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stangle12
05-03-2007, 12:31 AM
Hey everyone.
Long time watcher, first time do-er here. I have 4 plants going on which i grew from seed. Its been about 9 days since they sprouted.. For the first week, it was under a 22w 6500k flouresent lamp. I dont know how that affected it...but i dont think it was good, because it hasnt really done much since i put it under the hps.


Here are some pics!

stangle12
05-03-2007, 12:39 AM
I'm growing them in a closet, 2.5 x 2.5. I know i have four. but i plan to shrink that down to two or one once they xes.

I used potting mix similar to miracle grow potting mix. I dont like the proportions of fert in it...it seemed to be lacking in P but i did it anyway.

Im going to line the room with reflective film too...baby steps.

So im having a little issue with these plants...they look kind of stringy to me im not sure if its cuase they were under a 22w light for a week...or if they're roots are just growing under the hps.

My only other problem is temperature. I can't cut ventilation holes into the closet but i have 3 small fans circulating the air. The biggest problem is this small hps...putting off all this heat. The temperature at the plants is going up to like 90 degrees!

i froze 2 litre bottles and put them in there with the fans and that brought it down to 80...but its hard to keep it like that.
Anybody have good temp/vent tips?

kaj621
05-03-2007, 01:09 AM
hey if you dont mind.. can you post the mistakes you've made along the way so i can learn more things on what not to do.. i'll keep reading..

stangle12
05-03-2007, 01:43 AM
I dont know the mistakes i've made yet. I will sertainly post them...and i hope people will help me with suggestions and stuff! i def. need it!

invision
05-03-2007, 02:11 AM
not even a small hole for a PC fan?

i use 2x150watt hps and a PC fan was able to cool one of them, with both i needed more air going out.

90F is too hot, is there any incoming air?

stangle12
05-03-2007, 05:33 AM
No, no incoming air. thats my problem. I just dont have the tools nessiary to provide that for a few more days. Im afraid to make ventilation on account of smell though.

invision
05-03-2007, 02:50 PM
believe me the smell will get out regardless of what you do, infact it will build up in there and really start to stink the place up, is there a door to this setup you could leave open but a few inches?

this is probly the biggest issue people have and there really is no way around venting the area, is there a reason why you cannot cut a hole in the closet somewhere....even the roof of the closet with a fan pulling out would help you greatly.

stangle12
05-03-2007, 10:15 PM
the reason i can't is due to tools right now. im working on it in the next coming days. I've been able to keep the temp to about 80 degrees. Thats close enough for jazz right now.
Im finishing the closet setup, ill show some pictures later.

stangle12
05-03-2007, 11:51 PM
okay. down to 81...lets hope i can keep it down there. I might just have to start keeping the door open or something...i hope not.

Oh, and when y'all measure temp, do you tend to take the temp from right near hte plant...or the average temp of the room? i have my meter about 6" from the plant.

invision
05-04-2007, 01:34 AM
my setup is always at 80-84F and no problems so your safe right now :)

stangle12
05-04-2007, 01:42 AM
sweet! thats kind of a relief actually. i just know that 90 is dangerous.
I've been regulating the temperature with ice, so i guess i'll just be workin hard.

I wish i could figure out why my plants didn't look so good though.
the leaves have been getting less green more yellow...especially the veins. They're like yellow lines

stone_sensation
05-04-2007, 07:04 AM
Ok for starter your CFL will be the best thing to veg your plant, HPS are more for flowering, but the one CFL one do jack to 4 plants. Using CFL's bush them out more and if you place them 2 inches above the plant won't stretch and therefor have good stem growth too.

Your problem with yellow veins etc. will probably be from lack of phosphorous or general minerals. Try to give them a little but definitely not to much, you don't want to go down that route trust me!

stangle12
05-04-2007, 11:30 AM
i would keep them under cfl...but unfortunatly its only 22w. screw that!

stone_sensation
05-04-2007, 03:55 PM
use both?

invision
05-04-2007, 07:58 PM
the yellowing is most likely the soil you are using, MG soil just isnt that great for herb plants plus it usually has some sort of ferts in it which isnt needed for the first 3 weeks or so.

what i would do is find some organic soil at a flower shop, should cost no more than 5-6 bucks a bag, and transplant them into the new soil, if your careful and dont mind taking the small risk i would break off all the old dirt from the roots before i placed them into new pots that way you know the old ferts are no longer present.

when my cab was running in the 90's my plants didnt look that great until i was able to vent the area better which is what it sounds like in your situation, they do grow in high heat they just take a lot longer than normal and give off a shitty appearance.

was you able to obtain any tools yet?

get more pics up too.

stangle12
05-04-2007, 09:31 PM
damn. i just bought a huge bag of MG soil to transplant them into!
whoops. Guess ill try to return it and get something more organic. Thanks invision. pics soon...

stangle12
05-05-2007, 04:56 PM
bah. i messed up the pictures. ya'll gotta wait til sunday now. sorry

In the mean time, Im going to buy some top soil and peralite to make my own potting mix and then transplant the little guys. Does this sound like a good idea? its hard to find a good soil....i just returned my MG soil. Does my mix sound good?

Also....whos got fert tips? for veg, i've seen So many different things. I read that lower N is good for temps above 80. that would be me....i think i might just go to a hydro store and get some veg nutes and some superthrive.

Coments well accepted.

stone_sensation
05-07-2007, 05:17 PM
Superthrive is good, remembers its very concentrated. Get some Neptune Fish fertilizer it does wonders!!

Shovelhandle
05-07-2007, 06:38 PM
ditto...Neptune or Mermaid Fish/Kelp Emulsion

invision
05-07-2007, 09:48 PM
for veg you can use anything with a higher nitrogen level than the others (N-P-K) and Neptunes Harvest makes some of the best if not the best nutes you will find,thier seaweed mix is some good stuff and great for veg and micro nutes.

stangle12
05-07-2007, 09:53 PM
gonna look into that fert! thanks guys. I already bought some cause my local hydro store was closed for some reason....tell me if these work:
I got MG liquid feed 12-4-8, and Vigoro Root Stimulator (for transplanting) 2-5-2.

stangle12
05-07-2007, 09:57 PM
Hey all!
long time, no update (with pictures at least)
I transplanted into bigger pots. Im not worried about them being big enough because i only intend to have one (or two) plants in the end of this grow.

After transplanting them, i watered it with the Vigoro Root stimulator 2-5-2 Fert. I hope this is a godo thing lol. I havn't used the MG 12-4-8 fert yet...cause everyone always talks bad about MG. So ill wait to hear comments. Key: its MG liquid feed All Purpose Plant Food. 12-4-8.

I've got these plants on a 5 day water cycle, i hope this is enough. I dont think im watering them enough thtough...im gonna wait 3 days and see how the soil is.

Anyway, here are some pictures....let me know what you think cause they are looking kind of droopy (im assuming from the root shock?)

stone_sensation
05-08-2007, 06:45 AM
Wow looks like the beautiful start of an excellent grow :). Your plants look really good to start, I have seen alot worse plants survive and yes maybe the plants have been stressed abit from transplant, but dont worry they should perk up a bit soon.

I really like your grow cab, lovely reflection :)

Good luck!

{edit} I don't know anything about MG so sorry can't help you. My fert is 6-5-5 and its fine for me.

kaj621
05-08-2007, 07:49 PM
hey Stangle.. u mind telling me exactly wut your soil mix was??... this is going to be my first grow this summer and im trying to findout all different kinds of soil mixes i can use

stangle12
05-08-2007, 11:25 PM
Stone: Thanks! im glad to know they at least look ok....im so scared to kill them i fear im over nurturing. lol I like the closet too, its really small...perfect for 1 or 2 plants. ;-)

Kaj: I used ACE premium potting mix initially, but transplanted them into pots full of Scotts preimium potting soil (which seems better). My only regret is not putting any perlite in them...i feel like they hold too much water and don't drain well...
Anybody know how i can help this? it seems imposible to add something at this stage to help drainage.

kaj621
05-09-2007, 12:51 AM
yea.. i also regret not putting in perlite :(.. w/e tho.. i only used 6 out of 40 seeds

kaj621
05-09-2007, 12:51 AM
im going to plant a few more seeds this friday

stone_sensation
05-09-2007, 10:59 AM
I forgot perlite too. Just make sure you give them a good water every 3-5 days or so depending on when they need watering (you have to wait till the pots are lighter in weight). Make sure you don't do little and often as the water just sits at the top and roots turn upwards.

Can you get us some more close up piccys of the plants?

stangle12
05-10-2007, 12:47 AM
The plants are slowly growing.....Pics later.
I need to figure out a way to get em some nitrogen...thinkin about diluting some urine...heh.

I ordered some of that Neptune fert. hope its good, should be here soon...maybe ill just wait for that.

stone_sensation
05-10-2007, 06:20 AM
Here you go :)

Solution to fixing a Nitrogen deficiency

Avoid excessive ammonium nitrogen, which can interfere with other nutrients. Too much N delays flowering. Plants should be allowed to become N-deficient late in flowering for best flavor.
A goof solid N-P-K ratio will fix any nitrogen deficiency. Any chemical or organic fertilizers that have Nitrogen in them will fix a nitrogen deficiency., Peters all purpose plant food 20-20-20 is good, Miracle grow All purpose plant food, Miracle grow Tomato plant food, (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) as well and blood meal! If you need to give your plants a quick solution to nitrogen and you want to use blood meal, I suggest making it into a tea for faster use, where blood meal is slow acting, but when made into a tea it works quicker! Other sources of nitrogen are dried blood, Cotton seed meal which is slow acting, Insect eating bat guano which is fast acting. Bone meal which is a gradual absorption when not made into a tea.( also excellent source of phosphorus). Fish Meal Or Fish Emulsion is a good source of nitrogen and is medium acting. Worm castings, which is gradual absorption. Seabird guano, All purpose Millennia Seabird guano, Orginal Seabird guano All Purpose, Crabshell ,which is slow absorption. Fox Farm Grow Big, which is fast acting. ( can bring down your ph as well)
Here are a list of things that help fix a Nitrogen Deficiency:

Chemical Nutrients

Advanced nutrients Grow (2-1-6)
Vita Grow (4-0-0),
BC Grow(1.2-3.2-6.5)
GH Flora Grow (2-1-6)
GH Maxi grow (10-5-14)
GH floraNova grow (7-4-10),
Dyna gro Grow (7-9-5)

Organic Nutrients

Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Grow (3-1-3)
Advanced Nutrients Mother Earth Grow (1.5-.75-1.5)
Earthjuice Grow (2-1-1),
Pure Blend Pro (3-1.5-4)
Bone Meal(0-10-0)
Blood Meal(12-0-0)
Fish Emulsion (5-1-1)
Seabird Guano (11-13-3)
Crab Shells(2.5-3.0-.5)
Pure Blend Grow (0.4-.01-.5)
Marine Cuisine (10-7-7)
MaxiCrop Seaweed (1-0-3)
Super Tea (5-5-1)
Mexican Bat Guano (10-2-0)
Sea Island Jamaican Bat Guano (1-10-0)
Kelp Meal (1-0-2)
Seaweed Plus Iron
Neptune's Harvest (2-4-0.5)
Alaska Start-Up(2-1-2)
Bio-Grow (1.8-0.1-6.6)
Age old Grow (12-6-6)
AGE Old Kelp (.30-.25-.15)
Neptune's Harvest (2-4-1)
Maxicrop Seweed(.1-0-1)
METANATURALS Organic grow (3-3-3)
METANATURALS Organic nitrogen (16-0-0)

So adding anyone of these above should fix up your nitrogen deficiency! Nitrogen deficient plants usually recover in about a week, affected leaves will not recover.

stangle12
05-10-2007, 09:33 PM
well i got neptune harvest. hope it works!

pics as soon as possible...

stangle12
05-10-2007, 09:34 PM
SS: thanks for the info! that has been driving me nuts for a week. THANKS

stangle12
05-11-2007, 02:47 AM
One thing i dont understand:
This neptune harvest...why is it so good for nitrogen at 2-4-.5 when others have much higher nitrogen content? This seems to be phosphurus heavy...

stone_sensation
05-11-2007, 09:07 AM
I don't understand either, I think it's because its organic so it doesn't have any other crap in it, but only the good stuff?

It bloody works though lol i need to get my self some of that!

invision
05-11-2007, 02:28 PM
neptune harvest is the best stuff you can buy, i got some a few weeks ago to try it out and have fed my plants with every water to see if this will burn them and they look better than any grow i have ever done.

i started by using just a 1/4 of what the directions say per gallon the first few times and now they are taking it at 3/4 strength no problem, plus its alot harder to nute burn with organics.....smell like ass though

stone_sensation
05-11-2007, 03:52 PM
Well there you go, while we are on the subject, where would i get it from as I live in GB?

stangle12
05-11-2007, 09:37 PM
well, i orderd mine on the internet. You could probably too. I ebay'd mine. although, it was the only one on the list...free shipping however, only 10$

invision
05-12-2007, 01:02 AM
its made locally where i live so i get it for 6 bucks a bottle....bargain :thumbsup:

stangle12
05-12-2007, 04:18 AM
hey, thats awesome! its pretty cool stuff...smells like fish tank!

Anyway, heres an update.
They've started to grow a big, gettng over that root shock.
I used the Neptune nutes in the watering yesterday at about 1/3 strength with 1/8 strength root nutrients. Today they are looking pretty good.

Here's a couple of pictures...let me know what you think!

Its weird, under my HPS the plants look light green, almost yellow. Take it out under natural light, or incandescant light, and the plants are the most beautiful deep dark shade of midnight green.

stone_sensation
05-12-2007, 07:31 AM
They are coming along nice mate good luck :)

invision
05-13-2007, 05:55 PM
so far they look good but take it easy on nutes, normally i wont give a plant any nutes until they are 3 weeks into veg or they show signs of needing nitrogen.(yellow leaves starting on the bottom)

i would hold off on nutes the next 2 waterings and then start again right where you are to be sure that they will take and absorb anything giving to them.

the HPS always makes plants looks wierd under the light i had to get used to looking at them this way and its easy to tell whats wrong once you get used to seeing them this way daily.

stangle12
05-14-2007, 10:16 PM
Pictures:
I have NO idea what happend to the one plant. He just plumited over night.

stangle12
05-14-2007, 10:25 PM
These pics are a day old....the one plant actually looks alot worse today.

invision
05-14-2007, 11:30 PM
too much nutes will make them brittle and the leaves will die fast.

flush them now

stangle12
05-15-2007, 12:27 AM
how do i flush them?
Can i Use tap water?
How much water should i run through them....i have poor drainage.

invision
05-15-2007, 01:25 AM
flush them with tap water until it runs clear out the bottom , may take 15min to do.

stone_sensation
05-15-2007, 03:49 PM
Oh no well atleast you have experience now, I haven't had to flush yet, I started nutes on the 4th week, the other looks great :)

stangle12
05-16-2007, 03:27 AM
i havn't flushed yet.
The bad plant has stayed steady, and the others are thriving. I got some superthrive i might add next week, who knows.

Either way, im gonna give fresh water for a couple of weeks and let them do their thing. might flush the crappy plant.....its soil isnt draining well at all, i think thats its problem.

stone_sensation
05-16-2007, 06:53 AM
OK, remember superthrive is VERY concentrated you only need a drop per Gallon.

invision
05-16-2007, 02:34 PM
thankfully you are still vegging so the new growth should be nice and green from her on out, what i would do is when you flower just chop off all the damaged area and she will put all her energy into the rest of the plant.

i normally chop off 1/3 of the lower plant so the rest will take off and produce fatter top buds.

stangle12
05-16-2007, 09:25 PM
Thanks for the advice! they have taken off lately, producing lots of off chutes...five and 7 leaves...wahoo.

Invision, ill remember that when i flower, thanks!

Ill post up some pics later today or tomorrow. they are getting bushy.

stone_sensation
05-17-2007, 06:35 AM
Cheers mate looking forward to it :)

stangle12
05-19-2007, 04:41 PM
Well how the time flys! these guys are starting to take off. getting bigger every day!. I have two sets of pictures, we'll start with the older.

They are gaining their 5 leaves, and begining to grow shoots between the nodes. Im thinking about pinching my plants, but i don't know at what point is good. I've heard between 4th and 5th node, but im not sure which is concidered the first node.

Anyway, here are the pictures.

stangle12
05-19-2007, 04:43 PM
here is a side shot of one of my plants. I want to pinch the top, but is it too soon? i dont know, but here is the pic.

stone_sensation
05-19-2007, 06:20 PM
When you say pinch do you mean top/FIM?

stone_sensation
05-19-2007, 06:22 PM
Cut it at the Red if you want to top, cut it at the green if you want to FIM. Now is the best time as you can top again when the new shoots grow :thumbsup: (BTW zoom in to see lol :))

stangle12
05-20-2007, 04:11 AM
Hey thanks for the advice, i was concidering topping it...but now im not so sure.
By pinch i meant FIM, but upon further reading, i don't really want to do it now.
I've been thinking about what i could do....i have 3 plants, soon they will have to sex
Im guessing id get either 1, or 2 males, or 1 or 2 females :-). If i have one female im thinking topping woudl be great. if i have 2, i was concidering LST.

But i would have to LST now, so i think i might just top

or maybe roll the dice and top 2.

i was also thinking of doing a later top, (longer veg) and trying to flower it to get sex. Anybody ever try this?

MegaOctane12
05-20-2007, 02:20 PM
Why not a combination of FIM and LST. You could even try scroging because the screen helps keep bud sites in formation and you get more efficient use of your space, just an idea.

stone_sensation
05-21-2007, 09:19 AM
Scroging?

invision
05-21-2007, 02:18 PM
LST is easier on the plant while topping will slow growth for a week or so, i say LST as it almost the same as topping its less stressful to the plant....think of the plants man. :)

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/103319-lst-low-stress-training.html

:)

rottenfork
05-21-2007, 02:31 PM
keeping an eye on your thread looking good, my grow is around 4 weeks ahead of yours i LSDed and im going to SCRoG ,check it out it might help you make up your mind, good luck with it ill be watching:thumbsup:

stangle12
05-25-2007, 12:49 AM
Im too afraid to LST or top or anything...so i've decided to just let them grow. but if i did want to LST what is the best string to use, i hear some can cut the plant.

Question: I have a 150W HPS light, with a lamp shaped reflector (like a 3D parabola.) Would it be best to leave it centered above 3 plants, or take away the reflector and just put it between the 3 plants?

Anyway, here are the latest pictures

Anyone knwo why they are so droopy? and hte new leaves curl up?

I just watered them today, i think i might be watering them too little.

And why are there yellow leaves! im using balanced nutes and shit....maybe cuase of hte light oriontation?

invision
05-25-2007, 01:16 AM
are you letting the soil go dry before adding water?

they look over watered to me, also what is the PH of the soil.

they are nice and green so it must be that, bottom leaves starting to yellow too if you havent introduced veg nutes next watering should be it.

just LST the damn thing i was scared too and once i did one plant is was on....yeah.....did you see my LST guide?

stangle12
05-25-2007, 01:48 AM
Yes i did! thank you very much,
i think i will LST, i do let the soil dry out, sometimes for two days.

I am going to use twine to LST them. is that cool? i dont want to harm my plants!

invision
05-25-2007, 01:50 AM
i used ribbon, twine, speaker cable, anything that is 12" long i claim for LST :)

maybe they just needed water then?

stangle12
05-25-2007, 01:57 AM
i waterd them tday, so we will see tomorow. in the morning i will begin LST! caio

rottenfork
05-25-2007, 06:36 PM
you only need to water every 2-3 days and use you nutes every third time you water, looking forward to your LST bend them over 90 degrees they will love it, i would leave the lamp over the plants as close as you can get it but keep an eye on the temps, they should perk up good luck strangle

stangle12
05-26-2007, 02:30 PM
So, the LST is working great! its making them grow faster i think. im not sure if im going to have them grow in a straight line, or curve them around the pot. Since 1 or 2 of these plants are going to be males (assuming) i think im gonna curve them around the pot for max space....

Pictures later!

invision
05-26-2007, 04:35 PM
i always made them grow around the outside edge of the pot, seems to work like a charm for me anyways, how do they look today?

stone_sensation
06-04-2007, 01:34 PM
Would be nice for an update mate and some piccys!

stangle12
06-06-2007, 05:11 AM
I'm an orange!. (Don't peal me)

stangle12
06-06-2007, 09:37 PM
Hey everyone,
Sorry i havn't updated in so long...my camera broke so i feel off the wagon for a while. I still dont have a working camera, but heres my update!

Everything is going great, i've transplanted into bigger pots and the plants are over 1ft tall. This weekend im planning on starting flowering but i am about to hit a snag....

My friend is giving me a clone...2 weeks old now. I only have one light and i dont know what to do. This clone will be much better then the bagseed i am growing...i need to figure out a way to keep it! here is my idea:

Create a light proof container, possible large rubbermaid. Keep the lights going normally, but at 12 hours of lights on my 5week plants, place them in the lightproof container to begin the flowering process.

This would allow me to veg the clone as well as flower the others.

Feedback? THANKS!

stangle12
06-11-2007, 10:37 PM
Hey everyone,
Still no camera. IM WORKING ON IT!
I just started my first day of 'flowering' by flushing each plant and using a 1/4 strength solution of nutes for the final wash. The nutrients i used are
0-10-10 bloom something or other - 1/2 tsp/gal
Jamacain bat Guano - 1 tsp/gal

I wish i had time to flush in the morning, i feel bad feeding them like this just before the lights go out. its gonna be hard to not touch them for 12 hours at a time, im ocd. I only hope there isnt much leak through the crack in the door...its a dark hallway by nature. so it should be okay.

All of hte plants already have their pre flowers, but im not sure how long until they sex well...


Oh, and about 4 days ago i cloned the plants...just cause i could, idk. Now they're under 12 12 light, i dont expect them to survive much longer...it would be cool though, why not, maybe get one bud from them haha, the goal was to determin sex with them but i did it too late, oh well.


Pictures soon, i promise!

stangle12
06-17-2007, 04:58 AM
So after about a week of flowering, they sseem to be showing sex. Its looking like two females....but im not even sure anymore.

stangle12
06-20-2007, 12:41 AM
so no pics...nobody cares? *sigh

hydrocannabis
06-20-2007, 04:52 AM
any pix. how big R they now.

stangle12
06-20-2007, 11:10 PM
gettin large! over 2ft, showing buds. Strong Sativa Qualities....Im missing a memory card to take the pictures with...no idea where it is DAMNIT.

rottenfork
07-10-2007, 12:57 PM
hey strangle hows it all going,
i havent looked in for a while, how about going down the shops and getting a memory card the suspense is killing me , come on you cheap-scate lol
sounds good keep up the good work