VA Massacre Proves Government Can't Protect You

[eg420ne]

my thoughts as well, its why we the people should always be in control

The loudest message sent by what happened at Virginia Tech yesterday is that government cannot and will not protect you.

Contrast the events at VA Tech with the 1966 UT Tower shooting, which was until yesterday the deadliest shooting massacre on a University campus in America.

The shooter was Charles Whitman, a Marine Corps sniper who carried out his killing spree enjoying "a nearly unassailable vantage point from which he could select and dispatch victims," according to Crime Library, armed to the teeth with an arsenal of high powered weaponry.

The Virginia killer was able to dispatch twice as many victims as Whitman despite having apparently little firearms skill, using only two relatively weak handguns and being surrounded by police and other civilians who could have attempted to apprehend him at any point.

The difference? 40 years ago cops were not cowards, they knew their job was to protect the public and they didn't hide behind trees while wearing bullet proof body armor and toting sub-machine guns, cowering in fear at the prospect of facing up to a punk with a pea-shooter.

They didn't wait for two hours as a killer roamed the campus without even warning the students.

The case of the UT Tower shooting when compared to the Virginia massacre illustrates perfectly how American men have been turned into weak yellow bellies who beg and plead for the equally spineless police to protect them in a crisis.

VA Massacre Proves Government Can't Protect You (http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/170407cantprotect.htm)

[fishman3811]

eg420ne I agree completly they sure cant protect an innocent man or women but they sure can take down a grow house.FUCKING COPS

[JackdaWack]

You guys act like they sit on there asses doing nothing, maybe so. But who is to predict a shooting like this. Not to mention the measures they would have to take to prevent this would be ridiculous, and probably would violate most of our rights, A place like VA shouldn't have metal detectors at doors, its simply shit that happens, some one fucked up lost it, what are we supposed to do about?

We really have no idea what happend there, for all they knew the guy barracaded himself in the building with guns, maybe he had hostages, the police dont just run it, they know worse shit can happen with force, maybe he had bombs he was gonna set off?

Tactic squads never run in a place they are unsure off.

[eg420ne]

Yeah the cops were outside standing around....but dont let them catch you drawing a picture of a gun

[eg420ne]

it was 2 hours between the shootings hmmm dont sound like the coppers doing there jobs, again

[JackdaWack]

lol u guys talk these guys sat around itching there asses... im sure they sat around and wondered "hey i wander if that guy in there is killing any one?"

I added to my above post.

[bud luv]

The only way the "government" could have "protected" us from this was if there was an armed officer following around every single person in the U.S., ready to step in if something bad was about to happen. If you'd be willing to have someone shadow you, hand on gun, for the rest of your life, I guess you have a beef. If not, then what's your point? (rhetorical question, please don't answer).
;)

[eg420ne]

no thats why you arm yourself....because its been proven many times that the police cant help you until after the fact

[eg420ne]

and they told every1 to stay indoors, wtf...sounds like what the did on 911 telling people to stay inside......................hell if you want me to get all conspiracy on you i can, theres alot of misinformtion going on

[eg420ne]

We should be thankful no police were hurt

Parents Demand Firing of Virginia Tech President, Police Chief Over Poor Handling of Mass Shooting FOXNews.com - Parents Demand Firing of Virginia Tech President, Police Chief Over Poor Handling of Mass Shooting - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266460,00.html)

[psykoactive420]

It was the fault of Bush and Cheney!!

The neocons orchestrated this massacre or at least knew of it and did nothing, they knew that most college students wouldnt vote for the republican (R) ticket so decided to take them out now.


What a joke! thinking the govt let this happen or wont protect you is ridiculous, as 1 writer above mentioned 'do you want police following each person around to class' ? of course not. In what ideal country would that police force have protected you? Canada? Spain? where???

This is a tragedy and could not have been foreseen I believe, sure the guy had problems but so do LOTS of college/high school/univ students, should all of them be placed in a lock down facility for up to 72 hrs because somebody believes they might be violent?

This is a tragedy and nobody to blame but the shooter.

[eg420ne]

yup the police did a fine job in saving these people lives,:rolleyes: yup.......hiding behind trees while more then 30 people being killed

[fishman3811]

with there fingers up their assess

[fishman3811]

maybe they were waiting for the doughnut guy to show up???

[eg420ne]

and coffee

[eg420ne]

too bad they couldnt get every1 out instead told them to stay inside what a shame

[BoilerUp]

You guys fail to mention why they were standing around for two hours.

When you find two dead bodies, one of a girl and one of a guy, the most common killer is the girls boyfriend. Thinking this, they called the girls roommate and found out that not only did her boyfriend have guns, he had taken them on a hunting trip not long ago. They then spent the next amount of time finding the boyfriend, only to find out his guns were at his parents house in boston.

The point is that they didn't even know there was someone still out there with a gun. All of the logical evidence pointed to the boyfriend in that two hour period.

[medicinal]

You guys fail to mention why they were standing around for two hours.

When you find two dead bodies, one of a girl and one of a guy, the most common killer is the girls boyfriend. Thinking this, they called the girls roommate and found out that not only did her boyfriend have guns, he had taken them on a hunting trip not long ago. They then spent the next amount of time finding the boyfriend, only to find out his guns were at his parents house in boston.

The point is that they didn't even know there was someone still out there with a gun. All of the logical evidence pointed to the boyfriend in that two hour period.

That still doesn't excuse the fact that while the shooting was going on, not one copper tried to gain entry into the building where the shots were coming from, but instead hid behind cars and trees and block walls. Not one brave soul attempted to enter and take the shooter on. I've heard the doors were chained, then either ram them with a police car or shoot them (Glass doors) out with an M-16. there's no excuse besides cowardice. I've noticed that in most police confrontations with psychos, they wait for the shooter to stop shooting before gaining entry to the kill zone, does Columbine ring a bell? How many lives may have been saved had the police acted in a responsible manner? We'll never know. I watch the Military channel once in a while. Those brave GIs run towards the shooting, not away from it.

[fishman3811]

MED how true.Also how many cops does it take to find out if the boyfriend was responsible.Yes the cops did the right thing in checking out the boyfriend but they should of secured the area as well.Do a sweep of every building looking for somebody with a gun.

[Psycho4Bud]

You guys fail to mention why they were standing around for two hours.

When you find two dead bodies, one of a girl and one of a guy, the most common killer is the girls boyfriend. Thinking this, they called the girls roommate and found out that not only did her boyfriend have guns, he had taken them on a hunting trip not long ago. They then spent the next amount of time finding the boyfriend, only to find out his guns were at his parents house in boston.

The point is that they didn't even know there was someone still out there with a gun. All of the logical evidence pointed to the boyfriend in that two hour period.

This makes WAY to much sense for those who supposedly "don't live in fear". The best laugh in this thread was the Bush/Cheney comment........DAMN!

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

We should be thankful no police were hurt

Parents Demand Firing of Virginia Tech President, Police Chief Over Poor Handling of Mass Shooting FOXNews.com - Parents Demand Firing of Virginia Tech President, Police Chief Over Poor Handling of Mass Shooting - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266460,00.html)

LMFAO!!!! FOX news report??? ONLY when it fits the agenda right eg?

Have a good one!:s4:

[dusto2k3]

thats why everyone should have a gun. Maybe someone coulda stopped this guy

[Psycho4Bud]

thats why everyone should have a gun. Maybe someone coulda stopped this guy

I'm sure between the left wing and the ACLU there are valid reasons why we can't. :D

Have a good one!:s4:

[dusto2k3]

I'm sure between the left wing and the ACLU there are valid reasons why we can't.

Lame. It's just lame, I have a permit to carry concealed weapon, and that's all it possibly would've taken to stop this guy. I head stories of students who took control in those classes, just think what one of those leaders could have done if he was armed.

[Psycho4Bud]

Lame. It's just lame, I have a permit to carry concealed weapon, and that's all it possibly would've taken to stop this guy. I head stories of students who took control in those classes, just think what one of those leaders could have done if he was armed.

Hell yeah! But ya see if we arm school officials then the conspiracy left will deam it as a military state, blah, blah, blah.........better to whine after the fact on how the government failed us.

Like most everything else.......we're suppose to all have daphodiles shooting out our backsides until shit hits the fan then it's the governments fault for not being aware of the situation. Now how in the world could this relate to Iran? But that's another thread..........LMAO!

Have a good one!:s4:

[eg420ne]

LMFAO!!!! FOX news report??? ONLY when it fits the agenda right eg?

Have a good one!:s4:

nope it was the only one that had it at that time sorry:thumbsup:

[fishman3811]

Why would you feel safe if everyone in the country had a hand gun?Wouldnt it be better if everyone didnt have a gun?

[eg420ne]

cause man is evil by nature................until we advance, we need everything we have to defend us...

[rebgirl420]

Nope, don't count on the government for anything besides taxes. This is why I believe if the teachers were armed, maybe the death count could have been a lot less.

[jawndoe]

There goes our gun rights =(

[Psycho4Bud]

There goes our gun rights =(

Actually I think that this is having the opposite effects. I'm seeing more on arming staff in the school systems than banning guns.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Cornelius]

thats why everyone should have a gun. Maybe someone coulda stopped this guy

great idea. give everyone guns. that'll stop people from getting shot.


:rolleyes:


honestly people use some common sense.

[ATrain]

great idea. give everyone guns. that'll stop people from getting shot.


:rolleyes:


honestly people use some common sense.

Amen! :)

[eg420ne]

i guess we can beat them with the stapler or throw chalk at em

[fishman3811]

Why dont we get rid of all bloody guns then we wont have to worry about it.Yes p4b we can then all join hands and sing kumbyyah.

[Psycho4Bud]

Why dont we get rid of all bloody guns then we wont have to worry about it.Yes p4b we can then all join hands and sing kumbyyah.

LMAO!!! Can we have flowers in our hair too?:hippy:

Have a good one!:s4:

[fishman3811]

P4B Whatever turns you on bro.But if everyone was armed wouldnt that scare the hell out of you?Having a whole bunch off untrained knuckle heads shooting blindly at someone.Does anybody see the logic of having untrained Charles Bronson wannabees walking around packing heat.Thats not the sociaty that i want to raise my kids in.

[Psycho4Bud]

P4B Whatever turns you on bro.But if everyone was armed wouldnt that scare the hell out of you?

Right now most people that carry guns are criminals. Likewise most gun owners aren't criminals. If I were out in public I'd feel alot better about shit if I knew that that one crazy bastard was outgunned by people like Medicinal.

A crazy bastard is going to start shooting in a crowd of unarmed people.....only a stupid person would do the same if the people were armed.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[twitch]

the thing is did you really think the gov. could protect you from shit like that??

[dusto2k3]

the thing is did you really think the gov. could protect you from shit like that??

No, thats why i have a gun.

[ATrain]

no thats why you arm yourself....because its been proven many times that the police cant help you until after the fact

It can be hard for the police to protect citizens when everyone is armed... Probably be a bit easier if everyday citizens weren't packing :)

[dusto2k3]

It can be hard for the police to protect citizens when everyone is armed... Probably be a bit easier if everyday citizens weren't packing :)

Everyday citizens are not the problem. Criminals and Psychotic people are.

[medicinal]

It can be hard for the police to protect citizens when everyone is armed... Probably be a bit easier if everyday citizens weren't packing Lets get this straight: the police never show up to protect you. They show up after the fact and tag the bodies, then start looking for the perpertrators. So don't be delusional about police protection, That old sign on police cars "To protect and serve" was always bullshit. they protect their own asses and serve their own interests. If you want protection from the crazies, you'll have to do the job yourself. There was a question asked by Michael Moore about why there were so many more gun deaths per capita in The US than Canada. The answer was sort of vague, but it boiled down to this: The Canadian Government actually cares about their constituents, health care, social programs, etc., whereas the USA doesn't give one fuck about the people. The people are seen as only as a source of revenue, and the government is controlled by the corporations, so there are many more poverty stricken areas and mean streets that kids are raised on, producing mean desparate people. Only a hypothesis I realize, but it makes sense to me. So next time you are robbed at gunpoint, or assaulted and raped, Wait there for a cop and yell help, Maybe one will show up and take a report, 15 minutes to an hour or more later, Or get yourself a carry permit and blow the assholes balls off, me, I opt for the latter.

[Psycho4Bud]

So next time you are robbed at gunpoint, or assaulted and raped, Wait there for a cop and yell help, Maybe one will show up and take a report, 15 minutes to an hour or more later, Or get yourself a carry permit and blow the assholes balls off, me, I opt for the latter.

OR if there's a suicide bomber or some other extremist. Damn dude, you'd be an asset to the team! :rambo:

COME TO THE DARKSIDE!:vader1:

Have a good one!:s4:

[divestoned]

I believe this country needs to pass out more concealed weapon permit's,then the bad guy's wont be the only one's w/gun's.

Dive:stoned:

[Dutch Pimp]

...I lay my rifle up against the tree very carefully....I don't want to scratch either one....

[Psycho4Bud]

Why can't we just let the republicans go cause hell then let the liberals come clean up the hate?

That's how it's always been.

We hug trees, you hug rifles.

LMAO!!! I'm one of the few in here "considered" Republican and also one of the few without a pistol or rifle. I'd say Medicinal is pretty much to the left and that dude is ARMED bigtime!

Have a good one!:s4:

[Dutch Pimp]

...it's the man behind the pistol or rifle that decides right or wrong.....you have two heartbeats to decide....take your time..but decide before the time limit expires....

[higher4hockey]

vigilante justice for all! i like where this is headed.

[fishman3811]

So many peope here think that if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns.Well here in Canada the outlaws should be ruling the streets crime would be rampant and body bags would be all over the place.But that is not soo, why?Maybe we dont have as much desperate poor people here?I dont know any ideas?

[higher4hockey]

you're all peace loving hippies ?

[fishman3811]

Higher4hockey lol i dont know bro hockey is pretty violent,so we do have it in us.When they talk about taking fights out of hockey the canucks just go nuts and hate the idea.Me myself i think fighting should only be in boxing but then again i dont follow hockey just football...

[SeNsEmIlLa]

eg420ne... you talk shit on America.. and American men... but I will take my great country (which is becoming full of people from yours... ironic) and its "weak yellow bellies" any day of the week than live in Mexico... don't talk shit about America.. b/c its so much easier to do it on Mexico... and btw... your theories just prove your a fucking idiot.. nuff said...

[eg420ne]

:stupid:

[thcbongman]

Ever heard of a concept of protecting yourself?

You can't rely on government services, they only supplement. If you can't seek ways to protect yourself, the government can't protect you.

[Psycho4Bud]

and btw... your theories just prove your a fucking idiot.. nuff said...

You have just recieved an award from Cannabis.com..........next time will result in a full weeks free vacation plan made just for you!!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

Oh yeah, eg........thanks for keeping it real!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[jawndoe]

Why can't we just let the republicans go cause hell then let the liberals come clean up the hate?

That's how it's always been.

We hug trees, you hug rifles.

One cuts down trees
The Other Takes away the guns..

both are evil.

[Zohar]

P4B Whatever turns you on bro.But if everyone was armed wouldnt that scare the hell out of you?Having a whole bunch off untrained knuckle heads shooting blindly at someone.Does anybody see the logic of having untrained Charles Bronson wannabees walking around packing heat.Thats not the sociaty that i want to raise my kids in.

Well, I see you are from Canada so you clearly have no idea how to get a firearm permit in the US. You first need to go through a lengthy application process, full of paperwork and background checks. Next, you need to take a course on the safe use of firearms. Sounds like training to me.

EDIT: Also, everyone doesn't and shouldn't carry guns, but they SHOULD have the right too if they want. Guns are dangerous, but regardless of their legality people will get guns even if they are outlawed. All you do by taking guns away from citizens is place them in the hands of criminals...again take Canada for instance...bet no criminals there have guns =)

[bongerstonerd00d]

In my state even if you are given a permit to carry a handgun you must keep ammunition seperate from pistol. Well, thats real fucking handy. What do you tell the idiot thats going to kill you? "Wait, you need to let me get some ammo out of the trunk".

Thats why I carry a 12 gauge and a .270 in the rack with shells laying in the console. It's perfectly legal because they are not concealed. I have no plans on killing off a small town or anything like that so I have no need to worry about having a 12-15 shot clip in an semi-automatic handgun on my person. Everyone where I live has a rifle, shotgun or both in their trucks. We have to kill all kinds of annoying shit around here. (snakes, red squirrels, groundhawgs, ceyotes, etc).

I am not a lawyer (thank god, John Edwards comes to mind), but I do believe the only people authorized to carry a loaded handgun are law enforcement. If I am wrong, one of the cann.com "lawyers" can correct me.

Psycho4, you aint the only one who is "right" here:D :D


Well, I am off to celebrate Earth Day. I have to cut a load or two of firewood.:chainsaw:


b0nger:rambohead:

[medicinal]

If I am wrong, one of the cann.com "lawyers" can correct me.

You are wrong, not only about hand guns, but if your avatar is any indication. about many things.

[SeNsEmIlLa]

You have just recieved an award from Cannabis.com..........next time will result in a full weeks free vacation plan made just for you!!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Yes I know... that was stupid of me... and I appologize.... but one more thing... the guy wasnt even American... so eg's original shot at American men isnt even legit...

[Psycho4Bud]

Yes I know... that was stupid of me... and I appologize.... but one more thing... the guy wasnt even American... so eg's original shot at American men isnt even legit...

He's American.....don't let the flag flying fool ya. One day it's Mexico, the next Palestine..........he's a man of mystery!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[SeNsEmIlLa]

Talking about the shooter... the shooter wasn't American... thus.. it makes no sense...

[bongerstonerd00d]

Medi....I know for a fact in my state that "if" you are even granted a permit to carry a handgun you MUST not have gun loaded. I would guess that laws vary from state to state, but again, I do not know. I could look it up, but who gives a rats ass? 12 gauge/.270 in the back window is all I need.

Hell, I am not like that Alec Baldwin guy who threatens 11 year old gurls or nothing. I am a peace loving guy. I only need a gun to kill off an occasional varmit, not people.

By the way, I do like Annie.



Hope you are having a great weekend.

b0nger

[fishman3811]

ZOHAR Yes the criminals do have guns here mostly smuggled from the U.S.But if you look at our murder rate of gun related homocide WE dont have a problem.So all you gun fanatics who think u have to carry a gun around to feel safe i feel very sorry for you.

[Zimzum]

I find it funny people use that "If they had guns they could fight back" argument. While it could be true in this one instance, how many news articles have we avoided by not allowing guns to be carried by anyone, everywhere? Local news from time to time has stories on road rage.. Someone gets cut off, a chase happens, and someone throws hot coffee on someone at the end.. Imagine the ending to that story if they had guns.

We have too many cocky SOB's in this country to allow citizens to just carry a firearm. Who needs the police or laws when we become a nation of vigilantly justice? Be a real man and use your fists.

"Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised"
- Marilyn Manson

[medicinal]

I find it funny people use that "If they had guns they could fight back" argument. While it could be true in this one instance, how many news articles have we avoided by not allowing guns to be carried by anyone, everywhere? Local news from time to time has stories on road rage.. Someone gets cut off, a chase happens, and someone throws hot coffee on someone at the end.. Imagine the ending to that story if they had guns.

We have too many cocky SOB's in this country to allow citizens to just carry a firearm. Who needs the police or laws when we become a nation of vigilantly justice? Be a real man and use your fists.
"Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised"
- Marilyn Manson

What if you're a 90 lb weakling, are you supposed to let the bullies rule over you. "God made man, Smith and Wesson made them equal". Don't fuck with someone just because you are bigger and stronger. I think if everyone carried a gun out in the open like they did in the old west, people would have more respect for one another. All those shootouts you see in the movies, never happened, maybe one or two, but generally speaking, it was when the idiots got drunk and got in a fight that someone got shot. Just the fact that someone can end your life in a heartbeat gives you pause from being an asshole.

[fishman3811]

MED have you been taking bong hits through the barrel of your gun.lol.Look at most European countries where guns are illegal they dont have rampant killings and murder rates up the ass,now you want to go to the opposite spectrum and have everyone carry a gun good god.In the old west people did have respect for each other but today is a different sociaty i think you would just see it getting worse if everyone was armed.

[Mark Bryan]

Nope, don't count on the government for anything besides taxes. This is why I believe if the teachers were armed, maybe the death count could have been a lot less.
My thoughts EXACTLY!

[Mark Bryan]

MED have you been taking bong hits through the barrel of your gun.lol.Look at most European countries where guns are illegal they dont have rampant killings and murder rates up the ass,now you want to go to the opposite spectrum and have everyone carry a gun good god.In the old west people did have respect for each other but today is a different sociaty i think you would just see it getting worse if everyone was armed.
Sorry I disagree! If you WERE armed,you can defend yourself and no one would bother you who mean you harm! Simple as that!

[Mark Bryan]

MED have you been taking bong hits through the barrel of your gun.lol.Look at most European countries where guns are illegal they dont have rampant killings and murder rates up the ass,now you want to go to the opposite spectrum and have everyone carry a gun good god.In the old west people did have respect for each other but today is a different sociaty i think you would just see it getting worse if everyone was armed.
Sorry I disagree! If you WERE armed,you can defend yourself and no one would bother you who mean you harm! Simple as that!

[kassidy]

Here in my state you can carry a concealed weapon with a permit and I do just that. Leo can't always be there to protect you. I think we have a responsibility to protect ourselves and our families. But there is probably no way this act could have been prevented by LEO. The Nasa astronaut and engineer recent fiasco proves that anyone can snap with the right set of circumstances. Canada is always critical of American gun laws. Amazes me the difference in ideologies. I guess it is in the cultural upbringing, but guns are respected and used fo personal protection in the south here. A way of life really.

[medicinal]

MED have you been taking bong hits through the barrel of your gun.lol.Look at most European countries where guns are illegal they dont have rampant killings and murder rates up the ass,now you want to go to the opposite spectrum and have everyone carry a gun good god.In the old west people did have respect for each other but today is a different sociaty i think you would just see it getting worse if everyone was armed.

Nope, no bong hits. In fact here's a little secret, I hardly ever smoke, makes me paranoid. something that happened after I became a cokehead. I gave all that up years ago, but it still doesn't work for me like it used to. I used to love pot, smoked it day and night, a joint in the morning before work, one on the way and anytime I could during work and one on the way home. I spent the better part of 25 years either drunk or stoned on something. I got sober and found out that Pot doesn't work right for me, so I just breath air. I really don't miss it and having a clear head makes me feel better about life. I don't look down on anyone that partakes, I just don't need to.

[fishman3811]

MED Cool pot makes me paranoid also so i quit years ago.Anyway you make more money when you dont smoke your merchandise.

[fishman3811]

Kassidy i agree its just the way your brought up.Guns make no sense to me at all and if you need to have a gun for protection well i think its time to find a safer place to live..LIKE CANADA lol..just kidding

[WalkaWalka]

Its strange when you think about it. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The right. We should of stopped this bullshit long ago. If everyone carried guns. Guns wouldn't be a problem. If they outlawed guns only law abiding people would abide. While the crooks would keep theres. It has been proven time and time again when a state enacts tough gun control measures the crime rate skyrockets. There is no worse thing than for a criminal to come upon an armed victim. Also theres always going to be a delay from when you call the cops till they get there. I don't know about your cops but ours would be pretty fucking worthless in a situation like the VA shooting. Now our highschool is a different story half the kids have pocket knifes and probably half of them have some sort of firearm in there car. A school shooter would have about a snowballs chance in hell if they came to our town.

In the end no ones going to take care of you better than you.

[Mark Bryan]

Couldn't agree MORE!

[higher4hockey]

medicinal~ nice avatar *heavy, heavy sarcasm* ;)

[medicinal]

medicinal~ nice avatar *heavy, heavy sarcasm* ;)

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[Zohar]

ZOHAR Yes the criminals do have guns here mostly smuggled from the U.S.But if you look at our murder rate of gun related homocide WE dont have a problem.So all you gun fanatics who think u have to carry a gun around to feel safe i feel very sorry for you.

I don't own a gun, but it still SHOULD be my right to own one. Here are a couple of stories where guns actually helped:

Issues & Views: Guns Save Lives (http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/2001/article/2012)
Guns Save Lives (http://dartreview.com/issues/2.26.01/gunssave.html)

The above links are to illustrate a point, just want to say to you that there are two sides to the coin. I'm not saying you or I should own guns, but what I am saying is that we SHOULD have the choice to protect ourselves if we feel like it. I don't understand why you'd want the government telling you that you can't protect yourself if you see fit.