everyone get together on this one with me

[invision]

this shit has to stop, read this and send a email to the bastards and let the voices be heard, i am sick of the lies and false information being put out there.

study or not this is just so wrong :mad:

Doctors: Pot triggers psychotic symptoms - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070430/ap_on_he_me/marijuana_mental_health;_ylt=AuF6._dSFXRhYt3IjkPSp fjMWM0F)

[Matt the Funk]

Sometimes I think it actually does...but not from a small dose....especially one given ONCE.

[invision]

Sometimes I think it actually does...but not from a small dose....especially one given ONCE.

see thats just it, when i 1ST got high i mean yeah i got mentally retarded for hours but this effect is gone in hours and they make it seems its life term....its just not cool

[Tom_Bom]

It sounds as though they were administered pure thc. This is NOT the same as smoking the plant. The plant has naturally soothing and relaxing chemicals in it that counter-act the psychosis and what not.

[420marijuana420]

Ya I just read that shit before I logged on here.

[wayoftheleaf]

That is Grade A Bullshit.

[420marijuana420]

good picture though

[Stellar]

Actually, I have thought about some things/factors in life whilst high on "pot," as I understand it is called. Some of those things and the realizations derived from thinking about them have radically altered the way i think, feel, act, and view everything for 10 or so years by now.

Some of these... Alterations toward my general perception of life, the world, and everything that is not me that I developed while I was deep in thought while high enough to take a walk with Jesus could be considered downright psychotic.

Not enough to drive me nuts or make me shoot up a 7-11 in the name of little debby and her delicious pastries. but, definately enough to know I wasn't always this way and some bits of the way I am now from all of it are volatile, and, practically dangerous.

Its always in how people handle themselves. Some people want attention drawn towards their stoner-thoughts and perceptions, or an excuse for why they are nimrods. Some people consider those factors a given in life and add them to the recipe.

[birdgirl73]

Folks, the thing about this study is that it was real. Sorry to burst your bubble, Invision, but science is science. It wasn't an indictment of THC or cannabis for everyone, but in some people, the evidence is clearly there that it can trigger psychotic episodes, paranoid delusions and hallucinations. They were talking about this at med school today. It was a solid study, and it was one of the more in-depth examinations of post-THC-consumption brain physiology there has been.

So you can't conclude this is a lie or a damaging affront to cannabis use. Most experts have known the psychotic response happens to a small group of people after exposure to THC anyway. Many more people can use it with no problems. It's time to grow up and realize that there's bad along with good, at least in a small, vulnerable group. That doesn't mean it's not beneficial for others. It still is. It simply means that for some people it's going to trigger those symptoms and shouldn't be used. We need to be grateful that they are even conducting such studies. There's far too little study being conducted. If we're ever going to do justice to cannabis, we have to accept that there'll be risks along with the benefits and tell the truth about both.

[iclotsofpills]

Folks, the thing about this study is that it was real. Sorry to burst your bubble, Invision, but science is science. It wasn't an indictment of THC or cannabis for everyone, but in some people, the evidence is clearly there that it can trigger psychotic episodes, paranoid delusions and hallucinations. They were talking about this at med school today. It was a solid study, and it was one of the more in-depth examinations of post-THC-consumption brain physiology there has been.

So you can't conclude this is a lie or a damaging affront to cannabis use. Most experts have known the psychotic response happens to a small group of people after exposure to THC anyway. Many more people can use it with no problems. It's time to grow up and realize that there's bad along with good, at least in a small, vulnerable group. That doesn't mean it's not beneficial for others. It still is. It simply means that for some people it's going to trigger those symptoms and shouldn't be used. We need to be grateful that they are even conducting such studies. There's far too little study being conducted. If we're ever going to do justice to cannabis, we have to accept that there'll be risks along with the benefits and tell the truth about both.

I was just about to tell you guys to wake up but you pretty much said it all birdie. Dead right it's not all good. I know it causes all kinds of negative stuff and is a drug that needs to be treated with a certain level of respect same as any other drug out there. My head does be fucked up half the time because of the weed.

pills.

[Stellar]

I use weed to stave off insanity, to be perfectly honest.

Its the reason for its existence in my universe.

To inhibit and repel insanity.

The theory that it could cause insanity or psychosiseses? Well, I don't believe I appreciate the notion. That's why I don't talk to random people about my substance use. After you tell them you're an an 8ball of crank, a 6 pack, and a quarter of bud, all of a sudden, even after a perfectly enlightning exchange of words and opinions, those brilliant observations and carefull exchanges become entirely drug related/induced to that person.

I'd rather get all lit up and have fun exhibiting a disposition in which you can't tell unless you're told.

[420MissHighTimes420]

Folks, the thing about this study is that it was real. Sorry to burst your bubble, Invision, but science is science. It wasn't an indictment of THC or cannabis for everyone, but in some people, the evidence is clearly there that it can trigger psychotic episodes, paranoid delusions and hallucinations. They were talking about this at med school today. It was a solid study, and it was one of the more in-depth examinations of post-THC-consumption brain physiology there has been.

So you can't conclude this is a lie or a damaging affront to cannabis use. Most experts have known the psychotic response happens to a small group of people after exposure to THC anyway. Many more people can use it with no problems. It's time to grow up and realize that there's bad along with good, at least in a small, vulnerable group. That doesn't mean it's not beneficial for others. It still is. It simply means that for some people it's going to trigger those symptoms and shouldn't be used. We need to be grateful that they are even conducting such studies. There's far too little study being conducted. If we're ever going to do justice to cannabis, we have to accept that there'll be risks along with the benefits and tell the truth about both.

You basically took the words out of my mouth. We live in a 50/50 world and nothing thats good comes with out the bad, it sucks but thats life. Pot really isn't for everyone. I have a good friend who gets really paranoid when she smokes and I always tell her to stop but she doesn't, I think she thinks it makes her look cool or something, man I hate highschool.

[timothylearyisdead]

So basically marijuana causes slight hallucinations and paranoia? HOLY SHIT! That hasn't been proven yet or anything! wow.

[420marijuana420]

So basically marijuana causes slight hallucinations and paranoia? HOLY SHIT! That hasn't been proven yet or anything! wow.

yaaaaaa, but it shouldn't be doing that to you after you come down.
That's what they were trying to say.

[Purple Banana]

As a person with schizophrenia, (I don't have paranoia) but very mild auditory/visual hallucinations and disorganized/odd thoughts, I can see where they're going. I don't get paranoid, nor do my hallucinations increase in number after a few bowls, but if I tend to smoke more often, say 5-7 days a week, I can definately feel a change in perception (i.e. I'll be walking somewhere, and I'll suddenly become hyper aware of my body, and have a very surreal feeling over me) if I smoke too many days in a row- normally, if I toke 2-3 times per week, these episodes don't occur, pot really helps me slow down and focus.

But think about it- all of this evidence that is coming out now about the still developing health benefits of cannabis; are people really going to become disheartened by a few negative effects, particularly a small-scale study on people who already have distorted reality?

[Matt the Funk]

As a person with schizophrenia, (I don't have paranoia) but very mild auditory/visual hallucinations and disorganized/odd thoughts, I can see where they're going. I don't get paranoid, nor do my hallucinations increase in number after a few bowls, but if I tend to smoke more often, say 5-7 days a week, I can definately feel a change in perception (i.e. I'll be walking somewhere, and I'll suddenly become hyper aware of my body, and have a very surreal feeling over me) if I smoke too many days in a row- normally, if I toke 2-3 times per week, these episodes don't occur, pot really helps me slow down and focus.

But think about it- all of this evidence that is coming out now about the still developing health benefits of cannabis; are people really going to become disheartened by a few negative effects, particularly a small-scale study on people who already have distorted reality? Word kinda...Except I do get paranoia...unknow what I have as I need to see yet another doctor for another opinion, but I do have psychotic episodes and I haven't smoked for the past few days because of it....Smoking can help bring out paranoid-psychotic episodes where I basically start tripping out like a crackhead. I get really bad anxiety,extreme paranoia, and my reality is way different then it should be. Weed doesn't cause hallucinations but it does do something to my brain. Sometimes it's positive, and sometimes it's negative. I can just say you guys are living in a cave. Some of you on here think just because YOU don't have the same experiences, that they aren't possible....

[IntoTheEther]

Similar article on the same study: BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis 'disrupts brain centre' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6606931.stm)

Although I realize that this was a very well-conducted study, and while I realize that, of course, there are risks associated with smoking pot, I still think the fear-mongering rhetoric that "THC levels are thought to have doubled in street cannabis in recent years" is bullshit.

First of all, the fact that potency has increased (which is probably true, just as crop yields of corn are increasing through selective mating and genetic engineering) simply means that people will smoke less plant matter for the same high, meaning less risk for cancer. Additionally, the position that THC has increased but cannabidiol (CBD, to use the BBC's abbreviation) has remained the same simply does not follow -- breeders breed for potency, not for THC levels at the expense of CBD levels. And finally, that cannabis use increases schizophrenic symptoms -- just like all other hallucinogens -- seems obvious; in my opinion, people with any form of illness should not use any drug without weighing the risks -- and there are, of course, risks -- against the benefits of the high (which, Purp, I'm sure you have done).

In short, while this study may be valid, experimentation should not be performed in order to prove what seems to me like a fairly clear fact; rather, as birdgirl said, studies should be performed to advance knowledge of this rather mysterious plant, not to bolster previous knowledge.