chicago smoking ban, wtf !?!?

[Nice Dreamz]

how the fuck can the government tell PRIVATELY owned buisnesses what they can or cant do in there own buisness? if you dont like the fact people are smoking in a resturant fucking dont go in there. dont fuckin punish everybody

[Nice Dreamz]

at least blogoyovich shot himself in the foot, less people will go to the city if they know that they cant smoke anywhere

[BobBong]

Welcome to Canada

[pabloescobar209]

Theres a few places in California trying to ban smoking in your house. It's insanity.

[Samwhore]

I have the same thing in my state, no smoking allowed in public places and 25 feet away from the nearest door.

[BobBong]

pssssst.. it's a "Smoking" bylaw.

Everyone go buy a vapor genie!

[skatin_foo15]

I have the same thing in my state, no smoking allowed in public places and 25 feet away from the nearest door.

Same here, but my state was founded by mormons so what do you expect? :beatdeadhorse:

[shoi]

i cant even go into this with out wantingto take a soap box and go rant on a corner or at school

[slipknotpsycho]

already has happened here.... how about the bitches that made this shit starts getting tickets for farting.... they don't feel i should be able to smoke around them cuz they don't want to smell/breath smoke, and i don't think they should be able to fart around me cuz i don't wanna smell/breath ass.... fuckers..

[ToDrunkToFish]

Eh Ciggs are gross. Go ahead and smoke in your private area, home what have you but in public places I agree. In my little downtown, well umm town they had the ban to stop smokin in the park and surroundin areas. It got those stupid goth freaks out and there were no Cig butts all over the place. And trash in general. Not to sound harsh though.

[Skink]

I quit smoking almost 3 years ago... My curtains are no longer yellow and my windshield is clean... I would have a harder time selling my house if I still smoked in it... I really can't see any advantages in smoking... I am all for the banning in resturants and public places,,,at one time I was dead set against it... Smoking is just plain bad...

[shoi]

but hten there are businesses such as shisha bars taht cant operate... the government shouldnt be able to restrict to the point where some people cant even work...

and if the issue is second hand smoke then why cant they just make a smoking room? they have them in japan and its pretty much a giant glass box where people can smoke in.... no smoke comes out so no danger to those who dont want to be exposed...

[slipknotpsycho]

c'mon, you can't tell me it's not ridiculous you can't smoke in bars (or strip clubs for that matter) that's just fuckin stupid...

[UMrocksmysocks]

I quit smoking almost 3 years ago... My curtains are no longer yellow and my windshield is clean... I would have a harder time selling my house if I still smoked in it... I really can't see any advantages in smoking... I am all for the banning in resturants and public places,,,at one time I was dead set against it... Smoking is just plain bad...

i second that statement, and im not a hater on cigs. i started smoking when i was 14 and just quit for the new year, 5 months strong now :) so i know where you smokers are coming from feeling you shouldbe able to smoke wher you want, but whats so bad about going outside with a buddy and raging one there, granted the weather is ok? a little hassle but second hand is really that bad if you have a room full of people lighting up every 15 minutes. i was playing in a poker tourney at my buddies house who smokes. him and 4 of my friends were ragin cigs all night. in the morning my chest hurt like fuck, and i dont smoke anymore.

[UMrocksmysocks]

c'mon, you can't tell me it's not ridiculous you can't smoke in bars (or strip clubs for that matter) that's just fuckin stupid...

yes that is a litlte over the top i think, i only agree with the banning of smoking in resturants, especially family resturants where people bring their kids n such

[rottenPauL]

that shis is also in europe. This january i went to rome and discovered that smoking is banned in every place except home and outdoors. Shit smoke detectors were on in my hotel room and there was no ash tray... and i had a big sticky ball of charas in my pocket:smokin: Thank god i was on top floor and my balcony was separated with walls from the others...

[darth stoner]

I quit smoking almost 3 years ago... My curtains are no longer yellow and my windshield is clean... I would have a harder time selling my house if I still smoked in it... I really can't see any advantages in smoking... I am all for the banning in resturants and public places,,,at one time I was dead set against it... Smoking is just plain bad...

I'm with you.

I quit smoking about a month ago, and I used to be against the prohibition of smoking in closed spaces (they're going for that here in Portugal too).

I used to say it's my right to smoke where I want etc. The only thing that I've always avoided was smoking in crowded restaurants and near children. Other than that I used to say I should be able to smoke wherever I wanted to.

I was wrong.

Tobacco smoke does way too much harm to entitle any smoker the right to make other people inhale it. And the smell sucks (I couldn't notice the smell when I smoked myself).

I don't agree with stopping people from smoking in their own houses (as someone above said). Their house is their business, their private property too. But places like coffees and shops where lots of unrelated people gather.. I fully agree smoking should be banned there -- for the sake of the non-smokers health.

[MacWQ33]

how the fuck can the government tell PRIVATELY owned buisnesses what they can or cant do in there own buisness? if you dont like the fact people are smoking in a resturant fucking dont go in there. dont fuckin punish everybody

Don't punish me with your nasty ass cigarette smoke while I'm trying to enjoy my meal. My state has the ban 100%, and I think it's great in all public places. Take your ass outside.

[Tomthehippie]

how the fuck can the government tell PRIVATELY owned buisnesses what they can or cant do in there own buisness? if you dont like the fact people are smoking in a resturant fucking dont go in there. dont fuckin punish everybody

Man thatâ??s so ignorant its funny.

[Tomthehippie]

Don't punish me with your nasty ass cigarette smoke while I'm trying to enjoy my meal. My state has the ban 100%, and I think it's great in all public places. Take your ass outside.

i agree! i feel people should have the choice but not in a public place as its public.

[pabloescobar209]

people just need to quit smoking period... the cats outa the bag, it kills you while doing nothing for you. It's time to wise up people.

[Bob the Awesome]

I quit smoking almost 3 years ago... My curtains are no longer yellow and my windshield is clean... I would have a harder time selling my house if I still smoked in it... I really can't see any advantages in smoking... I am all for the banning in resturants and public places,,,at one time I was dead set against it... Smoking is just plain bad...

So, if I've got this straight... you want to tell business owners what to do with their own privately-owned property because you couldn't control your smoking earlier in life? That seems a little harsh. I've had 7 cigars over a 2 year period, I don't enjoy smoking tobacco all that much but I don't want to go infringing upon people's property rights.

[Bob the Awesome]

Tobacco smoke does way too much harm to entitle any smoker the right to make other people inhale it.

Sorry for the double post, but I want to clarify my position. The issue here is you not wanting to have tobacco forced upon you. That's perfectly reasonable. We are meant to have a 'freedom of life', I think staying away from carcinogens counts.

However, you have no need to enter a bar. A bar is the owner's property, and what you're saying is many of you have made the mistake of smoking, and because of that, feel you should have power over his property. It's true this applies to things such as schools, hospitals, parks, and stuff paid for by tax money (as the general public 'owns' it) but I don't know where you all get off on thinking you can tell people what to do with their property. If you don't want to be around it, go somewhere else.

If there's a demand for smoke-free restaurants and bars, there will be smoke-free restaurants and bars. It follows the core principles of capitalism, and seeing as how here in Ohio many places were non-smoking before the ban, I have no reason to believe the system doesn't work.

I'd try reading up on this a little Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_liberalism)
and familiarize yourself with many of the core principles that were taken into account by the Framers. Might help your understanding some.

[Cheery Cherry]

already has happened here.... how about the bitches that made this shit starts getting tickets for farting.... they don't feel i should be able to smoke around them cuz they don't want to smell/breath smoke, and i don't think they should be able to fart around me cuz i don't wanna smell/breath ass.... fuckers..

LMFAO




DIVIDE AND CONQUER!!!!

[slipknotpsycho]

people just need to quit smoking period... the cats outa the bag, it kills you while doing nothing for you. It's time to wise up people.

i said it in the last cig thread and i'll say it again...

every ADDICTED smoker knows what it's doing to us... but it's so hard to just drop...

i think people think it's just as simple as dropping the cig and not picking them up.... believe me it's alot harder then that... a cig smoker, that has recently got on the path of quitting GREATLY resembles a crack-head that hasn't got his fix in a few days.... by 48 hours into no cigs, you're ready to do anything for a cig, even kill.... it's just that strong of an addiction.... it takes the strongest willed people to kick it for good...

no smoker smokes anymore cuz it makes them cool, or it gets them high or w/e... we're just addicted.... hopelessly addicted you could say... we know well what it's doing to us... it's not like there's some big secret that us smokers keep refusing to believe.... we plain well know what it's doing... the problem is it's one of the strongest, and wide spread deadly addictions in the world...

in short, it's not as easy as everyoen seems to think to quit... you don't just say 'i don't wanna do this anymore' and quit... if it were that easy, the only smokers would be the middle-high school kids that thinks it makes them look older and cooler...

[Its a Plant]

Yeah dude, you're lucky it's just now hitting up north in Illinois. It's been hell down in central Illinois for a while now. What's funny is that 2nd-hand smoke has been proven to not be NEARLY as dangerous as people lead us to believe. The only way you can get lung cancer from 2nd-hand smoke is if you're exposed to it for a long, long period of time. And if you are indeed exposed to that crap for a long period of time, it's your own fault for not doing anything about it and moving away from it.

Non-smokers complain about the smoke because they think they'll get cancer if they sit down in a restaurant for 20 minutes while someone smokes behind them. If you don't like it, don't go to that restaurant, just like if you don't want to smoke, don't smoke. When the govt. starts to take away choices, only leaving one option, it kinda makes me wonder "why get us addicted to cigs if you're not going to let us smoke them anywhere?"

I can see them banning smoking in restaurants, but come on, bars too? People that go into bars most likely aren't going for the family-friendly environment. They go for the drinks and what used to be a few smokes.

Bottom line: it should be up to the individual business owner whether or not he/she wants to ban smoking, bar none. Individual rights are slowly being whisked away from us. Soon, we won't be able to blow bubbles with our bubblegum because it might pop and get on some poor old lady. ~

[Tomthehippie]

iv quite no probs. quite bout 4 years ago. best thing i ever did! :)

[MacWQ33]

I see the point with smokers who don't like the ban.

See, the reason I don't like people smoking in a public place has nothing to do with cancer or addiction. I actually have a few butts a month when I drink (sometimes I don't feel like one, sometimes I do...used to buy packs for the weekends but got tired of it.). Anyway, if I'm at a bar or whatever and want a butt, I have no problem going outside...in fact I would do it without a ban. Cigarette smoke is annoying and just makes an enclosed place not as 'clean' for some reason. It's just common courtesy, a lot of people don't like it...

And even people who smoke, would you really want to hang out in a place where 100% of people were fishbowling the bar with tobacco smoke...yuck.

[suhl]

if you think smoking bans are fair or good, you dont understand logic in its simplest form and need to get killed

[slipknotpsycho]

I see the point with smokers who don't like the ban.

See, the reason I don't like people smoking in a public place has nothing to do with cancer or addiction. I actually have a few butts a month when I drink (sometimes I don't feel like one, sometimes I do...used to buy packs for the weekends but got tired of it.). Anyway, if I'm at a bar or whatever and want a butt, I have no problem going outside...in fact I would do it without a ban. Cigarette smoke is annoying and just makes an enclosed place not as 'clean' for some reason. It's just common courtesy, a lot of people don't like it...

And even people who smoke, would you really want to hang out in a place where 100% of people were fishbowling the bar with tobacco smoke...yuck.

no but that doesn't actually ever happen... i enjoy being able to breathe... but i have never been anywhere where even 80% are smoking.... it's usually more half and half...

in all honesty, if it were that smokey, i'd move to another place... it's not that hard to do....

[MacWQ33]

Yeah it's like whatever for me. It's here and here for good...even if I was an everyday smoker I wouldn't have a problem, but that's just me.

And I was just saying that because someone said they should make non-smoking and smoking restaurants, that would be dumb.

[darth stoner]

i said it in the last cig thread and i'll say it again...

every ADDICTED smoker knows what it's doing to us... but it's so hard to just drop...

i think people think it's just as simple as dropping the cig and not picking them up.... believe me it's alot harder then that... a cig smoker, that has recently got on the path of quitting GREATLY resembles a crack-head that hasn't got his fix in a few days.... by 48 hours into no cigs, you're ready to do anything for a cig, even kill.... it's just that strong of an addiction.... it takes the strongest willed people to kick it for good...

no smoker smokes anymore cuz it makes them cool, or it gets them high or w/e... we're just addicted.... hopelessly addicted you could say... we know well what it's doing to us... it's not like there's some big secret that us smokers keep refusing to believe.... we plain well know what it's doing... the problem is it's one of the strongest, and wide spread deadly addictions in the world...

in short, it's not as easy as everyoen seems to think to quit... you don't just say 'i don't wanna do this anymore' and quit... if it were that easy, the only smokers would be the middle-high school kids that thinks it makes them look older and cooler...

Quit Smoking | WHYQUIT.COM | the serious & free quitting forum (http://whyquit.com/)
cognitivequitting™ (http://cognitivequitting.com/)

I read the above two sites on the night that I decided to quit for good. They helped enforce everything I already knew about the subject, and I would recommend it to anyone who's wanting to quit too. The only other factor that kept me motivated was that I was having trouble with my breathing and I knew this was due to tobacco smoking.

Now, a month later, I'm back to daily exercise, I no longer have breathing problems and I can smell and taste food better. I can't even understand why I didn't do this earlier.

It *IS* as easy as saying "I'm going to quit". You just need to be commited to yourself and ALWAYS keep in your mind the reason you've chosen to quit smoking.

And for us pot smokers, this also means not mixing tobacco with our green friend.

[slipknotpsycho]

i have tried to quit quite a few times... for some quitting comes easier... my grandma smoked for over 20 years, then one day just said i don't wanna do this again, and never picked another one up, never caved.... for me on the other hand, i've had over 20-30 attempts..... only two lasting more than 2 months, the longer (and last) being 3 months....

the last 5 i was committed.... and i know most will say it's an excuse, but the only reason i picked up smoking again last time, was my wife was hit by a car, and i had an hour long drive to the hosptial, half way there i was just freaking the fucking out, not knowing what to expect, how we're gonna pay for this etc etc.... i caved dramaticly, and ended up smoking again, never dropped it since (nearly a year ago now) my hair was coming out, there was no such thing as a panic attack, as i was in constant 'panic attack' mode... the only name for it would be 'panic living'....

not knowing what to expect when you got an hour drive to the hospital where your wife who was hit by a car, can drive you quite a bit insane.... needless to say, i was ready for anything that was 'stress reliving'

i hate not being able to breathe.... lately i've been noticing it alot too... i get winded carrying out the laundry basket to the car..... i get winded walking up 1 floor worth the steps... i fucking hate it.... i used to ride my bike completely across the city just for fun/having nothing else to do.... now i couldn't ride it 3 blocks without getting tired....

[darth stoner]

Sorry for the double post, but I want to clarify my position. The issue here is you not wanting to have tobacco forced upon you. That's perfectly reasonable. We are meant to have a 'freedom of life', I think staying away from carcinogens counts.

However, you have no need to enter a bar. A bar is the owner's property, and what you're saying is many of you have made the mistake of smoking, and because of that, feel you should have power over his property. It's true this applies to things such as schools, hospitals, parks, and stuff paid for by tax money (as the general public 'owns' it) but I don't know where you all get off on thinking you can tell people what to do with their property. If you don't want to be around it, go somewhere else.

If there's a demand for smoke-free restaurants and bars, there will be smoke-free restaurants and bars. It follows the core principles of capitalism, and seeing as how here in Ohio many places were non-smoking before the ban, I have no reason to believe the system doesn't work.

I'd try reading up on this a little Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_liberalism)
and familiarize yourself with many of the core principles that were taken into account by the Framers. Might help your understanding some.

I consider myself very liberal, but thanks for the article.

That's exactly what I've been doing. I've quit going to certain places and hanging around with certain people that couldn't understand I wasn't up to getting nuked with smoke any more.

[darth stoner]

i have tried to quit quite a few times... for some quitting comes easier... my grandma smoked for over 20 years, then one day just said i don't wanna do this again, and never picked another one up, never caved.... for me on the other hand, i've had over 20-30 attempts..... only two lasting more than 2 months, the longer (and last) being 3 months....

the last 5 i was committed.... and i know most will say it's an excuse, but the only reason i picked up smoking again last time, was my wife was hit by a car, and i had an hour long drive to the hosptial, half way there i was just freaking the fucking out, not knowing what to expect, how we're gonna pay for this etc etc.... i caved dramaticly, and ended up smoking again, never dropped it since (nearly a year ago now) my hair was coming out, there was no such thing as a panic attack, as i was in constant 'panic attack' mode... the only name for it would be 'panic living'....

not knowing what to expect when you got an hour drive to the hospital where your wife who was hit by a car, can drive you quite a bit insane.... needless to say, i was ready for anything that was 'stress reliving'

i hate not being able to breathe.... lately i've been noticing it alot too... i get winded carrying out the laundry basket to the car..... i get winded walking up 1 floor worth the steps... i fucking hate it.... i used to ride my bike completely across the city just for fun/having nothing else to do.... now i couldn't ride it 3 blocks without getting tired....

Read these links I pasted man, you'll come to understand it is only an association in your brain that links smoking to coping with stressful situations.

For instance, I used to go for a smoke whenever I hit a "wall" during work stuff (computer related). It was like a ritual and seemed to help me concentrate and solve the problem back then. But if you think about it, the problem is still there, whether you had that smoke or not..

As you'll learn (same as I did) by reading about it, the hardest thing to break is the HABIT -- smoking in stress, after food, whatever your ritual is/was. That is the hardest part to break, and when you experience that, the chemical addiction to nicotine is long gone. I coped with this for the first few weeks by buying lots of gums, and whenever I felt like smoking a cig (even in social situations where you'd light up just for the sake of it), I had some gum, to replace the habit of getting a cig in these various situations.

Some more encoraging reading:
What happens to your body when you stop smoking (http://www.ivillage.co.uk/health/stop/smoke/articles/0,,184701_567140,00.html)

You can do it easily man, nicotine is just a dumb chemical with 0 IQ. You're the man there. If you say you can quit, then you can quit -- smoke the weed alone :P

[slipknotpsycho]

yeah, gum worked... but there's something else you don't know about me... since my last attempt to quit, i've had the rest of my teeth pulled... i can't chew gum atm... i'm still waiting for my dentures, before i had my bottom teeth, and the top were dentures....

gum worked goood for me, the only problem is in my current situation i can't take advantage of it...

believe me, i know how to quit, and i also know hte battle, and how bad i really want to quit...

if all goes well, in a couple of months or less i'll hav ea full mouth of teeth again, and can kick these cancer sticks and chew gum instead... right nwo i'ts a waiting game... i plan on quitting, i just have to wait til i'm equipped to do so..

[MacWQ33]

Just a theory for those having a hard time. What if you threw a lippa [dip] in instead. You would get the nicotine fix, without the actual smoking and lung damage. I know it's not a safe alternative [or so they say], but it's definitely a safer alternative. Then maybe wean yourself off that way...I know people who dip, and it's more like a habit like weed instead of a psych/physical addiction.

Just a suggestion.

[Little Boy]

Don't punish me with your nasty ass cigarette smoke while I'm trying to enjoy my meal. My state has the ban 100%, and I think it's great in all public places. Take your ass outside.

True dat! :rastasmoke:

[Little Boy]

where in Chicago are you from? I live fairly near to there...Saint Louis : )

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

Theres a few places in California trying to ban smoking in your house. It's insanity.

Actually when my roommate and I were looking for condos we found one where the owner prohibited smoking inside. And it's all over the place around here. Cali that is.

[RedLocks]

Welcome to the Family of every other State that has banned smoking in public places!

[thedanknshii]

in oklahoma they made a breath easy law so now you cant smoke in any restraunt and there trying to make it apply for bars to. thank God I dont live there no more

[AlwaysBlazed]

You can thank the Nazi's, they were the first to ban smoking.

[something]

this isn't just a chicago ban, this is going to be a statewide ban, which is insane, we still got time though, when would it go into effect, next year? did blago sign it yet? i guess i don't exactly know what the hells going on, i've read that he will sign it though...if he hasn't already...jake, why are you preaching about a private business owner's rights but excluding restaurants? that just completely contradicts itself, i can understand actual public places, but really, think about it, is your property even really yours anymore? local governments can steal your property and pay you what they want if they can get more tax dollars from a better offer, this kind of thing is happening more and more, things are getting crazy, there will be a national smoking ban in time, unless we do something, but combating a smoking ban goes a lot deeper than just trying to stop it, this chipping away at a free society penetrates everything, i just want to live in a completely free society where the market dictates everything, ethical business laws are important to keep everyone honest, other than that, let the market dictate what's what. there must be standards...the government should just keep their nose out of people's lives, do what the founding fathers actually intended america to be, except that equality means all of humanity, in a free society, opening a restaurant to serve great food and allow your guests to have a smoke, that should be illegal? that just seems so wrong, the market will dictate smoking and non smoking private businesses that have guests on their own property. tax dollar funded establishments...fine...ban it, private property? do any of you understand that our legalization movement really should be about personal freedom? and not the science of cannabis? a god given plant should be free, i don't care what this plant does, a completely natural plant on earth cannot be banned, and you prohibitionists...realize that your approach to a tobacco ban parralells a ban on cannabis, you have a view of personal freedom but then support blanket laws on people that only limit personal freedoms, creating your own business whatever it may be, privately owned, you should be allowed to set the rules...smoking is not an act that you can compare to murder, rape, theft, etc. these are the things our government should go after, these distractions are really keeping us away from our real problems...let's go after smokers, i just can't understand people, let's just keep telling people how to live their lives, i'm a bit buzzed, oh well, i'm done ranting, good day.

[darth stoner]

It's interesting to see the situation in different countries and sides in the world. Here in Europe, increasingly smokers are being put aside because of the smell and the raised awareness that the average joe/jane now has about what tobacco smoke really does. I can only talk about what I see and I'm told, and I've had this chat with some friends from various countries.

I totally agree with a free, individual-oriented society where the government can't tell you what you can or cannot do with your body or your property.

But I also agree with an informed society. Whenever I watch a parent smoking with his baby next to him I just feel like killing him. One could argue the parent has the right to do it, it's his cig (he paid for it) and his child, but any conscious human being should object that.. smoker or not.

[RedLocks]

Not sure what the big deal is really, If you want to commit suicide smoking cigarettes more power to ya, hell I'm a smoker myself, but for all the non smokers, they don't want to breathe your poison... The shit should be outlawed just like alcohol, it's just the government makes too much cash off all of us dying of Lung cancer and failing livers to give two shits... maybe even the 400k Americans dropping dead from being smokers every year might be doing its part to cut down on over population?

[Skink]

So, if I've got this straight... you want to tell business owners what to do with their own privately-owned property because you couldn't control your smoking earlier in life? That seems a little harsh. I've had 7 cigars over a 2 year period, I don't enjoy smoking tobacco all that much but I don't want to go infringing upon people's property rights.

I would agree if it wasn't poison...

I would like to go one step further now and ban bars altogether... it promotes drinking and driving,,,if the country is going to have such harsh drinking and driving laws why allow the promotion of it??? That is something I could never understand all bars have roads that lead to them... today just 2 drinks can make you blow illegal...

[Skink]

Lets just think like this.... If we don't make it tougher to smoke and make laws stopping it we are essentially saying it is ok to smoke telling our youth that it is not bad... Not making it tougher is just keeping the ignorance alive...

[Four50HP383Chevy]

washington banned smoking indoors and within 25' of doors or opening windows. how gay is that?

[AsianStoner420]

that sucks

[GotWake88]

Smoking bans are undemocratic. It is not a public health issue, it is a property rights issue.

[MacWQ33]

Well the ban has taken place in most areas, so why bitch? It's over, nobody wants to smell ya stanky ass butts in a little spot. It's done, it's over, you're wrong, you lost.

[Bob the Awesome]

Lets just think like this.... If we don't make it tougher to smoke and make laws stopping it we are essentially saying it is ok to smoke telling our youth that it is not bad... Not making it tougher is just keeping the ignorance alive...

Wow, I just took what you said and imagined someone talking about cannabis and not tobacco. Do you understand how hypocritical this sounds? The government isn't in place to tell people what is morally right and wrong and to make decisions for our youth. It's in place to keep order and protect every citizen's rights, which right now it seems to be failing at.


Well the ban has taken place in most areas, so why bitch? It's over, nobody wants to smell ya stanky ass butts in a little spot. It's done, it's over, you're wrong, you lost.

Again, I imagine someone saying this about cannabis. And no, I'm not wrong. I'm using the same thought that brought about the U.S. Constitution, the ideas of what property rights are. I don't know what your ideological basis is but classic liberalism sure beats the hell out of it, I know that.

[FreeVenice]

You shouldn't smoke near someone who does not like it, no matter what you are smoking. If a bizz is ok with smoke and you are not, don't go there. It's hard when you really think about it though, because you have to think about all the people who work at the place. A stripper doesn't want to smell smoke as she dances, shes breathing hard why the hell would you want smoke in your face. Same for waitresses/bar keeps/and anyone else that is there to make your stay more plesent. Why be a dick, smoke out side. . .

I'm sick of people crying about smoking indoors, it's not your place to tell someone what they get to breath. It's not hard to get off your ass and go outside, it's courtesy, and something that should be determined by the owner. . .

I'm just saying, you smoke around me in a closed area, even if I smoke, you are being a rude prick, and deserve a kickin. Keep your life your life, that's all there is to it. There should be smoking bars, just like there is oxygen bars. . .lol

Another thing is, I hate how people say their addicted, I understand your body becomes use to the smoke. But the problem isn't that. Get some self control and quit if you want to quit. All you are "Addicted" to is the process, get over yourself and you can get over it. I smoked cigs all through high school and quit right after graduation. Wasn't hard at all just stopped, I didn't cry about how much I needed it, and I sure didn't belive all the bull about needing a patch or some crap to help me. If you don't have the will to stop smoking, what else can't you do. . .

[Skink]

Wow, I just took what you said and imagined someone talking about cannabis and not tobacco. Do you understand how hypocritical this sounds? The government isn't in place to tell people what is morally right and wrong and to make decisions for our youth. It's in place to keep order and protect every citizen's rights, which right now it seems to be failing at.





were talking about a poison not butter cream frosting... Ignorant people will never understand this is why someone has to step in...