Chemicals and Processes

[santa]

Has anyone ever had that really strong overwhelming feeling when stoned.. hmm.. ima try to explain..

It's like.. instead of looking at something in the same room as you.. it feels like you are looking 'at' looking at it.. looking at the ..er.. energy? of looking at it? And then it sorta spreads to other things.. so instead of thinking.. its almost like you think about thinking...

Then somewhere along the way you start to pick apart what you know as real.. its so hard to put into words.. but you realise that all you are is just a bundle of thought processes and reactions and organisms.. you start to become aware of your reflexes and what they are there for.. and basically that you are just an animal that functions on a framework of body and thought and enzymes.. chemicals.. reflexes.. just another link in an energy chain...

its quite depressing and belittling.. but you always have the choice to snap out and think 'normal' again.. kinda like a little escape door..

hope that made some trace of sense..

but.. yeah.. has anyone else ever felt it?

peace :stoned:

[mrdevious]

Sounds like you're learning to step outside the self and observe the ego. Cannabis has a tendency to do this... well not this specifically, but to make one analyse themselves and the little things we don't normally notice. This state of mind creates what's called "ego dissolution", and can be downright traumatic for some people. Ego dissolution disolves your sense of "self" and makes you see yourself for the collection of independant and yet codependant impermanent processes that it really are you.

If you really want to get control of this and find benefits rather than fear, I would advise you to practice some meditation and learn how to observe the mind in perfect stillness. The terror brought about by ego disollution, especially from stronger entheogens/hallucinogens, occures when a mind is undeveloped in the sense of understanding it's self beyond a state that is separate from the world and solidified in illusionary permanence. When one cannot acknowledge the impermant mind and illusion of self, being torn away from the self has more potential for terror than anything else.

I hope this helps you.






P.S. Can I have a 512mb video card for Christmas? ;)

[smoke it]

this has never happened to me when im high, but it happens a lot when im sober.

[187]

i wonder how thinking would be if we didn't have a language. that probably sounds stupid.

[mrdevious]

i wonder how thinking would be if we didn't have a language. that probably sounds stupid.

No, that's not stupid, it's one of those little questions we think up while high that analyse's the smaller but still important aspects of life.
Anywhoo, I'd say we would be thinking like animals, who don't use a verbal form of communication either (for the most part). I think that may be part of the reason that we have that special quallity apart from animals; that is, we ask questions. Language has enabled us to express and share ideas in a far more complex manner than animal communication, allowing advanced and abstract concepts to form, eventually into brilliant ideas like agriculture, writing, and eventually civilization.


ooooh, that reminds me, I have a civ 3 game to start! I'm the spartans (my king's name is Leonidas lol) and those damn Japanese are starting to settle on my land! So I imagine war is innevitable, I mean I can't just let them settle on Greek land, they have all of East Asia to settle on for fuck sake!!!

sorry I'm just incredibly stoned, so I'm gonna have some fun...:D

[Coelho]

i wonder how thinking would be if we didn't have a language. that probably sounds stupid.

well... the KEY for percieving the world in ways different from our common vision is just stopping the internal dialogue. All the time, we are talking with ourselves. We talk to us that the world is so and so, we listen to ourselves, and believe what we listen, so we see the world as being so and so. When, by any means (smoking, meditating, etc) we can stop this internal dialogue, our minds become free of the conditioning of thinking only about words, only about things described by words, and can percieve the world as it really is.
The loss of the ego is intimately linked to stopping the internal dialogue. I dont know exactly how. I think it is because we talk to our ego, so when we stop this internal dialogue, we stop to feed our ego with informations, so it become inactive. I dont know if it is really what happens, its just what i think.
And the perception of the world during ego-less states can be frightening... at least the first times... i felt this during my experiences with weed+butane... it was very scary... now im somewhat more used to it... but still its very weird... :abduct: