sensation grow log (help always welcome)

[stone_sensation]

O.K I'm back from college and bored out of my skull... I was going to wait for my second grow in order to start a grow log as I am already 5 weeks in but as it's my first time I need help so please be patient with me and i'll do my best.

I guess the first thing is I'm growing 6 plants, 4 of which are afghan and the other 2 I don't know, oh and.... I am broke (£1.20) on my debit lmao. Getting £30 on 1st May and some more funds as grand parents won premium bonds and are sharing (should be getting cheque soon [Not sure how much though]).

The equipment I have:


125W Hydrolite HPS Lamp
Ventilation that is not a problem.
Miracle grow multi purpose (6-5-5)


Equipment I will be investing in:


6x 15w CFLs on there way from ebay.
Mylar when I get some more cash in.
A better nute (please help me here).
and finally a hygrometer.


The history behind my plants is as follows:

I have 4 plants that are 5 weeks old, one is quite large compared to the rest. The others are small due to lack of light that I am trying to sort at the moment due to me purchasing 6 CFL's. The 4 plants have had a fairly stressful life to start with but have settled in now and are very slow growing (presumably due to the lack of light). I have repotted them in 1.5 gallon pots which will be there home from now on as I lack the space for bigger.

I have 1 plant that is 4 weeks old and looking much better foliage than the rest to be honest as it was always close to the HPS.

I have 1 plant this 1 week old and very small buy growing quick.

I am growing in my shed and will be building a grow compartment for protection and mylar walls. All plants are on a 18/6 lighting timer. Temperature is 17.C/60F ish expecting to increase with CFL's coming.

Names of plants:


Binladen (biggest).
Runt (was smallest now doing better).
Green giant (was biggest now more foliage and less height).
Herby (middle size).
Speckles (4 weeks old, had speckled seed).
Average Joe (small 1 week old).


Pics coming in a sec just gotta go get them lol :)

[stone_sensation]

For some reason the attach image link has gone.... why?

[stone_sensation]

Right I've got the pics and have had to upload them with Putfile atm. I scared the crap out myself when I found a hornet ontop of the grow light box, must be because its warm, plus i'm allergic to them. Anyways Shifted that now back to the pics:

Bin Laden:

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5301600

Average Joe:

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5301597

Green Giant:

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5301614

Herby:

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5301615

Runt:

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5301616

Speckle:

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5301619

Hope they are good :)

[Shovelhandle]

nice photos, but the plants look like they could use a lot more light. Still, they look happy.

Good Luck, Mr. Stoned Sensation

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

This Spring I've been growing at lower temps too. A little more heat would help them put on some soze too.

Shovelhandle

[stone_sensation]

cool cheers hoping my CFL's will come tomorrow or next day :)

What does anyone think about my nutes? I'm thinking of getting some superthrive?

[LaidZeppelin]

i looked at your plants, im a noob but ive done a ton of research over the last couple months but i would recommend getting a fan or something to thicken up that center stem...they are lookin real flimsy

[stone_sensation]

Oh really? I didn't know that a fan did that lol! How does it work? like i mean whats the science behind it. I'll get one right away, I got one kicking around here somewhere...

[fasts102376]

nice looking plants:thumbsup: as for nute's i would go with foxs farm..anybody that uses fox farm will tell u its great.. good luck with ur grow:)

[stone_sensation]

I was thinking on getting superthrive, is that a good idea?

[Shovelhandle]

superthrive is supposed to be very helpful. I haven't used any yet.
A fan is also important to help keep the plants from developing mold also.

Shovelhandle

[stone_sensation]

Cool, I am finding it hard to get hold of one to be honest as none of my family members have any and I am broke so cannot afford the £9.99 one in argos as I have invested my money in CFLs. I will ask some friends.

Also I have put together a checklist on what I am looking to purchase:


CFLs (should be on there way)
HPS (for flowering as my 125w will not be enough for 6 plants)
Superthrive
Fan
Hygrometer
More protective and solid growbox (built out of wood maybe) :)
Mylar (5m X 1m sheet on its way)
Clonex to clone my fems


**Also** FIMmed my plants today so hoping to receive good results when the CFLs come. Obviously didn't FIM Average Joe as he/she is too small :)

[stone_sensation]

Building a new grow box (dimensions 1m high, 1.2m wide and 0.7m deep) I'll post some pics soon.

[LaidZeppelin]

well the fan just simmulates the wind in nature and i guess its almost like a human muscle....the more light stress it gets the more tone it gets.....IDK...but a fan is a MUST. I know you maight be stressed on money but i made this into a grow box and it looks bad ass....im thinking of getting another one....one to use for veg and one for flower...


Workforce 30 In. Base Cabinet - $54.97 at Home Depot (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/jsearch/product.jsp?pn=100372345)

it isnt very tall but i needed something small and compact so its perfect.

also i used this link for topping:
How-To : Fimming and Topping made Easy - Grasscity.com Forums (http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/122559-how-fimming-topping-made-easy.html)

and this one helped explain LST:
How To LST (Low Stress Training) - Growing Marijuana (http://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/6834-how-lst-low-stress-training.html)

hope that helps i topped my plant last night and she is looking good so it seems to have worked for me...trust me i was scared as shit to take a scissor to my beutiful plant but i dont seem to have done damage...hope all these links helped....peace

[stone_sensation]

Thanks very much! These are well useful :) I'll let you know how things go :thumbsup:

[LaidZeppelin]

i would love to grow using LST but im using hydro and there is very little room in my box for something like that. plus my plant is so short and dense its crazy.... bending it would crunch all the leaves onto my bucket since they are so clumped together...hopefully this will just mean more bud sites without LST as it seems the use of topping and LST is to create dense plants....im using random seeds from a guy i smoked with once so i dont know what strain this is but its deffinatly indica..ill get some pics for you soon...keep up the good work..

[stone_sensation]

Cool let me know how your doing:)

[stone_sensation]

Growbox is built, its not that great till I get the CFL's and Mylar,but it's better :)

I also LSTed today and here are all the piccys :) I hope I LSTed right I don't like messing with them much :weedpoke:

The zoomed pic is of RUNT who wasn't getting much light so he looked like he was dying, i've sorted this now.

Some pics are before LST and after I couldn't be assed to order them.

[stone_sensation]

Ebay is Pissing me off, I want my CFL's , PH kit and Mylar :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:!!!!!!

[Bree1978]

Hey, don't lst anymore, until those stems are little stronger. Shouldn't be too long since you have a fan blowing on them now. Other ways to make sure you have strong stems: put your cfls as close to the plants as possible. That way your plant won't spend all it's energy and growth reaching for light. Don't overwater. This makes the whole plant be weak and not able to take in the proper nutrients to be strong...eventually would kill it.


you're doing a great job, keep up the good work!

Also, if you can get your hands on a little better fert with micro nutrients that would really be great (ive been using mg ap 24-8-16, use at 1/4 strength, then can go to higher concentration if plants respond well) for when the time comes. Also be thinking about ph, this will come into play more after you start feeding them! OOOPS< edit, I see you are already getting ready for that!


:jointsmile: Bree

[stone_sensation]

Thanks for the info. Yeh i'm scared enough as it is to touch them lol i will leave them for a week and also I haven't got the CFLs yet should be here tomorow or monday :). I've just got £25 so gonna get some superthrive and clonex and hygrometer ;) . I'm sticking to a water every 2-3 days scheme so fingers crossed they will do well, update tomorrow to say if they are reaching for the are turning or not.

[LaidZeppelin]

i used to have two plants and when they were tiny seedings i put a 2tube 4" shop light right on top of em...and i mean RIGHT ON TOP, only about 2 inches away from the tops, i still keep all my cfl very close and have had a very successful grow so far.. I love DWC cause i get to see the roots....they are so white and fluffy now it s so awesome.....i would recommend trying it for your next grow if you got a little cash to spend on a really cool experiment....i am loving it:thumbsup:

[stone_sensation]

I might just do that, probably on my third grow though as i would like to perfect my second grow :)

[Bree1978]

Thanks for the info. Yeh i'm scared enough as it is to touch them lol i will leave them for a week and also I haven't got the CFLs yet should be here tomorow or monday :). I've just got £25 so gonna get some superthrive and clonex and hygrometer ;) . I'm sticking to a water every 2-3 days scheme so fingers crossed they will do well, update tomorrow to say if they are reaching for the are turning or not.

You'll be looking to see if they stems are stretching. As in lots of stem to leaf ratio. We do fully expect to see the plants just turning tword the light, just don't want them putting all thier energy in getting to the light. And for the watering...take it from someone that has overwatered and underwatered...you'll only want to water when the pot is light and you poke your whole finger in the dirt and it's DRY....I'm not sure what the 2-3 day regimine is, sounds bad...if that is your only guideline. Sometimes I don't water for 6 days!

My first grow was done mostly with CFLS and tubes. I kept them as close as I possibly could to the plants. I'm on my second grow, still with problems. I believe that is something you will encounter with your first as well as your 100th! Again, you are doing really well.

:jointsmile: Bree

[stone_sensation]

Thanks and don't worry I have been checking the moistness first lol!!!!

[stone_sensation]

Wicked my 6x 15w CFL's came today and they are sweeeeet. £6 for 6 and they are brand new. Just going up the electrical store to get some hangers, I'll post you on updates :)!!

[stone_sensation]

Ok they are a very odd fitting so I've had to order it them over the net. They will be here saturday or monday!!! I have bought 2x 26w CFL's with bayonet fittings to get a better jump on the veg. Wiring them up now and will take a piccy for you all to see when its done :)

[stone_sensation]

Wicked got 2 set up OK, they are hard to position does anyone have any ideas how I can position them better, as it how it should be held?

Here are the piccys.

[stone_sensation]

I want to clone my plants, what do I need to buy and how and when do I do it?

[LaidZeppelin]

i had a few problems with my lights too. sometimes getting the clamps to fit right and hold my large double bulbs was a pain, wish i could offer advise butsince i cant see everything you have on hand to work with it would be hard to make something work....McGiever it, do you Brits know who McGiever is, just be as resourcful as possible and try to get those lights horizontal so more light will be cast on the plants... just an update on my grow...it has really taken off over the last 8 hours and im almost sure i topped correctly since there are more than 2 new shoots that appear to be emmerging from wher there should have only been one....started cooling my reservior with water bottle which apparently u should have been doing earlier and the plant is still a dense little guy although it seems its gonna stretch once i get to flower, cant wait to see if this is girl....lets keep our fingers crossed....

[stone_sensation]

Cool your grow sounds really good. I don't think I topped right on all the plants, but I will get some piccys tommorrow to see what happens. Might get some more fittings for the rest of my bulbs today (fingers crossed).

Measure my PH too, was about 6.0 so added a drop of Ph Up to my gallon bottle. Will measure again before I water, also going to check the temp.

*BTW* My Fan BROKE !!!! Why is it so damn hard to borrow a fan in this country lol.

[stone_sensation]

My two 26w CFL's haven't been on long and already I'm seeing amazing veg growth, average joe (coming up 1 1/2 weeks old) has sprouted 4 new leaves just overnight!!!

Will get some piccys for you tomorrow or monday, no point doing it yet as there isn't that much compared to last time.

[stone_sensation]

The sight of my plants all bent out being LSTed looks awful :( I will be getting the lampholders monday now so will update then.

[stone_sensation]

*Update* I've just put my CFL's horizontal, found an ok way to support them so it should be all good :).

[stone_sensation]

Pissed off :mad: sockets haven't come today and i rearranged my grow room for the better, but I lost a fan leaf on a plant and cut a bit off another by accident :'(.....

Will get pics tomorrow now as I am too busy.

[TheGreenFog]

Looking forward to pics. Don't worry about the leaves. They'll be alright. Just don't keep doing it. ;)


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[stone_sensation]

I'll try my best, girlfriend is here atm. So definitely pics tomorrow. I'll let you judge if they are looking alright. I don't like LSTing, but i want a good haul.

[LaidZeppelin]

Just an update on my grow....looks like im gonna kick it into flowering in a few days. Right now the plant is only about 9" tall but stretches almost 14" wide....this plant is insane....decided to go with a 2' 4 bulb T5 fluorescent light so heat wont be a problem inside the cab. Really hoping its a female!!!! Can't wait for some pics those plants should start taking off soon!

[stone_sensation]

yeh definitely especially when I get the rest of the lights going. You have to post some piccys up of yours mate looking forward to seeing it. :D

[Bree1978]

If you don't like to LST, you can not do it! It's not absolutely necessary! You just can get a better yield with CFL's doing it. I wouldn't worry about that leaf. I'm excited to see the update!

:jointsmile: Bree

[stone_sensation]

O.K heres the update on pics. Needless to say the plants are looking pretty awful all bent over, but I'm sure they will perk up.

Right another thing is still no fittings for my CFL's, therefore I am ordering some new ones. Also go a pic of my current horizontal set up with HPS lamp working overhead the others.

Superthrive came today, looking forward to see how that works out.

And still no mylar as the ebayer is still having paypal problems.

Just to remind you:

Average Joe: 2 weeks
Speckle: 4/5 weeks
Runt: 6 weeks
Green Giant: 6 weeks
Bin Laden: 6 weeks
herby: 6 weeks ( looks very little like a MJ plant lol, but definitely is :) )

Plans: Going to get these fittings and let them all veg a little longer.

[stone_sensation]

Here are the rest and please help with suggestions.

[stone_sensation]

Argg Runt didn't post up heres the last one.

[Bree1978]

In the very first pic, I'd move that one so that it is completely under the light instead of off to the side. You may just move the cont. in a half circle, at least it appears so. Are they within two inches of the tops of the plants? If so, looks great! I think you will have a lot faster growth now! Just keep them close! You can always adjust the plant height instead of fiddling with the lights too!

:jointsmile: Bree

[stone_sensation]

The CFl's are yes and the HPS a little higher, I was expecting my sockets yesterday for the rest of my lights but no luck so thats why the other lights are a far away from CFL's I am taking it in turns on who gets the CFLs lol

[stone_sensation]

How about my LSTing should I stop or is it looking ok that i can carry on?

[Bree1978]

I wouldn't daresome touch the littlest one....in fact, it seems they are quite short and not unruly yet so I'd leave them alone for awhile! Looks really good! I must have missed where it says you have an HPS...! Now I have to look for that.

:jointsmile: Bree

[Bree1978]

? I'm confused about the HPS. Is there a pic of it?

Bree

[stone_sensation]

Nope lol it is there though basicly, I have 2 plants under the 2 Cfls, then the other 4 are being supplied light from my 125w Envirolite HPS that is about 6 inches above them until I get my other CFL's sorted.

[stone_sensation]

Anyone got any other suggestions I could try? Maybe I could LST only for a little while so there is almost a half turn etc?

[Bree1978]

Just leave the lsting alone until you need to tie them down again. You'll know when this happens, trust me! (you are trying to keep an even canopy, letting light evenly reaching the tops as best you can)


Also, I'm confused. I thought Envirolites were florescents? I'm obviously not from GB.

:jointsmile: Bree

[stone_sensation]

lol hang on :) heres a link to what i bought

eBay.co.uk: GENUINE ENVIROLITE 125W GROW LAMP 6400K VEG (item 130095695745 end time 05-Apr-07 18:29:48 BST) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130095695745)

OMFG it is a Flourescent light lmao. Sorry about that. Guess I should get it closer then hehe.

Thats cool. My new sockets should be here by thursday if all goes well. Will update with new light setup then. Please feel free to help me still I will be checking this thread constantly.

Btw when do I take a clone of a plant?

[stone_sensation]

Surpisingly sockets came today! Here is my new setup and there is another light behind the big one :)

When do I clone my plants?

[Markass]

good looking grow you've got there:thumbsup:

[stone_sensation]

I'm thinking there is gonna be a lot of heat produced so now seriously looking for a new fan.

About cloning.... When do I do it?

Oh Oh Oh and i've had some spiders building webs around the lights, shall I let them settle there as they may capture the bugs or shall I remove them and if so with what pesticide?

[LaidZeppelin]

cant remember if you said it but this is your first grow correct...your plants should really start taking off now.....what is your light schedule right now? there should be days were you dont look at the plants and when you come back they look like they have exploded with growth....thats how it was for my plant....AMAZING how much they can grow in a 12 to 15 hour period. I just put my plant into flowering last night at 9pm.....if its a girl i will get you some picks, if its a boy imnot even gonna fuck with getting a camera....looks like my topping method will produce AT LEAST 4 main colas....this should be fucking sweet.....im gonna get a T5 with some bloom bulbs soon...the only problem is i can get the light fixture at a hydro shop with cool 6500k bulbs but now i have to order 3000k or 3500k bulbs for the bloom cycle....hopefully this wonttake too long. I have to wait till i get paid to get the light and order the bulbs so by the time I am certain of sex i should have my complete bloom setup....if any of you are curious about T5 plus cfl grows and what your final yeild can be, i recommend tracking my post i will start a log once i determine if i have a female on my hands...also check out BOBBONG's cfl grow ....SIMPLY AMAZING what he did with these lights...if you cant use hps like myself CFL and T5 are the next bast option and with advanced topping and LST techniques you CAN produce a very descent yeild and quality bud. I know it isnt ideal but with practice its possible, dont listen to alot of these people who insist on having HPS for personal grows, yes it is better and easier but if you simply cant deal with the heat because of confined spaces than you gotta do it this way...it is very irritating to here people say you need a 600w HPS for 2 plants in a cabinet....get good cfls and effective reflection and you can make it happen...

[stone_sensation]

cool well I only have CFLs and HPS really isn't an option.

I'm on a 18/6 schedule and I will water tomorrow and check on the weekend.

Please post up the url to ure thread so I can track it. Very busy atm so will check when I can thanks for advice and maybe we can help eachother.

[LaidZeppelin]

Turns out my plant was a boy, hate seeing those fucking balls, but the good news is I just got 10 free papaya seeds from my friend and he also gave me the Indoor Marijuana Horticulture by Jorge Cervantes so ill be germing the new papaya tonight and start all over again.....ill still get my t5 so i should have a quick and healthy veg cycle and lets pray to god these are girls cuase this is some goooooood seed..


http://www.dutch-seeds.nl/product_info.php?currency=USD&name=Papaya&products_id=67&osCsid=4f8c99638bf5aa9a8f2dd7ee3800ec2c

seed is also very good since its a short plant so it should be awesome for my cab...hope to get a mother and CLONE CLONE CLONE!

[stone_sensation]

Sounds awesome, How many are you going to do at a time? 2?

Still someone tell me when to clone lol? and about my spider problem above.

[LaidZeppelin]

You can cloone when you find out the sex of the plant......this makes since because you dont wanna waste time cloning males......also it is best to wait until you know which plant is the strongest....ie...naturally disease resistant with strong roots and healthy stem and also produces quality yeild.....wait till you find a good strong female and clone her...once my grow is started I plan on keeping a mother and constantly have two plants vegging and two plants flowering......to do this i can clone a mother or hopefuly any of the females that are in the flowering box.....once i get one female and can produce strong plants regularly i shouldnt need a mother and can just clone from the new flowering plants......wait till sex is determined is the answer...

[stone_sensation]

ok cool When i am done with this batch i was going to do the same idea as you with a 4week veg, 8 week veg, 4 week flower and 8 week flower(harvest and keep rotating through them.

[stone_sensation]

To be honest my plants are quite small. What yield should I be expecting and i know it will just be a estimate?

Plus. When I post some pics up monday can you see if you think they are ready for flowering.

[LaidZeppelin]

thereisreally no way to tell about the yield...however, if you wanna maximize it i think you should get some better reflection....if at all possible you may wanna start building of find something you can use as a grow box...that way you can line the entire thing with mylar and get the most out of the fluorescent lights......those lights are emmiting a good amount of lumens but as of right now at least half are getting spit above the plants and out, this is of no use to your plants.....i dont think you can expect a descent yield with fluorescents unless you have extremely effective reflection! Actually the rule is you cant expect descent results from any light without descent reflection...you are also wasting money on your power bill since your using watts that arent used at all by the plant....You NEED to enclose that area and reflect light all over it to expect much of anything.....if you look on these boards the best grows with cfl's are trashcan or small cab grows....ITs because of the reflection!

[stone_sensation]

ok cool I might have 2 grow boxes for space and convenience, I'll have to find something to use though.

[KL4D4]

CFL's for me at least grew whispy buds even with reflection and I had like 250+ w's of power running in there even

[stone_sensation]

:S doesn't sound good :( I'll have to conisder purchasing a HPS, but we'll see :)

[stone_sensation]

I have 222w of power atm. Is that enough to flower 6 plants?

[stone_sensation]

And the problem with reflection is My dodgy light setup lol. Its very fragile ;). I'll have to invent something new :D!

[stone_sensation]

Hiya All got some more piccys for you peeps :D

The Plants

Right for some of you who don't know where my plants are at:

Average Joe- 3 Weeks
Speckle- 6 weeks
Runt- 7 weeks
Binladen- 7 weeks
Herby- 7 weeks
Green Giant- 7 weeks


What I'm Plotting

Well from all the comments above it seems like its time to build a new grow box or two so here are my plans:


1 Veggy grow box for herby and average J. until they are good enough to flower and then I will use it as a veggy grow box for two plants from then on.
1 Flowering box for my other 4 plants.
ALLLLLL lined with mylar, flowering box will contain my 125w Flourescent and more.
Getting another fan today hopefully.


Questions For You?

Few questions and please answer them all.


Are Speckly, Runt, Green Giant and Bin Laden ready to flower?
Pots are 12", any suggestions for suitable grow boxes (No Cabs)?
Finally, there are some brown spots on herby and minimal on others(NOT Burn spots), any idea what they might be?


Thanks alot, one of my piccys is a spider living in my grow room lol :).

[stone_sensation]

Here are the rest :)

I lost my spidey pic :(

[stone_sensation]

*Not light burn spots* and also... I didn't get my fan today :'( Tesco were sold out !!

[invision]

they look fine to me.....

some info though.....

whats the PH?

temps?

nutes using or planning?

soil?

[stone_sensation]

Ph is around 6.5-7

Temps are usually around 80

Using miracle grow multipurpose 6-5-5 and Superthrive

soil is multipurpose compost from B&Q that drains well

[stone_sensation]

Questions For You?

Few questions and please answer them all.


Are Speckly, Runt, Green Giant and Bin Laden ready to flower?
Pots are 12", any suggestions for suitable grow boxes (No Cabs)?
Finally, there are some brown spots on herby and minimal on others(NOT Burn spots), any idea what they might be and why is it so mishaped and retarded?

[stone_sensation]

Made my grow box smaller today and set timer to 12/12 so starting to flower today. Mylar will come tomorrow or thursday, but my grow box isn't suitable to stick it to so I am trying desperately to find something better.

[stone_sensation]

Ok so I started flowering yesterday and it's still dark period. Mylar might come today and I've got some old toyboxes I might be able to rig up as cabs, we'll see later.

[stone_sensation]

Damn the toyboxes weren't as big as I thought, please seriously need help on a new grow box I'll get pics of my current setup. Oh and Mylar didn't come today :(

[stone_sensation]

Just went and got some pics. This is my terrible grow box and there is no lid.

I need suggestions for new ones!!!

[whisky]

hey there nice grow you got going. maybe you could cover the top of the box with black garbage bags and make some sort of teepee, thats what i did. you just poke your head between the bags when you wana look it there :D
good luck, ill keep in touch :p

[stone_sensation]

cool what are they for? to stop light getting in?

[stone_sensation]

Just found that the PH was on 7-7.5 so lowered it to 6-6.5!

Also I made some tabacco juice as a pesticide.... Does it really work?

Please reply quickly.

[invision]

hey stone do you have a old tall dresser around?

thats all my cab is was a 4 draw dresser converted over and then made a door for it, i dont see any fans in there....are there?

sucks you need a grow box so soon hmmmmm...........

[stone_sensation]

Nope there isn't any which sucks, I think I have a good idea though just waiting to see if I get a hps. Basicly I'll have 2 sets of shelves(the kind that stands up in your room not on the wall type). And then put them together remove some shelves and board it up as a box. then mylar it :) See what happens.

And I nope I don't the only ones I have are like mahogany and family value, the others are too small :(.

[stone_sensation]

2 days into flowering and no sign of sex, thinking its the lack of light?

[stone_sensation]

Is 2 and a half foot tall enough for a grow box?

[stone_sensation]

Bah this is getting tedious, being outbid on HPS lamps really p**ses me off :(

[stone_sensation]

Mylar came yesterday so made my new grow box, here are piccys. I am in the process of getting a HPS now!

[whisky]

yes its to stop light from getting in there should be pitch black during dark period. cfls are great dont underestimate. some strains take 1-2 weeks to show sex then 1-3 more to start budding

[Bree1978]

2.5 tall is doable, but you will need to LST bigtime. You are doing so freaking good, stone..Keep up the good work!

:jointsmile: Bree

[SilentHawk36]

Hey stone,

Nice grow log. Would you mind becoming a regular to check mine.

Loved your input so much i could really use your help/opinions.

Its in the basic growing> grow log > Hawk36 you can't miss it.

Thanks,

Hawk.

[TheGreenFog]

Mighty ghetto, there, Sensation...but, hey, your plants look good! :D Hope you whip that thing into shape soon. If you are flowering, you must look at keepign it light-tight during dark periods. Be cool. :jointsmile:


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[stone_sensation]

Thanks for the input guys, I won't be putting pictures up this week because only a little has changed.

I have ordered a 250w HPS lamp so will come this week :)!!!

I am not relying on the grow box to be 100% lightproof, thefore I will be patching it up this week to stop that bastard daylight :D.

Btw I now have a working fan :D lol finally!

[FreeVenice]

Nice grow bud, I'm going to keep an eye on this. . .

[Markass]

looking great dude, keep it up:thumbsup:

[stone_sensation]

My 250w HPS has arrived and I've positioned it OK. Really waiting to see if I can pick out any boys before I position it perfectly for the rest of the ladies. So far no real signs of sexing although I can see definite change happening.

I will try and get some pics for you guys later.

[LaidZeppelin]

lemme know how much heat is comming off of that 250 bacause i may decide to get one myself...just an idea of how much ventilation it needs!

[stone_sensation]

well its pretty warm to my hand about 5 inches away but with 3x 80mm pc fans and an oscillating fan you should be fine. I haven't got a thermometer atm its gone walkies :(.

[stone_sensation]

Here ya go peeps, not really pics of my plants but you can see em there.

Picture 1 is of my new HPS light in the setup at the top of the image (the big white thing) and there is also my envirolite in the middle of the image (you can see I've removed the little CFLs.

Picture 2 is of my new cloning/veging bedside table cupboard that I've rigged with fans, mylar and 2x26w CFLs.

Picture 3 is showing how discreet it is (there will be an england flag covering everything apart from the fans.

Picture 4 is the inside with average Joe already being LSTed (I'm starting early this time because I did it to late with the last lot.

I felt there was no point in taking pics of the plants yet until I have sexed them :). Shouldn't be long now :D.

[stone_sensation]

Just had to LST again they are taking up so much TALL space :P

[Tomthehippie]

Looking good man! :)

[rottenfork]

nice mate nice.............

[stone_sensation]

Well very unfortunate for me and I am mildy PISSED OFF, but shit happens so:

From the plants that are on flower I have 3 definite males, 1 potential male (really hard to tell so keeping my hopes up) and 1 where I am not sure.

I will be emailing the seedbank to see if I can blag some free seeds for this disappointment.

I still have my youngling which is still in my cab next to me. It's 5/6 weeks old no pics yet.

Sorry for not updating i've been away for the past week. Here are some pics.

No pics of Speckle cos i forgot but it's about as big as the others without signs of sex.

Oh and what shall I do? Chuck em or keep them incase the others turn male and I can just have half the high from them?

[stone_sensation]

More pics.

[stone_sensation]

I sent an email to the seed bank asking what the F**k was going on, they replied:

Hello !

Probability of at least 1 female plant:

1 seed: 50%
2 seed: 75%
3 seed: 87.5%
4 seed: 93.75%
5 seed: 96.875%
6 seed: 98.43%


Thanks for interest,
Cindy,
AMS-crew

.............

So 5 out of 5 plants are male..... 3.125% chance and I hit the bullet :mad:!!

I am still growing them however. I don't know when to harvest males so could use some help here. I may update with images of them every so often, but my main concentration is on the plant still growing in my cab that i'll be getting pics of for you.

[orangeman]

Wait, all of the plants are males?

[rottenfork]

thats bad luck, my plants showed sex this week aswell, i was fortunate enough to get 3 females from 4 k2 seeds, get some more seeds and start again,you have everything you need dont waste your time continuing with this grow if you are sure they are all males. stay safe mate!!

[stone_sensation]

Yep 5 out of 5 are males :(

[Tomthehippie]

man its a pain i no.. but the thing is your environment dictates the sex. When a seedling is about 2 weeks old thereâ??s loads of factors with in your grow room that will influence the out come of your plant.

An experienced growers female success ratio will most likely be higher than a novice as they no all the tricks. Whatâ??s your setup, temps and feed schedule with in your room?

The seed banks do test to check the f to m ratio they cant really be blamed! :)

[stone_sensation]

Well being very honest my setup in the first 3 weeks was terrbile. 5 plants sharing 1x125w Flouro, there were no nutes and no oscillating fan!

Now my setup is 1x125w fluoro, 1x250w HPS and 2x26w cfls. There is an oscillating fan with plent of mylar around.

[stone_sensation]

pics of males soon, sorry painter and decorater lingering around :(

[stone_sensation]

Btw feed schedule was with every watering, too much? I've just read I should be doing it every 3 waterings.

[Bree1978]

Herby is male, Bin Laden male, Green Giant undetermined by pics, Runt undeterminable by pics as well.

I'd leave the last two in there. They might turn around.

As other posters have mentioned, the most likely cause of all the plants being male (if that is in fact the case) was the stressful start of thier lives, not the seedbank's fault. NO nutes for the first three weeks is GOOD, not bad. But lack of light combined with the stale air could not have been good. If I remember correctly, your plants were pretty weak stemmed in lieu of this fact. I've got my fingers crossed that one of those two in fact is a female!


Good Luck, :jointsmile: Bree

[stone_sensation]

Thanks Bree, but those pics are nearly a week old and I can say now that I have 4 out of 5 definite males and waiting for the painter and decorator to leave before I check the last one.

Don't forgot I still have the little one in the cab and hopefully the last of the 5 will be female. What shall I do with the males, my brother and my friend say I should keep the males as they will still be smokable, what is your opinion?

[stone_sensation]

Here are yo piccys.

Average Jane : 6 Weeks old, in my cabby.

Herby: 11 weeks old and quite a relief it wasn't female or it would have produced a crappy yield.

Bin laden: 11 weeks old and would have produced some big buds if were female.

[stone_sensation]

More piccys:

Green Giant: 11 Weeks nothing to say, other than it might be a sorta hermy?

Runt: 11 weeks, definite male now :).

[stone_sensation]

Last piccy of Speckle which I forgot.

Still not showing sex so I've put it directly under the HPS.

Hoping that renaming my Average Jane will make it a female as it has proven bad luck naming the with boys names before.

Still wondering what I should do with the males ?!?!?!

[Bree1978]

Throw the males out.

I still can't tell on Green Giant either...What makes you think it is a hermie?

I have a hard time telling from the tops in pics....I'm better with nodes.

I'm still watching and hoping for some females for you.

GL

:jointsmile: Bree

[stone_sensation]

Ok it has balls but it seems more bushier than the rest as you can kinda see from the image. Sorry I will get more space after chucking some out so i can get some better images.

Thanks for the advice.

[personal growth]

just tell them to suck there nuts up to make and act like a woman.....LOL
hope you get better luck with the females....:smokin:

[stone_sensation]

Speckle is a girl!!! Noticed few cystils.

Pics Monday....

Chucking the boys out in the garden now :D

[Tomthehippie]

nice1! :)

[rottenfork]

good stuff

[stone_sensation]

I'm trying to clone in soil, how do I do this.

All I have is superthrive and one clone pretty much died overnight :(.

[r00tdoctor]

sensation give the simple water cloning method I posted in this thread a try: (scroll down to my post)
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/118895-different-method-cloning.html

And after you have success (or if you have questions) let me know.

[stone_sensation]

Ok thanks alot mate keep looking at my thread and i'll have piccys for you :)

[stone_sensation]

I'm doing the water method of cloning and I have placed my clones in the water with foil over.

Heres my piccy.

I can't get the clones to stay straight up... Is this a problem?

[Tomthehippie]

looking good man! might wanna trim a few fan leaves off but im sure therell do fine regardless. :)

[Tomthehippie]

I can't get the clones to stay straight up... Is this a problem?

Nope, as long as there hitting the water thats fine.

[r00tdoctor]

Im glad your trying this method it has worked well for me on my current grows and when I grew years ago.

[stone_sensation]

good I'll update tomorrow ciao :)

[Dizzy1]

Glad some girls showed up for you!
And I fully understand about naming them before finding out the sex. :p

If you read my log you can see I try my best to tip toe around the subject, but that doesn't mean I don't have my fingers crossed!

Keep it up!

[stone_sensation]

Thanks :) I'll post more clone piccys today :)

[stone_sensation]

Cloning piccys :).


Going to check the mother and her friend :) Pics of them monday :D

[Bree1978]

Nice job, I'm watching.

:jointsmile: Bree

[stone_sensation]

Day 3 of clones and they are looking nice and healthy. No real signs of rooting yet, only slight amount of water is being absorbed.

As for those males I chucked in the garden....

They are producing pollen already, just blew on one and loads came out. Also Runt is an hermie lmao. Loadsa a balls and noticed some cystils too. Get some seeds then hehe.

They are all a gorgeous shade of purple, I will get pics for you soon.

No pics of females till monday, want to show some improvement hehe :D

[stone_sensation]

PS. I say females meaning 1 female and assuming the new vegger is a female.

[stone_sensation]

Here are those pictures for you showing the lovely purple male, the hermy male and a group shot of two plants from the same strain but how different they look because of the different environments... You can tell which one had the favoured conditions :).

[stone_sensation]

Day 4 of cloning, haven't check roots, will do tomorrow :) and get piccys for you :)

No wilting.

Clone on the left had cystils but they are disappearing :) back to veg I hope.

[stone_sensation]

Topped up the water today and looked for root development. None as yet and the stems gone a bit brown on the bottom :wtf: ... Dunno what that means.

[stone_sensation]

Thought I would take this time to update you on the Lady and her little Friend.

Just to update you on info:

Speckle is 1 week into flower.

Average Jane was vegged 6.5 weeks and has been on 12/12 for 3/4 days.

Here are those pics.

[stone_sensation]

Well they haven't rooted thats the biggest problem.

The other is that they are still flowering!!!! :(

The third problem is that one of the clones' stem wasn't in the water overnight and has wilted baddddd :(

I would have thought after ten days that it would have shown roots.

[stone_sensation]

Dried out clone is getting better now with only the fan leaves that have died. They both have a little root (4mm) starting.

Female is doing good (pics tomorrow) and her friend was a male.... lmao.

[stone_sensation]

Clones are doing good and rooting looking good. Are they ready for transplanting to soil yet?

Sorry Images aren't that clear.

[stone_sensation]

Week 2, 2 days into flower.

Here is the piccys.

[stone_sensation]

Transplanted the sick looking plant. Probably in shock because it hasn't done anything. Still misting to keep it moist and keeping the soil damp.

The other clone will be ready soon, just waiting to see if this one survives first :).

Any help would be much appreciated.

[stone_sensation]

Still waiting for the transplant plant to do anything, its scary :(.

Clone still in water will be ready soon :).

[stone_sensation]

Transplanted clones and they are perking up. Pics of all tomoz!

[r00tdoctor]

Glad your clones took, told you it is an easy method. Nice job bro.

[stone_sensation]

Clones have been transplanted and tooken nicely. Just started to add ferts (Neptunes harvest fish emulsion and drop a superthrive).

Flowering lady is near about 4 weeks into flower and shes smelling nicely :).

[hydrocannabis]

she is def looking nice. and the clone too.

[stone_sensation]

I have had some major lighting issues this week with the timers sticking on and off. I am in the process of buying new ones ASAP.

[stone_sensation]

New timer working and I have transplanted the clones into bigger pots.

I am using one clone for a mothering plant and the other has gone into my flowering box.

I will have piccys for you on monday next week.

Ciao for now.

[rottenfork]

that sounds like a plan man, catch ya later

[stone_sensation]

Here are those updates, sorry they are late.

One pic is of the new flowering clones and the others is the one 5 weeks in. They are taken outside while I was light proofing the box.

When it comes to harvest how do I know if it is ready as I don't have access to a microscope!!?!?!?!

Another Question is I am about to start adding sugar to the water, how much to I add per Gallon?

[stone_sensation]

Haven't posted in a while, things are looking good will post pics tomorrow and you guys can tell me what you think on when I should be expecting harvest :)

[stone_sensation]

Here are those updates:

Just a recap, The large lady is 7 weeks into flowering. I have stopped nutes and sugar, please correct me if I should continue.

Other plant is just starting to flower.

How long do you guys think is left till harvest?

Buds are quite small, presumably because of those earlier light leaks.

[stone_sensation]

Close to cutting now.

Its week 8 and my microscope should be here soon!

Some pics for you including before and after trimming etc.

Also a little pic of a seed in amongst the crop :).

[stone_sensation]

Sorry for no updates lately, been busy drying and posting in the Basic growing forum. I will post pics of dried bud on monday next week.

[stone_sensation]

The grow has come to an end everyone and unfortunately my brother decided he would take his half before pics so this is only half.

Small yield, but as a first time was very succesful.

Perhaps I cut to early as it is a very heavy head high, but nevertheless it is good stuff.

As you know I have clones and will post updates in basic growing forum every so often.

Happy growing all peace out!:hippy:

[Gorlax]

Nice. im jealous truely