What happens when you're an atheist in America?

[darth stoner]

YouTube - Atheism in America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2vf_nijscc)

unbelievable..

[smoke it]

what can yo do... shit happens and all one can do is deal with it.

[Antihero867]

Wow thats horriable. I am really starting to get pissed at the message that some of these churches are sending these days. They teach that christianity is the only way and if you arnt a christian then you are a bad person. I am a christian myself but i dont beleive in these traditional churches that teach more hate thain love. Jesus once said "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Mathew 5:43-44. Now even though this girl was not their enemy it still follows the same principals. I really hope that they win their law suite.

[stinkyattic]

What happens when you're an atheist in America?.

Jerry Falwell tells God to blacklist you. :jointsmile:

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

[darth stoner]

I forgive you, stinky :P

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Jerry Falwell tells God to blacklist you. :jointsmile:

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

at least now he can do it in person.

[stinkyattic]

at least now he can do it in person.

I suspect he has to get on the hotline to do it.. kind of the same sort of hotline that one would have to get on if you wanted to call Ronald Reagan from Gorbachev's office...

[Jah420]

Damn it's been removed..

Haha it says summit when most of the youtube links posted on these forums come up "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation"

Smell the controversy :S5:

[higher4hockey]

i think that girl was asking for it. granted its not right what happened, but she could have easily kept her mouth shut. i was a basketball player in high school and my team prayed before games. i didnt make a big stink out of it, i bowed my head with everyone else. i didnt pray, but i didnt feel the need to start screaming bloody murder and alert the press that my rights were being violated.

[Nailhead]

missed the movie....so what happened?

[PureEvil760]

did'nt get to see it b4 it was deleated..DIE ATHIESTS DIE! lol

[B.Basher]

It's been removed, but I suspect it woulda just pissed me off anyway.

[The Green Reaper]

why was it removed? What happened?

[rebgirl420]

I dunno...im a atheist and most people just leave me be. Sometimes you get the whole "why?" question and they'll tell you that you need to be saved but thats rare anymore.

[Divadish]

I'm quite proud of the fact that i am atheist, i don't shout it from the rooftops but if asked i will explain my reasons and how very comfortable i am with my non-belief. Darwins the man.;)

[TommyJ]

It's the other way around in the UK. Most people now will think you're a bit loopy if you believe in God.

And quite rightly.

[RamblerGambler]

Makes me glad Im not in a small town. Though here in the bible belt, that hardly matters. Religion will be forced on you regardless of what you believe. Or at least they'll try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL3LY09PP_Y

[ThePeacockNamethTom]

It's the other way around in the UK. Most people now will think you're a bit loopy if you believe in God.

And quite rightly.

So people who believe in God are loopy?

You must not have a good-understanding of physics, quantum physics or theoretical sciences. You see, according to known physics the Universe shouldn't even exist.

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its
existence.
2. The universe began to exist.

2.1 Argument based on the impossibility of an
actual infinite.

2.11 An actual infinite cannot exist.
2.12 An infinite temporal regress of
events is an actual infinite.
2.13 Therefore, an infinite temporal
regress of events cannot exist.

2.2 Argument based on the impossibility of
the formation of an actual infinite by
successive addition.

2.21 A collection formed by successive
addition cannot be actually infinite.
2.22 The temporal series of past events
is a collection formed by successive
addition.
2.23 Therefore, the temporal series of
past events cannot be actually
infinite.

3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its
existence.

I mean, do you know *how* remarkably fine-tuned the Universe is? According to Weinberg, if the energy during the big-bang was different by 10^120, or
1
_
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000

How about the Earth's placement? Or the fact that everything in the Universe can be defined and expressed in terms of the 1.618, or Phi?

God is expressed in the mathematics of the Universe, He is the math, but is he is also much, much more. The Universe is clearly designed, there is no such thing as coincidence (any statistician can tell you that), and there is clearly a Designer.

Do not doubt, because you are thinking of the Judeo-Christian version, which is only a version, not the real thing. No one knows, but trust me, there is something that makes the gears turn.

P.S.
Darwinian Evolution is the biggest falsehood ever. You should re-read the Theory of Evolution, which is far more complicated and different than what you hear in the media and grade-school. Evolution is true, but not Darwin's ideology - not mention, he never once used the word "evolution." He said "tendency to progression," not evolution, which implies that the the population has undergone an improvement.

[higher4hockey]

did you guys ever hear george carling take then ten commandments and boil it all down to one commandment? if not he basically took all the commandments and through george carlin logic came up with this one commandment : keep thy religion to thyself!

[ThePeacockNamethTom]

did you guys ever hear george carling take then ten commandments and boil it all down to one commandment? if not he basically took all the commandments and through george carlin logic came up with this one commandment : keep thy religion to thyself!

George Carlin is, quite-frankly, retarded.

Not to mention, that is, as I stated above, an aspect of the Judeo-Christian interpretation of what God is.

God in the Old Testament is a hypocrite. He says thou shall not kill, yet orders the Jews to commit genocide against the races next to them.

Have you ever heard of freelance Monotheism, New Age Spirituality or the Tao Te Ching?

Also in the above post, if the Weinberg initial energy was different by that much, life could not exist in the Universe.

[higher4hockey]

George Carlin is, quite-frankly, retarded.

Not to mention, that is, as I stated above, an aspect of the Judeo-Christian interpretation of what God is.

God in the Old Testament is a hypocrite. He says thou shall not kill, yet orders the Jews to commit genocide against the races next to them.

Have you ever heard of freelance Monotheism, New Age Spirituality or the Tao Te Ching?

Also in the above post, if the Weinberg initial energy was different by that much, life could not exist in the Universe.


what are you talking about ? :wtf:

[The Green Reaper]

No one knows, but trust me, there is something that makes the gears turn.

I agree that this seems like a logical hypothesis from our limited human perspective. I do not believe it is plausible that the religious ideals of a god had anything to do with it though.

Regarding the so called improbability of the universe we do not have enough information to make an accurate mathematical prediction. How many universes are there? How many times has it potentially expanded and contracted allowing for many different resulting expressions of the energy in the universe. We dont even know with certainty the size of the universe.

Essentially we still do not know why we are here or even if there is a comprehendable reason. It could perhaps be equivalent to an ant learning calculus its just too complex for us to presently (and perhaps ever) understand. The ideas of gods were and still are easy and conforting explanations of the unexplainable drawn upon human desires and emotion. In my opinion the plausibility of a being with thought processes and anything to do with human desires, emotions and activities while a pleasant thought is not a plausible explanation.

[ThePeacockNamethTom]

I agree that this seems like a logical hypothesis from our limited human perspective. I do not believe it is plausible that the religious ideals of a god had anything to do with it though.

Regarding the so called improbability of the universe we do not have enough information to make an accurate mathematical prediction. How many universes are there? How many times has it potentially expanded and contracted allowing for many different resulting expressions of the energy in the universe. We dont even know with certainty the size of the universe.

Essentially we still do not know why we are here or even if there is a comprehendable reason. It could perhaps be equivalent to an ant learning calculus its just too complex for us to presently (and perhaps ever) understand. The ideas of gods were and still are easy and conforting explanations of the unexplainable drawn upon human desires and emotion. In my opinion the plausibility of a being with thought processes and anything to do with human desires, emotions and activities while a pleasant thought is not a plausible explanation.

I would say that God/Tao is omnipotent, or at least its actions are, but that it is sentient in a way that is incompressible to human beings. Also, I take an absurdist viewpoint on the Universe in relation to mankind.

Actually, we do have enough information and understanding of physics to make an accurate prediction about the plausibility of the Universe. We do not, however, have an accurate or complete understanding of Quantum physics.

Also, the Universe doesn't expand and contract, it is continues to expand. Our Universe is continuing to expand, and building speed. The Universe will likely continue this action until Heat Death, not the Big Crunch.

Your hypothesis as to the where the belief in God originates, is also inadequate and an example of pseudo-profundity. Where the belief in a Creator originates from is unknown. Speculation, purely.

The fact of the matter is absence of evidence does not equate to evidence of absence.

P.S.
In answer to your query, Higher4Hockey, I may have been rambling; I tend to do that. I quit smoking cigarettes, so my posts likely reflect my addled-minded brain, ATM. Without cigarettes, I tend to become confused and/or go on tangents.

[Maverick15963]

Tom-


1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its
existence.
2. The universe began to exist.

You're a Christian, or something similar, so, I'll disprove your theory of a Single God creating the universe.

Since you think God created the universe, God must've existed beforehand in order to create it, because according to the Bible, he did (and it wouldn't make sense without him). Since God exists, something must've caused his existence, therefore, God must've been made by something that was around before him (possibly in a different dimension, universe, etc.). Therefore, the theory of One True God being the highest power is disproved because something must've caused his existence. Whatever created God had to exist as well, so, we go up and up and up until we pass out from typing "Whatever created the creator of the Creator of the Creator of the Creator ... of God had to exist, so something must've been around to create him."

Personally, I believe most of the Christian views of treating others and such, and think the Bible is a great book for teaching morals (the New Testament anyway, the old testament God is very asshole-ish), but my afterlife beliefs are more Buddhist than any other mainstream religion.

I forget what this topic was about...

[TommyJ]

So people who believe in God are loopy?

You must not have a good-understanding of physics, quantum physics or theoretical sciences. You see, according to known physics the Universe shouldn't even exist.

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its
existence.
2. The universe began to exist.

2.1 Argument based on the impossibility of an
actual infinite.

2.11 An actual infinite cannot exist.
2.12 An infinite temporal regress of
events is an actual infinite.
2.13 Therefore, an infinite temporal
regress of events cannot exist.

2.2 Argument based on the impossibility of
the formation of an actual infinite by
successive addition.

2.21 A collection formed by successive
addition cannot be actually infinite.
2.22 The temporal series of past events
is a collection formed by successive
addition.
2.23 Therefore, the temporal series of
past events cannot be actually
infinite.

3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its
existence.

I mean, do you know *how* remarkably fine-tuned the Universe is? According to Weinberg, if the energy during the big-bang was different by 10^120, or
1
_
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000

How about the Earth's placement? Or the fact that everything in the Universe can be defined and expressed in terms of the 1.618, or Phi?

God is expressed in the mathematics of the Universe, He is the math, but is he is also much, much more. The Universe is clearly designed, there is no such thing as coincidence (any statistician can tell you that), and there is clearly a Designer.

Do not doubt, because you are thinking of the Judeo-Christian version, which is only a version, not the real thing. No one knows, but trust me, there is something that makes the gears turn.

P.S.
Darwinian Evolution is the biggest falsehood ever. You should re-read the Theory of Evolution, which is far more complicated and different than what you hear in the media and grade-school. Evolution is true, but not Darwin's ideology - not mention, he never once used the word "evolution." He said "tendency to progression," not evolution, which implies that the the population has undergone an improvement.


Sorry, but..... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Thanks :jointsmile:.

[Hardcore Newbie]

How about the Earth's placement? Or the fact that everything in the Universe can be defined and expressed in terms of the 1.618, or Phi?

God is expressed in the mathematics of the Universe, He is the math, but is he is also much, much more. The Universe is clearly designed, there is no such thing as coincidence (any statistician can tell you that), and there is clearly a Designer.Then why is my forearm only 1.3 times the size of my hand? I must be a bad design. Phi when relating to the real world rarely works, unless you have optimal settings, aka settings that phi will work on.

And about coincidences, how about the ever popular:

- Lincoln's name has 7 letters - Kennedy's name has 7 letters
- Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846 - Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946
- Lincoln was elected president in 1860 - Kennedy was elected president in 1960
- Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln
- War was thrust upon Lincoln almost immediately after inauguration - War was thrust upon Kennedy almost immediately after inauguration
- Lincoln ordered the Treasury to print its own money - Kennedy ordered the Treasury to print its own money
- International bankers may have arranged the assassinations of Lincoln and Kennedy
- Lincoln gave negroes freedom and legalized equality - Kennedy enforced equality for negroes
- Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address on November 19, 1863 - Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963
- Lincoln was loved by the common people and hated by the establishment - Kennedy was loved by the common people and hated by the establishment
- Lincoln was succeeded, after assassination, by vice-president Johnson - Kennedy was succeeded, after assassination, by vice-president Johnson
- Andrew Johnson was born in 1808 - Lyndon Johnson was born in 1908
- Andrew Johnson's name has 13 letters - Lyndon Johnson's name has 13 letters
- Lincoln was sitting beside his wife when he was shot - Kennedy was sitting beside his wife when he was shot
- Lincoln was shot on a Friday - Kennedy was shot on a Friday
- Lincoln was shot in a theatre named Ford - Kennedy was shot in a car made by Ford
- Kennedy was shot in a car named Lincoln
- Lincoln's bodyguard was away from his post at the door of the President's box at the theatre - Kennedy's bodyguards were away from their posts on the running-boards of the President's car
- Lincoln was shot in a theatre and his assassin ran to a warehouse - JFK was shot from a warehouse and his alleged assassin ran to a theatre
- Lincoln's assassin had a three-worded name, John Wilkes Booth - Kennedy's alleged assassin had a three-worded name, Lee Harvey Oswald
- John Wilkes Booth has 15 letters - Lee Harvey Oswald has 15 letters
- John Wilkes Boothe was born in 1839 - Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939
- Lincoln and Kennedy died in places beginning with the initials P and H - Lincoln died in Petersen's house - Kennedy died in Parkland Hospital
- Booth was shot and killed* in police custody before going to trial - Oswald was shot and killed in police custody before going to trial
- Kennedy's funeral was modelled on Lincoln's funeral
- Andrew Johnson was a heavy drinker with crude behaviour - Lyndon Johnson was a heavy drinker with crude behaviour
- There were conspiracy theories that Johnson was knowledgeable about Lincoln's assassination - There were conspiracy theories that Johnson was knowledgeable about Kennedy's assassination**
- Days before it happened Lincoln told his wife and friends about a dream he'd had of being shot by an assassin - Hours before it happened Kennedy told his wife and friends it would be easy for an assassin to shoot him from a crowd
- Shortly after Lincoln was shot the telegraph system went down - Shortly after Kennedy was shot the telephone system went down
- Kennedy's father had been the Ambassador to England at the Court of St James - Lincoln's son became the Ambassador to England at the Court of St James
- Lincoln and Kennedy were 2 of the greatest presidents of the nation
- Lincoln's wife tastefully and expensively re-decorated the White House - Kennedy's wife tastefully and expensively re-decorated the White House
- Lincoln loved great literature and could recite poetry by heart - Kennedy loved great literature and could recite poetry by heart
- Lincoln had young children while living at the White House - Kennedy had young children while living at the White House
- Lincoln's sons had ponies they rode on the White House grounds - Kennedy's daughter had a pony she rode on the White House grounds
- Lincoln lost a child (12 year old son) to death while President - Kennedy lost a child (newly born son) to death while President
- Lincoln let his children run and play in his office - Kennedy let his children run and play in his office
- After Lincoln's assassination the nation experienced an emotional convulsion - After Kennedy's assassination the nation experienced an emotional convulsion
- the whole world cried when Lincoln died - the whole world cried when Kennedy died
- Lincoln's funeral train travelled from Washington-DC to New York - Kennedy's brother's funeral train travelled from New York to Washington-DC
- Lincoln Assassination conspiracy theories are believed these 140 141 years later - Kennedy Assassination conspiracy theories are believed these 42 43 years later
- Abraham was the first name of the man who filmed Kennedy's murder in the Lincoln
- The man running alongside Kennedy's car snapping pictures with his 35mm camera was a salesman of Lincoln cars
- Kennedy bought a Virginia home that was the 1861 Civil War headquarters of Lincoln's first general-in-chief, McClellan
- Jefferson Davis was the name of the president of the Confederate states while Lincoln was president of the Union states - Jefferson Davis Tippit was the name of the police officer killed allegedly by Kennedy's alleged assassin
- Lincoln was famous for his wit and for telling hilarious stories and anecdotes - Kennedy was famous for his wit and for telling hilarious stories and anecdotes




No such thing as a coincidence?