why do people hate God if they dont belive in Him

[jdmarcus59]

it seems to me that there is a lot of anger, and misunderstanding that goes on here, God does not force Him self on any one, He gave you the freedom
to belive are not belive. And the light came into the world, and this light was
the life of men..

[Samwhore]

I don't hate God because I don't believe in him, I hate the idea of a God.

[Matt the Funk]

Lol....ever think as a living creature you have the right to do whatever the fuck you want....and that it wasn't GIVEN to you?

[jdmarcus59]

I don't hate God because I don't believe in him, I hate the idea of a God.

why would you hate the idea of God?

[jdmarcus59]

Lol....ever think as a living creature you have the right to do whatever the fuck you want....and that it wasn't GIVEN to you?

who gave you that right as a living creature?

[Samwhore]

why would you hate the idea of God?

Um, I'm not going to go into that.

[bobbygreenbear]

i think this is an interesting question; perhaps one would hate the idea of god because one doesn't want to feel responsible to some "higher" power or believe that your life was made by someone else. it entitles a sense of responsibility and obedience maybe. i could understand that.

[JaggedEdge]

Someone can not hate God, and not believe in him. But if there is a god, based on what I see around me, I don't like him very much. But like Samwhore said, many hate the idea of God, or organized religion, but you can't hate what you don't belive even exists.

I on the other hand am agnostic, I simply don't feel I have enough info to support either belief. I'm basically keeping my options open until I get furthur proof one way or the other.

I can still dislike him, it what ever you have it. There are many things to dislike of him. It is actually much harder to reason out the devil, hence to the non-believer, everything good and bad is the result of God (if he does exist). Religion only credits God with the pleasent things and what is found in the Old Testement. I credit him with what the devil is credited for.

[Just1n]

I have trouble grasping the idea of God as percieved through Christianity. This only because after studying it's effects, particularly among western civilization, I can tell you that some of the most fucked-up things happened in the name of religion. Some of the most atrocious, unimaginable things that one human being can do to another were done to appease the Christian God.

So I believe that many people who are athiest don't 'hate god', they simply hate the idea of a God who finds utility in suffering amongst innocent people.

[Matt the Funk]

who gave you that right as a living creature? YOU give yourself that right, if you are smart or ignorant enough. The ability to think gives everyone freedom.

[Coelho]

Thats a very good question, jdmarcus59... and for me, it seems people which hates god are the ones which need Him more, the ones who feels ignored by Him, and dont want to admit it even to themselves, so they hate Him, and says they dont believe Him.
But, as you asked, how can anybody hate a thing they think does not exist?

[Polymirize]

Here's what I'd say...
I hate god for being such an insufferable prick all the time.
I hate god for being an ace in the hole for all the religious crazies out there who think it's a great idea to have 8 kids and get them all an SUV.
I hate god for giving doctrine to his followers that allows them to not only target and exterminate people of other creeds, colors or backgrounds, but to feel morally superiour while doing so.
I hate god for trying to make all the nuts think that life will be so much better after they're dead.
I hate god for making this earth a pale shadow of the garden, just so everyone feels ok about destroying it.
I hate god for promising us an endtime, because all of a sudden current events such as war, hunger and pollution seem much less pressing.

And lastly, I hate god for making the platypus for nothing more than his own sick amusement.


All the above and more. That's why I'd hate god if I thought he even existed. As such, I think it's the just mindset that blows...

[Coelho]

Here's what I'd say...
I hate god for being such an insufferable prick all the time.
I hate god for being an ace in the hole for all the religious crazies out there who think it's a great idea to have 8 kids and get them all an SUV.
I hate god for giving doctrine to his followers that allows them to not only target and exterminate people of other creeds, colors or backgrounds, but to feel morally superiour while doing so.
I hate god for trying to make all the nuts think that life will be so much better after they're dead.
I hate god for making this earth a pale shadow of the garden, just so everyone feels ok about destroying it.
I hate god for promising us an endtime, because all of a sudden current events such as war, hunger and pollution seem much less pressing.

And lastly, I hate god for making the platypus for nothing more than his own sick amusement.


All the above and more. That's why I'd hate god if I thought he even existed. As such, I think it's the just mindset that blows...

I dont believe in this god you talks about either. The God i follow is very different of that you described. And i sincerely pity the people that believes in that god you mention, and think they're right doing so...

[VaporDaddy]

it seems to me that there is a lot of anger, and misunderstanding that goes on here, God does not force Him self on any one, He gave you the freedom
to belive are not belive. And the light came into the world, and this light was
the life of men..

Wait! I thought God was a woman.
WTF?

[jdmarcus59]

I have trouble grasping the idea of God as percieved through Christianity. This only because after studying it's effects, particularly among western civilization, I can tell you that some of the most fucked-up things happened in the name of religion. Some of the most atrocious, unimaginable things that one human being can do to another were done to appease the Christian God.

So I believe that many people who are athiest don't 'hate god', they simply hate the idea of a God who finds utility in suffering amongst innocent people.

no your wrong some of the most fucked up things happen because of man,
cause if you think that man is the answer, well then I think the qustion must
be wrong, for man has been in charge now for to long, and just look around
were killing everyone..

[jdmarcus59]

YOU give yourself that right, if you are smart or ignorant enough. The ability to think gives everyone freedom.
were did you come from that you would have these rights, how did you
gain this ability to think?

[PsychoticEpisode]

no your wrong some of the most fucked up things happen because of man,
cause if you think that man is the answer, well then I think the qustion must
be wrong, for man has been in charge now for to long, and just look around
were killing everyone..

As an alternative you want a mythical being to take charge. In that case, I vote for Father Christmas.:thumbsup: He'll be much more fun than the fucked up psycho god that the bible and the koran talk about.

[jdmarcus59]

Here's what I'd say...
I hate god for being such an insufferable prick all the time.
I hate god for being an ace in the hole for all the religious crazies out there who think it's a great idea to have 8 kids and get them all an SUV.
I hate god for giving doctrine to his followers that allows them to not only target and exterminate people of other creeds, colors or backgrounds, but to feel morally superiour while doing so.
I hate god for trying to make all the nuts think that life will be so much better after they're dead.
I hate god for making this earth a pale shadow of the garden, just so everyone feels ok about destroying it.
I hate god for promising us an endtime, because all of a sudden current events such as war, hunger and pollution seem much less pressing.

And lastly, I hate god for making the platypus for nothing more than his own sick amusement.


All the above and more. That's why I'd hate god if I thought he even existed. As such, I think it's the just mindset that blows...
my freind cant you see that you are not hating God, your hating man
its man who does this uglyness, not God..free will

[Matt the Funk]

were did you come from that you would have these rights, how did you
gain this ability to think?You just have it. Everything can think. Just a lot of things think differently, and most rely on instinct. It's called evolution dude. Maybe God gave YOU the right to think, but I was born with it. NO ONE GAVE IT to me. As a living creature I have the ability to think, because thats jsut how shit works, I don't know why, and never will. No one understands exactly what happens when we think. Anyways your arguement basically is trying to say there is God because I exist......And no I don't hate "God" I hate mass populas conformity.

[ukmonkey]

because if he is real he must be either one hell of a wanker or one hell of ajoker, my guess is he's both.

[LaidZeppelin]

the problem many people like myself has with GOD is that if one believes in God or a certain set of beliefs there in no room for ideas outside of that religious belief system... God and religion represents absolutes. Nothing is grey everything is black and white. This world is not black and white. I think more people have a problem with religion not really God.

[Kid Dynamite]

Here's what I'd say...
I hate god for being such an insufferable prick all the time.
I hate god for being an ace in the hole for all the religious crazies out there who think it's a great idea to have 8 kids and get them all an SUV.
I hate god for giving doctrine to his followers that allows them to not only target and exterminate people of other creeds, colors or backgrounds, but to feel morally superiour while doing so.
I hate god for trying to make all the nuts think that life will be so much better after they're dead.
I hate god for making this earth a pale shadow of the garden, just so everyone feels ok about destroying it.
I hate god for promising us an endtime, because all of a sudden current events such as war, hunger and pollution seem much less pressing.

And lastly, I hate god for making the platypus for nothing more than his own sick amusement.


All the above and more. That's why I'd hate god if I thought he even existed. As such, I think it's the just mindset that blows...


You misunderstand...You don't hate God my friend, you hate people who use Him to justify their misdeeds. The amount of bloodeshed and suffering meted out in the name of God throughout human existence would probably make Him sick. I have a feeling he is sorely disappointed at our performance...

[jdmarcus59]

You just have it. Everything can think. Just a lot of things think differently, and most rely on instinct. It's called evolution dude. Maybe God gave YOU the right to think, but I was born with it. NO ONE GAVE IT to me. As a living creature I have the ability to think, because thats jsut how shit works, I don't know why, and never will. No one understands exactly what happens when we think. Anyways your arguement basically is trying to say there is God because I exist......And no I don't hate "God" I hate mass populas conformity.
your faith is greater then mine, if you belive in evolution, your saying that something came from nothing, that is great faith. but deep down in side I
think you are smarter then that.

[Matt the Funk]

your faith is greater then mine, if you belive in evolution, your saying that something came from nothing, that is great faith. but deep down in side I
think you are smarter then that.There is actually some proof of evolution....I haven't seen too much proof of "god".....Now it depends on what you refer to as "god". You see, I have faith in a "god" but not in the basic way that most people do. What I have "faith" in is life. I know what my sense's tell me. I know what is real to me. I can question shit and go crazy,accept that I will never know, or believe in "god".....I choose the second....

[jdmarcus59]

the problem many people like myself has with GOD is that if one believes in God or a certain set of beliefs there in no room for ideas outside of that religious belief system... God and religion represents absolutes. Nothing is grey everything is black and white. This world is not black and white. I think more people have a problem with religion not really God.

I think that your right people do have a promblem with religioun, I do to.
religioun is mans way of reaching towards god, trying to be good enough
to work your way into heaven or wherever, but christ did away with all
that, God is on your side, even if you dont belive, He does not want to
hit you over the head, He wants only to bless your life...

[Polymirize]

Oh my god. You guys are right, I am just talking about man. Freewill, what a beautiful concept.

So, wait, here's where I get confused, if it's all my choice to make, and I alone am responsible for the consequences of my own actions, where does god fit in? Isn't belief in god completely extraneous? Like an appendix, something that we've totally evolved beyond now?

Or will believing in God grant me some special power? Can I call down lightning on the unbelievers or unleash plagues?

You're saying that a belief in god yields precisely the same outlook as an atheistic humanitarian ethos, when properly applied... So why bother?

[geonagual]

As I said in my other thread...I don't know if there is a god. If there is Great!...if not..then great too. I am just going to live and be with that. Whatever happens, happens. I am not a bad person and if god is so great, then he will forgive me for what I have done. If not, then I dont want him to be my god. Did that make sense? I just got dont smoking a fattie:rasta: . LOL

[jdmarcus59]

There is actually some proof of evolution....I haven't seen too much proof of "god".....Now it depends on what you refer to as "god". You see, I have faith in a "god" but not in the basic way that most people do. What I have "faith" in is life. I know what my sense's tell me. I know what is real to me. I can question shit and go crazy,accept that I will never know, or believe in "god".....I choose the second....

if I could prove to you that God is real, would you belive and follow Him?
are would you still go your own way, and belive what you want?

[Beano]

it seems to me that there is a lot of anger, and misunderstanding that goes on here, God does not force Him self on any one, He gave you the freedom
to belive are not belive. And the light came into the world, and this light was
the life of men..

Are you familiar with the term... 'Jehovah's Witness'?

[jdmarcus59]

Are you familiar with the term... 'Jehovah's Witness'?

I know there faith very well, they have promblems with there faith, I have
spoken with many of them..

[Beano]

I think that your right people do have a promblem with religion, I do too.
Religion is mans way of reaching towards god, trying to be good enough
to work your way into heaven or wherever, but christ did away with all
that, God is on your side, even if you dont belive, He does not want to
hit you over the head, He wants only to bless your life...

Religions are mans way of explaining the un-explainable. "Gods" are the mommy's of the human race, when we stub our toe in life we turn to the only imaginable 'shoulder' to cry on that wont tell us to "suck it up". A god.
I have no beef with people of faith, its the people who take it so literal, and are sooo narrow-minded that they are ignorant to other peoples ideas and ways of thinking that irritate me.
Imo a religion is a guideline to living your life. Try taking the best from all religions and you'll live a peaceful, meaningful life.
:stoned:

[Matt the Funk]

if I could prove to you that God is real, would you belive and follow Him?
are would you still go your own way, and belive what you want?If you gave me some actual proof, and my ability to understand logic and personality agreed it was true, yeah sure I would. Evolution makes a lot of sense....God doesn't. You have to stop talking about religion dude....just live life.

[jdmarcus59]

If you gave me some actual proof, and my ability to understand logic and personality agreed it was true, yeah sure I would. Evolution makes a lot of sense....God doesn't. You have to stop talking about religion dude....just live life.

Iam not talking about my religion, Iwas just asking a qustion, and see how
angery you got. case in point.

[Beano]

Only you took that as anger.

:)

[LaidZeppelin]

As an agnostic I wish i could believe there was a God since i cannot disPROVE either I cannot reject either. To me this is rational thinking. The problem is that all over the world people believe in different Gods, and all of these ideas contradict one another. If you were born in India, you might worship a cow, not because that is rational but because you were raised around that particular brand of thinking. Since most of us are results of english speaking protestantism many of us see the Jesus senario as a much more viable scenario. The problem is NO ONE knows shit about what or who God is. Not you, not me, not even the men who wrote the bible. The scriptures may have been inspired by god but were deffinatly edited by man. This creates a problem since according to the bible man is as stupid as a sheep( one of the dumbest creatures in existance) so are we to follow the biblical scriptures that were written by flawed man, should we follow our flawed religious leaders. No, find out what God is on your own...if you believe he created all of nature, look there...but dont accept the words of man as evidence. Use the rationality that god may or may not have given all of us.

[jdmarcus59]

Only you took that as anger.

:)

No I think my friend got a little, anger..with love iam sure..

[afghooey]

Oh my god. You guys are right, I am just talking about man. Freewill, what a beautiful concept.

So, wait, here's where I get confused, if it's all my choice to make, and I alone am responsible for the consequences of my own actions, where does god fit in? Isn't belief in god completely extraneous? Like an appendix, something that we've totally evolved beyond now?

Or will believing in God grant me some special power? Can I call down lightning on the unbelievers or unleash plagues?

You're saying that a belief in god yields precisely the same outlook as an atheistic humanitarian ethos, when properly applied... So why bother?

You make a great point, Polymirize.

I don't think it's God that has become extraneous, but rather the belief in a God who's will is separate from our own. I don't think that God is some overlord who is waiting to punish us if we should deviate from his intentions -- how can anything oppose an omnipotent being's will in the first place? Rather, I think it makes more sense to consider that God's will IS free will, and that in such a manner we ourselves are God.

The word 'sin', according to its Greek roots, means 'to miss the mark'. And I think it makes a lot more sense that a sin is just an action that falls short of or contradicts our own will and intentions, whether they be personal or collective intentions, rather than being a digression from some external god's.

[Matt the Funk]

Iam not talking about my religion, Iwas just asking a qustion, and see how
angery you got. case in point.

Lol. I wasn't angry one bit. Making a statement broooooo...Anyways this whole God thing is overly talked about and there is no way to prove him(or else i'm sure everyone would believe in him). Everyone just needs to stop beating this dead horse!:beatdeadhorse:

[jdmarcus59]

Lol. I wasn't angry one bit. Making a statement broooooo...Anyways this whole God thing is overly talked about and there is no way to prove him(or else i'm sure everyone would believe in him). Everyone just needs to stop beating this dead horse!:beatdeadhorse:
but the horse arose 3 days latter, ha ha just having fun with you man.
love and peace I leave with you..

[Beano]

No I think my friend got a little, anger..with love iam sure..

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[mamma puffpuff420]

your faith is greater then mine, if you belive in evolution, your saying that something came from nothing, that is great faith. but deep down in side I
think you are smarter then that.

i believe in evolution and i aslo believe in God
anything and everything was created by God
i believe God planted the seed's of all creation
he also created us perfect
God gave us the ability 2 make decision's tho
now man has been destroying man ever since the beggining
so between incest, drug's, hate, etc.
what chance does 1 have (so it seem's)
keeping the faith and trusting in a 1 true God is where it's at (it's a chance i will take)

[delusionsofNORMALity]

to hate anything is foolish, but to hate an imaginary creature is a complete waste of time and effort. i merely find it rather sad and a bit childish for so many to expend so much energy in the pursuit of such fairy tales and i find it pathetic and extremely disappointing that so many believers use their faith to escape the responsibility for their own lives.

to do right because it is right is a sign of an enlightened being. to do right because an invisible man in the sky will punish you if you don't is a sign of a fear filled primitive.

[mamma puffpuff420]

Here's what I'd say...
I hate god for being such an insufferable prick all the time.
I hate god for being an ace in the hole for all the religious crazies out there who think it's a great idea to have 8 kids and get them all an SUV.
I hate god for giving doctrine to his followers that allows them to not only target and exterminate people of other creeds, colors or backgrounds, but to feel morally superiour while doing so.
I hate god for trying to make all the nuts think that life will be so much better after they're dead.
I hate god for making this earth a pale shadow of the garden, just so everyone feels ok about destroying it.
I hate god for promising us an endtime, because all of a sudden current events such as war, hunger and pollution seem much less pressing.

And lastly, I hate god for making the platypus for nothing more than his own sick amusement.


All the above and more. That's why I'd hate god if I thought he even existed. As such, I think it's the just mindset that blows...

u know:
with opinion's like this the world would b a very miserable place 2 live
what's it like 2 b so miserable, and hateful
may God have mercy on ur soul

[Polymirize]

u know:
what's it like 2 b so miserable, and hateful


honestly? I wouldn't even know where to start. Its fantastic. Before you knock it, you should try it yourself...

And failing that, you could realise that you lose your grasp on truth whenever you interpret something literally. Maybe. I don't know. Thanks for being such a shining beacon of love and understanding in these dark times though, for real.

[FreeVenice]

It's not God that is hated it's all the people telling you to do what they sayh or God is going to kick our ass. . .their crazy

[jdmarcus59]

jesus said I came not to judge the world, but to save it.

[Polymirize]

Jesus said a lot of things. And then he cursed a fig tree as I recall.

So, I don't know, take it all with a grain of salt I suppose.

[slipknotpsycho]

ok i dunno what's going on, but this is the third thread i coudl have SWORN i posted (And reread said post for accuracy) in....

i don't believe in god first and foremost, but if i were to be shown he is real.... i'd hate him for everythign he made me, and everyone i care about endure for pointless reasons.... i'll spare the details, but there is no need for any of the shit me and my loved ones have gone through... gods will, and all that bullshit? make up your mind, either he's an all wise, all knowing, all caring god, or he doesn't give a shit...

[delusionsofNORMALity]

jesus said I came not to judge the world, but to save it.

did a rather shoddy job of it, didn't he.

[FreeVenice]

And whats with the predetermined destination, if God has your whole life set in stone for you, why the hell would you even want to get out of bed. . . If their is a god, I don't think they are just setting up dominos. I think he might of made the first forms of life, but I bet human being surprized the fuck out of God. . .

[slipknotpsycho]

And whats with the predetermined destination, if God has your whole life set in stone for you, why the hell would you even want to get out of bed. . . If their is a god, I don't think they are just setting up dominos. I think he might of made the first forms of life, but I bet human being surprized the fuck out of God. . .

i've never actually considered that....

but then again, fi tthat's to be true, then the god every religion knows is false.... becuase first and foremost... god is ALL KNOWING so he'd of known what his creation was going to become...

[FreeVenice]

Thats why I belive in a self sufficient spiritual life, it's all about the state of mind you put yourself in. None of this what god wants us to be doing stuff, none of that for the greater good crap. Just taking care of you and yours, and respecting other peoples space. There is no reason you should live your life in fear, you should not think about how and who god is going to punish. I miss the Wild West. . . . .sure there were crooks, but there was a gentlmen law. . . .

Seriously though, if you were to live in any time under any religous rule when and where would it be??? Is there even a time you think is worth seeing. . . Religon is nothing but bad news no matter who is preaching. Me personally I would go back to the 1700's and live with Native Americans. There life was perfect in my eyes, at least till God showed up. I would go back in time and help them fight off any settlers. . .

[FreeVenice]

fi tthat's to be true, then the god every religion knows is false....

LOL, they are false, or should I say fictional?

You got to think about it, Are you going to belive that a man heard the voice while he was up in a mountain when everyone was below? or do we belive that the book fell from the sky? or even that Jesus designed the perfect pyramid scheme? I'm sorry people are hard enough to trust as it is, and I'm suppost to follow a book that was writen by a guy I never met, saw, heard, or know anything about other than what they told you about themself. . . . that's an on-line predator in this day and age. . .lol

[Pink_Floyd]

People do not hate "god", they hate religion because it endorses ignorance. Also, most people do not hold a grudge against the eastern "religions", but are rather pissed off at the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) because their priests use religion to fulfill their egos and desires, causing suffering unto others.

[Xhoshi]

I don't hate God.
I just hate the image of God that people have come to accept without question.

[mamma puffpuff420]

there r some good point's 2 ponder here
but im with jdmarcus 59
i didnt use 2 believe in God
but i have decided 2 change my way of thinking, and my life has changed dramaticly(4 the better)
i believe God created us all perfect
man is destroying man
drug's, incest and other thing's have a part in our self destruction
like i have said b 4, God gave us all the abiliy 2 make decision's
when eve took that bit of the apple, it was the beginingg of the end 4 mankind
so all he can do with this is 2 just sit back and let us destroy ourselves and everything around us
and we just keep on doing it
so the only 1 that can change me ,is me
i chose 2 belive in God
my life is just better all around
there is no1 in this world that can change us but ourselve's
none of us have the rite 2 judge eachother
but we do need 2 respect each other's opinion's
what a wonderful world this would b if we all did this
God will b the judge in the end

[Polymirize]

God didn't create us all perfect. The most I'll allow for is god created some bacteria that happened to evolve through countless generations.
Man is destroying man, because evolution is not a finished process. Man is continuing to outgrow his previous limitations and always this seems a painful, tearing process.

The apple was the beginning of the beginning. And the end of man will be the beginning of something new in turn.

In short, I think you've got it all wrong... Man is the father of god, not the other way around...

[Oneironaut]

It depends on what God you're talking about. If you're talking about the God of the Bible, that is truly an abominable creature. As Richard Dawkins so succinctly put it in his excellent book The God Delusion:

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
If this being were truly real, I would have to hate it. His commands to the Jews to slaughter the Untermenschen of their Lebensraum is morally indistinguishable from Hitler's command to invade Poland for the good of the Germans.

The God of the New Testament (personified in Jesus) is just a pussy. He doesn't seem to realize that sometimes you have to fight for good, instead promoting unwavering pacifism. He acts like the moral beacon of humanity, yet none of his moral ideas are original. The Golden Rule is just common sense; pretty much everybody agrees that being nice is a good thing. He could have easily promoted feminism or the abolition of slavery or tolerance for homosexuals or democracy, but these moral ideas were way past the thinking of first century Judaea, so nothing of the sort is found in Jesus. I can't really say I hate the Jesus character of the New Testament, but I think he is rather naïve and unoriginal.

The God of the Qur'an has similar problems to the God of the Old Testament. If that God exists, and it hates women and homosexuals and non-believers with the fierceness portrayed in the Qur'an, then it is worthy of my hatred in return.

There are some religious figures that I can dig, though, even though they have been mythologized to a large extent. The Buddha, Laozi and Kongfuzi, for example, had a lot of good non-intuitive ideas that I think can really help someone lead a happier life. They're not infallible of course, but they provide a lot of constructive food for thought.

[Nightcrewman]

it seems to me that there is a lot of anger, and misunderstanding that goes on here, God does not force Him self on any one, He gave you the freedom
to belive are not belive. And the light came into the world, and this light was
the life of men..
It seems to me that everybody needs something or someone to hate God whether he exists or not is just an easy target, if he exists then being the good sort of bloke he is supposed to be then he will forgive you for hating him. If he does not exist then there is no harm done on your part.
Hope you understand what I'm getting at.

Cheers
NCM

[Exodus_herbman]

Just thinking about how delicate an herb plant is, and how easy it is for us to just screw up shows the intricacy of our life on Earth. It is a very delicate balance, and evolution fails to explain how atleast 30 physical constants ( gravity, weak and strong nuclear force, electromagnetic force, magnetic force) are so finely tuned. Physicists have compared the range of what gravity could have been to a ruler stretched billions of lightyears across the universe divided into inches. And gravity is on an inch mark somewhere on that ruler, if you were to move the coefficient of gravity an inch either way life couldn't exist. Random mutation accounts for none of this, and even the Big Bang in a roundabout way disproves itself. The red shift in our galaxy shows us there is a rate at which the universe expands ( known as the cosmological rate ) this rate in itself is finely tuned, if it were altered 1/ 1000 trillionth life would be impossible. Too fast matter is too thin, too slow too compact. God has shown himself to you in the intricacy of our planet, we are therefore held accountable for our actions. God is a just judge, and a just judge wouldn't forgive those guilty, someone had to pay the price, and that someone was Yeshua ( Jesus ) the Messiah spoken of in prophecy 1000 years before his birth. Psalms 22:16-18 ( penman was King David around 1000 B.C )16For [like a pack of] dogs they have encompassed me; a company of evildoers has encircled me, they pierced my hands and my feet.(G)

17I can count all my bones; [the evildoers] gaze at me.(H)

18They part my clothing among them and cast lots for my raiment (a long, shirtlike garment, a seamless undertunic).(I))
He prophecies the Christ will have pierced hands ( crucifixion wasn't around in 1000 B.C. ) He would not have a broken bone ( in Roman crucifixion it was routine to break the legs to ensure the prisoner was dead, but Jesus' bones were not broken because the gaurds knew he couldn't have lived through the flogging and crucifixion), and also his clothes being gambled for is another prophecy. Jah Bless and may all come into a relationship with Yeshua eternally.

[darth stoner]

Just thinking about how delicate an herb plant is, and how easy it is for us to just screw up shows the intricacy of our life on Earth. It is a very delicate balance, and evolution fails to explain how atleast 30 physical constants ( gravity, weak and strong nuclear force, electromagnetic force, magnetic force) are so finely tuned.


Evolution is about biological organisms.

You need to shift point of view and consider the following:

- Life as we know it wouldn't be possible without these constants. Therefore, we only exist because the constants happened to be so.

- The constants could be different and life would either be completely different or not exist at all. Either way, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

In short: They are not "magically" tuned. The simple fact that they are right for us allow us to live. If they weren't, then you and me wouldn't be here. There is nothing magic or "designed" there.

Do you understand my point ? You are saying the constants are tuned for us, when in fact, we are tuned for these constants. Because we evolved in an universe with them. Same as going into space brings us several problems (muscle atrophy, bone loss, nausea, headaches, etc) -- we're earth creatures who didn't evolve in space.

[darth stoner]

As for the remaining of your text, it's mostly incorrect. Gravity is one of the weakest forces around, by the way.

And, there isn't a (fixed) rate at which the universe expands. Current scientific consensus is that it's expanding yes, but at an ever increasing rate. The why's of that are currently unaccountable, but work is being done on it. That invalidates the rest of your text.

[darth stoner]

People do not hate "god", they hate religion because it endorses ignorance. Also, most people do not hold a grudge against the eastern "religions", but are rather pissed off at the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) because their priests use religion to fulfill their egos and desires, causing suffering unto others.

Indeed.

[jdmarcus59]

did a rather shoddy job of it, didn't he.

and the light shined in the darkness, but the darkness could not understand
it.

[Delta9 UK]

and the light shined in the darkness, but the darkness could not understand
it.

convenient that........

[BokingTowls]

your faith is greater then mine, if you belive in evolution, your saying that something came from nothing, that is great faith. but deep down in side I
think you are smarter then that.

you're the one that believes everything came from nothing, because some mystical superbeing pulled an "i dream of genie" blinked and all our shit appeared. i'm sorry not everything came out of nothing, he made women out of spare ribs. evolution obviously just creates something out of nothing. you know seeing as it would take millions upon millions of years to do, but that takes more faith than believing it was created in 7 days. you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize people don't hate god, because there is no entity to hate. people hate the self-righteous pricks like you that believe blindly and argue in circles about a god that let's face it is a crutch for the fact that very few people in this world can come to grips that when you die, NOTHING happens. you cease to be. the flame is snuffed out. no more sir. yeah everything would be peachy keen if we can go to this super awesome place called heaven after we die and be rewarded for all the good that we did in our life and live happily, and peacefully, for all of eternity. am i supposed to believe that the human species is the only species in this universe that is worthy of heaven or hell for that matter? that's rather arrogant. what makes us so fucking special? oh wait it's the fact that we evolved to have increased cephalization and a more complex central nervous system to were we created a "god". if you are looking for some sort of meaning of life with god and all that crap i'll save you some time and just tell you. the meaning of life is to fucking live it. plain and simple. we are here, we live, we die. just like cockroach i just stomped on. or maybe he went to his own little roach god he created.

[ukmonkey]

If god was real I would hate him because he would be a wanker to allow so much shit to happen and to be such a sly fucking bastard about his own existence.

[xblackdogx]

pointing the finger at anybody, let alone god for any of your problems
simply pushes your SELF deeper into negative vibrations

free your mind and realize the potential

[xblackdogx]

If god was real I would hate him because he would be a wanker to allow so much shit to happen and to be such a sly fucking bastard about his own existence.

Everyone who is in human form asked to be here,
they ASKED to be a creator.

Believe it or not, YOU created your reality,
and no one else. God allows carnage, killing, and destruction because it's the same as kindness as sharing- merely physical experiences.
REALIZING the only indestructible aspect of physical objects comes from within the soul is the key to being able to control how much of the light you see.

[StonedAssasin]

All of this is happening not because of God's will.. But because of man's free will and the corruption of Satan.. it is his time to reign.. and there's a full story for this, but ofcourse I'm not going to just spill it to a bunch negativity.. for what? so I may be flamed for? Any questions.. (sOcOm gunit) I would also appreciate to debate with other God believers.. thats my AIM screenname btw. Well I hope some of you find it deep down to want to know more.. I pray for your confusion.. as I pray for myself that I may not be misled by this worlds "Religions" that just make me sick.. it's all clear.. corruptions by satan himself. Holidays are a pretty cover up to praise him.. all these religions.. people think they are worshipping God.. but really their blinded... But God has mercy.. you shall see the light, and then choose for yourself soon. Toke on!

And to everyone.. God does say you should go to church.. but that doesnt mean to go to a religion specific church.. a church is a gathering of people for the same cause.. no dogmas or such... it's rediculous.

[orange floyd]

i hate the concept of god for the same reasons that i don't believe in it/"him"

he's clearly unjusut, illogical, and i think the concept of authority/heiarchy is absurd/border-line "evil"

lol. but whatever you believe is cool. im still spiritual, im into buddhism and related esoteric studies. i just dont think you need a big man up in the sky for it to work

[bong_man]

cause he sucks donkey balls

[Billy Preston]

it seems to me that there is a lot of anger, and misunderstanding that goes on here, God does not force Him self on any one, He gave you the freedom
to belive are not belive. And the light came into the world, and this light was
the life of men..

God does not force himself on anyone. Man forces god on everyone.

Obviously thats a major generalization but Evangelism has to be the main reason I don't like religion. I love to express my opinions but I wont actively try to convert anyone.

Believe what you want, live your life how you want...tell me about it if you like but don't dare suggest that you know it all and i've got it wrong.

I reckon thats the way a lot of people see it. I heard a theory from a comedian on TV about two years ago and it just makes ultimate sense to me.

The rule is: You can do whatever the fuck you want......as long as it doesn't affect anyone elses ability to do whatever the fuck they want.
You can't break into someones house cause it affects thier ability to have privacy....you can't rob someone cause it affects thier ability to own stuff...you can't kill someone cause it affects thier ability to be alive.

I thought about that a lot and honestly can't see any situations where it doesnt work. It would also mean weed would be legal!! Huzzah!

[LuckyG]

God does not force himself on anyone. Man forces god on everyone.

Obviously thats a major generalization but Evangelism has to be the main reason I don't like religion. I love to express my opinions but I wont actively try to convert anyone.

Believe what you want, live your life how you want...tell me about it if you like but don't dare suggest that you know it all and i've got it wrong.

I reckon thats the way a lot of people see it. I heard a theory from a comedian on TV about two years ago and it just makes ultimate sense to me.

The rule is: You can do whatever the fuck you want......as long as it doesn't affect anyone elses ability to do whatever the fuck they want.
You can't break into someones house cause it affects thier ability to have privacy....you can't rob someone cause it affects thier ability to own stuff...you can't kill someone cause it affects thier ability to be alive.

I thought about that a lot and honestly can't see any situations where it doesnt work. It would also mean weed would be legal!! Huzzah!

The downside is, Jesus is quoted as saying all over the place that evangelism is the bee's knees. That was my major turnoff from Christianity. I don't believe in forcing ideas on anyone - if they ask, that's another story, but the best way to teach is through your way of life.

Personally, I don't believe in a God. If you created everything, and knew everything, and knew how it would all end up, and your mind was as unfathomably powerful as the Bible says it is, you'd get bored. There would be no reason to exist. God would have gone mad aeons ago.

[RedRainDrop]

Look around. How our intelligence has greatly evolved, and how nature works together to thrive. Millions of species of animals and plants, and no new ones appear. What put them here? What happened to the dinosaurs, and where the fuck did we come from after they died off, to one day discover THEY once existed.

How did we gain this knowledge? How did we realize that there are endless galaxies, and space? What is out there that is left unexplored, and are we the only planet with life in this universe?

Impossible. We are not the only lifeforms, to me that seems impossible....because considering our theories, theres a whole universe out there, with endless planets. If there is in fact a god, he is everything in the universe.

Because this knowledge we have acquired, i believe is not all our own.

[GraziLovesMary]

it seems to me that there is a lot of anger, and misunderstanding that goes on here, God does not force Him self on any one, He gave you the freedom
to belive are not belive. And the light came into the world, and this light was
the life of men..

Maybe God DOESNT force himself upon anybody. That doesnt mean that PEOPLE dont force God upon us. Because the Christian concept of God is forced upon me on a daily basis.

[peacetrain]

"Believe in me or burn for eternity" doesn't seem so benign. If God simply said believe in me or not, and go to heaven either way...he would seem a lot more pleasant, but no more believable.

It frustrates me that people can't see there is as much evidence for any other invisible thing that has/will never communicate with us (none). I guess it's just something people have to think about for themselves. I've found logical debate affects nothing where religion is concerned :(

[Billy Preston]

Look around. How our intelligence has greatly evolved, and how nature works together to thrive. Millions of species of animals and plants, and no new ones appear. What put them here? What happened to the dinosaurs, and where the fuck did we come from after they died off, to one day discover THEY once existed.

How did we gain this knowledge? How did we realize that there are endless galaxies, and space? What is out there that is left unexplored, and are we the only planet with life in this universe?

Impossible. We are not the only lifeforms, to me that seems impossible....because considering our theories, theres a whole universe out there, with endless planets. If there is in fact a god, he is everything in the universe.

Because this knowledge we have acquired, i believe is not all our own.

Millions of species or plants and animals and no new ones appear?

Have you any idea of the history of the earth. There we're billions and billions of lifeforms before us and will be after us. Earths history has a series of full stops where the majority of life on earth gets wiped out and evolution spins off in a different path. This is destined to happen to us at some point, the earth hasnt stopped being a dynamic, dramatic, dangerous place because we are here and it didn't start with us either.

We are the tinest of blips in the history of the planet...the only thing that distinguishes us from the other species is that we're the only ones actively destroying our enviroment. We've become too adaptable, changing our enviroment in stead of changing ourselves to suit the enviroment. Our evolution has come to a stop cause we've made things too easy.

If there is a God...human beings are his crappiest work.

[Hardcore Newbie]

I reckon thats the way a lot of people see it. I heard a theory from a comedian on TV about two years ago and it just makes ultimate sense to me.

The rule is: You can do whatever the fuck you want......as long as it doesn't affect anyone elses ability to do whatever the fuck they want.
You can't break into someones house cause it affects thier ability to have privacy....you can't rob someone cause it affects thier ability to own stuff...you can't kill someone cause it affects thier ability to be alive.

I thought about that a lot and honestly can't see any situations where it doesnt work. It would also mean weed would be legal!! Huzzah!It's called common law and it's supposed to be what america and canada are founded upon. Common law dictates that you can not harm or injure another being, you can not engage in destruction or stealing of one's property, and you can not engage in fraud in your contracts. Sounds heavenly :D

But now that we have over 6,000,000 statutes to follow and be governed by, it looks nothing close to common law.

[Billy Preston]

I can't see why we aren't governed by that one single rule though.

Would it work?

[Hardcore Newbie]

It did work. Things took longer, because people actually wrote other people letters of intent, and opened discussion with each other like civil adults. Now the lawyers make the law and write it in a language that we can't understand. It probably wouldn't fly these days because of the quickness of today's society, where businesses are expected to use overnight deliveries, and the internet is at hand nearly everywhere, being expected to work out your problems like civil adults might seem to be a bit too much for some people.

There's a saying that goes something like "Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law" but this was back when the law was actually common law. Now with over 6000000 statutes that act as law for the society we live in, how can any person be held to remember 6000000 statutes?