Tell this guy all about it

[mattks1]

just found this lookin around. i guess its a forum for people trying to kick the habit. i thought about putting my two cents in but thought id just share it.
Marijuana Addiction - SoberRecovery : Alcoholism Drug Addiction Help and Information (http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/newcomers-recovery/120177-marijuana-addiction.html#post1277240)

[MotleyCrueBoy24]

Ugh...I get really irritated reading that shit.

[mattks1]

i just started laughin. and then i shook my head in disgust.

[DR_CANNABIS]

ha ha, losers blaming their problems on weed... dont you just hate them

[B.Basher]

Laugh all you want while your young and invincible. You could be in that same situation one day.

As if it's disgusting to seek help. What a stupid thing to say.

[GreenLadyOfDankDowns]

Marijuana is a mood enhancing substance. If your life is shit to begin with all you're going to get is enhanced shit. You have to be accountable for your life and actions. When people blame marijuana for their problems they may as well hang a sign around their necks that reads "Hi! I'm such a delusional loser in denial that I have to blame all my problems on a plant!" Life is what you make it, but if a person isn't willing to work towards their goals they will never go anywhere. Weed should enhance your life, not be your life.

[B.Basher]

Weed should enhance your life, not be your life.

Unfortunately it has that effect on some people. Weed runs half the lives of most people on this site. If your waking up in the morning and your first thought is to toke, yes, that is called an addiction.

I'm interested as to whether you'd apply the same perspective to other drugs. This guy is an alcoholic. Aaah, stop blaming alcohol, your just lazy and insecure. This guy loves coke. Leave coke alone, it was his decision.

If your in denial that weed can cause harm to you, then you won't get far in life. It's a little thing called responsibility. I seriously doubt that the best advice you could give this guy in the linked forum is "relax and smoke another joint". The first thing i'd tell him is stop smoking it if he knows it's screwing him. It's a very narrow minded mentality to look down on those that admit they have a problem as 'losers'. Start by thanking your lucky stars weed does not have that effect on you. Is weed the safest substance on earth? If you can logically say 'no', then that proves my point.

I don't deem this standpoint as offensive or out of the question. If anything it's something everyone on this site should be thinking about. I still love it, but this past month has shown me the ugly side of marijuana use and has definitely made me take a step back. I would advise you to do the same if you ever feel the negative effects we are all aware of.

In the meantime, keep toking and don't be a dopehead :thumbsup:

[GreenLadyOfDankDowns]

B. Basher,
I understand what you're talking about but I just don't rate mj use in the same category as alcohol or cocaine dependency. Those are substances that cause actual physical addiction. If a person says they are addicted to mj it isn't the same. It's a mental dependency, a crutch. When you are dealing with that sort of scenario I think the major change has to come in your way of thinking. I would never tell someone who believed they were addicted to weed to "relax and smoke another joint." I would tell them that they need to walk away from smoking until they can get a better perspective on their situation. That includes admitting that they are screwing up their life. Weed isn't the cause. It may be a contributing factor, but the main problem is their state of mind. No weed isn't completely harmless, I never said it was. However, I do believe that it is far less dangerous than alcohol, cocaine, and even cigarettes. As for the loser remark, true it sounds harsh and may be out of line, but it's my opinion that a person who refuses to take responsibility for their actions is a loser. How do they lose that stigma? By taking control of their life. Just my opinion on the subject. I'm not the brightest person in the world, nor an expert when it comes to chemical dependency. I'm an average person, and a smoker. I love the people of the community, but have little patience for people saying they have a cannabis addiction. I'm sorry if my opinion offends anyone.

[Dest]

ok that guy cant spell quit right or use any proper grammer whatsoever yet he says he had a 80k yearly salary?

[B.Basher]

Greenlady: Cool cool. Thanks for your sensible reply.

To be honest with you mate, I would have agreed with you not three weeks ago, but my weed toking days have changed. I really don't see the difference between a psychological dependancy and an addiction. One is a description of the other. I used to believe weed wasn't addictive, but now I find myself thinking about a toke first before most things, and I know i'm not the only one. What do you call that? I don't lead a screwed up life and am otherwise marginally sensible, but I can be a paranoid fuck, and it can hurt those closest to me. That's the weed man.
Your right, weed isn't the same as coke or alcohol, but it's still a harmful substance and needs careful consideration from the user. Just like your sig says, take it easy, and toke it slow. Unfortunately not a lot of people do, and it's this "safest drug in the world" mentality (not from you) that contributes to such problems. Like you say "It may be a contributing factor, but the main problem is their state of mind", therefore, that person is better off without the stuff in the first place.

Lol, i've made a serious Uturn. I hope the leet kiddies don't come down on me :D .

Cheers

PS: Your smart enough dude. More so than most.

[mattks1]

like ive heard it said, maybe by Jesus, "it is not what man puts in his mouth, but what comes out of mans mouth". after all rhetoric and debate is over with, it is ultimately up to you and your brain on how you make it in life. i feel strongly that marijuana will not ruin a life and also feel strongly that alcohol can and will continue to. do not call marijuana harmful unless you can back it up either. just because you slowed you roll on the toke doesnt mean you are now able to verify you supposed facts. anyways, if that guy was makin 80k a year it would take more than some weed to fuck that up.

[GreenLadyOfDankDowns]

Not at all B. I don't mind a decent debate. That's a big problem on message boards though, people get into a debate that escalates into an all out fight and get their feelings hurt. I'm more for agreeing to disagree and then moving on. I hate fighting. Ask.com says that:

Addiction is a dependence on a behavior or sub-stance that a person is powerless to stop. The term has been partially replaced by the word dependence for substance abuse. Addiction has been extended, however, to include mood-altering behaviors or activities. Some researchers speak of two types of addictions: substance addictions (for example, alcoholism, drug abuse, and smoking); and process addictions (for example, gambling, spending, shopping, eating, and sexual activity). There is a growing recognition that many addicts, such as polydrug abusers, are addicted to more than one sub-stance or process.

I guess my whole stance comes from believing that a person has complete power over their actions and that becoming psychologically dependent on anything is a form of mental weakness that can only be rectified by reclaiming your personal responsibility. Oh well, everyone probably has a different take on this subject. I definitely don't want to get into a complete circular argument as they are useless.

[Maverick15963]

"its time to hit a meeting and get rolling!"

Wow...

[B.Basher]

do not call marijuana harmful unless you can back it up either. just because you slowed you roll on the toke doesnt mean you are now able to verify you supposed facts.

Your the perfect example of the kind of person your trying to put down. If I put any number of marijuana sites on here that list its negative effects, you'd use the classic 'government lies' excuse. No, no, your exactly right. Marijuana is the only drug that has 100% positive effects on your brain. That means you should smoke at least 12 joints a day. Trust me, you'll feel GREAT.

Do a little research and do it soon. I wouldn't want you blaming anything else for those paranoid thoughts. This is the most balanced mainstream marijuana fact site I have found: Know Cannabis (http://www.knowcannabis.org.uk/) . Most others are heavily biased one way or the other.


it is ultimately up to you and your brain on how you make it in life.
I agree with this, but it doesn't disprove anything. A true marijuana addict will swing in and out of sensibility like a pendulum. Ever met any? Of course not, you don't believe in them.

[B.Basher]

I figured you'd want scientific studies as opposed to that site, which on second glance, while fairely balanced, doesn't citate it's sources very well:
Tests of causal linkages between cannabis use and psychotic symptoms. (http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/addi/abstract.00008514-200503000-00017.htm;jsessionid=GJSJsb7LjMhYB0TlNZjBfTy3KVD2q 8gyLY0TTGzMVny28kb8511G!1973673025!-949856144!8091!-1)
Relationship between Cannabis Use, Schizotypal Traits, and Cognitive Function in Healthy Subjects (http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowPDF&ArtikelNr=49309&ProduktNr=224276&Ausgabe=227643&filename=49309.pdf)
(I particularly like the quote "cannabis use may be a vulnerability indicator for schizophrenia.")
Cannabis and the brain (http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/126/6/1252)
Cannabis or health (http://www.co-psychiatry.com/pt/re/copsych/abstract.00001504-200205000-00004.htm;jsessionid=GJTMdkGsntlqVh3CTqzxJ1Cyct1TQ Qhdd3vRvqYLdJN9GtzpspZb!302003643!-949856145!8091!-1)

You'll notice not all those links are bad. I'm not trying to scare you or anyone away from smoking up, but until you witness someone go downhill under the blatant strain of smoking way, way too much, then you really don't know the risk without looking it up yourself. No drug is without it's dangers, and it hurts no-one to aknowledge the fact.
:thumbsup: (apologies if my other post sounded a little out of line)

[Reefer Rogue]

The fact is, I can smoke cannabis everyday of my life and be perfectly fine. The same can not be said for alcohol, tobacoo, cocaine, heroine blah blah.

When one excepts ganja, they except Jah. Rastafari! :rasta:

[B.Basher]

I guess my whole stance comes from believing that a person has complete power over their actions and that becoming psychologically dependent on anything is a form of mental weakness that can only be rectified by reclaiming your personal responsibility.

Forgot to mention this is a wicked sentence. I whole heartedly agree, but disagree that it is only the individual that is to blame. :thumbsup:

[LIP]

Unfortunately it has that effect on some people. Weed runs half the lives of most people on this site. If your waking up in the morning and your first thought is to toke, yes, that is called an addiction.

I'm interested as to whether you'd apply the same perspective to other drugs. This guy is an alcoholic. Aaah, stop blaming alcohol, your just lazy and insecure. This guy loves coke. Leave coke alone, it was his decision.

If your in denial that weed can cause harm to you, then you won't get far in life. It's a little thing called responsibility. I seriously doubt that the best advice you could give this guy in the linked forum is "relax and smoke another joint". The first thing i'd tell him is stop smoking it if he knows it's screwing him. It's a very narrow minded mentality to look down on those that admit they have a problem as 'losers'. Start by thanking your lucky stars weed does not have that effect on you. Is weed the safest substance on earth? If you can logically say 'no', then that proves my point.

I don't deem this standpoint as offensive or out of the question. If anything it's something everyone on this site should be thinking about. I still love it, but this past month has shown me the ugly side of marijuana use and has definitely made me take a step back. I would advise you to do the same if you ever feel the negative effects we are all aware of.

In the meantime, keep toking and don't be a dopehead :thumbsup:



That's not true. I wake up in the morning and light up a joint, but i dont feel i HAVE too. I dont HAVE too. I choose to as it helps with my ailments. But that doesnt mean im addicted.

You can smoke as much as you like, but it doesnt mean your addicted. It's only a problem when it controls you, but if you can control it, it's not a problem.

I pay the bills, tax, insurance and everything else i need to live comfortably before i buy weed. Weed comes last.

Anyway, i dont belive weed is addictive at all. I'll accept habbit forming, but not addictive.

It's not hard to quit weed, anyone can do it, no matter how much they think they need it. It's just another excuse, like saying weed makes people lazy - it doesnt. It doesnt strip them of all their energy, they just cant be bothered to use their energy.

They're not addicted, they're just idiots using it as an excuse, and making it out to be bad, when it's done nothing wrong.

[LIP]

The fact is, I can smoke cannabis everyday of my life and be perfectly fine. The same can not be said for alcohol, tobacoo, cocaine, heroine blah blah.

When one excepts ganja, they except Jah. Rastafari! :rasta:

Ever living, ever faithful, RastafarI

[mattks1]

i didnt bother to read your facts, since you even said the sources didnt pan out. i was laying in bed this morning after smoking and i got a call from my gf about a job offer from her boss. weed only makes things better.

[B.Basher]

like saying weed makes people lazy - it doesnt. It doesnt strip them of all their energy, they just cant be bothered to use their energy...

... because they're brain is too blitzed from constant bunnage. If it's not laziness, it's something else very similar :wtf: .

I agree with what your saying, but as I already said, it's something that can be applied to most substances. I'm not a violent person when I drink, but it's a known fact alcohol can make people violent. You and I arn't necessarily lazy people when we toke, but I know a few people that just wanna toke and toke and toke and think of nothing else, no matter how bad their position. The simple fact being, they wouldn't be that way without marijuana.

I toke hard hard hard myself, or at least have been up to now, and I get all my work done. Being a musician, I get my work done BETTER when i'm stoned :jointsmile: . Naturally, I can't really argue against marijuana from this personal standpoint, but I still feel the negative effects from constant daily use, as i'm sure you have at least once, being a proud veteran smoker and all.

We all know the bad effects are there, so whos to say they don't affect some worse than others? Not that it's entirely MJ's fault, but it's evidence of the danger. Like I said, a simple aknowledgment doesn't hurt anyone, least of all yourself.

[B.Basher]

"i didnt bother to read your facts, since you even said the sources didnt pan out"

Either smoking has made you less intelligent, or your just that way to begin with. Read the post again, then get back to me.

[mattks1]

i do personal research everyday about the drug war and everything that has to do with it. i have no need to look at info that when presented to me, has to have a disclaimer for not citing sources. how bout you judge my intelligence when you know a little bit more about me. youre gonna get to some ppl when you are on a cannabis board talking about how it fucks you up. this is a pro cannabis board. maybe you should join that forum so you can fill other ppl's heads with ideas to cover up their shortcomings, but its not gonna work on me.

[B.Basher]

I figured the rest of us were having a realistic debate on a subject that perhaps isn't discussed enough on a "pro cannabis" forum. Don't bother coming back if it's beneath you.

[LIP]

I just read some of the previous posts, and i see the word Marijuana popping up alot.

Can we not use it? Because it was used by a racist american Government i dont think it should be used in the cannabis culture - i know it's not concidered racist today, but the fact of the matter is it's roots are and i dont like it.

Just a suggestion.

[mattks1]

I figured the rest of us were having a realistic debate on a subject that perhaps isn't discussed enough on a "pro cannabis" forum. Don't bother coming back if it's beneath you.

THIS IS MY THREAD DOUCHEBAG!

[B.Basher]

And yet your unwilling to consider various viewpoints on the subject?

I'm not gonna get into a flaming war, if you refuse to debate my view intelligently then just leave it alone. If I realised you only start threads so people can agree with you then I would've stayed well clear. My mistake.

If there's any chance of starting over, the lack of sources I mentioned was in regard to the first link about weed info (that I deemed to be fairly accurate either way). Therefore, to compensate, I dug up a few links to real scientific studies, complete with citations, that I thought you might find interesting or at least informative. Maybe you've already read them all, I dunno.

To explain myself for you and anyone else that thinks i'm out of line on such a forum, I still love weed. Matter of fact my folks just left for a 4 day holiday and i'm skinning up between posts. I've just had a pretty ugly month when it comes to weed this past four weeks and felt obliged to share my opinion. You don't have to agree but at least be civil about it.

Apologies for winding you up.

[mattks1]

theres nothing to be civil about. i have read both sides of the story, and i continue to believe that "cannabis" (better LIP?) does not contribute to the downfall of anyones life. i believe that i can be used by anti-cannabis activists as a crutch for explaining this. i do consider your viewpoints on this, but they do not agree with my beliefs. i feel that if someone has ruined their life and wants to blame it on cannabis then that is fine. i just feel that one should look at their entire life before blaming it on that. i know many many people that smoke everyday like myself and continue to be productive. on the other hand, i know not one person that can actually say their life is in shambles because of cannabis. if someone is looking for an easy explanation, then why not blame it on what the gov't deems illegal? if someone allows this plant to ruin their life, then they need to get their priorities straight before dabbling in a mood enhancing drug.

[lazy smoker7]

lol he was smoking 2 8ths a week.... I usually smoke and 8th every day :p . He also called it an addictive substance ... well ya it is but he has to consider every substance is an addictive substance...... and oh jesus they were talking about na and aa... fuck that shit... but still he was in fact blaming weed because he is just a lazy fucker (hehe so am I but I am motivated also) and quit his job etc... and decides to blame it on weed ....