" and it will give you some great resources. I recommend reading an UNBIASED pharmaceuticals textbook about acid. The "Americanized" culture has been fed so much BS about the dangers of acid in order to prevent people from using it.
Kid Dynamite
12-30-2004, 11:51 PM
Well "Acid" and "LSD" are different substances. LSD is absorbed orally or throufh the skin using blotters. Acid is eaten in powder form. So thats probably why people say "eating" acid
IrkenInvader
12-31-2004, 02:16 AM
Well "Acid" and "LSD" are different substances. LSD is absorbed orally or throufh the skin using blotters. Acid is eaten in powder form. So thats probably why people say "eating" acid
Really? Wow, I'm learning so much. They should teach this stuff in school.
Syrus
12-31-2004, 02:45 AM
There is a powder form and a liquid form. the powder form is known as acid, the liquid form is jsut known as liquid LSD
Climbing High
12-31-2004, 03:06 AM
damn, i want to try it so badly, but i dont think there is any in my town. what's it like compared to salvia or mushrooms which i have done. im gonna go look into wether the bleeding behind the eyes thing is true. ill post back if i find anything. peace.
Syrus
12-31-2004, 03:34 AM
You should come to where i live. apart from near stuf like leeds and christmass theres usualy an abundance of drugs round.
Climbing High
12-31-2004, 03:39 AM
man, i wish my town had an abundance. the dealers here get mushrooms in once every few months, and they run out of weed for several weeks at a time. it fucking sucks living here. enjoy your abundance of drugs, peace.
Kid Dynamite
12-31-2004, 11:17 AM
i can buy shrooms at a shop in my town. Its legal to sellfresh ones as "botanical specimins" So no shortages for me!
Ground Zero
12-31-2004, 01:21 PM
LSD is acid, acid is LSD. Kid Dynamite, sorry ur wrong. its all LSD, weather its in liquid form or power form (hardly EVER seen) its all the same shit.
blotters are just blotting paper soaked in LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide)
peace out...
kr1Nx01
12-31-2004, 02:06 PM
Acid is to LSD as weed is to cannabis, as speed is to meth, as ecstacy is to MDMA... same exact thing, differant name for it.
sanfrancyan
12-31-2004, 03:04 PM
Maybe not, but it is definately possible to cook your noggin beyond repair if you eat too much at one time.
Thats not true. Ever heard of a thumbprint? :D Thats when you take some crystal LSD and put it in a pile and stick your thumb in it and lick it. Ive heard of people thumbprinting a gram at a time. A gram is 10,000 hits. Now thats not to say that wont change you after that :p but it wont FUCK you up for life or make you go insane.
sanfrancyan
12-31-2004, 03:22 PM
LSD is LSD-25 a chemical synthesized by Albert Hoffman in the 40's. It was the 25 of the LSD's. It didnt have the properties that they were looking for(some sort of medicine) and was put in storage. Supposedly Hoffman began having dreams about LSD-25 where he was seeing the chemical structure and thought it was worth another look. He began running studys and accidentally ingested some, probobly through the skin from handling. He began tripping and when he came down he began thinking about it and later did an experiment. He ingested a large amount thinking it was a small dose because since this was the 2nd LSD trip in history the potency was not known. Much research on LSD has been preformed and it is known to be one of the safest drugs in the world. Used responsibly and sparingly LSD is safer than smoking weed. It doesnt make your brain bleed, it doesnt collect in your spine, it wont make you go crazy unless there is already an underlying mental illness. I believe it is here for a reason why else was it discovered during the worst time in history? Its the cure to the atomic bomb, they came out at the same time.
robert42
12-31-2004, 06:19 PM
i want lsd but no 1 up norf london has it :(
Nullific
12-31-2004, 06:29 PM
Holy fucking shit there is a lot of bull flying around this thread.
Ok, so everyone has heard I suppose that acid makes your brain bleed and the blood goes behind your eyes and that is what makes you trip... So I am wondering... is that true? Or does it just mess with chemicals in your brain like most drugs? Also, I heard something about one making your spine drip... is that also true?
No none of that is fucking true. Not a damn word of it. LSD does not make your brain bleed, it does not damage neurons, it does not stay in your body forever nor does it cause damage to chromosomes. THERE IS NO STRYCHNINE IN BLOTTER. This is all grade A 1960s government bullshit and you should all be fucking ashamed of yourselves for believing it.
LSD is a tryptamine, related distantly to other tryptamines such as psilocybin and DMT. It has a higher affinity to the 5-HT receptors than serotonin itself.
Fucking go to EROWID before you believe dumb shit like that again.
Ahh you don't even understand how disappointed I am.
http://www.erowid.org
thcbongman
12-31-2004, 06:36 PM
I just want to point out on one inaccuracy.
LSD is not a tryptamine. It's close but not quite.
Nullific
12-31-2004, 06:53 PM
Although LSD is not a tryptamine its molecular structure includes that of the tryptamine molecule.
Fair enough.
Delta9
01-01-2005, 03:06 AM
It's LSD dude.
It makes you trip.
LSD is not an amphetamine like MDMA, TSA,...ect.
It's a hallucinogen.
You get fucked up when you eat LSD.
LSD.
zoarist
01-01-2005, 03:28 AM
never underestimate the shroom might give u a suprise one night,mind u depend wat shrooms your taking,ever tried the liberty caps truly a magic shroom
zoarist
01-01-2005, 03:42 AM
nice 1,thats the prob withe illegal drugs 2 much misinfo and hearsay,if anybody gets chance read aldous huxleys doors of perception in wich he gives an acount of his lsd ingestion also flashbacks by timothy leary the acid guru
zoarist
01-01-2005, 03:48 AM
acid refers 2 part of chemical name of lsd,lysyrgic acid
Delta9
01-01-2005, 03:51 AM
You see Timothy Leary fucked everything up because he encouraged students to drop out.
By telling students to drop out the facuality found out and did not like it, so, they said
"LSD sucks!"
And then... Eventually congress said:"your right!"
And Before they knew it it.
LSD was illegal.
And then so was marijuana.
Ohh some fucking stone fucker could not keep it right in his head.
zoarist
01-01-2005, 03:58 AM
its not their fault,its the shit propaganda that they are fed by those who continualy want to dumb us down
zoarist
01-01-2005, 04:02 AM
u cant fault him 4 wanting 2 open peoples minds
zoarist
01-01-2005, 04:14 AM
the faculty were runing tests withe lsd and tim just happen 2 b the prof who they employed 2 study these tests,i think they got scared and thats y he was persucuted for a long period of his life purely 4 the reason that he new the potential and posibilities of lsd 2 expand peoples conscious
Delta9
01-01-2005, 05:14 AM
We'll congress got enough shit to worry about nowadays.
You know the coming of "the final judgement" ohh... fucking A'.
I'll be in hell, but,... none the less...
Nuclear Weapons?...
And Any other "fucked up" threat to mankind?...
Frost.
01-02-2005, 09:15 PM
i can buy shrooms at a shop in my town. Its legal to sellfresh ones as "botanical specimins" So no shortages for me!
what species is it? http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml
The shrooms you find in the cowfields here in Florida are the P. cubensis
According to the chart, they have the highest percentage of PSILOCIN. I don't know what that does, but they are just average in percent of PSILOCYBIN.
sanfrancyan
01-03-2005, 07:26 PM
what species is it? http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml
The shrooms you find in the cowfields here in Florida are the P. cubensis
According to the chart, they have the highest percentage of PSILOCIN. I don't know what that does, but they are just average in percent of PSILOCYBIN.
In the smart shops there is a variety of active species tha you can purchase legaly in the UK. Cubensis is a moderatly potent species, good but not the best by faaaar
essentially LSD resembles seratonin, seratonin being the chemical in nerve communiciations, and sort of causes false communication between the brain and nerves thus causing the hallucinations.
Nullific
03-31-2005, 11:59 PM
Delta9 you say this a lot
You see Timothy Leary fucked everything up because he encouraged students to drop out.
I very seriously doubt he meant drop out as in school.
He said:
Six words: drop out, turn on, then come back and tune it in... and then drop out again, and turn on, and tune it back in... it's a rhythm... most of us think God made this universe in nature-subject object-predicate sentences... turn on, tune in, drop out... period, end of paragraph. Turn the page... it's all a rhythm... it's all a beat. You turn on, you find it inside, and then you have to come back (since you can't stay high all the time) and you have to build a better model. But don't get caught - don't get hooked - don't get attracted by the thing you're building, cause... you gotta drop out again. It's a cycle. Turn on, tune in, drop out. Keep it going, keep it going... the nervous system works that way... gotta keep it flowing, keep it flowing...
In fact I am fairly certain he meant 'drop out' as in comming down from the trip and analysing it, dropping out of society, away from conformity...not school.
Delta9
04-01-2005, 12:35 AM
hymm. what was I writing? Or Why was I writing this?
Yea I'm sure your right.
LearyS Disciple
04-03-2005, 03:16 AM
yeah nullific is right. he wasnt exactly talking about dropping out of school as much as he was talking about society.
i really like timothy leary (hence my name) and i really disagree with you about how he ruined it for everyone, but you areentitled to an opinion...
ganja is my game
04-04-2005, 04:23 AM
Maybe not, but it is definately possible to cook your noggin beyond repair if you eat too much at one time.
I heard the same thing, a guy in my town got too much lsd on a blotter and fried his brain now he is like tripping all the time or retarded or somthing. Maybe his blotter was cut with something???
Delta9
04-04-2005, 04:45 AM
yea your right. I guess I should have not jumped to conclusions about leary. It's just the 60's - 70's were carzy times.
The guy in your town ganja that took blotters could have had cut doses but LSD is a bizzar drug and i'm sure it effects different people in many different ways.
ganja is my game
04-04-2005, 05:57 AM
but all said and done, i want some fucking LSD, ive never done it but it sounds amazing. Does anyone have any good storys that they would like to share about cid trips?? If so lets hear them dammit!
my friend says the best place to trip on acid is at a string cheese incident concert.
Nullific
04-04-2005, 07:48 PM
Cut blotter?
Blotter hits are small, not much material will fit on it. This is why it is a good medium for LSD, being active at dosages in the micrograms. Your blotter either contains nothing or LSD. (Of course there is ALD-52 which decomposes into LSD quickly)
ganja is my game
04-05-2005, 03:37 AM
Cut blotter?
Blotter hits are small, not much material will fit on it. This is why it is a good medium for LSD, being active at dosages in the micrograms. Your blotter either contains nothing or LSD. (Of course there is ALD-52 which decomposes into LSD quickly)
if it wasnt cut then that means he would have had too much on one blotter because he is completly fucked up! he walks around town all fried out of his dome.
LearyS Disciple
04-05-2005, 03:45 AM
thatll also happen if u take to much in a short period of time. like if u do it everyday.
but if you have an underlying mental disorder that is not present but still there, acid can trigger that. sounds like that person u are talking about has schizophrenia
gregdrans
04-05-2005, 03:49 AM
Ok them who does know about LSD>? Tell me how to make it?????????
Holy fucking shit there is a lot of bull flying around this thread.
No none of that is fucking true. Not a damn word of it. LSD does not make your brain bleed, it does not damage neurons, it does not stay in your body forever nor does it cause damage to chromosomes. THERE IS NO STRYCHNINE IN BLOTTER. This is all grade A 1960s government bullshit and you should all be fucking ashamed of yourselves for believing it.
LSD is a tryptamine, related distantly to other tryptamines such as psilocybin and DMT. It has a higher affinity to the 5-HT receptors than serotonin itself.
Fucking go to EROWID before you believe dumb shit like that again.
Ahh you don't even understand how disappointed I am.
http://www.erowid.org
gregdrans
04-05-2005, 03:52 AM
Does any one know how to make lsd.???????
Bspectral
04-05-2005, 04:50 AM
maybe a chemist could do it with the right equipment. Check out a chemistry site and substances they make. or just buy it for 4$ a hit or 3 for 10$. Hits cost about the same as seeds.
ganja is my game
04-05-2005, 05:11 AM
No one will tell you how to make LSD because it is illegal!!!!!!
ganja is my game
04-05-2005, 05:11 AM
Paranioa or is it "THE MAN" ? ^^^
andruejaysin
04-05-2005, 06:14 AM
I'll tell you, if you really want to know, but I'm a pretty good underground chemist, and LSD is beyond my abilities, more because of the difficulties aquiring chemicals than the process it's self. Both lysergic acid and diethylamine are list 1 chemicals. Under no circumstances should you even dream of ordering either, cops come just behind them. Lysergic acid can be made from LSA, diethethlamine from ethyl iodide and ammonia. But understand, this is serious chemistry, not for beginers!
IanCurtisWishlist
04-05-2005, 09:05 AM
How nice. I'm planning on majoring in chemistry because i plan on becoming a pharmacist...i don't know anything about organic chemistry yet, really, because i haven't attended class at the university yet. i'd love to know where i could get some information on psychoactive chemicals and their chemistry.
gregdrans
04-05-2005, 02:45 PM
Yes! But every thing starts some where? I,m not a chemist, not even a uni student. Just a jack of all trades. But i can do it! If you tell me how. to get from point a to Z. And i am sure from the very inteligent replys i am getting. That if we all put our very constructive minds together we could all do the exsperiment at home, Together. With out any one knowing right! I t can be our secrect" Right. OK! Just for research. Seeing no body wants to let us experiment. Sure we can not buy certain chemicals because of the C I A. Right! So we have to make the chemicals top make the chemicals to make the chemicals to make the chemicals, Right! So I,ll Start with water! got to be there some where, right! Can we do this????
Mostasteless
04-05-2005, 06:18 PM
im down
LearyS Disciple
04-06-2005, 12:05 AM
if u can do this, then u are a genius. because this is the real way to make acid and im 99% sure that none of u can do this, and pretty sure none of u can get the materials either, unless u are a professional chemist or a school science teacher
http://www.hallucinogens.com/lsd/
ganja is my game
04-06-2005, 05:01 AM
Yes! But every thing starts some where? I,m not a chemist, not even a uni student. Just a jack of all trades. But i can do it! If you tell me how. to get from point a to Z. And i am sure from the very inteligent replys i am getting. That if we all put our very constructive minds together we could all do the exsperiment at home, Together. With out any one knowing right! I t can be our secrect" Right. OK! Just for research. Seeing no body wants to let us experiment. Sure we can not buy certain chemicals because of the C I A. Right! So we have to make the chemicals top make the chemicals to make the chemicals to make the chemicals, Right! So I,ll Start with water! got to be there some where, right! Can we do this????
you've got to be kidding me, look at this post and tell me you dont think something is wierd, i mean this is his 3rd post, all 3 posts have been on this thread, this is a cannabis board so why would someone join just to ask about acid and talk people into making it illegally! come on people think about this.
DROSKI187
04-06-2005, 04:29 PM
i just got blotter for the first time in 3 months becuz its so god damn rare here i bought 4 tabs for $12 cant fuckin beat that i was so phened when i got them friday night licked the hell outta 2 tabs and ate them the same for sat night dunno y i ate prolly just phenin too much triped my balls off :) NEED MORE NOW EMAIL =
[email protected]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LearyS Disciple
04-06-2005, 08:50 PM
you've got to be kidding me, look at this post and tell me you dont think something is wierd, i mean this is his 3rd post, all 3 posts have been on this thread, this is a cannabis board so why would someone join just to ask about acid and talk people into making it illegally! come on people think about this.
damn man. i think youre right lol. he has 3 posts and all 3 have been on this acid thread. weird. well if u do work for the fucking FBI or shit, tell them im gonna put my balls in their mouth
haha im pretty high
andruejaysin
04-07-2005, 12:19 AM
I'm gonna correct myself, before someone else does, lysergic acid is not a list 1 chemical, it's a schedule 3 prescription drug (depressant) with no approved use. Predates the DEA list, probably. Either way, buy it, do not pass go, go directly to jail! If you're serious about making acid, get about a hundred pounds of MSGs, an isolated farm (solvents and ammonia reak) about 10 grand in cash for chemicals, lab equipment, and at least a couple years college chemistry.
Dick Justice
04-07-2005, 01:48 AM
^^ And don't forget to pick up some eggs, we're out of eggs.
andruejaysin
04-07-2005, 03:13 AM
OK here it is-1 gram lysergic acid pyrazole and 30 ml diethylamine are placed in a flask wrapped in tin foil (light fucks this shit up) mix well, and let sit 24 hours.Distill Diethylamine under vacuum. This is LSD freebase. Dissolve in 3/1 mixture of benzene/chloroform. Distill through chromatography column, about 3000 ml will be needed to move LSD through column. Add 1 gram tartaric acid to 3 grams LSD freebase. Dissollve in methanol and add ether until crystals precipitate. Evaporate under vacuum. This is pretty pure LSD. Don't have lysergic acid pyrazole or diethylamine, or tartaric acid just setting around? Sorry, I never said it was gonna be easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4everstoned1212
04-08-2005, 05:20 AM
i agree that there is no brain bleeding or any retarted bullshit like, and lsd is an amazing drug(and just to clarify its not one of the most potent hallucinogens known it is by wieght, by far the most potent substance known to man needing only 20 [I]micrograms to produce effect) but anyone who tells you its harmless in the long run is using propaganda just on the other side of the coin from the government-just ask anyone who was actually alive in san francisco in the 60s-there are thousands of people who went completly nuts from habitual use-theyre called acid casualties and they are very real
moderate use is perfectly fine though-just dont trip out and fall in well and end up as an anti-drug statistic
IanCurtisWishlist
04-11-2005, 11:51 PM
I have heard of very small traces of strychnine in LSD, but only to preserve it. I forget where i heard/read this, and even I don't believe this.
It's impossible to put enough strychnine on blotter to cause any harm.
Im pretty sure the strychnine story was bullshit made up by our imperialist nazi friends from the DEA and the idiots in the white house.
andruejaysin
04-12-2005, 03:38 AM
Cops want you to believe there is strychnine in LSD so you won't trip. Believe them if you want to, more acid for those of us to smart to fall for it.
Delta9
04-12-2005, 03:53 AM
I think it would be possible to put enough Strychnine on a blotter to cause poisoning, but the only reason I could think of that someone would put strychnine on slips of paper and sell it as acid would be to rip them off. But my guess is that The Robert Crown Center would sell students strychine and tell them it was LSD to stay in business.
ganja is my game
04-12-2005, 03:53 AM
is it true that acid can fuck up your chromosomes??? because thats what i heard.
Delta9
04-12-2005, 04:04 AM
Yea I think LSD can alter your chromosomes. I think what it is, is that it increases the number of breakages in your DNA which would mean it would be more likely for your geans to mutate. I don't know if it has been proven however, You would probably have to search a medical journals database and see what you could find on the topic.
Bspectral
04-12-2005, 04:09 AM
it was already made 40 - 50 years ago so it should be even better now
andruejaysin
04-12-2005, 04:15 AM
I don't know, show me the deformed babies, my mom tripped lots of times, both before and during her pregnancy, I have two arms, legs, eyes, ect. And so does the rest of my generation, except fpr the thallidimide babies (government approved drug!)
Delta9
04-12-2005, 04:27 AM
That is true andru. Lots of the studies they did on illegal drugs was done on animals. Of course all drug studies are done on animals, usually mice and rabbits. I know for a fact that research on LSD was done by giving monkeys acid. But think about it, giving a monkey LSD, the monkeys dosen't kno9w he's gonna start tripping, so of course the monkeys going to go crazy.
Delta9
04-12-2005, 04:31 AM
Ohh yea Thalidomide. The Tetrogenic agent that was once used to treat morning sickness and ended up causing birth defects. The (-) isomer was the one causing the damage.
Edgar
04-12-2005, 03:05 PM
Lsd doesn't alter ur chromosomes, thats total bs, just more propaganda from the gov. They did a test where they put huge doses of lsd directly on cells, and the control substances (asprin, and caffein in think) did more damage to the chromosomes than the acid did. Besides, when its taken, its taken in far smaller doses, and never does any significant amount ever come in contact with any one cell, like it did in the experiment.
Delta9
04-12-2005, 04:35 PM
I actually believe you on that one edgar. I would not doubt that daily doses of DXM in the rang of 700-1000mg would cause more chromosomal breakage that a couple blotters once awhile.
Delta9
04-12-2005, 04:43 PM
I am also supprised that someone has not found a way to synthetically convert DXM into heroin yet just look at the structures. All you need to do is form an epoxide in the middle, a double bond on the bottem, and add two acetyl groups and wouldnet you know..
Syrus
04-12-2005, 04:59 PM
Bloddy hell they are pretty similar, no one tell the DEA :D
Edgar
04-12-2005, 05:03 PM
Dxm is the mirror image of some type of opiate, i forget which one.
Delta9
04-12-2005, 05:20 PM
Thats what confused me because I think that the structure of DXM is actually the opposite enatiomer of the one I posted, which means that it could not be converted to morphine and finally heroin. I am not into heroin but I think it is interesting. So the sturcture for DXM posted may be wrong. I was also reading about meth. And I guess you can get ethyl ether from staring fluid, I don't make meth. either its all theoretical, for the fun of chemistry. but the page said to wash the starting fuel with water. But I would probably wash it with a sodium chloride solution once, then with water three times and them distill at abou 30-32C. That would probably make it more suited to use as a solvent.
Delta9
04-12-2005, 06:53 PM
None the less I'm sure the authorites have already read this because I'm sure they monitor the web, so they probably know who I am aready. It's not a biggie though I got nothing to hide. Ethyl ether has its use for other things aside from making illegal drugs so purifying ether from starting fluid makes for a nice organic chem. exercise. THC synthesis would be smoother than making ACid or heroin or other nasty shit like meth. cause THC is not very harmfull to you body like narcotics and amphetaimes/hallucinogens/designers.
Delta9
04-12-2005, 07:04 PM
yea see the MSDS for starting fluid shows it contains about 40-70% diethyl ether, 5-10% CO2, and 25-60% heptane. Given the boiling point. of diethyl ether is 34.51C and the boiling point of heptane is at 98.42C, they could definitly be separated by distillation, at 30-35C first and then 98-100C or so. I bet there would be some resin left in the pot after the fluid has been completely distilled.
Nullific
04-12-2005, 07:19 PM
I am also supprised that someone has not found a way to synthetically convert DXM into heroin yet just look at the structures. All you need to do is form an epoxide in the middle, a double bond on the bottem, and add two acetyl groups and wouldnet you know..
DXM is an anologue of levorphanol, which is an opioid. The DXM Faq has a little information about this
11.6.2 Levorphanol / Levomethorphan
These compounds would most likely have opiate activity. Unfortunately, as someone (wish I remembered who!) once put it, the isomer fairy isn't going to descend from heaven and wave her magic wand. You'd basically have to get the cross bridge to flip around (if you could do this, the hydrogens would probably conform as desired). Good luck! Personally, I don't think it can be done, at least not easily. By the time you got the lab and chemicals to do it, it'd probably be easier just to make methylfentanyl from scratch.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_chemistry.shtml#toc.11.6.2
Delta9
04-12-2005, 07:29 PM
That is true I would not make heroin or anything for that matter, I don't have any lab equiptment anyway or any place to set it up. But its a good synthesis problem, mabey when I have some time I'll solve it. And I agree that making opiates would definitely bring the DEA into your home pretty quickly. There probably litte info about it cause no one has figured it out, let alone fiqure out the equilibrium, optimum conditions and relative quantites of reagents involved in the procedure.
Edgar
04-12-2005, 07:59 PM
THC synthesis would be smoother than making ACid or heroin or other nasty shit like meth
THC is supposed to be one of the hardest drugs of all to make synthetically, thats why there are only like 1 or 2 chemical manufacturers of dronibinol (synthetic THC) in the whole world.
Delta9
04-13-2005, 12:26 AM
Hymm. theres different ways to do it because there different kinds of THC derivatives.
I know that one method for synthesizing (-)-delta1-Tetrahydrocannabinol can be done in a simple one step process by reacting p-mentha-2,8-dien-1-ol with olivetol giving about a 50% yield. Theres diferent ways it can be done, I think most of them involve the adddition of two compounds together. one of the addition reactants seem to be compounds with 1,3-hydroxysubstituted benzene rings with a organic substituent in the 5 position on the aromatic ring. They are more or less special reagents, so they are probably very hard to come by.
Nullific
04-13-2005, 01:00 AM
The Rhodium had/has a 60 someodd paged document about THC synthesis as well as other information.
The Rhodium is offline for some reason, has been for a while though a mirror can be found here http://www.drugs-forum.com/chemistry/ it has very little content.
Delta9
04-13-2005, 03:55 AM
My guess is that drug companies are trying to keep it secret. I think thats fucking bullshit that some drug company could patent THC. Marijuana has been around for centuries they seem to think that they can just take plants extract the components and say that they own the compound and no one else can sell it or manufacture it without there involvemnet and approval.
It's sort of like the first people that got rich off oil. All they were just some morons who figured out how to pump the oil out of the ground, crack it and refine it. You ever seen the Beverly Hillbillies? We'll they look like the Bush administration if you ask me.
Delta9
04-13-2005, 04:01 AM
Oh heres a little story bout a man named Jed..
Up came ou came a bubbling crud.
Oil that is Texas black gold.
And then the neighbor said hey move away from there.
We George and Jethro B_sh, one bigg hibilly family.
Delta9
04-13-2005, 04:29 AM
ahhh, Thats alwright I guess, I'm pretty much a wetback myself anyway.
kaecky2005
04-26-2005, 01:52 PM
lsd has been studied for a very long time in the 70s by albert hoffman and timothy leary to the extent they took acid everyday and documented it for about six months and gave their notes to various scientists to study and there is actually about 100 books on acid and its effects, basicly it works on your seratonin levels just like any other drug except its stronger and a hallucinogen in that aspect it doesnt make anything bleed or make you drip spinal fluid it just works on the brain like any other drug any other questiond ASK!!
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