â??Damascus Nancyâ?? And Unlawful Diplomacy

[Psycho4Bud]

Pelosi might have talked some sense into the syrian leader and asked him to influence Iran

Nancy Pelosiâ??s recent bumbling foray into foreign policy with Syria shows why diplomacy should be left to that branch of government - the executive branch - that actually has the authority to conduct it. Pelosi conveyed a â??peace messageâ?? from Ehud Olmert to Bashar Assad that - woops! - the Israeli government says it never gave to Pelosi. Apparently Nuancy not only missed the shades of gray there, she missed the black and white as well.
Amateurish and embarassing, yes, but is it illegal also? There is a law called the Logan Act that forbids U.S. citizens from conducting diplomacy without approval from the government. The act, as amended in 2004, reads as follows:

18 U.S.C. § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Members of Congress are not immune from the Act, nor do members of Congress have any constitutional authority to conduct foreign policy. The role of the Senates in foreign policy is basically to ratify treaties and confirm ambassadors. The role of the House is to declare war, and control the purse strings. Thatâ??s it, no more - only the President has the power to actually conduct or authorize foreign policy and diplomacy.
AGORAVOX - The Citizen Media (http://www.agoravox.com/article.php3?id_article=5836)

World opinion has been discussed in here and it seems that our friends in France have issues with "Damascus Nancy" with good cause. Now she DID openly do this atrosity of her own free will against the U.S. constitution.

I hope that the members of congress and senate find their way to bring formal charges up against her, demote her from Speaker of the House, and set an example so this type of breach of power never happens again!:D

Now don't get me wrong, I really feel for the lady; it's a shame that she abused her position is such a manner. :D

Have a good one!:s4:

[VaporDaddy]

Nancy Pelosiâ??s recent bumbling foray into foreign policy with Syria shows why diplomacy should be left to that branch of government - the executive branch - that actually has the authority to conduct it. Pelosi conveyed a â??peace messageâ?? from Ehud Olmert to Bashar Assad that - woops! - the Israeli government says it never gave to Pelosi. Apparently Nuancy not only missed the shades of gray there, she missed the black and white as well.
Amateurish and embarassing, yes, but is it illegal also? There is a law called the Logan Act that forbids U.S. citizens from conducting diplomacy without approval from the government. The act, as amended in 2004, reads as follows:

18 U.S.C. § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Members of Congress are not immune from the Act, nor do members of Congress have any constitutional authority to conduct foreign policy. The role of the Senates in foreign policy is basically to ratify treaties and confirm ambassadors. The role of the House is to declare war, and control the purse strings. Thatâ??s it, no more - only the President has the power to actually conduct or authorize foreign policy and diplomacy.
AGORAVOX - The Citizen Media (http://www.agoravox.com/article.php3?id_article=5836)

World opinion has been discussed in here and it seems that our friends in France have issues with "Damascus Nancy" with good cause. Now she DID openly do this atrosity of her own free will against the U.S. constitution.

I hope that the members of congress and senate find their way to bring formal charges up against her, demote her from Speaker of the House, and set an example so this type of breach of power never happens again!:D

Now don't get me wrong, I really feel for the lady; it's a shame that she abused her position is such a manner. :D

Have a good one!:s4:

If neglecting the U.S. constitution and abusing power is grounds for "demotion", George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should be cleaning trash off the white house parking lot by now.

Have a good one!

[Psycho4Bud]

If neglecting the U.S. constitution and abusing power is grounds for "demotion", George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should be cleaning trash off the white house parking lot by now.

Have a good one!

LOL....the exact response I was expecting.

Now Pelosi is in violation of "18 U.S.C. § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments"; exacty what law is Bush/Cheney in violation of? Wait! You could actually create a new thread to address that........this ones about Pelosis' crimes against the fine people of the United States.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[VaporDaddy]

LOL....the exact response I was expecting.

Now Pelosi is in violation of "18 U.S.C. § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments"; exacty what law is Bush/Cheney in violation of? Wait! You could actually create a new thread to address that........this ones about Pelosis' crimes against the fine people of the United States.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

Re-read the law you posted. She was not in violation.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

" in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States"

Damascus (AsiaNews/Agencies) â?? US-Syrian relations were at the centre of the meeting that took place this morning between US House Speaker, Democrat Nancy Pelosi, and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, IRNA news agency reported.

She told Syrian officials to end Syriaâ??s interference in Iraq and Lebanon, stopping terrorists from crossing into the two countries, and halt its support for Hamas and Hezbollah, a US delegation member is reported as saying.

US President Bush criticised Ms Pelosi's trip to Syria for sending "mixed signals" that undermine US-led efforts to isolate the Syrian president.
SYRIA ââ?¬â?? UNITED STATES Lebanon and Iraq top Nancy Pelosiââ?¬â?¢s Syrian talks - Asia News (http://new.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=8921)

It's pretty clear.......guess we'll have to see what the Democrat controlled congress and senate have to say.

Have a good one!:s4:

[eg420ne]

Its pretty clear what Nancy did wrong was piss in the rights kool-aid--Ohhh Yeaaaah

[eg420ne]

Ms. Pelosi said that members of Congress had a responsibility to play a role in national security issues and that they needed to be able to gather information on their own, and not be dependent on the White House.
Think Progress » Pelosi: Bush administration threw a tantrum. (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/07/pelosi-bush-administration-threw-a-tantrum/)

[medicinal]

Now Pelosi is in violation of "18 U.S.C. § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments"; exacty what law is Bush/Cheney in violation of? Wait! You could actually create a new thread to address that........this ones about Pelosis' crimes against the fine people of the United States.
Just the response I was expecting: a member of our government makes a gesture of peace and you want to have her hung by the ?s. I guess if she'd of said Israel would like to blow the shit out of you, she'd have been doin the right thing, stiring the warmongers huge bowl of shit. This is why we're one of, if not the most, hated countries on the planet. A country run by a bunch of egomaniacle warmongers that bully every other country into giving them their way. It's not our country I don't like, just the sorry bastards running it.

[Psycho4Bud]

Just the response I was expecting: a member of our government makes a gesture of peace and you want to have her hung by the ?s. I guess if she'd of said Israel would like to blow the shit out of you, she'd have been doin the right thing, stiring the warmongers huge bowl of shit. This is why we're one of, if not the most, hated countries on the planet. A country run by a bunch of egomaniacle warmongers that bully every other country into giving them their way. It's not our country I don't like, just the sorry bastards running it.

Hey, if there were republicans, libertarians, etc...over there at the time doing the same they should also be prosecuted. We have ALL stated on how WE should be following the constitution.....I find it amazing that this document NOW should pertain to some but not others.

By the way, this article was from a FRENCH paper.......aren't we concerned about "world opinion" or is that a partisan subject also?:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

Ms. Pelosi said that members of Congress had a responsibility to play a role in national security issues and that they needed to be able to gather information on their own, and not be dependent on the White House.
Think Progress » Pelosi: Bush administration threw a tantrum. (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/07/pelosi-bush-administration-threw-a-tantrum/)

eg420ne....tsk,tsk.........you of all people have posted many, many times on how we're crapping on our constitution. Could you point out the article that states that the congress or senate has the right to negotiate on behalf of the U.S.
LII: Constitution (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section2)

The executive branch is in control of foreign affairs........not the congress.

Have a good one!:s4:

[eg420ne]

Ohhhh Psycho,:silly: i forget your for peace and im for war

[Psycho4Bud]

Ohhhh Psycho,:silly: i forget your for peace and im for war

I'm for upholding our Constitution.......like we ALL should be!:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[Zimzum]

"eg420ne....tsk,tsk.........you of all people have posted many, many times on how we're crapping on our constitution. Could you point out the article that states that the congress or senate has the right to negotiate on behalf of the U.S."

She never claimed to be there to negotiate anything. She made it known that she was only there to to listen and had no power of the administration like the secretary of state... However she third in line to the presidency..*cough* *cough* hint *wink*

You ever notice that when condi goes anywhere nothing ever happens.

[Psycho4Bud]

She never claimed to be there to negotiate anything. She made it known that she was only there to to listen and had no power of the administration like the secretary of state.

Once again:



Damascus (AsiaNews/Agencies) â?? US-Syrian relations were at the centre of the meeting
SYRIA ââ?¬â?? UNITED STATES Lebanon and Iraq top Nancy Pelosiââ?¬â?¢s Syrian talks - Asia News (http://new.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=8921)


Not to mention the false message from Israel....LOL.

Have a good one!:s4:

[fishman3811]

PSYCHO your for upholding the constitution .Well u should be the last person to root for Bush then,or do u not read the newspapers?

[Psycho4Bud]

PSYCHO your for upholding the constitution .Well u should be the last person to root for Bush then,or do u not read the newspapers?

"â??Damascus Nancyâ?? And Unlawful Diplomacy "

This is what happens when the left has nothing to say about one of their own. LOL

You COULD make a thread about Bush OR reply to the other 100 Bush bash threads in here.........so what do ya think of Pelosi?

Have a good one!:s4:

[VisionaryUrbanTactic]

hahaha

deleting replys now old boy, LOL

[Psycho4Bud]

hahaha

deleting replys now old boy, LOL

You mean this one that you posted in another thread?


well it looks like one repub is foaming at the mouth huh?

It's a rule of thumb that nothing gets deleted in politics unless it's in big time violation of the rules. You need to get a grip....there are NO deleted posts in this thread!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[medicinal]

Man P4b, I think you picked the wrong side in this one, I seriously doubt if she could be brought up on charges and if she was, there would be hell to pay for Bush. He would be subpoened for every infraction his administration has ever commited, and there are many. She was simply on a fact finding forray and there is nothing that says that is un-lawful. Maybe she slipped with a peace gesture (My My how awful, a gesture of peace, she should be hung) but she was doing the job that Dickhead refuses to do, namely correspond with foriegn governments. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer", an intelligent postulate if ever there was.

[eg420ne]

You hit it on the spot.^^^...maybe thats why p4b has 3 threads on nancy cause he lost it

[Psycho4Bud]

You hit it on the spot.^^^...maybe thats why p4b has 3 threads on nancy cause he lost it

LMAO!!! Make sure you post the same to pisshead when we see thread #1000 on 9-11. I'm SURE he's getting damn close by now.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

Man P4b, I think you picked the wrong side in this one, I seriously doubt if she could be brought up on charges and if she was, there would be hell to pay for Bush.

Good...in fact GREAT! It's about time these pompous assholes are brought to a standard. All this partisan bullshit is the reason why our government is in such a mess.

The only problem about going after the prez is the "Nixon factor"....remember that bitch slap to the citizens? Nixon pardons Spiro Agnew of any and all charges, appoints Ford for a replacement, resigns so Ford can do the same for him.

Have a good one!:s4:

[psykoactive420]

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer", an intelligent postulate if ever there was

so you agree Syria is not an ally, moreso a enemy to USA.

[eg420ne]

Psycho still has sum fight in him:gunfighter2: hey p4b how many people nancy killed since that trip compared to how many this bush regime has killed in the name of War On Terror.............you alll want war, then lets have one on our soil, but its not gonna be muslims, that we be fighting...................

[Psycho4Bud]

Psycho still has sum fight in him:gunfighter2:

Despite popular belief in here I really got no time for any of the existing parties. Just choosing what I feel is the less of the evils running instead of who would be great. Their ex-lawyers for christs sake.....that should be the clue.

hey p4b how many people nancy killed since that trip compared to how many this bush regime has killed in the name of War On Terror.............you alll want war, then lets have one on our soil, but its not gonna be muslims, that we be fighting...................

Almost all the ex presidents have blood on their hands.....hell, Clinton ignored Rwanda that resulted in almost 1,000,000 dead. WE should have stepped in but hell.........the French were involved in that crap, can't step on their toes. Thats not to mention his actions in Sudan and Kosovo.........oh ya, he enjoyed throwing a few tomahawk missiles into Iraq from time to time also.

LOL...let another 9-11 happen and you'll see what happens with the Muslim community in the U.S. Right or wrong....it would be nasty. I recall spending some time in Atlanta back in 95 and the hatred was heavy and hard for them back then. Michigan would be the area to watch........

Have a good one!:s4:

[eg420ne]

Its OUR Government(and its masters) thats the real enemy of the American people....

have a bad one:toilet_claw:

[fishman3811]

Pelosi is number 3 in line for the presidency if anything god forbid happens to Cheney and Bush.So whats wrong with her talking about peace???Sure as shit Bush doesnt want peace.

[eg420ne]

Wow! cant wait to see the response on that one, fishman3811

[pisshead]

i thought war was peace...maybe i'm wrong...

[medicinal]

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer", an intelligent postulate if ever there was

so you agree Syria is not an ally, moreso a enemy to USA.

Well, I'm sure Syria (the Government of Syria) believes the US considers them an enemy, and our government surely doesn't consider them an ally, but they are no enemies of mine. So in answer to your question they are probably considered an enemy. Is it not better to converse with your enemy as opposed to bombing them. There are too many people that believe in Gunboat diplomacy. I think what Nancy did was to try and open dialog between Syria and the US, not a bad thing in my opinion. Those countries do not have the capacity to take us on militarily. It would be an intelligent thing to bring them over to our way of thinking as opposed to the Muslim extremests. Once a country becomes entirely under Sharia law, the opportunity for dialog is over.

[fishman3811]

Iraq doesnt or didnt have the capacity to take on the mighty American army but look at that mighty army now.I dont think America has learned anything from the Vietnam fiasco.The Americans will kill for a cause but the muslims are ready to die for a cause and thats the big differance.You cant beat someone who is ready to give up their life.

[Psycho4Bud]

Pelosi is number 3 in line for the presidency if anything god forbid happens to Cheney and Bush.So whats wrong with her talking about peace???Sure as shit Bush doesnt want peace.

It's called Job Responsibilities:

Executive Branch: Headed by the president. The president carries out federal laws and recommends new ones, directs national defense and foreign policy, and performs ceremonial duties. Powers include directing government, commanding the Armed Forces, dealing with international powers, acting as chief law enforcement officer, and vetoing laws.

Legislative Branch: Headed by Congress, which includes the House of Representatives and the Senate. The main task of these two bodies is to make the laws. Its powers include passing laws, originating spending bills (House), impeaching officials (Senate), and approving treaties (Senate).

Judicial Branch: Headed by the Supreme Court. Its powers include interpreting the Constitution, reviewing laws, and deciding cases involving states' rights.

Speaker Of The House:
As the leader of the majority party, the Speaker may use the powers of the office to advance the legislative agenda of the party. The Speaker is influential in determining which bills the House will consider and determines the schedule. The Speaker also places his party's members on committees. The powerful Committee on Rules, which has been called "the arm of the Speaker," sets the rules for debate, including which, if any, amendments may be in order. The Speaker negotiates many internal matters with the minority leader, such as the membership ratio between parties on committees, and the Speaker selects members of conference committees to negotiate differences with the Senate.


Now unless someone, ANYONE can come up with a link, whatever that states that the Speaker of the House has the right to bypass the President on Foreign relations great; if not, well then I guess saying screw the constitution is o.k. when it works out in the favor of the left only.

IF nobody can challenge this BUT still believes that Pelosi was in the right, lol, please don't throw this b.s. on how were pissing on our constitution up again........it'll be kind of hypocritical to say the least.

Have a good one!:s4:

[medicinal]

It's called Job Responsibilities:

Executive Branch: Headed by the president. The president carries out federal laws and recommends new ones, directs national defense and foreign policy, and performs ceremonial duties. Powers include directing government, commanding the Armed Forces, dealing with international powers, acting as chief law enforcement officer, and vetoing laws.

Legislative Branch: Headed by Congress, which includes the House of Representatives and the Senate. The main task of these two bodies is to make the laws. Its powers include passing laws, originating spending bills (House), impeaching officials (Senate), and approving treaties (Senate).

Judicial Branch: Headed by the Supreme Court. Its powers include interpreting the Constitution, reviewing laws, and deciding cases involving states' rights.

Speaker Of The House:
As the leader of the majority party, the Speaker may use the powers of the office to advance the legislative agenda of the party. The Speaker is influential in determining which bills the House will consider and determines the schedule. The Speaker also places his party's members on committees. The powerful Committee on Rules, which has been called "the arm of the Speaker," sets the rules for debate, including which, if any, amendments may be in order. The Speaker negotiates many internal matters with the minority leader, such as the membership ratio between parties on committees, and the Speaker selects members of conference committees to negotiate differences with the Senate.


Now unless someone, ANYONE can come up with a link, whatever that states that the Speaker of the House has the right to bypass the President on Foreign relations great; if not, well then I guess saying screw the constitution is o.k. when it works out in the favor of the left only.

IF nobody can challenge this BUT still believes that Pelosi was in the right, lol, please don't throw this b.s. on how were pissing on our constitution up again........it'll be kind of hypocritical to say the least.

Have a good one!:s4:

Just call me a hypocrite. I just believe in common sense. If the president isn't doing his job and has no intentions of doing it, then someone with some common sense (also second in line to the presidency) seems like an OK person to deal with foriegn governments, soften them up so to speak. I seriously doubt if Pelosis' talks with Syria will have any profound results, but if they help the Syrian leader soften up to a future Democratic regime that might open Dialog with these nations, what's the foul. Hey Bushco will do whatever evil they intend to do, with or without Nancys' influence. I just hope that someone from our country speaking peace might soften the rest of the worlds opinion of us. Right now, we are known as the bullies on the block. You know, this is not a foot ball game. The rest of the world knows we are the toughest in the world, we don't have to threaten everyone we see. Benevolence is a good thing as in more flies with honey than shit etc.

[Psycho4Bud]

I just believe in common sense. If the president isn't doing his job and has no intentions of doing it, then someone with some common sense (also second in line to the presidency) seems like an OK person to deal with foriegn governments

IF Congress really feels that Bush isn't doing his job their position grants them the right to call for impeachment proceedings.....nothing more.

If you are a supervisor at a company and the C.E.O. has a policy that you don't agree with and feel that it's not in the best interests of that company; you don't have the privilage of overriding his policy and if you do your probably fired. Same thing here.......Pelosi decided to take it upon herself to act like she had the rights and privs of the Executive office. Hell, that started off with her request for a Presidential plane upgrade when she took the position. She might be #3 in the rankings but is still considered part of Congress........NOT the Executive branch.

Have a good one!:s4:

[medicinal]

Hell, that started off with her request for a Presidential plane upgrade when she took the position. She might be #3 in the rankings but is still considered part of Congress........NOT the Executive branch.
II believe that fiasco was started by the master of arms of the House that dictated protocol that she have a plane at her disposal, Not really nancys' idea. I believe that she was perfectly willing to fly commercial, but for safety reasons they wanted her to have her own airplane. What happened next was the executive jet they assigned her was too small for her entourage, family and friends so she requested a non-stop capable plane as it would be more dangerous to make multiple stops on her cross country flights, and the plane was too small. All she really wanted was to make a nonstop flight from Washington to her home in Calif. So I believe now, she flies commercial. And I believe it is congress' job to keep the executive branch from being a one man show, you know the old checks and balances thing, something that has been missing for the last 6+ years.

[Psycho4Bud]

And I believe it is congress' job to keep the executive branch from being a one man show, you know the old checks and balances thing,[/COLOR]

I'm VERY glad you bring up "checks and balances":

Another system that was developed was the system of checks and balances. Checks and balances, or the separation of powers, is based upon the philosophy of Baron de Montesquieau. In this system the government was to be divided into three branches of government, each branch having particular powers.
Checks and Balances (http://www.socialstudieshelp.com/Lesson_13_Notes.htm)

You either have to admit that Pelosi was crossing lines by trying to act like she belonged to the Executive Branch; or your stating that our entire system needs a revamp and ALL these people should just be able to do whatever they want. The Executive Branch is the ONLY one in charge of foreign policy.....Congress controls the purse strings, not talking to world leaders on our current shit list.

Now if Newt Gingrich would have pulled this during the Clinton years I'm SURE some of you would have been on the warpath!;)

Have a good one!:s4:

[eg420ne]

beat that dead horse:stoned:

[Psycho4Bud]

beat that dead horse:stoned:

LMAO! Didn't you mean to post that in a Prisonplanet 9-11 thread.......there's only how many in here now?:D OOOPS.....this isn't about bashing a republican, sorry!!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

[eg420ne]

Nope! people still learning about whatreallyhappened on 911:thumbsup:

[fishman3811]

P4B What about all the other members of congress who have gone to other countries for diplomacy reasons.Example congressman Danny Haster who went to Columbia to tell them how to handle drug dealers while Clinton was in office,he went on his own not because Clinton told him to go.

[Psycho4Bud]

P4B What about all the other members of congress who have gone to other countries for diplomacy reasons.Example congressman Danny Haster who went to Columbia to tell them how to handle drug dealers while Clinton was in office,he went on his own not because Clinton told him to go.

He overstepped his power even worse than Pelosi and SHOULD have been held accountable for it!

Contact with Colombian government
In 1997, Hastert led a Congressional delegation to Colombia. At that time, the administration of President Bill Clinton was concerned about human rights abuses by the Colombian military. Hastert urged Colombian officials to "bypass the U.S. executive branch and communicate directly with Congress."[11]
Dennis Hastert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert)

If these people want to travel a bit for their precious photo ops to friendly countries fine.....if their mission is against the Executive Branches foreign policy that's bullshit. Pelosi's visit was bullshit along with your examples.

During the time of Hasterts trip, the nation was way to busy wondering if Bill had dipped a Presidential cigar and the dems didn't want to give the impression that they were creating a distraction. Just more partisan bullshit!

Have a good one!:s4:

[GrowRebel]

VIDEO: (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/08/rahall-syria-trip/) A member of Pelosiâ??s delegation knows a BS smear when heâ??s sees it. The Syria visit was done with knowledge of the White House and the cooperation of the State Department.


VIDEO: (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/08/guess-which-one-was-defending-pelosis-trip/)Republican Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) defends Nancy Pelosiâ??s trip to Syria.

:noel:

[GrowRebel]

exacty what law is Bush/Cheney in violation of? Wait! You could actually create a new thread to address that........this ones about Pelosis' crimes against the fine people of the United States.:D



What a hypocrite you are .... there are plenty of crimes the illegitimate bush regime has committed that you completely ignore or disregard .... I could post many examples .... but I'll keep it simple with one .....

.... this is more for our viewers at home ....
I posted this awhile back and it wasn't addressed check it out (http://boards.cannabis.com/1180479-post30.html)

You get the picture folks this is one of many crimes committed by this illegitimate regime.

:noel:

[medicinal]

VIDEO: (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/08/rahall-syria-trip/) A member of Pelosiâ??s delegation knows a BS smear when heâ??s sees it. The Syria visit was done with knowledge of the White House and the cooperation of the State Department.


VIDEO: (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/08/guess-which-one-was-defending-pelosis-trip/)Republican Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) defends Nancy Pelosiâ??s trip to Syria.

:noel:

Yeah, a mouthpiece for bush, liebermans main job. How anyone could not see throught this clown is amazing. He only wore the Democratic label because his home state voted mostly democratic, he was a republican in sheeps clothing. I've disliked Lieberman ever since he stuck up for Bushs' invasion of Iraq. It was republicans voting for him in his home state that put him in office defeating Ned Lamont, a real tradgedy for the democrats. This guy is a real scumbag, just to listen to him snivel makes my stomach turn.

[Fengzi]

I don't neccessarily agree with the way Pelosi did what she did, but I can understand it. The Bush administration's attempts at diplomacy have been ridiculous. He acts like the rest of the world is little children and he's the (unfit)parent. "I'm the boss, so do what I say, god damn it, or you'll be punished! Fuck off if you don't agree."

What Bush has done to our image abroad can be compared to what Katrina did to New Orleans. Whoever is in power after 2008 will have a lot of international damage control to do. The Dems sense that they're going to be the ones doing it, so they're just starting early.

[Psycho4Bud]

The Syria visit was done with knowledge of the White House and the cooperation of the State Department.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's scheduled visit to Syria tomorrow drew strong criticism again from the White House today, despite the fact that three Republican congressmen went to Syria yesterday.
"It sends the wrong message to have high level U.S. officials go over there to have photo opportunities that Assad then exploits," said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.
"The government of Syria continues to undermine the democratically elected government of Lebanon. They are allowing foreign enemy fighters to pass into Iraq through its border with Iraq, which is not only targeting our American soldiers, but Iraqi soldiers, as well as innocent Iraqi people. [Mr. Assad] knows that," Mrs. Perino said.
White House criticizes Pelosi's Syria trip - Nation/Politics - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070402-024030-6570r.htm)

Knowing about it and giving authorization are two completely different things.....what do ya think the White House should have done, grounded her to her room? lol

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

What a hypocrite you are .... there are plenty of crimes the illegitimate bush regime has committed that you completely ignore or disregard .... I could post many examples .... but I'll keep it simple with one .....

.... this is more for our viewers at home ....
I posted this awhile back and it wasn't addressed check it out (http://boards.cannabis.com/1180479-post30.html)

You get the picture folks this is one of many crimes committed by this illegitimate regime.

:noel:

If there is one thing that I've learned with a few people in here is to check out the facts and NOT to let their little "spin" papers such as prisonplanet, etc..be considered as such.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:5:./temp/~c107TbA4uP::)

Read the highlighted area once and remember that thing called "Food For Oil". According to the provision you pointed out it was pretty clear that the people of the U.N. were NOT going to do any action based on the fact that they had other motives.

Next, IF the White House was in violation of any resolution then it's up to congress to proceed with an impeachment in accordance to our Constitution.

So how does that make me a hypocrit or did you just have to get your rocks off?

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

But once again.......lets try to keep this to the actual topic if unless my left wing friends are throwing our constitution out the door.

Have a good one!:s4:

[GrowRebel]

If there is one thing that I've learned with a few people in here is to check out the facts and NOT to let their little "spin" papers such as prisonplanet, etc..be considered as such.



We can and have said the same of you .... That's all bullshit you posted and my links show that .... there were no weapons .... the invasion was illegal .... that's a fact ... you can call it spin as much as you like .... we know that repuke talking point 193 .... Congress (most) won't do anything because they are in the pocket of the corporations who want these wars to continue and wish to expand .... and what evidence do you have other than your opinion that prisonplanet is not a credible news source?:wtf:

:noel:

[Fengzi]

and what evidence do you have other than your opinion that prisonplanet is not a credible news source?:wtf:

:noel:

I'm with you on the whole we shouldn't be in Iraq thing, and the fact that Bush is an idiot, but Prisonplanet?? I mean seriously...come on GrowRebel, leave that nonsense to pisshead.

[Psycho4Bud]

We can and have said the same of you .... That's all bullshit you posted

O.K......The actual document from the Library of Congress is bullshit.........whatever dude!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

[medicinal]

Get out now, and lets talk about what went wrong later. There's enough blame to go around, but to stay is assinine. Wind this thing up. The Iraqis (with the exception of a few hundred on our payroll) want us out. they showed that this weekend, with tens of thousands in the streets shouting American occupiers go home, can you get it, they don't want us there, so lets leave. Fuck the corporations, let Blackstone protect their interests. Those guys are getting 100K+ a year to risk their lives, GTF out now!!!!

[GrowRebel]

I'm with you on the whole we shouldn't be in Iraq thing, and the fact that Bush is an idiot, but Prisonplanet?? I mean seriously...come on GrowRebel, leave that nonsense to pisshead.

Again I ask .... what about prisonplanet that lack credibility? ....site something ... :wtf:

[fishman3811]

The only people who want American soldiars in Iraq is the Iraq government because they know once the Americans are gone they will loose power,and the American neocons with the help of their corporate masters want to stay in Iraq because of all the money they are making from the tax payers of America.Remember Dick Cheney before he dicks you

[Psycho4Bud]

The only people who want American soldiars in Iraq is the Iraq government because they know once the Americans are gone they will loose power,and the American neocons with the help of their corporate masters want to stay in Iraq because of all the money they are making from the tax payers of America.Remember Dick Cheney before he dicks you

And what the hell does all this rhetoric have to do with the thread topic?

You DO have the option of opening a new thread with this agenda or replying to the countless others.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Fengzi]

Again I ask .... what about prisonplanet that lack credibility? ....site something ... :wtf:

All U.S. (probably worldwide) media lacks credibility. Doesn't matter if it's PrisonPlanet, Fox News, or someone in between. It's all about the $. The truth is rarely as exiting as the 1/2 or 1/4 truth, in fact it's usually rather boring. Boring doesn't sell newspapers, get viewers, or hits on a website and, more importantly, boring doesn't sell advertising space. So, these "truthful" stories are carefully crafted to get the desired audience's attention, keep it, and lead them to believe whatever the particular media source, and their sponsors, want them to believe. Some people will look at that news, call "bullshit" and leave, but for many others the hook will be set. Then that specific media source just keeps feeding the same crap out and it's audience eagerly eats it up.

As for PrisonPlanet specifically, a quick look at their sponsors say's a lot. Water Filters and long-term storable food?? They cater to unibomber types; people terrified of the government and hiding out in a cabin deep int the woods. Sories like "Man's homemade flying saucer to be developed as surveillance drone" don't really give me confidence that they are 100% truthful without any agenda. Sure, it's the "truth" but like I mentioned above, it's a truth that's been carefully crafted to give it exactly the kind of spin they want it to have.

Take, for example, any story that starts out "Expert in the field states that.....". Now, it doesn't really matter if they contacted 1000 "experts" in the field and only one, the guy who was recently diagnosed with schizophrenia and generally considered a crackpot in his field, agreed with what they wanted to hear. They just don't mention the other 999 experts. Technically, it isn't a lie. The truth is they found an "expert" that told them what they wanted. Right???

But hey, believe what you want. What right do I have to tell you to take off the tin-foil hat.

[fishman3811]

Fengzi also a lot of these experts are paid for their view so u have to take things with a grain of salt.People have there own agenda and alot of the time money is usually behind every agenda.Im not saying everything at prison planet is bullshit BUT alot of it is designed for the soo called outer fringes of sociaty.I remember january 1 2000 was suppose to be the end of everything that we know of .People were predicting total caouse and a lot of people bought security sheltors and land in the woods and basicly believed some of the hype that some media types were spewing out.So take everything with a grain of salt and be well informed ................peace

[Fengzi]

Fengzi also a lot of these experts are paid for their view so u have to take things with a grain of salt.People have there own agenda and alot of the time money is usually behind every agenda.Im not saying everything at prison planet is bullshit BUT alot of it is designed for the soo called outer fringes of sociaty.I remember january 1 2000 was suppose to be the end of everything that we know of .People were predicting total caouse and a lot of people bought security sheltors and land in the woods and basicly believed some of the hype that some media types were spewing out.So take everything with a grain of salt and be well informed ................peace

Exactly fishman!! You get it :thumbsup: Whether the "experts" are being paid, have their own agenda, or are simply nuts doesn't matter. The media will still pull them out of thew woodwork to back up their stories. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I have come to distrust pretty much anything the media says, certainly the more sensationalistic stuff. If you weren't there yourself, you can never know what really happened.

[GrowRebel]

All U.S. (probably worldwide) media lacks credibility. Doesn't matter if it's PrisonPlanet, Fox News, or someone in between. It's all about the $. The truth is rarely as exiting as the 1/2 or 1/4 truth, in fact it's usually rather boring.

As for PrisonPlanet specifically, a quick look at their sponsors say's a lot. Water Filters and long-term storable food?? They cater to unibomber types; people terrified of the government and hiding out in a cabin deep int the woods. Sories like "Man's homemade flying saucer to be developed as surveillance drone" don't really give me confidence that they are 100% truthful without any agenda. Sure, it's the "truth" but like I mentioned above, it's a truth that's been carefully crafted to give it exactly

But hey, believe what you want. What right do I have to tell you to take off the tin-foil hat.

So you can't site anything specific about prison planet's reporting ..... you just think they lack credibility because of their sponsors? ..... and I'm the one with the tin-foil hat?:wtf:

:noel:

[fishman3811]

GrowRebal you just have to take a broader look at the whole picture before you can make an informed decision on things is what Fengzi is trying to say i think.

[Fengzi]

:rolleyes:
So you can't site anything specific about prison planet's reporting ..... you just think they lack credibility because of their sponsors? ..... and I'm the one with the tin-foil hat?:wtf:

:noel:

:rolleyes: GrowRebel, I honestly don't have time to go and dissect one of the ridiculous conspiracy theory stories on prison planet that will give a specific example of it's lack of credibility. Call it a cop out if you will but...

Some intersting headlines though

"Gene mutations behind fidgety kids: German scientists"

"Former Bush Speechwriter Hints at 9/11 Inside Job"

"'I am plotting a new Russian revolution' "

"The Clone Wars"

Etc., Etc.

Anyhow, the main point is that to be really credible, a media source should be unbiased. PrisonPlanet is about as biased as it can get. That right there takes away from it's credibility. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Fox News is any better, on the contrary, they're just biased in the other direction. Either can manipulate the "truth" to make you believe what they want you to believe.

Let me give you an example of what I'm saying. These are my own "news reports" about a company that my company does business with. It does exist, but in the interest of anonymity we'll call it "Company X". These two reports are both with 100% truthful, everything I'm stating did happen. But each is presented from a different viewpoint. Much like you might get from two different news sources with opposing views.

First Report:

Headline: Vice President Leaves "Doomed" Company in The Nick Of Time"

First Paragraph: "According to its former Vice President, "Company X" is doomed. He cites poor sales and declining stock prices as proof of his claim. He goes on to warn potential investors that putting money into "Company X" is like flushing it down the toilet."

Damn, "Company X" sounds pretty crappy. If I read this and had stock in the company I'd be running to sell.

Then again, what if I had read this story first

Headline: After Firing Hated Exec, "Company X" Finally On The Road To Recovery"

First Paragraph: Three weeks ago "Company X" terminated it's universally disliked Vice-President of Sales. Since then, shares of it's stock have gone up 10% and the new plan initiated by his replacement looks to be a winner. Things have stared to turn around and now is the time to invest in "Company X"

See what I mean? Two, 100% truthful, stories about the same subject but that are obviously intended to steer the reader one way or another. This is what almost all news sources do but some, like PrisonPlanet, take it to the extreme. I don't really call that "credible". Can you? And if you agree that a news source with a specific agenda, one that is certainly not biased, can not be credible, can you then honestly say that PrisonPlanet is credible?

[GrowRebel]

I don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that prisonplant is my only source .... it's not. I check out several sources .... so to suggest I don't have a broad source and can't make informed decisions because I ask about prisonplanet's credibility is not very broad minded.

According to him all news sources lie .... if that's the case what's the point in keeping informed? :wtf: :hippy:


:noel:

[GrowRebel]

Knowing about it and giving authorization are two completely different things.....what do ya think the White House should have done, grounded her to her room? lol

Have a good one!:s4:

Are they really? You were the one that said she was breaking the law. According to you they should have done more.

So for the folks at home .... as you can see ... our good friend psycho is wrong again.:hippy:

:noel:

[Fengzi]

I don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that prisonplant is my only source .... it's not. I check out several sources .... so to suggest I don't have a broad source and can't make informed decisions because I ask about prisonplanet's credibility is not very broad minded.


:noel:

Good for you GrowRebel. If you check out several sources that means you're on the right track. Just be careful you're not checking out only those sources that are steering you in the same direction. More inportant than finding several sources is finding several viewpoints. I never said that PrisonPlanet was your only news source though. This debate hasn't been about the number of your news sources, however. It has only been about your very own original question


what evidence do you have other than your opinion that prisonplanet is not a credible news source? :



According to him all news sources lie .... if that's the case what's the point in keeping informed? :wtf: :hippy:


:noel:

And I never said all news sources lie. I really said they all tell the "truth". Just their own versions of it. ;)

[Psycho4Bud]

Are they really? You were the one that said she was breaking the law. According to you they should have done more.

So for the folks at home .... as you can see ... our good friend psycho is wrong again.:hippy:

:noel:
I pointed out the law.........the article from the constitution; there is no way to stop a person before hand in a case like this but a warning on what would happen should have been given at the very least. NOW she's talking about a trip to Iran.....LOL....birds of a feather I guess.

So GR, how does this make me wrong? I'm VERY suprised that your hero from Prisonplanet isn't covering this since he's so big on the constitution.......I guess since it goes against the "right" it wouldn't be a big tape seller to discredit this one........

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

And I never said all news sources lie. I really said they all tell the "truth". Just their own versions of it. ;)

LMAO!
Actual Headline:
Bush saves kid by kicking off vicious dog.

Prisonplanet version:
Bush commits animal cruelty.

Have a good one!:s4:

[GrowRebel]

I pointed out the law.........the article from the constitution; there is no way to stop a person before hand in a case like this but a warning on what would happen should have been given at the very least. NOW she's talking about a trip to Iran.....LOL....birds of a feather I guess.

So GR, how does this make me wrong? I'm VERY suprised that your hero from Prisonplanet isn't covering this since he's so big on the constitution.......I guess since it goes against the "right" it wouldn't be a big tape seller to discredit this one........

Have a good one!:s4:

Who's my hero prisonplanet psycho? When did I say I had a hero at prisonplanet?

See here folks .... typical bushies tactic .... if the facts aren't on their side they make shit up.

You stated the law to attempt to show Pelosi was breaking the law .... you were wrong again .... but I'm not trying to change your views in any way .... just pointing out to the folks in our viewing audience you don't have the facts.:hippy:

:noel:

[Fengzi]

See here folks .... typical bushies tactic .... if the facts aren't on their side they make shit up.


:noel:

What, you mean Iraq really didn't have WMD's ;)

[Psycho4Bud]

Who's my hero prisonplanet psycho? When did I say I had a hero at prisonplanet?

See here folks .... typical bushies tactic .... if the facts aren't on their side they make shit up.

You stated the law to attempt to show Pelosi was breaking the law .... you were wrong again .... but I'm not trying to change your views in any way .... just pointing out to the folks in our viewing audience you don't have the facts.:hippy:

:noel:

You mean this law that was stated in MANY different articles including the French paper I refered to:
18 U.S.C. § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

OF COURSE IT'S WRONG.....it doesn't line up with your left wing agenda. LOL

Have a good one!:s4:

[fishman3811]

What no WMDs really holy fuck and no conection to Al-Quada noooooooo