some random stuff

[GHoSToKeR]

I watched some crazy ass show on tv tonight, and i had to hang up on my friend to hear it (that was mean, i know lol).. heres what it was about, at least what i can remember...

Common opinion is that there must be some 'devine creator', some omnipotent and omniscient deity that, with a click of it's fingers, created the universe and everything contained within. Probably the most popular reason for this belief is that seems that te numerical parameters that have set the universe 0n its course to make stars and hence life are so accurately set that itâ??s difficult to imagine they got that way by chance. Some of the 'paramaters' are even tuned to a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion decimal places. This, people believe, is practically proof that we were created, and for something to be created, there has to be a creator.

But, what if our universe wasn't created for the sole purpose of our existence, but if there were more than one universe. Even trillions of universes, each with differently set 'parameters', and different laws of nature. If you realise then that if there are trillions upon trillions of universes, each with differently set parameters, then probability says that at least one should have the exact 'parameters of life' to let life begin and evolve.

Think of it like a game of roullette. Think of the exact perameters for life to exist as a number of your choice. If every time the roulette wheel is spun, you place your money on the exact same number, probability says that your number should win once out of every 36 spins. Our universe - our existence - is just one out of trillions of universes, remember, one of them had to get it right at least once.

But then, if you have trillion of universes, then there may well be other universes that have the 'parameters of life'. It would then be safe to say that there may well be a universe, if not more than one, in which evolution occured similarly to our universes, and that there are living beings in those univeres very similar to us. It would then also be safe to say, that some of these universes would be very primative, and some very advanced, more advanced than us.

It then went on to talk about some stuff, I think that was when my friend called.

Basically, it went on afterwards about how the human brain has developed to its full capability, and evolution has gone as far as it is going to go, in our universe. So instead of evovling ourselves, we re going to develop technology to take evolutions place, so to speak. Because at the rate of which technology is advancing, we may have, in the not so distant future, computers that can download your entire brain, if not replicate a human brain exactly. By that point in time, computers will be so advanced that they will also be able to make models of the universe, and go back to the beginning of the universe, alter the 'parameters', and watch how the universe could have evolved differently, in a sort of simulation.

But, if that will be possible, and there are universes that are similar to our own, only more advanced than us, then maybe people in those other universes are already running these simulations. And, if this is true, then who is to say that we aren't just one of those simulations? We, us, our existence, our universe, will just be a simulation that's being run by the scientists our the future, from one of trillions of universes. So, this begs the question........

Are we real?

Does it even matter? If I can 'feel' what i'm feeling right now, sense what i'm sensing right now, then does it matter if i'm real or not? The same goes for all of us, our whole universe - we may not be real, but we still have senses and emotions, even if they too are simulations. We interact with eachother, each interaction havng an emotional impact on either of us, so yes, to us, we are real. But that still leaves the question - are we real? - wholly unanswered.

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

ya i get what u saying all i know is no one better try to talk to me about this shit when im on shrooms cuz id freak lol and have a meltdown of thoughts

[RESiNATE]

This is a theory that I subscribe to, in part, at least.

And, if our 'reality' was a simulation, wouldn't it be fair to surmise that, because of the human nature of 'conceit', that the 'programmer' of this 'reality' would want to instill somekind of 'recognition' for his 'work'...ie, our 'fascination with God'?
(probably didn't explain that very well, but I think you get the gist.....?)
lol

See, at the end of the day, it all comes back to mathematics, my friends :rolleyes:
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

:D

[GHoSToKeR]

nobody cares

i gave them the answer to the universe, and nobody cares

except res and penguin, obviously

lol :p

[XTC]

A true stoner question "Do you think space Really goes on forever?" I believe there is life other than our own on Earth and if Space is infinite think of all the shit that exists

[RESiNATE]

Yes....
You see, it's all about numbers...significantly about 1 and 0 (binary); it is the root of all things.

Ever wondered why no two people have the same finger-print?

[GHoSToKeR]

A true stoner question "Do you think space Really goes on forever?" I believe there is life other than our own on Earth and if Space is infinite think of all the shit that exists
well, the space in our universe ends at the end of our universe.. past that, there are (or so this theory states) other universes

[RESiNATE]

Everything that has a beginning, must have an end.

The circle is the single most important shape that we know...it is also the most complex. It's measurements are not finite, like other shapes, and neither is Life.

[maryjanemama]

I think I understand what you're saying to a point, Ghost. But do you mean are we real to ourselves? Yes, I believe most of us feel we are real but if we are part of an experiment then we are also real to whoever created the experiment.

I really understand what you mean by evolving with technology. That theory seems to be proven more and more each day. As far as there being life on other planets in all sorts of stages of evolution, that's where my head starts to hurt. That would mean there would be planets existing at the same time,one with dinosaurs and one with half man/half computer beings and that would mean the universe is endless. And thinking about endlessness right now gives me a headache because my stoned mind cannot fully wrap itself around it. But that's awesome, Ghost, I would've hung up on my friend, too.

[kr1Nx01]

I've had those same ideas in my head for ages.

There's actually an equation for the possibility of life, I'm not sure what it is exactly, but it works on this principal:
There are X amount of planets to a star system, X amount of which may be able to support life, there are Y amount of star systems to a galaxy, there are Z amount of galaxys to the universe. (X*Y)Z. Assumin each system has an average of 4 planets (some stars may not have any planets, some may have several more than our solar system's), and that there are billions of stars to a galaxy, and that there are billions of galaxys to the universe, there are virtually infinite possibilities and routes to creation. Our planent fills only the tiniest microscopic point of a fraction, so tiny that we can't even begin to percieve it with our minds (unless you're on a shitload of acid maybe :p). Our planet's rotational axis, relation to the sun, the position of Jupiter to sheild against stray comets/astroids bound for Earth, relation to other planets, etc, is the cause of life here, and perhaps all the factors are SO UNIQUE that we're the only intelligent life to exist. Or, more likely, several other systems have evolved along our lines (there are trillions upon trillions upon trillions) somewhere out there, and can also support life. Either way, just because WE exist doesn't mean an omniscient being must've created us... we're just a part of a unique series of events that were statistically bound to happen.

That's oversimplifying it way too much, but I don't really feel like trying to go into depth or even clarify whatever the fuck I just said.

btw, I love chaos and cosmology!

[GHoSToKeR]

I think I understand what you're saying to a point, Ghost. But do you mean are we real to ourselves? Yes, I believe most of us feel we are real but if we are part of an experiment then we are also real to whoever created the experiment.

I really understand what you mean by evolving with technology. That theory seems to be proven more and more each day. As far as there being life on other planets in all sorts of stages of evolution, that's where my head starts to hurt. That would mean there would be planets existing at the same time,one with dinosaurs and one with half man/half computer beings and that would mean the universe is endless. And thinking about endlessness right now gives me a headache because my stoned mind cannot fully wrap itself around it. But that's awesome, Ghost, I would've hung up on my friend, too.
Not other plants in different stages of evolution, but different universes that have evolved diferently, or havent evolved at all, and that have evolved even further.. univeres outside of our own universe! :p thats where it gets a bit head wrecking lol

[RESiNATE]

Like, Haley's Comet.

[1212awwaww]

I watched some crazy ass show on tv tonight, and i had to hang up on my friend to hear it (that was mean, i know lol).. heres what it was about, at least what i can remember...

Common opinion is that there must be some 'devine creator', some omnipotent and omniscient deity that, with a click of it's fingers, created the universe and everything contained within. Probably the most popular reason for this belief is that seems that te numerical parameters that have set the universe 0n its course to make stars and hence life are so accurately set that itâ??s difficult to imagine they got that way by chance. Some of the 'paramaters' are even tuned to a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion decimal places. This, people believe, is practically proof that we were created, and for something to be created, there has to be a creator.

But, what if our universe wasn't created for the sole purpose of our existence, but if there were more than one universe. Even trillions of universes, each with differently set 'parameters', and different laws of nature. If you realise then that if there are trillions upon trillions of universes, each with differently set parameters, then probability says that at least one should have the exact 'parameters of life' to let life begin and evolve.

Think of it like a game of roullette. Think of the exact perameters for life to exist as a number of your choice. If every time the roulette wheel is spun, you place your money on the exact same number, probability says that your number should win once out of every 36 spins. Our universe - our existence - is just one out of trillions of universes, remember, one of them had to get it right at least once.

But then, if you have trillion of universes, then there may well be other universes that have the 'parameters of life'. It would then be safe to say that there may well be a universe, if not more than one, in which evolution occured similarly to our universes, and that there are living beings in those univeres very similar to us. It would then also be safe to say, that some of these universes would be very primative, and some very advanced, more advanced than us.

It then went on to talk about some stuff, I think that was when my friend called.

Basically, it went on afterwards about how the human brain has developed to its full capability, and evolution has gone as far as it is going to go, in our universe. So instead of evovling ourselves, we re going to develop technology to take evolutions place, so to speak. Because at the rate of which technology is advancing, we may have, in the not so distant future, computers that can download your entire brain, if not replicate a human brain exactly. By that point in time, computers will be so advanced that they will also be able to make models of the universe, and go back to the beginning of the universe, alter the 'parameters', and watch how the universe could have evolved differently, in a sort of simulation.

But, if that will be possible, and there are universes that are similar to our own, only more advanced than us, then maybe people in those other universes are already running these simulations. And, if this is true, then who is to say that we aren't just one of those simulations? We, us, our existence, our universe, will just be a simulation that's being run by the scientists our the future, from one of trillions of universes. So, this begs the question........

Are we real?

Does it even matter? If I can 'feel' what i'm feeling right now, sense what i'm sensing right now, then does it matter if i'm real or not? The same goes for all of us, our whole universe - we may not be real, but we still have senses and emotions, even if they too are simulations. We interact with eachother, each interaction havng an emotional impact on either of us, so yes, to us, we are real. But that still leaves the question - are we real? - wholly unanswered.


I saw that show, it blew my mind! I wiz baked at the time and now i believe in some kind of creator, crazzzzzy shit! :confused:

[GHoSToKeR]

i was baked, too... it freaked me out lol

[1212awwaww]

GHoSToKeR can you remember what it was called? iv been trawling the internet in search since it was on, every stoner should see it!

[SomeGuy]

You realize....he posted that a longass time ago...I dont even know if he is still hear...well I guess he occasionally browses the boards as YAWN...wow it brings back memories...all those people that were once the main posters when i first signed up...I remember like 10 different people on here that were the super posters :-p like that on here at the time...now they are all gone..well most of them

[God v2.0]

the whole purpose of the universe is to encompass every possibilty that can happen. Thats why its so big and with the addition of time it becomes even more complex, if everything is moving then i would assume that the universe is simiar to a galaxy as in its rotating and this is what creates time as we know it also gravity (if you know anything about the zero point theory then you should understand perfectly why we have gravity). Well the end is when the universe comes full circle and returns to its point of origin, this is because everything that ever will happen has happened, whether it starts over or whether something new begins is still a mystery and one that we as a species will never know, our role is to exist without a higher purpose, unfortunatly we will be a little to self motivated when we finally travel out into the unexplored universe, that will lead to our extinction.

[Jeff Spicoli]

too long

[benagain]

This thread just blew my mind.

[Mingles]

I can't even comprehend what I just read. Wow. Just wow.

[graph]

Funny. This is actually what the third (or fourth, I have a memory problem) "The Ring" movie is about (and book). Crazy shit. Not a very cool story, but cool theory.

[w4terb0ng]

everyone's got a theory.
i think someone was tripping on acid when they figured all this up.
also, i don't believe that the human mind has "evolved" to it's maximum capacity on brain usage and capabilities. that's a load of shit.