I think its stupid! (Alcohol Vs Cannabis)

[cannabis campbell]

You know how you see these programs on tv with police chases or programs about people that go out and drink or any bad crimes or whatever on the news to do with alcoholics.. people going into hospitals and assaulting people, wifebeaters etc..

The thing that really pisses me off is you know how stupid you or anyone else acts when their drunk.. Like an idiot basically lol.

If people have too much sometimes they get aggressive, start fights and cost the paramedics a whole lot of time and money, people passing out throwing up on themselves and in a lot of cases dying...

Drunks running down the street bring rowdy and singing making lots of noise etc... well you get the idea

On the other hand you have weed which is nothing like alchol, when your stoned you easy going the last thing you would ever wanna do when your stoned is have a fight because it just chills you out and makes you calm etc i dont have to tell you what weed does but you know what i mean dont you..

a lot of crimes are done by drunken people but hardly any by people who are badly stoned lol

the worst thing that would happen is you would fall asleep

rant over. :)

[make it legal]

I say it all the time, man. + rep for you.

[JaggedEdge]

Yeah, we got the short end of the stick here.

Granted not everyone who drinks is going to become a bruden to society, but a big number do. We aren't totally clear though.

There are a lot of pot smokers around me on welfare with no drive to support themselves or their kids. Simply survive off other peoples taxes while they sit at home in a shithole house smoking weed.

Sadly, we have our trouble makers too. But I think the number is far lower than booze.

Granted I'm referring to U.S. welfare, Europe may not have the problems we have here.

[couch-potato]

Try as hard as you can to imagine two stoners getting into a serious fight.


Case closed.

[MacWQ33]

Not everyone who drinks is an 'alcoholic'. People on this site seem to really think so though. It's probably only a small percentage.

I also love how 'god forbid someone states a stoner stereotype', but people go and do the same thing for alcohol. Weed is safer, yes, but a lot more people than you think drink and cause no problems whatsoever. Most, actually.

Please don't get upset with me.

[cannabis campbell]

Nooo im not saying everyone who drinks is an alcoholic but i would feel safer living with a weed addict than a alcoholic

ones loud rowdy and aggressive and the other one shuts up and listens to bob marley all day

hmm i know which life i prefer lol

[JaggedEdge]

well of course you prefer that one because you are a pot addict yourself. lol :bigsmoke:

I would choose to live with the smoker too.

[orangeman]

Yeah man we all know this, it's just retarded how the government just ignores it. So retarded. When will this change?! :rastasmoke:

[AlwaysBlazed]

If you ever see people high on cops they're driving, but not speeding or anything. They get pulled over for something bullshit like a broken light or something and they get harassed until they admit they have something in the car or let the cop search them. Then they sit on the sidewalk peacefully and told that they are bad and that they're going to jail.

Now look at drunk people. It's bullshit. You see some violent stuff from large-scale cannabis smugglers but not from users.

[MacWQ33]

LOL yeah. It really has nothing to do with lifestyle though. We are all the same people. Why would you want to be addicted to anything? You shouldn't need anything to get through every day [unless medically], whether it be weed or alcohol or tobacco or whatever.

I just prefer to have a good social night at a party or restaurant or club or nice bar having a great time with other people rather than sitting home alone smoking by myself. But that's JUST ME. I don't know why I even reply to these, it's a POT site Mac, what were you thinking guy? I think it's because 95% of people on here despise drinking, but I've yet to find someone that against it in real life, marijuana smoker or not. So, it makes me wonder...

[Polymirize]

stoner one: shut the fuck up man
stoner two: na man fuck u
stoner one: swings at stoner 2 halfway through swing redirects swing and grabs chips

(both stoners eat and chill out)

Fantastic. I loved how you used realistic dialogue as your hook. Very avantguarde.


Seriously though, I could find you posts on this very site from stoners who not only love to fight while high, but think that bud gives them magical powers while doing so.

So... yeah, it's really a mixed bag.

[originalblu]

hey hey hey hey,,, smoke weed every day

[Ganj]

Of course cannabis would win. It's a marijuana enthusiast forum. The truth is so obvious we're blinded by it. Nothing will change if we complain. Knowledge is not enough to make a difference.

[Storm Crow]

"Nothing will change if we complain. Knowledge is not enough to make a difference."

Unless you complain to your local politico- then knowledge CAN make a difference. Politicians pay attention to VOTERS! If you remind them that 80% of the US public supports medical marijuana, if you remind them that YOU (and all your friends) want (at the minimum) legal medical marijuana, then we can make a difference! Have you written your congressperson lately??? Or are you just another apathetic stoner? Every letter is counted, by politicians, as 1,000 voters! So write a letter! Tell them what you think! Be a "mover and shaker"! (or would you rather things to stay as they are? busts, harassment and no help for those who need it most?) Be an activist!!! Write, gripe, and/or bitch!!! Your choice.

Granny:hippy:

[JaggedEdge]

"Nothing will change if we complain. Knowledge is not enough to make a difference."

Unless you complain to your local politico- then knowledge CAN make a difference. Politicians pay attention to VOTERS! If you remind them that 80% of the US public supports medical marijuana, if you remind them that YOU (and all your friends) want (at the minimum) legal medical marijuana, then we can make a difference! Have you written your congressperson lately??? Or are you just another apathetic stoner? Every letter is counted, by politicians, as 1,000 voters! So write a letter! Tell them what you think! Be a "mover and shaker"! (or would you rather things to stay as they are? busts, harassment and no help for those who need it most?) Be an activist!!! Write, gripe, and/or bitch!!! Your choice.

Granny:hippy:

I thought it was that each opinion a person has, counts for 10,000 other people having that same exact opinion. Maybe that is for t.v. networks... It may be different in government because they aren't looking at the nation, but the population of one state at a time?

All I know is I heard it was 10,000 in relation to something... :D

[darth stoner]

Try as hard as you can to imagine two stoners getting into a serious fight.


Case closed.

I'll second that :)

[LaidZeppelin]

i know a cop and he totally agrees...he has such a hard time with drunk assholes but when he's got to arrest a stoner its never a violent episode....the only time weed causes a problem is when people wanna run because they know they can go to jail for way too long...1 second is way too long but whatever....alot of cops agree but they gotta do their jobs, I still aint a fan of cops tho!

[rebgirl420]

yeah its ridiculous....

[suhl]

who got that weed an likkah

[Jeff Spicoli]

i got deuced in the eye last weekend for being drunk, lol, the only thing i ever get in my eye when im high is semen.. fair trade off.

[mfqr]

Yeah, we got the short end of the stick here.

Granted not everyone who drinks is going to become a bruden to society, but a big number do. We aren't totally clear though.

There are a lot of pot smokers around me on welfare with no drive to support themselves or their kids. Simply survive off other peoples taxes while they sit at home in a shithole house smoking weed.

Sadly, we have our trouble makers too. But I think the number is far lower than booze.

Granted I'm referring to U.S. welfare, Europe may not have the problems we have here.

Although it could be argued that the reason we have people on welfare who sit in a shithole and smoke weed constantly, and have no money, is because of the prohibition causing the price to be so high. If it were legal, it would be cheap. In fact, this goes for any illicit drug. If coke heads could get coke legally and cheap, it's likely that they wouldn't be selling all of their possessions to get a fix.

[BlAzInIt4:20]

i dont think i could ever imagine myself as a violent stoner....i mean u can poke e and i will jsut laugh at ur ass... now when im drunk thats a different story... i can get violent.. get all tuff.. but. most of all i try to keep the peace.. no point in intoxicating urself if your just going to get pissed.. relax have fun....

[Turtlepik]

Yeah, we got the short end of the stick here.

Granted not everyone who drinks is going to become a bruden to society, but a big number do. We aren't totally clear though.

There are a lot of pot smokers around me on welfare with no drive to support themselves or their kids. Simply survive off other peoples taxes while they sit at home in a shithole house smoking weed.

Sadly, we have our trouble makers too. But I think the number is far lower than booze.

Granted I'm referring to U.S. welfare, Europe may not have the problems we have here.

I think we probably do. I don't know a single person on welfare who isn't a pothead. I'm just not sure what came first: the unemployment or the pot.

[LIP]

We live in a backwards world, slowly turning into a raging torrent of fecal matter. Why? Because of our Governments - they cant run a country - damnit, they cant run their own lives.

And the one simple thing to prove how completely useless and wrong the English Government are, is the recent "idea" to test babies and toddlers on their crying and babblings. It's a joke - it's our government.

Alcohol and hard drugs cause problems, yet they seem to be more interested in wiping out a plant that causes no problems - how unrealistic.

[shoi]

it is how it is...

im not for making alcohol illegal (i think all drugs should be legal), but i do think its hard to believe that alcohol is while cannabis isnt

[Reefer Rogue]

You know how you see these programs on tv with police chases or programs about people that go out and drink or any bad crimes or whatever on the news to do with alcoholics.. people going into hospitals and assaulting people, wifebeaters etc..

The thing that really pisses me off is you know how stupid you or anyone else acts when their drunk.. Like an idiot basically lol.

If people have too much sometimes they get aggressive, start fights and cost the paramedics a whole lot of time and money, people passing out throwing up on themselves and in a lot of cases dying...

Drunks running down the street bring rowdy and singing making lots of noise etc... well you get the idea

On the other hand you have weed which is nothing like alchol, when your stoned you easy going the last thing you would ever wanna do when your stoned is have a fight because it just chills you out and makes you calm etc i dont have to tell you what weed does but you know what i mean dont you..

a lot of crimes are done by drunken people but hardly any by people who are badly stoned lol

the worst thing that would happen is you would fall asleep

rant over. :)

That's exactly how our twisted world is as we speak. I was thinking today how alcohol lowers you, puts you on a lower level, of intelligence and in general. While cannabis puts you on that higher level, above the mindset of the normal. Ganja > alchy 100%

[russ-bob]

Haha i just wrote a paper on this same subject.

[Ganj]

"Nothing will change if we complain. Knowledge is not enough to make a difference."

Unless you complain to your local politico- then knowledge CAN make a difference. Politicians pay attention to VOTERS! If you remind them that 80% of the US public supports medical marijuana, if you remind them that YOU (and all your friends) want (at the minimum) legal medical marijuana, then we can make a difference! Have you written your congressperson lately??? Or are you just another apathetic stoner? Every letter is counted, by politicians, as 1,000 voters! So write a letter! Tell them what you think! Be a "mover and shaker"! (or would you rather things to stay as they are? busts, harassment and no help for those who need it most?) Be an activist!!! Write, gripe, and/or bitch!!! Your choice.

Granny:hippy:

I was being mellow dramatic. Duh! lol And yes, I am an "apathetic stoner." I'm working on the cure already. It is simply a steady, ardent and faithful mentality for an individual's objective. I don't even have goals!-yet. So all I can do is give guidance to those who are willing and able to act, while ignoring my own advice. *shrugs*

[Oneironaut]

Oh yeah Pot. Y'know, you're at a ball game, you're at a concert, someone is really violent, aggressive, obnoxious: drunk or smoking pot? Drunk. Never have I seen people on pot get in a fight because...it's impossible. "Hey, buddy!" "Hey what?" ........ End of argument. Say you get in a car accident and you've been smoking pot? You're only going 4 miles an hour. Crashhh! "Shit, we hit something!" "Forgot to open the garage door, dude." Least no one was hurt. The garage door has to be replaced, boom!, a job is created! We could be a self perpetuating civilization. Pay the garage fix it guy with pot. Boom, he walks out of your house through a plate glass window. Smasssh! "Oh shit, sorry". Thats OK, cause a job has been created. We'd just be a race of people walking around with tape and glue everywhere we go. "Hey how ya doin'?" "Cool, uh oh shit, sorry, here let me get that." "Oh, thanks." [mimics smoking] "OK, see ya!" "Oh sorry, let me get that."

â??Bill Hicks, R.I.P.

[benagain]

There's nothing wrong with having a drink. Some days I think I like beer a bit better than weed. Not often though. The problem with both sides of the argument is some people can't be responsible no matter that they're on. Assholes will be drunk assholes when drinking and stones assholes when smoking.
I've met plenty of dickheaded stoners that love to start a random fight for no reason. Dickheads don't need drugs, they just need a reason to be a dick.

[Skink]

a lot of people mix the 2...

[Oneironaut]

There's nothing wrong with having a drink. Some days I think I like beer a bit better than weed. Not often though. The problem with both sides of the argument is some people can't be responsible no matter that they're on. Assholes will be drunk assholes when drinking and stones assholes when smoking.
I've met plenty of dickheaded stoners that love to start a random fight for no reason. Dickheads don't need drugs, they just need a reason to be a dick.
You know, you're right. I'm not the biggest fan of alcohol, but I do occasionally have a drink, and it's not all bad. It helps me get over my social inhibitions and really be expressive around other people in a way that I'm usually not. I think I have that to thank for hooking up with this cute chick I met last night at the bar. I'm supposed to smoke her up tonight, and I don't think I would have her number if I was my usual shy non-drunk self. :rastasmoke:

[Reefer Rogue]

Ultimately it was you, not the alcohol. You may think you 'needed' that alcohol but really you didn't. In my humble opinion anyway. Toke on.

[Oneironaut]

Yeah, I know that. I didn't *need* it per se, but it certainly helped me achieve my goal. Just as I'm sure this dank ass weed will tonight. :D

[Reefer Rogue]

That's awesome dude, I wish you all the luck in the world. I'm so blazed rite now, this stuff i have is some sativa dominant potent bud.

[MacWQ33]

Personally I am all for the legalization of cannabis, and agree with everyone's take on that subject...and I think that's what this thread was about right? But, a lot of the posts just seemed to be 'alcohol-hating/bud praising' which I think is obviously a personal opinion, but it's just unnecessary.

It just seems most people here are misinformed...which is understandable, but it's just almost hypocritical in the sense that one would take such a position against a fun social legal drug, yet suck a fun chill illegal drug's dick [LOL I just had to say it that way, no offense haha].

When the fact of the matter is, there are wayyyy more responsible drinker's than irresponsible [read Benagin's post, it's very accurate]...and as far as fighting goes...it's not a good thing no, but seriously, that's pretty dumb to say you hate alcohol because it makes people fight more. That's like the dumbest thing I've ever heard actually. No offense meant at all, I just see some ridiculous stuff in this thread that I don't expect from my pals here.

And come on now, alcoholics are more prone to drink hard alcohol...if you stick with beer in moderation, it's basically as harmless as cannabis, unless of course you trick yourself into thinking otherwise like many here do.

Go crack open a nice cold beer and tell me you don't love it LOL. Actually though, now that I think about it...there are a lot of people who drink on here just by thinking back to my "Bit Too Drunk" thread and the "Favorite Beer" thread...it's all good...do what you do, but don't knock something just because YOU don't like it. Tons more people drink than smoke.

[mrdevious]

As I see it, the government is forcing us to use a much more dangerous drug just to keep somebody from getting high (as if they ever have). Consider the following;

- My friend's mom had a dad who was pretty much fine when sober, but when he got drunk he molested her repeatedly.

How many parents smoked some pot and thought "I'm gonna sexually assault my kids"?

- At hockey games, football games, concerts whatever, crowds of people get drunk and go on destructive riots.

How many riots are weed fueled? None.

- People get in drunken fights all the time.

How many stoned fights are there?

- Every year college students die from binge drinking contests. Some are rushed to hospital for alcohol poisoning. Lots of people have died from alcohol poisoning in other cirumstances.

How many people overdose on cannabis, one of the least toxic substances in the world?

- Alcohol is one of the only, if not the only, drugs that can kill you from the withdrawl.

So who's dying from cannabis withdrawl?

- Alcohol can cause bowel and especially rectal cancer.

Who gets cancer of any type from smoking weed?

- Alcohol indiscriminately destroys brain cells.

Weed only destroys cancerous glioma cells, and acts neuroprotectively on other brain cells.

- Alcohol damages the immune system considerably more than weed.

- Alcohol intoxicates you by releasing seratonin and poisoning you.

Weed intoxicates you by releasing seratonin and binding to cannabinoid receptors.

The high seratonin initially brought on by getting drunk makes you feel like you can handle much more alcohol. Then it plummets halfway through and you realize you've poisoned yourself. ( Like most, I learned that the hard way).

- Alcohol gives you blurred vision and makes you stumble about.

Weed enhances night vision, doesn't distort regular vision, and you can walk strait. Stoners walk around town and go to stores, getting munchies and the such, all the time. How many people get drunk then hang out at Starbucks and chat with their friends?

[MacWQ33]

You're right about everything, but those are all rare occurances. Except alcohol is not the only drug you can die from withdrawal, and that would only be after probably years of hard alcohol abuse every hour of the day. You could sit there and nitpick anything (except weed I guess), but that still doesn't mean it's not enjoyable and rare situations shouldn't be enough to display hate, but it's all good if that's your personal preference.

[thedanknshii]

when i smoke im peaceful, when i drink im chilled but i do have homeboys who get a little to much drinky drinky they turn into inconsiderate assholes

[Reefer Rogue]

In the list of pros and cons there is one obvious winner.

[Captain Hanks]

Society belittles the dangers of what they can benefit from. Alcohol is big business, cannabis grows wild. Seeing through their jokes as clear as day is the reason I choose to ignore all law that doesn't run parralel with my divine/natural rights.

[mrdevious]

You're right about everything, but those are all rare occurances. Except alcohol is not the only drug you can die from withdrawal, and that would only be after probably years of hard alcohol abuse every hour of the day. You could sit there and nitpick anything (except weed I guess), but that still doesn't mean it's not enjoyable and rare situations shouldn't be enough to display hate, but it's all good if that's your personal preference.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think alcohol is the root of all evil, in fact I'm having a drink of Bacardi Rum right now. I'm just saying weed is a healthier alternative with far less consequences, and it's thus rediculous to restrict the public to the one choice.

EDIT: Oh, and I know there's a few other drugs that can kill you from withdrawl, but it's pretty rare. Nicotine, heroin and opiates, crack/coke, methamphetamine, benziodiprenes, none of these will kill you from withdrawl (even if you feel like you're gonna die).

[Ganj]

Yeah, I know that. I didn't *need* it per se, but it certainly helped me achieve my goal. Just as I'm sure this dank ass weed will tonight. :D

What's wrong with a little self-medication anyway right? The more drunk you are the further your mind has transcended. Every beer you drink and all the shots you've taken has the capacity to heighten your inebriation to a fatality. That whole drinking to your death thing freaks me out. That's why I stay high.