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superbert
05-15-2007, 04:57 AM
While everyone is entitled to their opinion on any subject, fact will always rule over suspicion. Most people don't look beyond the mainstream media to gather their own facts about things that happen in our world, so local news and certain national channels are the only source of info that is heard. While I try my best to not think of everything as a cover-up or conspiracy, I do believe that there are things that go on that are not what they seem.

Since seeing a very enlightening, very scary documentary about 9/11, I have been much more interested in politics and what is going on in the US. I have gathered some facts that I feel are key in determining whether or not the US govt had anything to do w/ the attacks on the WTC.

If we can all add some things, I think more people will begin to realize how much our government did know.

Here's what I have so far:


The WTC complex required roughly $200 million in renovations due to hazardous asbestos. Several organizations tried to have the complex demolished, but failed to get permission. If the buildings were to be demolished, it would have released the bacteria into the NYC air, causing countless health problems. The only way the buildings could have been taken down would have been to take them apart floor by floor, costing an estimated $15 BILLION.


The buildings changed ownership for the first time in their 31 year history 6 months before the attacks. Larry Silverstein, a lawyer and real estate owner, leased the buildings for $3.2 billion with a down payment of only $124 million. He immediatly insured the buildings for $7 billion, making sure to add coverage for "terrorist attacks". Why would someone make such an investment knowing about the necessary renovation costs?


Once the papers were signed for his lease, Larry Silverstein fired the current security company, and hired Securacom. This was responsible for security at the Dulles International Airport, where the attacking flights took off from. It is also a known fact that the company has been backed directly by the Bush family since the Gulf War.


Since the attacks, Larry Silverstein has been collecting on $4.6 BILLION in insurance claims, which were filed as two separate items. Not a bad return for a $124 million down payment eh?


The towers were home to several important documents as well. Items such as notes and information regarding further prosecution in the Enron and Worldcom cases were held there. Why would these documents matter though? Ken Lay, one of the convicted members in the Enron case, greatly helped with funding in Bush's campaigning. The two also owned a joint venture oil drilling company, Spectrum 7, back in the 80's. All of the documents were destroyed in the "attacks".


1 year after the attacks, in an interview with PBS, Silverstein made a statement regarding building 7, the smaller structure separate from the towers:
"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."


I would be interested to see what other facts you all have regarding all of this. There is really no doubt in my mind that our government (particularly the President) had their hand in all of it.

For those that are interested, I challenge you all to watch the same documentary that changed my perspective, "9/11: The Press for Truth".

Thanks to those that took the time to read all of this. It is people that are willing to look beyond what everyone tells them that will help make changes in this country.

sizzlasia
05-15-2007, 05:03 AM
Old news buddy.. Loose change, etc.. what we gonna do, its gotta go mainstream. Last I heard my buddy whos real into this shit said loose change dudes were getting it into theatres soon.

amberler
05-15-2007, 10:55 AM
While everyone is entitled to their opinion on any subject, fact will always rule over suspicion. Most people don't look beyond the mainstream media to gather their own facts about things that happen in our world, so local news and certain national channels are the only source of info that is heard. While I try my best to not think of everything as a cover-up or conspiracy, I do believe that there are things that go on that are not what they seem.


So which news channels should we believe?

Should we get our 'facts' from youtube?

Billy Preston
05-16-2007, 08:26 AM
Seems we're talking fundamental paradox here.

How can you ever have an opinion without all the facts.

No one knows everything about the situation, you just have to get your information from as many different sources as possible and weigh up what you think are the facts for yourself.

IMO it was a false flag op but even if the likes of loose change and terrorstorm were aired on the mainstream media, would it change anything? Are the public too indoctrinated? How tight is the real grip on the world? Government...Bush...Illuminati? I think only a few people...maybe 200-300 really know whats going on and who's in charge and the rest of us just have to do the best with what we've got.

Damn, I've already started to ramble. I guess it eventually just gets to the point where to gotta say "Fuck it, stick the TV on and lets have a spliff"

amberler
05-17-2007, 09:43 AM
Seems we're talking fundamental paradox here.

How can you ever have an opinion without all the facts.

No one knows everything about the situation, you just have to get your information from as many different sources as possible and weigh up what you think are the facts for yourself.

IMO it was a false flag op but even if the likes of loose change and terrorstorm were aired on the mainstream media, would it change anything? Are the public too indoctrinated? How tight is the real grip on the world? Government...Bush...Illuminati? I think only a few people...maybe 200-300 really know whats going on and who's in charge and the rest of us just have to do the best with what we've got.

Damn, I've already started to ramble. I guess it eventually just gets to the point where to gotta say "Fuck it, stick the TV on and lets have a spliff"

What would the purpose or gain of a false flag operation?
Conspiracy is fun but usually fantasy.

burnable
06-27-2007, 09:27 PM
It's highly suspicious to me that the Bushes were associated with the binLadens. As I understand, the binladens wanted protection from the Iyatolla and Bush or Bushes were able to provide that. In return, there's a lot that a powerful middle-eastern family can provide to a texas family whose business was oil.

George Tenet, former CIA director, claims to have known that Osama was planning an attack on America and he informed the president. After the attacks, there still was no executive effort to investigate and confront Osama. People wonder why it is so hard to track down this guy and kill him. Well it's only hard if you don't try.

Meanwhile, a public consternation over the attacks certainly did not hurt Bush's plan to invade Iraq. It was coupled with a real-life national trauma and fear of the future. Bush didn't go into Iraq because he thought it would stop terrorism, he did it for the vast amounts of crude oil in Iraq. He's profiting, Dick Cheney is profiting from the elevated stock in Halliburton, over which he was once CEO, and which has had no bidding competition and thus a monopoly in the industry of 'outfitting' the troops, while we wonder why all that is happening is US troops dying and millions of orphaned Iraqi kids acquiring a new zeal to hate America. There will be a more vicious generation of terrorists because these assholes wanted to be richer.

To me, it's obvious and transparent. Now the republicans are slowly criticizing bush's war policy in hopes of restoring their image by election time.

Everytime I think about this I get nauseated, as much as when I think of how Al Gore could have been putting our resources into fighting the real war on global warming for the past 7 years. My words are insufficient. It's all so nefarious and appaling.

AlwaysBlazed
06-28-2007, 04:34 PM
It's highly suspicious to me that the Bushes were associated with the binLadens. As I understand, the binladens wanted protection from the Iyatolla and Bush or Bushes were able to provide that. In return, there's a lot that a powerful middle-eastern family can provide to a texas family whose business was oil.

Actually, it's well-known that they were associated and it's also well-known that for some reason the white house escorted Bin Laden's extensive family out of the country the morning of 9/12 or sometime around there

Also, I agree with the poster of the thread. I try not to see anything as conspiracy and cover-up but when it all comes down to it theres alot of bullshit that has been fed to us and we're tired of it

420izzle
07-05-2007, 08:37 PM
for you non-believers...and those who call this a conspiracy...
the true conspiracy theory here is that 19 hijackers with box-cutters pulled off this awful attack over a span of hours while the most sophisticated air-defense system in the world stood-down.
the facts are overwhelming. I wrote a personal account of my awakening here (http://truthseeds.org/category/9-11-truth/).
9/11 truth ends Iraq war