I don't think I've ever believed in god

[Dec. 21 2012]

First off, sorry I'm posting so much it's just that I have nothing to do.

I just figured out something that really depresses me. I don't think I've ever believed in god. I try to think back to when my parents took me to church but all I can remember is a butt-fucking boring place where you could rent lame bible videos. And I try to think back on what I thought of Jesus and his father but I go blank. I remember being terrified of hell and thinking they copied Pinocchio by having a dude live in a whale. But for some reason we stopped going and I seemed ambivalent. I'm athiest now although I'm considering Buddhism but for some reason the thought of an athiest child really brings me down. Not to offend anyone but the idea of god and angels and shit seems like some whimsical thing that most children get into. And I had a happy childhood but I was too much of a daydreamer to ever get into religion. Were any of you guys like me?

[PureEvil760]

I used to be very athiest, I used to wear a huge upsidedown cross rapped in a chain to freak religeous people out...until God smacked me around. Uh..why is your name the day that the planets are going to be alligned with God?..that really doesnt make sence seeing as your athiest.

[slipknotpsycho]

I used to be very athiest, I used to wear a huge upsidedown cross rapped in a chain to freak religeous people out...until God smacked me around. Uh..why is your name the day that the planets are going to be alligned with God?..that really doesnt make sence seeing as your athiest.

how can the planets be aligned with something that isn't even there (by that i simply mean even if you do believe, he's not out there in outer space..)

[PureEvil760]

Everything spiritual is very complicated..but the "God source" or "Central Sun" as angels call it will be aligned with earth on that day. It will put in motion massive enlightenment/acesion and I believe will cause massive natural disasters which will destroy areas where there are no acended people, God is basically going to kill all that do not follow him. And christians/catholics do not follow him, they just like to pretend they do, they will be killed too. This alignment will last for 30 years until every person not walking with God is dead, or insane.

[PureEvil760]

oh and the univerce is multi-dimencional, like the sun is a gateway to a diff dimension that spirits may use..so the alignment may not acctually be like how we think it will be..just think of it like this. Earth is living in darkness right now, god is going to turn on the light, this is a good time to be alive because this was the whole point of even creating earth..to create a peacefull planet a free choice. and it will happen within our lifetimes.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

i'm sure that at some point you had a casual belief in god, but without heavy indoctrination no child attains anything close to the fervor of an adult believer. like santa claus and the easter bunny, jesus is a fun little fantasy that we all toyed with as a child. only as an adult can you appreciate the depth of the fear that the entire mythology is based on, only when death becomes real to you do seek a way to cheat the inevitable.

[PureEvil760]

Yes, everyone intuitively wants to believe in god..because it is a wonderful truth waiting to be discovered that you already know about..u just consiously constantly run from it.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Yes, everyone intuitively wants to believe in god....
....santa claus, the easter bunny, unicorns, and elves. fantasy is preferable to the dirty little truths of this work-a-day world, but this is what we call reality. no amount of prayer or meditation will change the fact that life is not a fairy tale where everyone lives happily ever after (or where the true believers are rewarded with eternal bliss). no matter how much you may try to complicate matters with grand schemes of spiritual alignment and heavenly pyramid scams, life will remain a very simple equation.

you live, you experience the pleasures and pains of life, and then you die. why can't that be enough?



:beatdeadhorse:

[Dec. 21 2012]

Well I talked to my parents about it. They said they couldn't tell if I believed or not. My dad said I probably believed in god subconsciously which I think I agree with.

And I got my name just out of fascination with the Mayan civilization. Their entire religion was based around the most complex calendar the world has ever known and it all ends on Dec. 21 2012. That's also when Terence Mckenna predicted that the historical endpoint would occur in his novelty theory. I also heard somewhere that some Tibetan Buddhists believe this day will usher in a new age of peace. I didn't know anything about planets aligning with god. Although I'll add that one to the list.

[PureEvil760]

delusions..the thing is you do not have to die..the reason for being human is to become in-human, u will continue to be re-incarnated as a human until mastery is obtained and at that point you may choose to live for as long as you like, you become immortal. Then when you do choose to die, you dont have to come back.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

better to live a short while and experience all the joy and sadness of this earth ,then fade away to nothingness; than to waste those years amid the mystical imaginings of the deluded masses and struggle fruitlessly for the answer that never comes.

or

better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

take your pick

[PureEvil760]

yea i used to believe that also its like hey i might as well be a master of ego instead a master of reality, but I came to the realization that in doing that is just plain all around ignorant.

[PureEvil760]

explaining further, its like you say Ego is real and reality is fake, I say reality is real and ego is fake. Why would truth allow for such misconceptions, and ignorance everywhere. You cannot deny the fact that there IS ignorance everywhere you look right? well that ignorance is EGO. Denying what I talk about is saying that every single person that believes themselves to be enlightened is wrong every single spiritual person is wrong, which means you believe there are 1000s and 1000s of spiritual seekers which are just psyco and they dont know what thier doing..so then people that have accepted thier ego and live in ignorance are the ones who are correct? come on seriously.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

as the outward manifestation of the psyche, it is nothing more than a necessary mask. its destruction leaves one open to predatory nature of those about you and only a fool or a saint would leave themselves defenseless in this hostile world. i'm pretty sure you're not the latter and i can only hope you're not the former. of course, an obsession with one's ego is unhealthy, but its absence is equally so. perhaps you should attempt to control your ego before you go preaching about the need for its destruction.

[Matt the Funk]

as the outward manifestation of the psyche, it is nothing more than a necessary mask. its destruction leaves one open to predatory nature of those about you and only a fool or a saint would leave themselves defenseless in this hostile world. i'm pretty sure you're not the latter and i can only hope you're not the former. of course, an obsession with one's ego is unhealthy, but its absence is equally so. perhaps you should attempt to control your ego before you go preaching about the need for its destruction.Really. Have you ever thought that maybe it's YOUR ego that's huge? And that the universe doesn't revolve around humans....

[MarzVooolta]

Well I talked to my parents about it. They said they couldn't tell if I believed or not. My dad said I probably believed in god subconsciously which I think I agree with.

And I got my name just out of fascination with the Mayan civilization. Their entire religion was based around the most complex calendar the world has ever known and it all ends on Dec. 21 2012. That's also when Terence Mckenna predicted that the historical endpoint would occur in his novelty theory. I also heard somewhere that some Tibetan Buddhists believe this day will usher in a new age of peace. I didn't know anything about planets aligning with god. Although I'll add that one to the list.

I am also a 2012/mayan calendar nut, I suggest you pick up Lawrence E. Josephs APOCALYPSE .He takes every angle that has been mentioned when it comes to 2012 and writes about it in a very comical way.

The author traveled to Guatemala to talk to the Shamans who hold the most sacred texts that werent destroyed by the Spanish raids.

According to contemporary Mayan belief, the ancestors of this world already have started to come back and are mixing in with the population. They are not interested in being recognized. By 2012 they will all have returned to fulfill the sacred mission of that momentous year.

The resurrection is being accomplished in the children being born today. everyone who was ever born and died in the past will have returned by 2012. The worlds population explosion is evidence of this mass reincarnation. There is always a reason a soul's incarnation cycle hits a dead end. For some souls the stumbling block may be love, for others courage.

Between now and 2012, we all will have an oppurtunity to face, and overcome, the challenges to our personal evolution. Those who pass their tests will move on to enjoy an enlightened new era. Those who fail will be stuck in this dimension for many thousands of years, at which presumably they will get another chance to take the test.

It doesnt sound any less crazy than Christianity to me

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Really. Have you ever thought that maybe it's YOUR ego that's huge? And that the universe doesn't revolve around humans....
of course, but since i consider it only a tool i don't obsess about it. i'm pretty sure i've got it under control most of the time. :hippy:

[Matt the Funk]

of course, but since i consider it only a tool i don't obsess about it. i'm pretty sure i've got it under control most of the time. :hippy:
I was agreeing with you haha. And I was talkiing about pure evil. :hippy: :thumbsup:

[PureEvil760]

as the outward manifestation of the psyche, it is nothing more than a necessary mask. its destruction leaves one open to predatory nature of those about you and only a fool or a saint would leave themselves defenseless in this hostile world. i'm pretty sure you're not the latter and i can only hope you're not the former. of course, an obsession with one's ego is unhealthy, but its absence is equally so. perhaps you should attempt to control your ego before you go preaching about the need for its destruction.

Corinthians 3:16
Don't you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?
3:18 - Stop fooling yourselves. If you think you are wise by this world's standards, you will have to become a fool so you can bycome wise by God's standards.

Listen you just sound like little kids to me, i've already learned and sifted through everything you have said..My ego has become that of destroying ego so its like a paradox..I only preach on here, all the people I know in real life think im awsome and always try to call and hang out with me but I usually prefer to be alone, the reason i argue on here is simply because I like it. Coming on here to become upset would not make sence, arguing with people on here is very fun to me..About defences, my psycic defences are very strong, not even powerfull dark workers can penetrate them.

I appear as a fool on the outside so it is usually the judgment people first make about me, but once they get to know me they are like ok..didnt expect you to be like this.. ALL things spiritual and becoming closer to god IS about weakening and destroying ego, it is the basis of ALL spiritual seekers, even masters have to work on being rid of what is left of thier ego.

[PureEvil760]

of course, but since i consider it only a tool i don't obsess about it. i'm pretty sure i've got it under control most of the time. :hippy:

lol didnt notice u said that, but all you can do is obsess about ego, its what humans do lol damn

[delusionsofNORMALity]

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[JaggedEdge]

Corinthians 3:16
Don't you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?
3:18 - Stop fooling yourselves. If you think you are wise by this world's standards, you will have to become a fool so you can bycome wise by God's standards.

Listen you just sound like little kids to me, i've already learned and sifted through everything you have said..My ego has become that of destroying ego so its like a paradox..I only preach on here, all the people I know in real life think im awsome and always try to call and hang out with me but I usually prefer to be alone, the reason i argue on here is simply because I like it. Coming on here to become upset would not make sence, arguing with people on here is very fun to me..About defences, my psycic defences are very strong, not even powerfull dark workers can penetrate them.

I appear as a fool on the outside so it is usually the judgment people first make about me, but once they get to know me they are like ok..didnt expect you to be like this.. ALL things spiritual and becoming closer to god IS about weakening and destroying ego, it is the basis of ALL spiritual seekers, even masters have to work on being rid of what is left of thier ego.

I've been trying to avoid this board, but I can't resist.

1. Quoting the bible doesn't exactly hold water to the people you are debating with.

2. You obviously have a huge and mis-guided ego and have no right to comment on someone else's. You are so sure of what you believe in that actually look down on the skeptics.

3. You are bordering on the line of spirituality and insanity. I try and be respectful to what people believe, but you are making it very hard. You are so fanatical it is funny, it also makes other believers look bad.

Out of curiosity, I assume you feel the Templar's were doing god's work?

[PureEvil760]

Im only like this cause I see clearly what everyone is doing, and its fucking stupid. 1. true 2. yea its so big its about to explode, which is the whole idea. 3. Its called divine madness, look it up.

I dont know what Templars are please explain more..

[JaggedEdge]

I dont know what Templars are please explain more..


I figured you would know since you claim to be smart. I guess history is simply one of those things you are to advanced to pay attention too...

They were basically the marines of Christendom. They did some good things, like creating one of the first banks. They would allow pilgrims to give them their money before they left on their journey and would give them a slip to be handed to one of the templars buildings in their final destination where they would be given most of what they deposited back.

The Templars became very rich, and many believe as a result of this, some what corrupt.

I assumed since you are so big into the whole god thing you would at least find researching other view on god would be interessting for an intelligent person. I guess not

Call it devine madness if you like, but "divine madness is why we have fanatical muslims attacking America and Europe. "Divine madness" is why so many of the extreme Batists are such a misery to be around.

You claim you aren't ignorant, but I honestly think you are probably one of the most ignorant people here. The fact you feel your so superior to everyone else is the main thing making me think that. Only the ignorant can have such a warped view of superiority.

Believe what you will. It doesn't effect me any. I do urge you to read something other than the bible though. There is much more to life than god and hope one day you will realize that.

I just fail to see how an intelligent person can be so sure of what he believes. Even most religious folk are tolerable of others views even if they think theirs are right. Not you though, you have the whole mythology figured out correctly. Good for you.

[JaggedEdge]

And to the thread starter:

Don't get depressed in the fact you don't believe in god. If you feel like something is missing in your life and you think god may help fill that void, start doing research. Read what different religions say on the matter. Decide if any of them sound right, moral, and just to you. If you find one you think you may like, go to a mass or two.

The only way to find out if you believe, is to expose yourself to the idea of god.

Really all you have to do is sit down and ask yourself if you think this world had to have been created by a greater being. There is no point in stressing yourself out over the topic though. Make the best decision you can make when you gather enough info from both sides.

[darth stoner]

"When one man is delusional, they call him mentally ill. When a whole group of people are delusional it is called religion."

[delusionsofNORMALity]

"When one man is delusional, they call him mentally ill. When a whole group of people are delusional it is called religion."

and when everyone is delusional i call it a good day's work.

[Spoken Word]

I wouldn't call myself an atheist(sp) mainly because Im not sure what it means. But partly because I question that humanity just evolved. lol
there is SOME greater force.

i was raised catholic.....i was confirmed and everything
I do not agree with catholic ways.
but it does help people and gives them hope.
so if I happen to meet a female(colombian-prefered)catholic that wants to raise her(and mine) kids catholic. its fine with me. as far as marriage, i'd love a white wedding in a church. lol doesnt mean i believe mary had a miraculous(sp) birth.

i'll let my children decide for themselves, like i did...when the age is right
it just helps keeping them innocent for as long as possibe.


then again im only 20 wtf do I know about life...

[PureEvil760]

I figured you would know since you claim to be smart. I guess history is simply one of those things you are to advanced to pay attention too...

They were basically the marines of Christendom. They did some good things, like creating one of the first banks. They would allow pilgrims to give them their money before they left on their journey and would give them a slip to be handed to one of the templars buildings in their final destination where they would be given most of what they deposited back.

The Templars became very rich, and many believe as a result of this, some what corrupt.

I assumed since you are so big into the whole god thing you would at least find researching other view on god would be interessting for an intelligent person. I guess not

Call it devine madness if you like, but "divine madness is why we have fanatical muslims attacking America and Europe. "Divine madness" is why so many of the extreme Batists are such a misery to be around.

You claim you aren't ignorant, but I honestly think you are probably one of the most ignorant people here. The fact you feel your so superior to everyone else is the main thing making me think that. Only the ignorant can have such a warped view of superiority.

Believe what you will. It doesn't effect me any. I do urge you to read something other than the bible though. There is much more to life than god and hope one day you will realize that.

I just fail to see how an intelligent person can be so sure of what he believes. Even most religious folk are tolerable of others views even if they think theirs are right. Not you though, you have the whole mythology figured out correctly. Good for you.

I dont have anything completely figured out, but everything I say information from channeled spirits, it gives me a sence of "spirtual pride" which overwhelms me at times. In reality noone is smarter or dumber or wiser when it comes down to it. People just choose not to look at the truth which keeps them locked into an illusion and constantly study it and believe this illusion is all there is to life. I'm just sure what I believe is true because I believe psycic channelings to be the real deal, and certain ones that I trust, I put 100% faith into. Sorry for offending ppl, I was trippin.