help me design a cabinet!

[untamed]

Hi all

I originally planned on doing an underbench stealth cabiet, but I have since talked to the other half and decided to go all out and do it properly!

Size I have to play with:

1650mm (64.96") wide
700mm (27.55") deep
2450mm (96.45") high

Plan is to have a 400W in a flower room, and a couple of CFL's in a small veg room.

See attached JPG for an idea of what I have come up with so far.

Please comment on how you think this will work etc, I am very open for good constructive feedback.

Plan is to flow 2 "big" plants every 10 weeks. Is my specified size for flower room big enough for 2 very large plants (indica's)?

[xxxhazexxx]

hello mate, not alot of room you should try just having a little veg room for a mum and clones and have a flower room and do s,o,g to maximise your yeild you can get a few cuttings in there and you will get much more from clones,i do it that way and get loads.:thumbsup:

[untamed]

hi and thanks for replying.

not much room in what regard? depth/width?

[xxxhazexxx]

:thumbsup: for all the storage and shit just use the space for growing you need as much room as posible and i just think its a waste of space other than that cool,a 400 will be perfect,what way are you going hydro,soil e.t.c.and what indicas where you thinking of

[untamed]

pure hydro, thinking flood and drain for flowering as there is a bit of head room there, and bubbler for the clone area/veg room.

strains I'm currently thinking of are white russians, chronic and prob AK47's.

[Scarlet Sky]

your flower room looks to be a good size for two plants, i personally would fit in six. veg room seems a little small, but may be sufficient.

any chance you can give me the dimensions in standard units, not metric? sorry, i'm an ignorant american...:p

[xxxhazexxx]

pure hydro, thinking flood and drain for flowering as there is a bit of head room there, and bubbler for the clone area/veg room.

strains I'm currently thinking of are white russians, chronic and prob AK47's.

thats the way ive got 2 cronic plants at 3 weeks flower and ive just took some ak47 clones,did you knoe ak47 is a sativa?:thumbsup:

[untamed]

ahaha I always though the AK was an indica.. you learn something new every day ;)

Scarlet Sky: I will work out the imperials for you now, just had a joint so it might take a few mins :P

[xxxhazexxx]

i only found out not to long ago myself:D

[untamed]

imperial for the "lazy americans" :P (off topic fact: I just had my honeymoon in hawaii and I loved it.. I wanted to pick up some weed from the locals, but my wife was a little scared, as we aren't local.

you american's are the coolest bunch).

back on topic:
flower room (w: 32.4" d: 27.55" h: 96.45")
control box - electricals etc (w: 32.4" d: 27.55" h: 19.68")
veg room (w: 32.4" d: 27.55" h: 47.24")
storage 1 (w: 32.4" d: 27.55" h: 14.76)
storage 2 (w: 32.4" d: 27.55" h: 14.76)

maybe I get rid of 1 storage and add height to the veg room, taking it up to 61.99" total height?

[untamed]

TOTAL Dimensions ( 64.96" wide x 27.55" x 96.45")

(sorry for the post after another, forgot to add this)

[Scarlet Sky]

yes, ak is sativa, very sativa, here's a pic of ak48 at 7weeks...

[untamed]

thats a nice looking plant. what is the total height of it now?

[Scarlet Sky]

two plants in flower, loooong veg, and you could pull a half lb per harvest. good flower room for two plants, veg room good for two plants, one mom, six clones.

imo

edit: alas, i had a scare with the power company and killed my whole op last week. she's dead, never reached maturity, going to be sold as street schwag, traded out for meds. sux, now i'm going to go broker, because i have to buy my meds. i've started taking my prescriptions again *shudder*

but enough of me, this thread's about you and your babies. lets get this show on the road~ :)

[untamed]

I also forgot to mention, I wanted to originally grow more than 2, but my wife was actually against me growing it from the start, but now she is ok with just 2 plants (plus 2 cuttings in veg). reason being, if I do get caught, its most likely going to be a caution and "dont do it again" from the cops.

Otherwise I would be doing a SOG in that cab!

[Scarlet Sky]

i think you'll end up with a better yeild flowering two big plants as opposed to twenty or thirty small ones. consider dwc being as you want high yeild from less plants.

Bubblers or DWC/deep water culture (http://hygronomics.com/forum1/index.php/topic,11.0.html)

[untamed]

alas, i had a scare with the power company and killed my whole op last week. she's dead, never reached maturity, going to be sold as street schwag, traded out for meds. sux, now i'm going to go broker, because i have to buy my meds. i've started taking my prescriptions again *shudder*

sorry to hear about the loss, that would hurt. what was the scare with the power CO if you dont mind me asking?

back on topic: I will go away now and redesign a quick layout of the cab based on some of the feedback provided... might post it tonight, might be tomorrow (its 12am here).

[untamed]

I would love DWC for my main plants, but I'm too scared I will fark that up.. I have read about root rot with DWC in flower and I'm just too scared to lose flowers.

apart from that DWC thread, do you have any more good links I can read up on?

[Scarlet Sky]

dwc is fail proof. almost... requires a couple of tools, but then it's incredibly easy to maintain.

i grew some plants in plain water for eight weeks in a dwc. no shit! no nutes, no nothing, just tap water. if i can do it, so can you.

here's a super link, all you need to know...

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/94493-kps-cannabis-college-cannabis-issues-facts-guide-3.html

[untamed]

been reading up on DWC, might be the way to go for me!

what size air pumps do people normally use? is it best to keep the 2 flowering plants seperate (i.e. no shared resivour) in case one gets sick?

[xxxhazexxx]

its cool sharing resivour,if your only doing 2 plants you should use a baby n,f,t tank:thumbsup:

[untamed]

I say I will grow 2 for now, but no doubt when I get a taste for growing it that will no doubt double ;)

anyone know any good links to DWC bucket DIY's?

[Scarlet Sky]

a ten dollar air pump from wally with two outlets is plenty for two plants

[bejay]

while I know you said you only want two plants flowering just cant really see using 96 inch of height in your flower room very effectivly growing large plants with a 400 over them, one exception might be doing a vertical scrog with the light positioned in the middle.
if you did ever decide to grow more you would be very limited in that cabinet with it split vertically and you may want to split it horizontally instead by maintaining the same height, and reducing the width to about 4 ft and the depth to 2 ft you could very well yield more in a smaller cabinet if you ever decided to use more plants in a sog or scrog using clones. and put the flower room in the top portion at around 56 inches tall and the mother clone area in the bottom with a height of around 40 inches.
you might read the link below for some scrog info
Scrog : Advanced Tactics - The evolution of scrog (http://www.geocities.com/auto112387/adv/scrog/advscrog.htm)
and you can read alot about dwc at og faq at the link below.
Drugs-Forum - Cannabis cultivation: Overgrow's GrowFAQ (http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/GrowFAQ%20Basic%20Topics.htm)
you can make a good bubbler out of coolers they are more sturdy than the cheaper tubs and also maintain reservoir temps better and are easy to make.

[untamed]

...just cant really see using 96 inch of height in your flower room very effectivly growing large plants with a 400 over them..

can you elaborate a bit more on this? is it a waste of space / too small light?

never done a cab grow, so I am not sure what you're referring to, TBH.

[bejay]

it is just a waste of space for a cab and the light your using a 400 does not have enough light intensity to penetrate very far so any bud sites over 2 ft away from the light will be small and not develop very well due to lack of light so your yield will suffer, and seeing how its in a cab really wouldnt recomend a larger light as you may not be able to control the temps, if it wasnt in a cab a larger light or even more than one light like 2, 600 or 2, 1000 for 2 large plants would work well.
by doing a vertical scrog with the 400 in a cooltube mounted vertically you are eliminating alot of your lights weakness by keeping it close to more budsites and increasing your yield. so you are using the height of the tall room to your advantage but even then you would still have plenty of room to grow 3-6 plants and take full advantage of mulitiple screens.
if you split the cab horizontally and made it smaller width and depth then you would not have all the extra height and could mount the light in a traditional way but you would probably be looking at using more plants to fill the space you would be looking at atleast 4-8 plants in a flat scrog or alot more in a sog 16-32.
the down side to scrog is obviously training which can take some time and would increase the cycle time in the flowering room to more than 10 weeks even more so on a large vertical scrog in a flat scrog you may not increase the time by much but increasing plant numbers would also help fill the screen faster.
but at any rate a 400 mounted in the top of an 8 ft cabinet is not a very good idea and you are wasting alot of space. would take that in to consideration when you build it, if you want to just grow a couple of large plants, wouldnt even bother using a cab at all and buy 1 or 2 larger lights.

[crazywill]

I got one question? can you get the cab thourgh the door.96" is a tall cab for most door ways.But I like the tall cab plan you got,more room.Peace

[untamed]

it is just a waste of space for a cab and the light your using a 400 does not have enough light intensity to penetrate very far so any bud sites over 2 ft away from the light will be small and not develop very well due to lack of light so your yield will suffer, and seeing how its in a cab really wouldnt recomend a larger light as you may not be able to control the temps, if it wasnt in a cab a larger light or even more than one light like 2, 600 or 2, 1000 for 2 large plants would work well.
by doing a vertical scrog with the 400 in a cooltube mounted vertically you are eliminating alot of your lights weakness by keeping it close to more budsites and increasing your yield. so you are using the height of the tall room to your advantage but even then you would still have plenty of room to grow 3-6 plants and take full advantage of mulitiple screens.
if you split the cab horizontally and made it smaller width and depth then you would not have all the extra height and could mount the light in a traditional way but you would probably be looking at using more plants to fill the space you would be looking at atleast 4-8 plants in a flat scrog or alot more in a sog 16-32.
the down side to scrog is obviously training which can take some time and would increase the cycle time in the flowering room to more than 10 weeks even more so on a large vertical scrog in a flat scrog you may not increase the time by much but increasing plant numbers would also help fill the screen faster.
but at any rate a 400 mounted in the top of an 8 ft cabinet is not a very good idea and you are wasting alot of space. would take that in to consideration when you build it, if you want to just grow a couple of large plants, wouldnt even bother using a cab at all and buy 1 or 2 larger lights.

sounds like some sound advice, but please bare in mind:

- I need a cabinet as I do have some people that visit my house, and having mull plants in the open isn't something I want.
- good point about the cabinet being tall, however how do all these other people with 4 people to 1 light manage to get lights to the lower buds? I think I could easily rectify this by using a few CFL's at the lower level true?
- I cannot grow more than 2 plants as my wife will not allow it "at this point in time"
- if I were to SCROG, I wouldnt be building a cabinet this size.

I do appreciate your input however, so why not design something for me using the size I have listed based on the above information also?

[untamed]

I got one question? can you get the cab thourgh the door.96" is a tall cab for most door ways.But I like the tall cab plan you got,more room.Peace

The cabinet will be based in the garage and built in the garage, so no probs there :rastasmoke:

Yeh, I original had the idea of a 'low height stealth cab' with a SCROG, however I am now not limited to height so I thought I may aswell use it.

That being said though, bejay has strongly recommended against my idea.

[bejay]

well you can do it any way you wish, but you may not yield a whole lot from that design but yield isnt everything it would provide most people with enough just depends on how much you use.
so if you have a veg area would guess you are using it for maybe 1 mother plant and a few clones and you are limited to only flowering 2 plants but have 5-6 plants total just the rest wouldnt be flowering?

[untamed]

thats the plan, 2 clones & 2 flowering...

Either that, or just make a slightly longer cycle and grow 3-4 plants from seed/veg and then flower them and get a better yield.

few options to play with at the moment.