need a certified electrictian to check this

[wowdoughboy]

Hey guys im re wiring my flowering room to run on 1 circuit breaker. This is my plan can you make sure that i have everything right. Don't want to cause a fire :smokin:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7629/electircrc8.th.png (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=electircrc8.png)

[ToKAlot]

Its looks alright to me!!!!!

[bakedpotato]

No. You aren't even close. You'll start a fire or kill yourself.

I assume you have 240V ballasts for your lights. Buy some 120V ballasts. Use a power strip for distribution if you need more outlets. Don't do anything to your panel as there is no need. You should have NO problems running everything using an existing outlet and a power strip.

Serious, you aren't even close. IM me for a walkthrough or more explanation.

[ToKAlot]

Sry im a dumbass i shouldnt of even posted lol!!!

[TestPilot]

No offense intended, but based on your picture you have 2 options:

1. Hire an electrician to wire up your area _BEFORE_ starting anything.
2. Buy 120V equipment and make use of available outlets.

If you have to ask a question like this, you should NOT be attempting your own wiring. Are you familiar with the NEC and the requirements specific to your project? Did you account for a continuous load?

[trynagethigh]

If you dont know about electricity dont fool with it cause 240 volts is no punk. Are your lights 240 volts? Why are you using 240? It would be simpler to run (2) breakers of 20 amps (or more depending on your gauge of wire) each at 120v. One circuit will run the lights and the other for your other stuff. If you have something that needs 240v you will need to tie two legs of 120v power together to achieve the 240v. Im gonna take a stab at what you want to do here so correct me if im wrong. You want 240v but want to tap off it for 120v? Is this correct?If so I wouldnt advise it, it gets tricky if you dont know what your doing. Find a buddy who is an electrician if possible. Be careful and good luck.

[PharmaCan]

Wow - A lot of bad information here.

Probably the best advice here is to get an electrician to do this for you because, while you are on the right track, you show a basic lack of understanding of how electricity works. Here are a few facts to consider, and then perhaps you will see why it's best to get someone who knows what they are doing to help you with this project.

I won't insult your intelligence by asking why you want 240V outlets. If you want it, you want it and the only question is how to get it.

1) In the USA, 240V electricity is actually two, 120V lines, each from a different side of the phase. Connecting these two lines together doesn't give you 240V, it merely trips the circuit breaker. The two 120V lines are fed into an appliance as two distinct 120V lines.

2) The circuit breaker you are referring to may or may not work. Most likely it will, unless it's a slim-line breaker. Do you know how to tell the difference? It has to be a double breaker that connects to both of the bars in the panel.

3) Your drawing indicates haphazard connections. All Electrical connections are made inside a box, not just anywhere you please. Run all your wires, inside conduit, to the timer; use the timer as a junction box then run conduit to your other connections.

4) Your drawing lacks both neutral and ground wires. While a 240V appliance does not necessarily need a neutral wire, all 120V circuits need a neutral to function. Also, many 240V appliances have lower voltage circuitry inside that require a neutral wire. The ground wire is a safety feature.

This is really a very simple application if you know what you are doing. If you don't know what you are doing, you will waste a lot of time and money doing it wrong, then more time and money to have it done right.

[Tokudai]

Wow - A lot of bad information here.

Probably the best advice here is to get an electrician to do this for you because, while you are on the right track, you show a basic lack of understanding of how electricity works. Here are a few facts to consider, and then perhaps you will see why it's best to get someone who knows what they are doing to help you with this project.

I won't insult your intelligence by asking why you want 240V outlets. If you want it, you want it and the only question is how to get it.

1) In the USA, 240V electricity is actually two, 120V lines, each from a different side of the phase. Connecting these two lines together doesn't give you 240V, it merely trips the circuit breaker. The two 120V lines are fed into an appliance as two distinct 120V lines.

2) The circuit breaker you are referring to may or may not work. Most likely it will, unless it's a slim-line breaker. Do you know how to tell the difference? It has to be a double breaker that connects to both of the bars in the panel.

3) Your drawing indicates haphazard connections. All Electrical connections are made inside a box, not just anywhere you please. Run all your wires, inside conduit, to the timer; use the timer as a junction box then run conduit to your other connections.

4) Your drawing lacks both neutral and ground wires. While a 240V appliance does not necessarily need a neutral wire, all 120V circuits need a neutral to function. Also, many 240V appliances have lower voltage circuitry inside that require a neutral wire. The ground wire is a safety feature.

This is really a very simple application if you know what you are doing. If you don't know what you are doing, you will waste a lot of time and money doing it wrong, then more time and money to have it done right.

EXCELLENT post! As you said, all things considered, converting a 120V circuit to a 240V circuit is pretty simple when you know what you are doing

[PharmaCan]

EXCELLENT post! As you said, all things considered, converting a 120V circuit to a 240V circuit is pretty simple when you know what you are doing.

Tokudai - Now I really suggest that you get an electrician because what you wrote above is not what I said. No offense intended, but you seem to lack even the most basic understanding of electricity and circuitry - either that or you just have difficulty expressing yourself.

Originally you were talking about installing some new wires to accomplish a certain task, now you are talking about CONVERTING something??? This makes no sense whatsoever in the context of your original post and, anyway, "converting" things is how unknowledgeable people really fuck-up their wiring. If you add a new circuit for your project, about the worst thing that can happen is that it won't work or it blows the circuit breaker. However, if you go messing with existing circuitry, you're liable to cause a lot of damage to your home and everything electrical/electronic in it.

Get an electrician! You don't need a licensed contractor, any old wire puller can do this.

[oldsanclem]

from Canibis land, baja trucks
Sounds like U.S.A.
get a electrican , the life you save can be yours.
Ask for 2 20 amp feeders , hard wired for you new shop bench :<)
Theres a picture someplace on the boards that show a hand with 3 degree burns . Remember you only have 1/100 of a second before things turn to charcoal.
As with all things that have moisture use GFI recepticals. Pot ferts are nice and conductive, and so are humans.
Think Safety , the life you save may be you , or a friend.
OHMS law always wins, do it with out shorts

[Tokudai]

Tokudai - Now I really suggest that you get an electrician because what you wrote above is not what I said. No offense intended, but you seem to lack even the most basic understanding of electricity and circuitry - either that or you just have difficulty expressing yourself.

Originally you were talking about installing some new wires to accomplish a certain task, now you are talking about CONVERTING something??? This makes no sense whatsoever in the context of your original post and, anyway, "converting" things is how unknowledgeable people really fuck-up their wiring. If you add a new circuit for your project, about the worst thing that can happen is that it won't work or it blows the circuit breaker. However, if you go messing with existing circuitry, you're liable to cause a lot of damage to your home and everything electrical/electronic in it.

Get an electrician! You don't need a licensed contractor, any old wire puller can do this.


Well, I'm not the original poster, (maybe you saw Tokudai vs Tokalot?) but I must have misread the OP - It seemed like he was trying to convert a 110 circuit into a 220 circuit - or vice versa - which is SIMPLE if you know what you are doing. And then I posted kudos to you for explaining it so well. But thanks for the heads up!

So I agree with you - if you don't know what you are doing - get an electrician =D

[Solosan]

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[PharmaCan]

Well, I'm not the original poster, (maybe you saw Tokudai vs Tokalot?) but I must have misread the OP - It seemed like he was trying to convert a 110 circuit into a 220 circuit - or vice versa - which is SIMPLE if you know what you are doing. And then I posted kudos to you for explaining it so well. But thanks for the heads up!

So I agree with you - if you don't know what you are doing - get an electrician =D

Tokadai - Sorry - I guess I was token too much and getting the Tok's confused. LOL

Maybe we are saying the same thing in different ways. In the US, you wouldn't, technically, "convert" a 240V circuit to 120V because a 240V circuit is, in fact, two 120V lines. So, there's no need to convert anything - you merely have to "isolate" one of the 120V lines, preferably in a sub-panel of some sort.

[Tokudai]

Tokadai - Sorry - I guess I was token too much and getting the Tok's confused. LOL

Maybe we are saying the same thing in different ways. In the US, you wouldn't, technically, "convert" a 240V circuit to 120V because a 240V circuit is, in fact, two 120V lines. So, there's no need to convert anything - you merely have to "isolate" one of the 120V lines, preferably in a sub-panel of some sort.

Yep - you said it a lot more eloquently than I can muster up. And change the breaker and the plug socket - only the wiring remain minus the hot you abandon - so thats why I used the word "convert". It's easier to split a 240 than combine 110's, since chances are the 110 existing circuit won't be have the extra hot - so you get to pull wire (always fun) - especially when you cant pull with the exisiting Romex due to staples.

Looking at his diagram again, it appears he wants to run a 110 outlet off one leg of the 240 circuit, which is bad medicine, and will likely overload that leg of the breaker when the 240V comes online at best case, worst case burn everything down around it.....

[Dnutz]

yo im a licensed electrician, and in my opinion i would either 1.hire a certified Journeyman electrician or higher rank 2. do what was said above and use the existing outlets and plug an anti surge powerstrip in. deffinetely dont mess with your panel and try to run your own wires if you are not sure what you are doing. if you are using 240V you have to get a small transformer to reduce the current to 120V. Thats what i would do if it was my situation...