Athiest Sub Forum

[PureEvil760]

There should be one, just so the athiests/skeptics have thier own place to talk to eachother about spiritual matters so that they dont have to just flame all the spiritual people here..seriously though why come to the "spirituality forum" if you are a skeptic, it doesnt make sence.

[mrdevious]

seriously though why come to the "spirituality forum" if you are a skeptic, it doesnt make sence.

Because there's more to spirituality than simply being a theist, and theists shouldn't have a monopoly on the matter. Nobody needs to be flaming anybody for their beliefs, but there is definately a double-standard in this respect. If a theist makes a logical argument for why there is a god, that's his/her belief. If an atheist makes a logical argument for why there isn't a god, suddenly it's "you should just respect our beliefs". Respect isn't about agreeing with everybody and everything though, it's about showing respect to the person who holds the beliefs and not belittling them for having them.

[MelT]

There should be one, just so the athiests/skeptics have thier own place to talk to eachother about spiritual matters so that they dont have to just flame all the spiritual people here..seriously though why come to the "spirituality forum" if you are a skeptic, it doesnt make sence.

This forum is, and should remain, about both ends of the spiritual spectrum - belief and non-belief and everything in between. For example, where should a poster go if he or she does believe in god, but not your god? Religion is never a matter of just putting people into boxes. We all have our own version of god/not god and still want to debate with other people about what we believe. Would you want to remove every agnostic as well? Do you want to remove those who haven't made their minds up yet, so count themselves as atheists?

If you removed every atheist from these forums there would still be regular, heated disputes as christians from the 3,500+ variations of christianity fought amongst themselves. I see what's being done to catholics here for example - the religious just can't agree amongst themselves, so whether atheists add in their thoughts too is neither here nor there. Fundamentalists of all kinds will always attack each other.

Thinking about it I think you're right. Let's banish all atheists to a new sector of CC so they can stand back in glee and watch the remaining religious people slaughter each other.


MelT

[JunkYard]

I'm afraid "some" the atheist have us religious folk on logic, lol. Even so, I like having the atheist/theist debates around here. It just makes this forum more exciting. Imagine if everyone agreed...BORING!!!

That would never happen with religion, but the atheists give this place a little more character, lol.


Junk~

[surreys princess]

i think it all falls under this category.....i dont think there should be a forum for just atheists....after all, you do have a religious/spiritual belief, and that is there isnt a God and isnt religion, if you think about it.....

besides...then we would need a jewish, catholic, christian, episcipalian, and on and on forum...too much.....

thanks for the input though....i love when people take the time to express an opinion.. x

[JackdaWack]

What i dont understand is how people can say they believe in god, have a established religion, and yet pick a chose what in that religion they are actually going to practice.
Its like being catholic, and not going to church every sunday, recieving communion with out repenting.... Both of these practices are mortal sins in the religion, but a good percentage do this and still say there catholic, they may be catholic by choice, but there not practicing the actual catholic religion. If you are a religios person god is #1 in your life and nothing else, God has never been #1 in my life and i dont pretend like he is becuase im scared of hell....

[smoke it]

its fine the way it is dude.

[Coelho]

if only there was less flaming on the people's religious beliefs, it would be enough...

[higher4hockey]

"calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color"

[twentysac]

There should be one, just so the athiests/skeptics have thier own place to talk to eachother about spiritual matters so that they dont have to just flame all the spiritual people here..seriously though why come to the "spirituality forum" if you are a skeptic, it doesnt make sence.



hey everyone pure is making an attempt to keep from pissing people off. to be honest i don't agree with much he says but this time i gotta back him up. maybe a board for just atheism isnt the answer but a forum just for people to talk about the idea that maybe God dosn't exist would keep alot of the BS that goes on in the spirituality pages from happening. i do belive that there is a God but i am also all for equal opertunity opinions. so yeah pure i think you might be on to something. and hey man even though i don't agree with all that you say i can't help but reading your post. lol they are atleast a good source of entertainment. lol

[Polymirize]

I disagree. I think its healthy for atheists and theists alike to continuously be forced to re-examine their own beliefs, which the forum at present certainly does.

A closed mind is a dead mind. And I think there's a great deal of open minded discussion going on. I doubt there's a lot of convincing of others going back and forth, but that's not necessary. I think the discussions here do a lot more with respect to self-evaluation than "saving" others.

Personally I'd like to see more discussion of spiritual topics without it becoming a religious debate. Reference your religious beliefs if necessary, but spiritual challenges face all people of all different paths, regardless of how we word it.

My two cents. Keep up the outstanding work everyone.

[Pass That Shit]

I didn't realize there was a difference between an atheist and a religious person?

Seriously, we shouldn't put people in "categories", cause we're all spiritual individuals. Just as someone pointed out that the athiests should sick back and watch the religious people flame each other in their own forum, the same will take place in an all athiest forum. Christian will disagree with Christian and Athiest will disagree with Athiest. I say keep it the way it is.
We need to hear from everyone to learn about everyone. Peace :hippy:

I refer to myself as a Christian, but I don't follow any religion. I'm an individual following the words of Christ.

[JaggedEdge]

Because debates can be fun.

[40oz]

Pure evil has a point though. ive noticed that people on this forum almost go out of their way to tell a person with faith that they are wrong. It gets annoying quick.

[RedLocks]

While I am not against the idea, I think it would take away from the attention whoring point of all the atheist posts. I for one wouldn't even bother clicking the link knowing that all there is to read is 100 identical posts by Christians that don't want to believe in god cause their step dad's beat em

[JaggedEdge]

is 100 identical posts by Christians that don't want to believe in god cause their step dad's beat em

How are we Christian if we don't believe in god...?

[mattmao]

i cant belive people want to be labeled and pigeon holed,just except people are different,thought processes are different beliefs are different.the sooner each and everyone can do this the sooner we will live in a peacefull world.
if we were all born in the image of god that would make us dumb all over and a little ugly on the side!!!!

[JaggedEdge]

One can be atheist and spiritual at the same time.

You can't be atheist and Christian though. Christians believe in god, atheists do not. You can not believe in god and be spiritual, but that still doesn't make you a Christian.

[Oneironaut]

One can be atheist and spiritual at the same time.
It depends on what you mean by "spiritual". I am an atheist because I do not believe that any kind of spirits exist, whether they are souls or gods or whatever. However, I can identify with some things that are often put in the category of "spirituality", like moral philosophy, self-understanding and self-improvement, which I consider very important.

[RedLocks]

How are we Christian if we don't believe in god...?
Without Christianity there is no Atheism. There is barely anyone on this earth save for maybe some alcoholic inbreeding rednecks living in trailers somewhere in the mid west US that wasn't born into a Family that gave them some idea of religion and god through varying degrees of dedication to their faith, and being a child of such a Family would include some level of initiation into the religion at a young age. In my opinion to be a true believer in the absence of the existence of god you would need to find someone willing to do a full frontal lobotomy on you, otherwise it just sounds like a diluted intellectual philosopher cry for attention to my ears, although I assume that there is probably people who enjoy thinking that their existence and life is empty and without meaning.

Remember, suicide is always an option, the world needs less miserable people, and it is a great shortcut to bypass all the useless conversing if god is real or not since there is no answer to an age old question, that is why it is labeled as such.

Way too much typing for a topic that deserves no merit... Sorry if I come off as a little harsh I'm not attacking anyone, it is just I feel the Great Flood came many centuries too early, where is fire and brimstone when ya need it?

[JaggedEdge]

Without Christianity there is no Atheism. There is barely anyone on this earth save for maybe some alcoholic inbreeding rednecks living in trailers somewhere in the mid west US that wasn't born into a Family that gave them some idea of religion and god through varying degrees of dedication to their faith, and being a child of such a Family would include some level of initiation into the religion at a young age. In my opinion to be a true believer in the absence of the existence of god you would need to find someone willing to do a full frontal lobotomy on you, otherwise it just sounds like a diluted intellectual philosopher cry for attention to my ears, although I assume that there is probably people who enjoy thinking that their existence and life is empty and without meaning.

Remember, suicide is always an option, the world needs less miserable people, and it is a great shortcut to bypass all the useless conversing if god is real or not since there is no answer to an age old question, that is why it is labeled as such.

Way too much typing for a topic that deserves no merit... Sorry if I come off as a little harsh I'm not attacking anyone, it is just I feel the Great Flood came many centuries too early, where is fire and brimstone when ya need it?

What crawled up your ass? Open your mind, there more than Christians out there.


Muslims, Budist, Taoist. I at least have science on my side, all you have is an ancient book that should be used for nothing other than historical research. You are the reason Christians get a bad name and you deserve nothing less than excommunication.

Are you so ignorant you believe Christianity is all that is out there, there were religions and beliefs before Christianity and there will be others that follow. I half believe I know more about your faith than you do and that is really quit sad.

[RedLocks]

What crawled up your ass? Open your mind, there more than Christians out there.


Muslims, Budist, Taoist. I at least have science on my side, all you have is an ancient book that should be used for nothing other than historical research. You are the reason Christians get a bad name and you deserve nothing less than excommunication.

Are you so ignorant you believe Christianity is all that is out there, there were religions and beliefs before Christianity and there will be others that follow. I half believe I know more about your faith than you do and that is really quit sad.
sigh.. I intended to leave this thread alone but a ignorant remark like "what crawled up you ass" is going to cause me to waste a few more breaths. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, various pagan religions, etc etc.. all have some type of initiation into the faith in some form or another, varying in how many stages, ages of the right ranging from infancy to young adulthood. I never stated or even implied I was solely speaking of Christianity, and I CERTAINLY NEVER claimed myself to be a Cristian.
Have a good day!

[JaggedEdge]

Your are failing to see the point. Just because most children are brought up with some form of religious back ground does not support the existence of god. I was brought up Catholic, that proves nothing... I fail to see what point you are even trying to make. Most Christian religions base their beliefs on the bible. The oldest book of the bible was written 50 years after the death of J.C. Most books of the bible were written even longer after. The whole base of the Christian faith is based on Jesus and this book, yet there is no evidence to support what you believe. It doesn't matter to me if you believe or not, but it apparently it matters to you or else you wouldn't wish for all the herotics to commit suicide.

I'm glad you feel a since of superiority though. I'm also sure god would really appreciate you getting so pissed off over this conversation. Didn't Jesus teach tolerance and self control?

As for assuming you are Christian, you implied everyone comes from Chritianity, which is off the wall, and called me a Christian athiest... I still fail to see any logic behind that comment.

[brewdy]

i am holy , god is great ... therefore i will brutally murder infidels ....
Ahmed

[RedLocks]

If you were to look back over my 600 something posts you will see I methodically avoid anything pertaining to religion on the internet, save for answering a question here and there about my own faith, which I believe really has no place on the internet. Likewise I am continualy believing more and more that conversation is useless, and the phrase "Action Speaks louder than words" holds more merit to me than it ever did. Even though conversation is basically the staple of religion, for all the wise words spoken nothing will be accomplished without acting on thoughts and theories. Any attacks made on me here or in the real world I kindly will try to repel with calm well thought out words and full understanding of the topic at hand. If you are insulted by my words or world views I apologize, I am not pushing anything on anyone, not even my own children, and certainly not initiating any attacks.

Your are failing to see the point. Just because most children are brought up with some form of religious back ground does not support the existence of god. I was brought up Catholic, that proves nothing...
There is no point to see. Without religion there is no anti religion. To be fully atheist is an impossible feat with the foreknowledge of the existence of religion , as is to prove to existence or non existence of a God. The whole topic is rather silly and fruitless. The whole thing can go around in circles like the jibberish I just spouted... We might as well be talking about if Big Foot exists or not.



It doesn't matter to me if you believe or not, but it apparently it matters to you or else you wouldn't wish for all the herotics to commit suicide.
I don't wish anyone to commit suicide and certainly could care less about heretics. I just offered up suicide as an alternative to conversing on a topic that there is no answer to. Some say the definition of insanity is to expect a different result from the same action i.e. banging your head against the wall and expecting it not to hurt if you do it again, and this topic is as close to banging our heads against a wall as we can get without actually banging our head against the wall to see if it hurts this time.

There is a lot more important topics and causes in this world that can be solved and remedied, instead the world worries about things like Church and State, foreign affairs, greed and vanity, when say.. maybe something like, improvement of Educational systems could be focused on.

How many billions of Dollars of American money went into fighting wars in foreign countries were spent last year when those funds could have went into building new Schools in urban areas, more funding for teachers, all this so my son doesn't have to sit day after day in a over crowded school that was built almost a century ago that barely has room for the students that attend the school, and certainly doesn't provide enough space or Faculty to provide the level of Education that is available to children in this day and age?


I'm glad you feel a since of superiority though. I'm also sure god would really appreciate you getting so pissed off over this conversation. Didn't Jesus teach tolerance and self control?
Sarcasm....nice. I have already apologized if I came off a little harsh and that I wasn't attacking anyone or anything. To elaborate on my earlier statement, I am disappointed in the trivial matters people wish to dwell on, the topic will not bring about a resolution or anything of consequence to the you or myself.

"Let every man be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger"

What I get from this is show tolerance and restraint in all aspects of our lives, but anger is in the nature of God, Jesus and Man biblically speaking. The wrongs of the world have been progressing getting worse and branching off to infect the worlds social structure for centuries, continued tolerance and inaction will serve no purpose in my humble opinion. I acknowledge my ability to converse and comprehend what is put before me despite my lack of formal education as a child, yet I do not feel superior to anyone.

I feel no anger towards this topic and no will to influence anyone, while I may speak harshly at times, it is the equivalent of me coming across a man trying to squeeze water from a stone, I might say (excuse my language) "are you a fucking moron or just retarded, stop wasting your time".


As for assuming you are Christian, you implied everyone comes from Chritianity, which is off the wall, and called me a Christian athiest... I still fail to see any logic behind that comment.
The word God is a Cristian term, members of other faiths only use the word to bring about understanding when speaking to a Cristian. The primary belief of atheism from my perspective is the non existence of God, not Allah and his prophet, Krishna, Ganesh and the rest of the gods of the Hindu faiths, or Budah not to mention the rejection of other faiths isn't as common as it is for Christians. Many people seem to state they don't believe in god or the bible, two distinctively Cristian things, therefore I simply amuse myself by calling them Cristian atheists, not you directly either.

This multi quoting on a fruitless topic is going to kill me, I got lost so many times during my posting..

[JaggedEdge]

No worries man, the suicide comment originally made you come of as the kind of person I dislike greatly. I think you can judge the blind followers who want everyone to believe exactly as they do I'm thinking of. You do not fit that bill.

I also haven't been to this forum for quit some time because I always wind up throwing shit at somebody even if I promised myself I wouldn't.

Peace.

[Pass That Shit]

"Most Christian religions base their beliefs on the bible. The oldest book of the bible was written 50 years after the death of J.C. Most books of the bible were written even longer after. The whole base of the Christian faith is based on Jesus and this book, yet there is no evidence to support what you believe."

Yes, the new testament was written after the death of Jesus, but what about the old?
Jesus said that Moses wrote of him. When were the books of Moses written?

[JaggedEdge]

"Most Christian religions base their beliefs on the bible. The oldest book of the bible was written 50 years after the death of J.C. Most books of the bible were written even longer after. The whole base of the Christian faith is based on Jesus and this book, yet there is no evidence to support what you believe."

Yes, the new testament was written after the death of Jesus, but what about the old?
Jesus said that Moses wrote of him. When were the books of Moses written?

The books of Moses were written before the birth of Jesus. Also all of it may not have been written by Moses.

[RedLocks]

No worries man, the suicide comment originally made you come of as the kind of person I dislike greatly. I think you can judge the blind followers who want everyone to believe exactly as they do I'm thinking of. You do not fit that bill.

I also haven't been to this forum for quit some time because I always wind up throwing shit at somebody even if I promised myself I wouldn't.

Peace.
I got some hate mail via rep system from some goon saying I was "a ignorant and hate filled person" for my original post... haha awe well..
Can't believe I got dragged so far into a topic that wasn't really worth the time for either of us, but thank you for taking the time to talk it out with me none the less.

[Samwhore]

Atheism is a religion, wether you like it or not. The description below the Spirtuality forum states, "Please be respectful of others." What makes you think that you can have your own forum? We religious respect your view of Atheism, as long as you respect ours. If we did that, then we'd need a sub-forum for every religion.

[moeburn]

I think once you do a hallucinogen you automatically become a pantheist.