Marijuana is bad

[Oppositional P]

Let's be honest....

marijuana robs us of our ambition.

marijuana impairs short-term memory and therefore learning. This would not be such a big deal if not for the fact that it is so forgiving that half the people who use it do so all day every day to the extent that it has a profound effect on the quality of life and our potential to be successful.

Marijuana is addictive. Not just psychologically. I have been addicted physically numerous times, and it is rough. I've been warned about every other physically addictive drug enough that I was cautious enough to avoid anything serious. I wish I could say the same for pot.

I could go on...

[Samwhore]

Hmmm,

*Warning, Flamage ahead.*

[budsmoker only]

man fuck that..
it is not addictive and thats proven, yes mentally sometimes but not physically....
and i always go to school high and learn a lot when im there..

[passitplz]

so ur a member of a marijuana forum why?...

[40oz]

No it is not physically addictive.

You are right though that it causes people, mostly just kids, to loose some ambition.

So what though, KFC makes you fat and coke gives you stomache ulcers. There are more dangerous things out there we use every day.

[Matt the Funk]

Dude...i've done quite a few drugs and haven't really gotten addicted(excpet a certain opiate) and I can say, weed is not addictive like that shit. Whatsoever. I'm sure people who have actually been adicted to shit can tell you the same.

[slipknotpsycho]

lol, you're barking up the wrong tree....

and no, it doesn't rob us of our ambition, instead you're allowing yourself to be robbed of said ambition and looking for an easy excuse instead of just saying you gave up...

[Oppositional P]

man fuck that..
it is not addictive and thats proven, yes mentally sometimes but not physically....
and i always go to school high and learn a lot when im there..

Bullshit. I have been physically addicted to marijuana more tha once.

Oddly enough, no matter how hard I try, I cannot become addicted to tobacco or alcohol.

Addiction differs from one individual to the next.

[budsmoker only]

if you have been physically addicitive then your smokin for the wrong reasons....
and i thought tobacco was the most addictive shit, like nicotine and shit....
and how were you physically addicted?? like whatd you do when you wrent smokin or w/e...

[40oz]

You were never physically addicted to marijuana. Your parents and/or drug counslor just said that to make you afraid of it so you wouldn't smoke anymore.

[Oppositional P]

so ur a member of a marijuana forum why?...

I didn't say it isn't the most harmless of all recreational drugs.

People are just so biased it's sad. All these people who are so convinced pot is so harmless are the ones who are proving just the opposite.

I love pot and I think it should be decriminalized, but look at all the losers out there claiming it's completely harmless or that it isn't even a drug. It's a shame, because there are plenty of people out there who are so easily impressionable that they take that bullshit way too seriously.

[40oz]

I guess it all evens out what with the government saying its the devil's weed.

[JaggedEdge]

I think it's in your mind dude. Do you get the shakes because you haven't gotten your weed fix? Have you robbed an old lady in order to buy a dime bag?

I'm not trying to be an ass, but I find this insulting to those actually suffering from an addiction. All I really see here is what Slip said, you are looking for an excuse.

And weed is a drug, I don't think anyone will argue that.

[Acouwaila]

No use in arguing with this man. He's obviously ignorant. And also a liar. Marijuana is NOT physically addicting. And half of the reason it causes kids to lose ambition is because of its illegality. However, ambition is only the word used to describe the road to what americans call success in this country. Plenty of opportunity here, yet all people have a mind of their own and can live the life they choose. Different people have different beliefs...just because one harmless substance changes an individuals beliefs to differ from the country's...it does not make it a substance that gives loss of ambition.

[budsmoker only]

there are dumbasses in the world, never gonna get away with that....
but a lot of people look at the good sides of weed since everyone else looks at the downsides and just talks shit bout it 24/7...
of course its not 100% harmless, but then again what really is???
us cannabis smokers do it because we love it... love the way it makes us feel, helps a lot of sick people out..
for the most part there is no bad in cannabis, cept maybe cuz you lungs will get damaged a lil bit from the smoke... but there are alternatives and shit..

[slipknotpsycho]

sorry, there is no chemical in marijuana for the body to build a physical addiction on... atleast not in any way anyone ever thinks physical addiction.... at the absolute strongest i've heard yet.... would be melatonin levels, and even that is still more of a mental addiction.. it doens't make you crave weed.... it doesn't do an whole entirely lot either....

anyways, again you're barking up the wrong tree... just cuz you have a tendancy to seek dependation upon mind altering substances doesn't make it physically addictive.....

[Oppositional P]

You were never physically addicted to marijuana. Your parents and/or drug counslor just said that to make you afraid of it so you wouldn't smoke anymore.

You don't know anything about my parents or any hypothetical counselor.

When I go 24 hours w/out a drug and find myself sick to my stomach puking my guts out, i can only come to one conclusion. Like I said, addiction differs from one individual to the next. I often suspect people who claim to be addicted to cigarettes are just shitting me because they ar not in the least bit addictive to me.

All of you who are so quick to jump to conclusions should stop and think abut a little thing called denial.

[40oz]

Are you sure you werent on heroin?

[JaggedEdge]

How often do you smoke ciggs?

[budsmoker only]

denial is one thing...
truth is another..
are you sure you werent doin ne thing else when you got these "withdrawals"... cuz weed can only be mentally addictive, and you need to get that in your head...

[Oppositional P]

[quote=Acouwaila]No use in arguing with this man. He's obviously ignorant. And also a liar. Marijuana is NOT physically addicting. QUOTE]

How many years did you spend studying neuropsychopharmacology before you came to that conclusion?

I can assure you that I am not ignorant and I am no liar. Look how quickly you jumped to this conclusion.

Again:I still think marijuana should be decriminalized and is relatively harmless.

[40oz]

But you're trampling on its good name saying it caused you to have withdrawl symptoms like violent vomiting.

[Oppositional P]

Again:addiction differs from one individual to the next. Most pot smokers probably can't get addicted. I can't get addicted to tobacco.

[halo]

Maybe youre shit was laced or something dude. I have never heard of anyone puking because of lack of weed. I have heard of people throwing up because of smoking too much weed or swalling the smoke though.

[JaggedEdge]

But we have a big problem with the addiction thing. Do you want us to find sources to back this up? I really don't want to... I wanna enjoy my high. I just don't think weed is the culprut here.

Whatever dude. If it makes you throw up when you don't have it. Personally I think you are better off staying away from ALL drugs. Not trying to insult you, but you don't appear to take well to mind altering substances.

[budsmoker only]

i think weed isnt the only thing that you were addicted to...

[Oppositional P]

But you're trampling on its good name saying it caused you to have withdrawl symptoms like violent vomiting.

Actually, I'm trying to help.

There's nothing more detrimental to this good cause than a bunch of overly positive propoganda. Pot has more potential to ruin lives (and therefore its own reputation) when there are a bunch of disillusioned stoners who can't acknowledge the down-side of pot.

To most people you're all just nut-jobs who think pot can do no wrong

[40oz]

Nobody said it can do no wrong, we just said it can't make your body sick when you don't have it.

[budsmoker only]

explain how it can ruin lives please

[slipknotpsycho]

Actually, I'm trying to help.

There's nothing more detrimental to this good cause than a bunch of overly positive propoganda. Pot has more potential to ruin lives (and therefore its own reputation) when there are a bunch of disillusioned stoners who can't acknowledge the down-side of pot.

To most people you're all just nut-jobs who think pot can do no wrong

or a disillusionised wanna be 'neuropsychology' major jumps in making conclusions that have been proved wrong over 1,000's of times, over quite a number of years could be even worse... provoking the usually easy going carefree nature of potheads into having to take a defensive stance making it seem SEEM like we jump to conclusions...

everyone ACTS diffrently to addiction true... but addiction affects more then a handful of people.... get over it, you're not right... matter of fact, i'm wondering if you'r ejust trying to stir up shit.. seeming as you see it's causing controversy, and keep going, the thread title alone is enough to provoke an onslaught of flames, and we've had a really bad problem lately with this one little annoying as fuck worm who keeps making a new name, stands by for awhile, and then just goes off PURPOSELY trying to insight anger and fights.

get over yourself.

[Oppositional P]

But we have a big problem with the addiction thing. Do you want us to find sources to back this up? I really don't want to... I wanna enjoy my high. I just don't think weed is the culprut here.

Whatever dude. If it makes you throw up when you don't have it. Personally I think you are better off staying away from ALL drugs. Not trying to insult you, but you don't appear to take well to mind altering substances.

I see where you're coming from, and at one point I would've agreed, but think about this.

For one thing, how do you do a controlled study that allows you to test the results of keeping someone stoned for 5 years non-stop? 10 people? 100 people? Remember, this is scientific method we're talking about.

Another thing: experts say another drug (starts w/ a "c," apparently I'm not allowed to talk about it), is only psychologically addictive, when I know users personally who can't go a day without unless they spend several hours hovering over a toilet.

[JaggedEdge]

this one little annoying as fuck worm who keeps making a new name, stands by for awhile, and then just goes off PURPOSELY trying to insight anger and fights.

get over yourself.

ahh... that guy.

[Oppositional P]

explain how it can ruin lives please

if nothing else, simply e stripping people of their ambition.

that's not to say I don't know successful stoners, but they're the ones who respect pot as a drug.

[JaggedEdge]

I see where you're coming from, and at one point I would've agreed, but think about this.

For one thing, how do you do a controlled study that allows you to test the results of keeping someone stoned for 5 years non-stop? 10 people? 100 people? Remember, this is scientific method we're talking about.

Another thing: experts say another drug (starts w/ a "c," apparently I'm not allowed to talk about it), is only psychologically addictive, when I know users personally who can't go a day without unless they spend several hours hovering over a toilet.

There is no point in this, we aren't going to change your mind.

[40oz]

Another thing: experts say another drug (starts w/ a "c," apparently I'm not allowed to talk about it), is only psychologically addictive, when I know users personally who can't go a day without unless they spend several hours hovering over a toilet.

if you're talking about what I think you're talking about then Im gonna have to ask you were you got your info from. The drug that starts with 'c' that I know is one of the most addictive drugs around.

[slipknotpsycho]

if nothing else, simply e stripping people of their ambition.

that's not to say I don't know successful stoners, but they're the ones who respect pot as a drug.

lsat thing i'm gonna say, since you just said, if nothing else....

you ALLOW yoru self to be robbed of ambition and blame it on the weed instead of admitting you're a lazy ass who just gave up.

[Oppositional P]

or a disillusionised wanna be 'neuropsychology' major jumps in making conclusions that have been proved wrong over 1,000's of times, over quite a number of years could be even worse...
.

show me an example of a time when it was proven pot could not be physically addictive.

Or just accuse me of being someone else.

By the way, in high school I was the biggest pro-pot advocate around.

[Thepossumdance]

There is no point in this, we aren't going to change your mind.

its probably because the marijuana has begun to strip away the lining of the nerve endings in his brain causing him to become a stubborn uncompromising ass....

honestly... if you are really going through withdrawl symptoms just because of herb you should go in to be clinically evaluated not because i care about your health but YOU COULD BE IN A FUCKING MEDICAL JOURNAL (or the guiness book of world records for the most weak-willed person ever...)

[Oppositional P]

if you're talking about what I think you're talking about then Im gonna have to ask you were you got your info from. The drug that starts with 'c' that I know is one of the most addictive drugs around.

I can think of a psychology text that states it clearly, but that's just one example. Usually insuflation is specified, but I still know examples that fit that bill

[slipknotpsycho]

show me an example of a time when it was proven pot could not be physically addictive.

Or just accuse me of being someone else.

By the way, in high school I was the biggest pro-pot advocate around.

ok i can't resist :p don't you mean

"By the way, in my high school I am the biggest pro-pot advocate around" ?

no i'm not gonna go and spend time looking for the shit just for you to try and find some way around and it say 'yeah but...' look it up yourself... the shit is all over... matter of fact, if you're so sure what you're talkign about, how about YOU provide ACCURATE (not GOVT. bullshit propoganda) that supports your theory.... you are the only one trying to say something diffrent then anyone else... so you are the one to make your case, not me.

now if i was going to an anti-weed website, i'd be the one in charge of making my case...

[Oppositional P]

Why are you all so reluctant to consider the possibility that it's possible pot can be addictive?

[Thepossumdance]

PS here is the physical addiction of cocaine (note its not a normal physical addiction ie no normal withdrawl symptoms just this stuff)

"Cocaine attaches its self to the receptor sites in your brain where the pleasurable neurochemicals (dopamine especially) are stored, they then wash around in your system for a while making you feel high, before being excreted from your body and lost. The net result is that you are left with a shortage of dopamine, without enough dopamine you feel miserable and irritable and in extreme cases can experience what psychologist call adhenia where it is pretty much impossible to feel good about anything."



HE IS RELUCTANT BECAUSE SO FAR YOU ARE THE ONLY EVIDENCE THAT MARIJUANA IS AT ALL PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE (i say "evidence" with a nice big smirk plastered across my face)

[geonagual]

You see marijuana as a drug...

I see it as a medicine:)

It is all about perspective.

[JaggedEdge]

Because we're god's among men.

[mrdevious]

Your lack of education is remarkable, but in a way understandable at the bullshit propoganda fed through backward logic. If you really want to make such claims, lets see a little debate on the matter backed by actual scientific studies, not the DEA's drug information page.


marijuana robs us of our ambition.

Have you not seen how many lawyers, politicians, and people in every single profession out there smoke weed? My sisters fiance smokes huge amounts and he's a high level executive. Mark Emery has one of the most organized and built-up political movements of all time. I personally have maintined a 78%-85% GPA in college throughout the past year, and the only reason I got such good marks was because smoking weed reduced my pain enough to manage the stress of school and being in extreme daily pain.
Overal I can't count how many hugely sucussful people I've seen who smoke weed. I'd also suggest you watch Pen and Teller's "Bullshit" episode on the war on drugs.

You should also read the countless testimony's of people on these boards, including myself, who get inspired to excercise and be active when they smoke pot. The "Abovetheinfluence" steryotype that we smoke pot and lay on a couch staring at the walls blankly is why none of us believe these prohibitionists bullshit, because nobody's seeing the purported consequences of these lyers.

Cannabis and the Brain: A User's Guide by Paul Armentano (http://www.lewrockwell.com/armentano-p/armentano-p10.htm)

e.Peak (31/10/2005) news: science: Study shows marijuana increases brain cell growth (http://www.peak.sfu.ca/the-peak/2005-3/issue9/ne-mj.html)



marijuana impairs short-term memory and therefore learning.

Marijuana impairs memory very mildly to none at all in users with a high tolerance, it's only when you're new to it and have a very low tolerance that the effects on short term memory are more substancial.
Furthermore, the most recent medical concensus has been that the effects on memory are temporary and tend to clear up completely after a month of abstinance. This is because cannabinoids don't do any actual damage to the memory-based neurons, they only block them temporarily and clear out of their own accord over time.
I can personally say that I ACED my world and canadian history exams, which had an insane amount of history to remember, and I spent the whole 2 weeks of study and test writing smoking rediculous amounts of hash. I noticed no impairement in my memory retention whatsoever.

It should also be noted that cannabis has zero neurotoxicity, and one of the lowest physical toxicity levels of any known substance on Earth. It has also been shown to act neuroprotectively against alzheimers and physical trauma, while selectively destroying cancerous cells. And as if that were'nt enough, the supposed detrimental effects on the immune system are looking more and more like a farce. Don't take my word for it, check the science.

Cannabis Freedom Activist Network's Guide To Cannabis Research (http://www.freedomactivist.net/cannabisresearch.html#cannabidiol)

Europe: Study: Marijuana Slows Alzheimer's Decline (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n307/a10.html)

MARIJUANA MYTHS (http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html)

cannabisnews.com: Study: Pot Helps Hepatitis Treatment (http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22154.shtml)




This would not be such a big deal if not for the fact that it is so forgiving that half the people who use it do so all day every day to the extent that it has a profound effect on the quality of life and our potential to be successful.

Almost all the time life quallity and sucess are imparied only because social stigma; such as misinformed parents, workplace and school drug testing, and an unjust judiciary system, force smokers into criminal records, job loss, and denial of education services all because they decided to make a person health/life decision.

truth: the Anti-drugwar The "Dangers" of Marijuana (http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/nutshell-marijuana.htm)

Marijuana As Medicine?: (http://www.nap.edu/books/0309065313/html/)

The Sun Online - News: I'm 120 but my joints are OK (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006560113,00.html)

Entrez PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1935564&query_h1=1)

Cannabinoids Research Articles and recent Cannabinoid Abstracts (http://ccicnewsletter.com/index.php?customernumber=781160420367400&pr=Oc06_Oncology)






Marijuana is addictive. Not just psychologically. I have been addicted physically numerous times, and it is rough. I've been warned about every other physically addictive drug enough that I was cautious enough to avoid anything serious. I wish I could say the same for pot.

The so called psychological addiction to marijuana is not a chemical response initiated by THC, but a learned behavioral pattern, an easy defence mechanism to stress which in and of itself relieves emotional stressors, and therefor conditions the person to depend on it when they use it as a crutch.
It's no different than people who overeat, addict themselves to television, gorge on chocolate, drink alcohol even without addiction, or masturbating excessively. It's all about instant gratificaiton and emotional release, whatever form it takes.

The withdrawl you experienced is rare, and certainly not as even close to as bad as harder drugs like heroin or cocaine. Besides, how does it make sense to not give the safer alternative of cannabis to the people, when the only current legal options are alcohol (one of the few drugs on earth that can kill you from withdrawl), and tobacco (indisputedly one of the most addictive substances out there). The only reason physical (and often psychological) withdrawl occures is because cannabis increases melatonin levels up to 5,000% depending on your tolerance. Melatonin is a very powerful hormone involved in sleep regulation, making you relaxed and tired (this is the cause of "burning out"). It's a very healthy substance with powerful anti-cancer attributes, and your body will inevitably become dependant on cannabis to maintain melatonin levels since it's own melatonin-triggering mechanisms no longer need to produce it themselves. It only takes 3-7 days to get your body used to producing melatonin itself again, and in the meantime you might lose some sleep. This "withdrawl" is no worse than caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, and even sugar (refined sugars can actually cause strong addiction).


I could go on...

Please do. And back it up with some real scientific studies if you please.

House of Lords - Science and Technology - Ninth Report (http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld199798/ldselect/ldsctech/151/15101.htm)

Marijuana Health Mythology (http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/marijuana/facts/mj-health-mythology.html#myth5)

Jack Herer - Chapters (http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html)

[40oz]

I can think of a psychology text that states it clearly, but that's just one example. Usually insuflation is specified, but I still know examples that fit that bill

Well I don't know about your psych book but I found this within minuets of searching on google:

"At a certain point, c usage ceases to be a voluntary action: this is the onset of addiction. The positive reinforcement of the sensation of euphoria eventually alters the brain so that the use of c is obligatory"

Sounds like a physical addiction to me.

source:
The Neurobiology of Addiction (http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web1/Farrenkopf.html)

[Oppositional P]

ok i can't resist :p don't you mean

"By the way, in my high school I am the biggest pro-pot advocate around" ?

no i'm not gonna go and spend time looking for the shit just for you to try and find some way around and it say 'yeah but...' look it up yourself... the shit is all over... matter of fact, if you're so sure what you're talkign about, how about YOU provide ACCURATE (not GOVT. bullshit propoganda) that supports your theory.... you are the only one trying to say something diffrent then anyone else... so you are the one to make your case, not me.

now if i was going to an anti-weed website, i'd be the one in charge of making my case...

You're right about one thing. I can't prove that I was ever physically addicted to pot. There are, however, many things that cannot be proven.
I get the idea you all hate me now and I'm not surprised. I would have reacted the same way years ago

[Inferius]

There is no point in this, we aren't going to change your mind.

Who said the point was changing his mind?

We're not just up against this guy here, we're up against our own fucking government.

It doesn't matter if one person out of the millions who smoke finds himself regretting it and under the addictive pull of a mood-altering chemical.

WE all know it's effects, WE all know that marijuana does much more than Impair, that used properly and with respect to one's life, it can elevate almost all aspects of the human expirience.
We also know that the physical addiction of marijuana is slightly disputed, even with the scientific data. I myself find my stomach to be painful in a day of withdrawal, but this is so meaningless to me that I usually drink some water and forget about it.

Personally, I think the withdrawal effects stem from things like binge eating, lowered metabolism from a less active lifestyle (only for those who choose to smoke indica and relax, which is what indica feels best at), and of course in the mind. Sure, the brainchemistry might not be altered enough to cause a normal withdrawal, but I don't think anyone here can argue with the basic concept of Excessive pleasure leading to a decrease of pleasure, and then leveling out. This decrease of pleasure, if only a perceptual thing becuase it's not chemically based, will obviously have psychosomatic effects in someone who's been smoking daily and stops.

[40oz]

I don't hate you I want you to see the light

[mrdevious]

I don't hate you I want you to see the light

I second that.

[Matt the Funk]

You are just stupid haha. Anyways, most people KNOW weed doens't do this stuff from experience. Maybe you were using weed as a medicine, and once you stopped having weed, guess what, the illness came back! Anyways I don't think weed really effects my short-term memory at all, and if it does it makes me forget all my little paranoid-anxious thoughts.

[skatin_foo15]

haha. physically addicting aye? wow i can garuantee your gonna get proved wrong in just a bit, if not by the time this post shows up

[Oppositional P]

[quote=mrdevious]Your lack of education is remarkable, but in a way understandable at the bullshit propoganda fed through backward logic. If you really want to make such claims, lets see a little debate on the matter backed by actual scientific studies, not the DEA's drug information page.
QUOTE]

This is hilarious.

I have never cited any claim made by the DEA.

I AM A STONER.

I am citing personal experience.

Science is very limited. We can't scientifically prove that all organisms on this planet evolved from extremophiles, but the fossil record clearly indicates it. Technically, we can't prove we exist.

I'm simply trying to provide another perspective among a wealth of people preaching to the choir. In other words, I'm just being oppositional.

[Villui]

lay off the crack pipe buddy


edit : also take that syringe out

also your shit about learning is complete and utter bullshit cause i have very high grades in school atm and i smoke all day evreyday when im not at school , so take your bullshit somewhere else :mad:

[NextLineIsMine]

this is obviously a troll, why on earth would you go onto a cannabis site and say marijuana is bad?

Hes just trying to get a rise out of you cause he has nothing else to do, dont give it




I just saw your last post.. cannabis does get hyped a bit here as a cure all when you are sick with whatever and a magical substance that enhances everything

[Oppositional P]

You are just stupid haha. Anyways, most people KNOW weed doens't do this stuff from experience. Maybe you were using weed as a medicine, and once you stopped having weed, guess what, the illness came back! .

You sure were quick to call me stupid.

The illness must have gone away 48 hours later. Strange.

Again:ADDICTION DIFFERS FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL TO THE NEXT

[geonagual]

Never get in line if you do not want to.
At any time, you can get off the bus, at any stop and your life will be affected signifigantly.

[Oppositional P]

lay off the crack pipe buddy


edit : also take that syringe out

also your shit about learning is complete and utter bullshit cause i have very high grades in school atm and i smoke all day evreyday when im not at school , so take your bullshit somewhere else :mad:

when you're not at school.

Holy shit, you spelled it out for me. It is not hard to prove that marijuana effect memory and learning. It has been done before.

[Oppositional P]

Notice that I never claimed that marijuana causes chromozomal damage, brain damage, reduces sperm count, or any of the things anti-drug ass-lickers say without thorough evidence, yet I was instantly attacked.

[FreeVenice]

Let's be honest....

marijuana robs us of our ambition.

That's not true at all, in fact it gave me the ambition to buy more. . .lol


marijuana impairs short-term memory and therefore learning. This would not be such a big deal if not for the fact that it is so forgiving that half the people who use it do so all day every day to the extent that it has a profound effect on the quality of life and our potential to be successful.
I know it doesn't effect memory because I can remember the color shirt my girl was wearing the day I asked her out, not to mention the weather, time place, ect. . . And as far as learning goes, is a everyday smoker who goes to Harvard good enough for you (not me).


Marijuana is addictive. Not just psychologically. I have been addicted physically numerous times, and it is rough. I've been warned about every other physically addictive drug enough that I was cautious enough to avoid anything serious. I wish I could say the same for pot.

Yeah I remember that year I quit and all the cold sweats I had, oh wait that never happen. If you feel your addicted stop, if you don't have access to it how the hell are you going to still be stuck on it. Get control of your life for gods sake. . .



I could go on...

Me too. . .


It's because of people like this that our lives are so full of crap. . . Go live with Nazi's you want so many rules. . .. .

oh, I got to go, it's time for Carousel. . . . .lol (i hope somebody gets that)

[skatin_foo15]

Hey, maybe your mental addiction causes you to get sick? as you have said MANY times... ADDICTION DIFFERS FROM PERSON TO PERSON!

[mrdevious]

This is hilarious.

I have never cited any claim made by the DEA.

I AM A STONER.

I am citing personal experience.

Science is very limited. We can't scientifically prove that all organisms on this planet evolved from extremophiles, but the fossil record clearly indicates it. Technically, we can't prove we exist.

I'm simply trying to provide another perspective among a wealth of people preaching to the choir. In other words, I'm just being oppositional.


The DEA referrence was me being facetious, if you didn't quite get that. But pretty much every claim you made has been purported by prohibitionists, and you seem to be utilizing a fallable form of reasoning by trying to apply your personal experience, attitude, and responsibility to the general stoner populace.

And please don't tell me that scientific studies hold no validity. Cannabis was made illegal and given insane claims of its detriments because lawmakers went off personal (ignorant) belief rather than credible science. We may not have all the facts, but when multiple studies show a consistant finding such as a total lack of neurotoxocity, it's because researchers followed the proper scientific method through proven procedures backed by consistancy.

[Oppositional P]

I just saw your last post.. cannabis does get hyped a bit here as a cure all when you are sick with whatever and a magical substance that enhances everything

now re-examine everything I've been saying with that in mind. I'm trying to help people to be more realistic so that their opinions can be taken more seriously.

I never said pot was as bad as alcohol or tobacco

[Oppositional P]

[quote=FreeVenice]. And as far as learning goes, is a everyday smoker who goes to Harvard good enough for you (not me).

QUOTE]

smoking once a day ain't shit. "Everyday smoker" is extremely vague.

[slipknotpsycho]

You're right about one thing. I can't prove that I was ever physically addicted to pot. There are, however, many things that cannot be proven.
I get the idea you all hate me now and I'm not surprised. I would have reacted the same way years ago

i don't hate anyone...

you are aggervating me and drivign me to anger, i'll admit that much....

hate is a strong word... i don't even hate the people who made my everyday life in school a literal living hell.... i hate my dad, and that's about it....

like i said, angry and fed up are the words that come to mind.

[Oppositional P]

. Cannabis was made illegal and given insane claims of its detriments because lawmakers went off personal (ignorant) belief rather than credible science. .

I agree 100%

Neurotoxicity is one thing. That's like saying brain damage has never been proven. I agree, but it doesn't matter one bit when it can easily be proven tha pot effects learning

[mrdevious]

I agree 100%

Neurotoxicity is one thing. That's like saying brain damage has never been proven. I agree, but it doesn't matter one bit when it can easily be proven tha pot effects learning


Yeah man I agree, it can effect learning, but I really think those detriments are in more newbie users with lower tolerances. I mean my best friend is a biology, chemstry, and physics major and he smokes like a chimney. And his girlfriend just got her business degree and she's been smoking heavily since she was 13.

Anyway, sorry to go off on you so much, my leg just feels like it's been split open by a hot knife right now and that's not too good for maintaining a good mood. Makes me pretty irritable at times.

Have a good one


Happy toking:jointsmile:

[slipknotpsycho]

ok, i'm even mor einclined to think you're that same troll we've been having problems with for months....

mr. devious, just basicly, proved you wrong on every aspect, with evidence backed by scientific study, and you're still continuing... only now you seem to be getting more agressive with it....

[Thepossumdance]

Personally i am beginning to dislike you... not because of your rediculous arguments (honestly I enjoy them... the whole rant about not being able to prove anything was comedic gold) but because i find you to be extremely patronizing... that's all you're nothing special... just another silly man with a silly complex that makes him say silly things in silly places...

[Oppositional P]

i don't hate anyone...

you are aggervating me and drivign me to anger, i'll admit that much....

hate is a strong word... i don't even hate the people who made my everyday life in school a literal living hell.... i hate my dad, and that's about it....

like i said, angry and fed up are the words that come to mind.

what's to be fed up with? My main objective here is make sure people aren't too certain pot is completely harmless. I hope every one of you is stoned as I type. I wish I could get stoned, but I also wish I had taken pot more serously in my youth. That's really all I'm saying.

I don't think it's normal for stoners to have the opportunity to go 5 years without doing anything other than getting stoned. I had that opportunity. Under normal circumstances I agree that pot is virtually harmless, but circumstances aren't always normal. Think about that before you fill some easily impressionable kids head w/ one-sided rhetoric, PLEASE!

[FreeVenice]

If you are having a problem learning I think you better look at alot more aspects of you life besides what you are smoking. . .

[Thepossumdance]

what's to be fed up with? My main objective here is make sure people aren't too certain pot is completely harmless. I hope every one of you is stoned as I type. I wish I could get stoned, but I also wish I had taken pot more serously in my youth. That's really all I'm saying.

I don't think it's normal for stoners to have the opportunity to go 5 years without doing anything other than getting stoned. I had that opportunity. Under normal circumstances I agree that pot is virtually harmless, but circumstances aren't always normal. Think about that before you fill some easily impressionable kids head w/ one-sided rhetoric, PLEASE!

...hmmmm no?

[Oppositional P]

[quote=slipknotpsycho]
mr. devious, just basicly, proved you wrong on every aspect, with evidence backed by scientific study, QUOTE]

show me. I'm convinced your idea of "scientific" is anything that lines up with what you want to believe.

[slipknotpsycho]

becuase that doens't seem like your objective at all... if it were you objective, you'd state your opinion and move on, to put the idea out there, not continuing when you're obviously upsetting and angering most everyone who reads this thread....

btw, weed's outta your system within 30-60 days (generally) i was with out it for WELL over a year, with no chance of getting it, yet i still don't come to the same conclusions... a year or five, it doesn't matter.... you're spouting shit that's obviously GOING to (and is) pissing everyone off, and you keep it up.... face it, you're looking for a fight... however i have not a damn thing to do and i've been drinking so i'm more than happy to oblige, although i am growing tired of it...

i'm growing tired of it more or less becuase i think of this as my community and you're pissing everyone off, just like you wouldn't like some guy walking up to you and your friends and pissing them off, i don't like it when you do it here... you wanna spew this neandrethal shit, take it to somewhere that gives a shit....

btw, don't give me this impressionistic shit either, pretty much every 'kid' who's here, has their mind made up already....

to put it bluntly (and more simply to understand since you don't seem to be getting the picture) you're walking into a black community with a loudspeaker and yelling porch monkey....

to continue only proves my point you're one goal is not to spread word, but to piss people off...

[Oppositional P]

If you are having a problem learning I think you better look at alot more aspects of you life besides what you are smoking. . .

I quit several months ago because I had to. I learn like crazy ever since.
Perhaps it's a coincindence. Certainly correlation doesn't always indicate a cause-effect type relationship. That doesn't mean I'm wrong.

[halfassedjediknight]

adsfgasdg

[Oppositional P]

to put it bluntly (and more simply to understand since you don't seem to be getting the picture) you're walking into a black community with a loudspeaker and yelling porch monkey....

to continue only proves my point you're one goal is not to spread word, but to piss people off...



When have I said anything negative about anyone who posts here that you disagree with? Seems to me like you're trying to pit everyone against me. I've said plenty of positive things about pot and stoners, but you want to make this an us-and-them issue.

[slipknotpsycho]

adsfgasdg

a dumb shitty fucking gay ass shit dieting government-supporter?

[JaggedEdge]

When have I said anything negative about anyone who posts here that you disagree with? Seems to me like you're trying to pit everyone against me. I've said plenty of positive things about pot and stoners, but you want to make this an us-and-them issue.

I think he thinks you are a certain person.

[halfassedjediknight]

a dumb shitty fucking gay ass shit dieting government-supporter?

im kinda high, and i dunno. crazy. :vader1: :trooper:

[slipknotpsycho]

When have I said anything negative about anyone who posts here that you disagree with? Seems to me like you're trying to pit everyone against me. I've said plenty of positive things about pot and stoners, but you want to make this an us-and-them issue.

you're starting to give me a headache....

EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID IS ABOUT HOW POT IS BAD! WHAT THE GODDAMNED FUCK DO YOU WANT? THIS IS A POT WEBSITE, DID YOU EXPECT TO COME HERE AND SAY MARIJUANA IS BAD AND EXPECT EVERYONE TO SMILE?!

[Thepossumdance]

I have a question... are you
a) a senior in highschool
b) a freshmen or sophmore in college

i didnt add other choices because if you really arent one of these... i really have nothing to say at all... just that i hope you find peace one day and grow up.

[slipknotpsycho]

I think he thinks you are a certain person.

and YES i do.... if i had the ability, i'd check IP's against others who have been nothing more than shit-stirrers

[halfassedjediknight]

you're starting to give me a headache....

EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID IS ABOUT HOW POT IS BAD! WHAT THE GODDAMNED FUCK DO YOU WANT? THIS IS A POT WEBSITE, DID YOU EXPECT TO COME HERE AND SAY MARIJUANA IS BAD AND EXPECT EVERYONE TO SMILE?!

isnt he here to warn us or something? that pot isnt completely harmless?

[SmKeitTillItzALLgone]

listen....im a Penn State student...no bullshit community college...ive blazed up EVERY DAY this year, september 06 - present...yall wanna kno my GPA??? 3.78 last semester...3.80 this semester...on top of that..i dont smoke bak at home.. AT ALL...only wen im at college..(havin ur own apartment is just so sexxy)...so um...i jus disproved all that sh*t....in closing..bud is beautiful..:)

[Oppositional P]

a dumb shitty fucking gay ass shit dieting government-supporter?

How very mature of you.

And in spite of all this, I'm still maintaining my view that pot is mostly harmless and should be decriminalized.


Is it really so hard to accept that there are some negative side effects of pot? Will you deny cotton-mouth? I wouldn't be surprised.

[JaggedEdge]

and YES i do.... if i had the ability, i'd check IP's against others who have been nothing more than shit-stirrers

Lol, I don't know. I have stayed out of this for a while and just watched. I'd rather lurk here.

[Reefer Rogue]

Bullshit. I have been physically addicted to marijuana more tha once.

Oddly enough, no matter how hard I try, I cannot become addicted to tobacco or alcohol.



Stupidest thing i've ever read. I knew you were a bad egg when i read your name.

[mrdevious]

what's to be fed up with? My main objective here is make sure people aren't too certain pot is completely harmless.


I see what you mean man, rhetoric for or against pot (and most anything) tends to be one-sided from many proponents (not all), but the thing that's frustrating members here is that the detriments you're listing clearly aren't the ones being experienced by most or proven by research. It's easy to blame pot, like anything. You smoke weed, you have problems, therefor weed caused the problems (not saying you don't understand causation issues, you clearly do). And hey, it may have actually caused those learning problems for you personally, everybody reacts to every drug differently. But overal, yours would be a rare case and not the typical scenario for the average smoker. In which cause, pretty much EVERY prescription medication has the same rate of detrimental exceptions too, but we find these largely acceptable as the benefits outweight the risks.

[bluntblaze]

Let's be honest....

marijuana robs us of our ambition.

marijuana impairs short-term memory and therefore learning. This would not be such a big deal if not for the fact that it is so forgiving that half the people who use it do so all day every day to the extent that it has a profound effect on the quality of life and our potential to be successful.

Marijuana is addictive. Not just psychologically. I have been addicted physically numerous times, and it is rough. I've been warned about every other physically addictive drug enough that I was cautious enough to avoid anything serious. I wish I could say the same for pot.

I could go on...i dont give a shit...
i dont care if i turn schizo<?
i don't care if i get lung cancer....

all that shit could happen even if i didn't smoke weed.
the way i sum most things up is...... SHIT HAPPENS.

you live, learn .... then die and forget it all... and im happy with that :jointsmile: live life to the max ppl:thumbsup:

[Thepossumdance]

How very mature of you.

And in spite of all this, I'm still maintaining my view that pot is mostly harmless and should be decriminalized.


Is it really so hard to accept that there are some negative side effects of pot? Will you deny cotton-mouth? I wouldn't be surprised.

I have a question for you... IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO HAVE AN ARGUMENT WITHOUT EVERY SENTANCE THAT SPEWS FORTH FROM YOUR MOUTH HAVING TO BE A STREAM OF PATRONIZING BULLSHIT. if I talked like a pompous 14 yr old I would expect everyone not to like me as well...

pleassssseeeeeeeeeeeee say the one about not being able to prove anything again that legitimately made my day (i had testing all day so yes something that lame could have made my day)

[tokin'smoker]

wow this thread is ridiculus

[skatin_foo15]

I will admit pot isnt perfectly harmless. it does mess with your lungs and yes it messes up your short term memory. you just pissed people off by what you were saying in your first post.

[slipknotpsycho]

How very mature of you.

And in spite of all this, I'm still maintaining my view that pot is mostly harmless and should be decriminalized.


Is it really so hard to accept that there are some negative side effects of pot? Will you deny cotton-mouth? I wouldn't be surprised.

like i said, i'm bored and drunk, i've made my points.. i'm just trying to have fun now...

[Oppositional P]

listen....im a Penn State student...no bullshit community college...ive blazed up EVERY DAY this year, september 06 - present...yall wanna kno my GPA??? 3.78 last semester...3.80 this semester...on top of that..i dont smoke bak at home.. AT ALL...only wen im at college..(havin ur own apartment is just so sexxy)...so um...i jus disproved all that sh*t....in closing..bud is beautiful..:)

you call that conclusive? You are clearly not a man of science. I never said a stoner can't be academically successful.

Consider, even if only for a moment, the possibility that there is a different margin between the effective dosage and the dosage that impairs learning and other cognative functions from one individual to the next. I shouldn't even have to point out such a possibility.

The fact that you call that disprooving any "shit" makes it clear that you have no desire to be thoroughly scientific.

I'm going to sleep now. I'm enjoying the hell out of this, so I sincerely hope it's still here when I return from work tomorrow. I honestly hope you all consider the ideas I'm presenting and listen to something glorious during your next burn.

[PHATTY LUMPKINS]

I have a question. WHAT????

[slipknotpsycho]

I'm going to sleep now

funny you should say that after i basicly tell you i'm just trying to have fun and have no plan to end it.... :rolleyes:

[skatin_foo15]

you call that conclusive? You are clearly not a man of science. I never said a stoner can't be academically successful.

Consider, even if only for a moment, the possibility that there is a different margin between the effective dosage and the dosage that impairs learning and other cognative functions from one individual to the next. I shouldn't even have to point out such a possibility.

The fact that you call that disprooving any "shit" makes it clear that you have no desire to be thoroughly scientific.

I'm going to sleep now. I'm enjoying the hell out of this, so I sincerely hope it's still here when I return from work tomorrow. I honestly hope you all consider the ideas I'm presenting and listen to something glorious during your next burn.

I am listening, post exactly what your points are now so we can understand what your getting at.

[mrdevious]

you call that conclusive? You are clearly not a man of science. I never said a stoner can't be academically successful.

Consider, even if only for a moment, the possibility that there is a different margin between the effective dosage and the dosage that impairs learning and other cognative functions from one individual to the next. I shouldn't even have to point out such a possibility.

The fact that you call that disprooving any "shit" makes it clear that you have no desire to be thoroughly scientific.

I'm going to sleep now. I'm enjoying the hell out of this, so I sincerely hope it's still here when I return from work tomorrow. I honestly hope you all consider the ideas I'm presenting and listen to something glorious during your next burn.

Um... I hate to say it man, but all your ideas have actually been discussed here before, albeit in a less confrontational way. But seriously, you're not in much of a possition to lecture about thinking "scientifically" considering the form your arguments have taken.

[geonagual]

This thread is going off!

[Silent Wolf]

Let's be honest....

marijuana robs us of our ambition.

marijuana impairs short-term memory and therefore learning. This would not be such a big deal if not for the fact that it is so forgiving that half the people who use it do so all day every day to the extent that it has a profound effect on the quality of life and our potential to be successful.

For you maybe. Since Smoking weed i have become more sociable, more confident,and on the whole, a much better person. Weed even helped me lose my virginity:D

As for memory, well, my memory has always been like a goldfish, even before smoking the stuff.

[Thepossumdance]

....wait... did you just denounce him on the basis that he is not being scientific when you yourself said that scientific evidence is not proof or apparently even worthwhile to look at... I find you are quite good at arguing on forums simply because with each post you can present a new argument no matter how much it contradicts your last post (which in your case it often does) In addition the fact that you have no evidence to back up anything you say allows you to basically claim... anything (which is helpful because as we all know it isnt too hard to argue with someone when you have EVERYTHING at your disposal).

[happiestmferoutthere]

a dumb shitty fucking gay ass shit dieting government-supporter?

Maybe its just because its midnight and I'm really stoned, but damn! That made me laugh so fucking hard I'm still wiping tears from my eyes! WHEW! :giggity:

[Little Boy]

Oppositional P you need to shut your trap or maybe try smoking....u wouldn't be so stupid and uptight then

[Staurm]

Addictions are only a problem in the absence of supply.

[Psycho4Bud]

This one is closed and there are some in this thread that are lucky I'm just to tired to go through this thread this morning..........

SAFE based on lack of my ambition...........hell, I didn't even smoke yet, what's with that?

Have a good one!:jointsmile: