found in back yard, moved into closet

[Elim420]

hello this is my first attempt at inside growing.
i found this plant in my back yard, and it had 4 nodes already grown, its started on the 5th one. its been in my closet for about a week and at first i put it on 12/12 since thurs. and today im tryin to move it to 18/6
i got the ratio backwards n started the plant with 18 hours of dark!!
so i turned it back on around 1 today and im going to turn it off around 11
and turn it back on aroun 530 am when i go to work. i hope this doesnt screw it up n turn it into a hermi!!!!! and help would b great!\
i got a 20w light fixture. i couldnt find a 400w or any higher than 32w!!
is this fine or should i get more lights?
i got pics but they arnt that great.... ill try 2 get a better camera..

[stinkyattic]

Problems:
-Pot too deep. Air flow around base of plant and at soil surface will be restricted. Low branches will suffocate. You have to plant the plant so that the soil surface is near the rim of the pot.
-Backyard dirt... not good... you need REAL potting soil indoors, with perlite.
-Yes you need more lights.
-TIMER!!! Just turning lights on and off by hand is guaranteed herms. You WILL forget.
-Why did you bring it inside? It looks like it was growing fine! I'd stick it back outdoors in a better location with some rich compost worked into the soil.

[Elim420]

yea i would LOVE to keep it out side but my dad doesnt want it outside so i gotta bring it in. when i found it it was dug out of the ground some how. so i just put it in soil real quick n baught the best light i thought would work.
whats a good soil i should buy thats already mixxed up with perlite and stuff?
thanks for the help

[Elim420]

theres also 6 other plants that are grown outside, my dad threatens to kill them if i dont get em out of the yard.

[Elim420]

is there an easy and safe way to take the plant out set it in somethin and brush off all the bad dirt fill the pot up with potting soil and then place the plant back in the pot? or do i gotta keep the old dirt with it so idont damage it.

[Gatekeeper777]

just put it on 18/6 asap.
get a timer
youw ill need more light IMO

[Elim420]

im goin 2 the store once my friend gets off work. what lights should i buy\
and what soil should i buy

[Scarlet Sky]

get a starter soil, and some cfl's, no smaller than 23w, the bigger the better...

[Elim420]

any prefference for a timer??

[Scarlet Sky]

three prong, one with a ground.

[MrGreenFingaz]

i'd go to home depot, you will need:
-Cfl's(i get them from walmart)

go to electrical/lighting section and get:
-socket(i like the rubber ones with wires sticking out, not screw terminals..)
-Cord (ask for best to use with plug)
-Plug (only need 2 prong)
-the plastic caps to connect the wires together (forget what theyre called)
-electrical tape.

Then go to the plumbing/pipe section and get:
-metal pipe strapping

After, get:
-a plank of wood (doesnt have to be too big, i like 1x4)
-wood screws (the kind that are threaded to the head)

Youll also need:
Drill (to make holes for screws)
something to cut the metal strapping

okay i just held shift for * seconds on my keyboard now its permanentely activated so no more periods or any of that or deleting my mistakes>>ill finish this later pissin me off

[Elim420]

all right i havent had the time to come here and post an update so here it is.

i went to walmart baught 3 sockets, 3 extention cords 3 26w cfl's
and i went up to home depot for a timer.
I LOVE THE TIMER!!!!

is there any organic ferts i can give it at this time?
tell me whats up if this is a good set up or not.
thanks for all the help.

i also got some potting soil and re-potted it.

[orangeman]

Plants lookin good! :D

[Elim420]

aright, its been 2 weeks in my room. keep in mind that it was growin out side for an unkown time.
heres some pics for a lil update.
any advise on ferts?

[Scarlet Sky]

you need some water

[Elim420]

i keep the water meter around moist at 6-7? you thinnk so?
is that y the leaves are droopy?
or the purple in the stems?

[Scarlet Sky]

no, im eying your dirt.

it should never get bone dry. you plants will begin to wilt, then go downhill fast.
bets to let the soil dry to slightly moist, then water, imo

and get the lights closer if you can, within 6 inches

[Elim420]

ok thanks, heres the soil i got

[Elim420]

at this time i have the lights 2-4 inches away

[Elim420]

my leaves are pretty droopy. any ideas y? i got it watered pretty good.
is there nutes i can give it? or should i not put anything in it?

[stinkyattic]

It's still MUCH too deep in the pot and that can contribute to that dieoff of lower leaves you are seeing.
Also when you brought it indoors, you may have brought pests with it, so check for signs of bug damage, especially low on the plant.
After a good watering it should start to perk up withing 15 minutes.
Have you fed it at all yet? The yellowing says Nitrogen deficiency to me.

[Elim420]

i havent given it anything but water and light. idk what to give it and how much.
right now the light is off, wont be on till 1. will the light help it perk up?
i gave it a good water, on the water meter it says 9 wet.

[stinkyattic]

You need to train yourself away from relying on water meters.
Learn to feel how heavy the pot is when the soil is moist compared to how it was dry. Get used to picking it up every time you go to check on your plant.
For food, since you are vegging you need a fertilizer that has more N (first # on the label) than anything else, and it also has to have micronutrients.
GET IT UP TO THE RIM OF THE POT!!!! The surface of your soil is still a good couple inches too low.

[Elim420]

yeah id do that right now but, i got no ride. so i called my mom and told her to get some soil on the way home from work 2day, which will be around 630. i guess ill have to go to lowes or homedepot and look at the fertz.
i hate havin to take the plant out of the pot but, im goin to have to.

[faithlessxxx]

i keep the water meter around moist at 6-7? you thinnk so?
is that y the leaves are droopy?
or the purple in the stems?

When theres too little water left, the leaves will droop.
Purple stems often indicate that they're starving for nutes, in this case its a very likely indicator.
Start giving them small amounts of nutes and increasing them over a few weeks.

[stinkyattic]

i called my mom and told her to get some soil on the way home from work 2day,
.awww give your mom a big hug for me for being helpful!!

[Elim420]

ok once i start to give it some nutes, will i have to flush it out?

[Elim420]

AHHHH i dont kno why the top leaves are so droopy!! its watered pretty good and thats all i can do to it for now....
help plzz!!!

[Elim420]

i just baught a 400w HPS light, and idk where to get a light fixture for this.
can anyone help?

[Elim420]

how can you tell when the plant is ready to flower? or does that just determine when you change to 12/12?
is anyone still reading? i feel abandoned!! i know ima noob but hey cut me some slack please.

also this one leaf is kinda turnin yellow and on the middle finger at the tip its brown n curled a lil. but its been like that since i braught it in, except it wassnt as bad. kno why its like that? or should i not worry bout it

[Elim420]

whats up everyone, its been a while cause ive been reallly busy. but the plant is doin ok i believe. i gave it more soil and got 100w floros, its about a foot tall now. all ive been givin it still is some H20. wut yall think

[Elim420]

hey guys

today i put her outside for 2 hours in the sun. she has grown an inch and a half since yesterday. i took needle nose plyers and clamped down on a side sprout. i got a stick holdin it up, i heard it would make it make more sprouts on that limb. idk if i even did it right. anyway tell me how im doin!!!!! talk people talk :jointsmile:

[Elim420]

if i lst these 2 limbs, will it grow more bud spots on the side?
i was readin up on atsar's grow and he was lsting his plants
what do you guys think?

[Elim420]

come on guys show some love give ur opinions it would be very helpfull.

[faithlessxxx]

Really, you should repot her properly, do you have drainage from that pot? The earth looks compact and not very irrigated.
Clamping branches doesnt sound too good if shes already frail and she looks a little frail.

Stick her under the 400w light, a yard at first then bring closer once she starts thriving.

[Elim420]

i took back the 400w light cause i didnt have a saucet for it and it was also 21 dollars. so i took it bac for 4 100w cfls.... the dirt isnt that compact . but i can resoil it im just afraid of brakin off roots. should i pull away my lights from my plant??

[Elim420]

ok i moved away my lights. you think this is ok?

[faithlessxxx]

so i took it bac for 4 100w cfls

Does it say "the equivalent of 100w" or is it really 23W? The lowest number is what people go by, not the "equivalent".

Repotting is easy. Just let the dirt dry out and then gently palm the bottom of the plant where it meets the soil, and turn sideways/upsidedown, perhaps knocking gently to help it out.
Just be gentle and careful, no probs, my plants always shoot off when I repot them.

[Elim420]

ok ill try repotting once it gets dry, but its been wet for a few days with out watering at the bottom.

[Elim420]

on the very end of some leaves, its turnin yellow and some is crispy, are my lights to close?


BTW latewood, can u do me a favor and transfer this thread over to the grow log thread. thanks in advance.

[aheadatime]

hmm elim, your plant is a bit thinned and looks like it needs either a few more 100 watts or a diff light fixture. hps work the best but mh are good for vegging. on a better note, looks like you got yourself a sativa =] and yes, it looks as if your soil is either to compact or your overwatering a teency bit. dont use ferts until you start12/12. in the meantime, up the wattage on the lighting. as for lsting, tie down your center cola gently to make the other 2/3 bloom. this will create more colas during 12/12 and ultimately, a higher yeild. just gently tie some soft hemp string (that faithless recommended) to the plant in between the first and second set of leaves. then tie taht string to a screw sticking out of your pot. if you dont have a screw there, just screw one in lol hey, itd help drain your soil a bit =P

[Elim420]

ok i got 2 26w cfls, and 4 23w equivalent to 100w cfls, should i go buy more of those 23w, r they better than the 26w?

im waitin on the bottom of the soil to dry out more then im going to repot it.

i have the plant out side 2day its been out there for an hour, hopefully it will dry up the dirt more too.

i cant wait to start flowering, i think im gonna do that in a month. maybe 2...
i dont want it to stink to bad cause my dad cant find out.

[Elim420]

hps work the best but mh are good for vegging.

what is mh?

[aheadatime]

metal halide, theyre on the red spectrum i believe which is good for vegging while HPS is strongly on the blue, which is good for budding. it could be other way around, but know HPS is good for buds while MH is good for veg. you should really consider LSTing your plants, or tying them down to make the other colas stand out more. your plant looks to skinny and to focused on its main cola.

[Elim420]

how can i make the plant thicker in the stem?

i also dont got that much money so im tryin to go cheap, r mh's expensive? and can they go into a regular outlet? idk where to find bigger outlets for like the hps light.

[aheadatime]

insidesun.com has a 120 dollar complete HPS set. and to make the stem thicker have a fan blowing directly at the plant, itll genetically thicken up a bit to get used to the wind. also, wait about a week or so and start LSTing. LSTing is when you tie down your main cola. for now, the fan should thicken it up a bit tho. i strongly suggest going back to hps and put a fan in there. itll cool down the room and make your plant thicker.

[Elim420]

i have a fan on it for 18 hours of the day..............
and imma go to home depot or somethin like that for my lights, i dont need a kit.

[PharmaCan]

Get more lights!!!

Get the screw-in socket doubler (I don't know what they're called - they're a male socket on one end and double female socket on the other, so you can put two bulbs into one socket.) If you can afford a cord and socket, that would be better than a doubler. But get whatever you can right away, then get more of the "cool" - "daylight" - approx. 6,000k - bulbs and start giving some light to that girl. Get the highest wattage bulds you can find. Move your lights closer to your plant. The lights should be as close as you can get them without damaging the plant. Like 2" - 3".

[Elim420]

Get more lights!!!

Get the screw-in socket doubler (I don't know what they're called - they're a male socket on one end and double female socket on the other, so you can put two bulbs into one socket.) If you can afford a cord and socket, that would be better than a doubler. But get whatever you can right away, then get more of the "cool" - "daylight" - approx. 6,000k - bulbs and start giving some light to that girl. Get the highest wattage bulds you can find. Move your lights closer to your plant. The lights should be as close as you can get them without damaging the plant. Like 2" - 3".

ok imma go buy some lights, buut i cant afford the 6000k bulbs, im tryin to buy cheap cheap cheap cheap, theres a 150w flood light for 7 dollars,
can i use thses? i was told that u can grow with them, im just maken sure,
btw yesterday i baught a MH 175w, and when i screwed it in it wouldnt turn on AT ALL.
i can afford other saucets and cords, shit they only 1.50 up at walmart a peice

[Earthy Dank]

You have to get a ballast to run that matel halide and the only other lights other than metal halides(MH) and high pressure sodiums(HPS) are compact Fluescent lamps (CFL). CFLs are the swirlly lights and you'll need the highest wattage ones you can get. Get the 5900k(blue) ones and a couple of the 2900K(yellow-orange) ones. Get

[PharmaCan]

Truly, you need to go to the sections of this forum called "FAQ" and "Basic Growing" and start reading and studying what is written there 'cuz you haven't got a clue about what is needed.

[aheadatime]

lol dude, if you throw our advice out the window saying you dont have the money, than what the hell kinda advice do you want? "get a job"? i mean cmon, to grow you need good equipment which costs money. a 400 watt hps system with ballast included is about 130 on sale, so without that kinda money your not gonna get full wattage. good luck with the cfl growing but it wont make the branches as compact as if you knew how to LST while using a proper hps system. sry man, its gonna start skimpy and end skimpy unless you invest. good luck though, hope you get a few g's off it =]

[Elim420]

lol dude, if you throw our advice out the window saying you dont have the money, than what the hell kinda advice do you want? "get a job"? i mean cmon, to grow you need good equipment which costs money. a 400 watt hps system with ballast included is about 130 on sale, so without that kinda money your not gonna get full wattage. good luck with the cfl growing but it wont make the branches as compact as if you knew how to LST while using a proper hps system. sry man, its gonna start skimpy and end skimpy unless you invest. good luck though, hope you get a few g's off it =]

ok listen here, i got more money in my room than u have in ur bank and wallet put 2gether, AND i got a great payin job, soo before u run ur stupid bitchy lil mouth make sure u kno wut ur talkin bout.

[PharmaCan]

ok listen here, i got more money in my room than u have in ur bank and wallet put 2gether, AND i got a great payin job, soo before u run ur stupid bitchy lil mouth make sure u kno wut ur talkin bout.

LOL - aheadatime was a troll and got banned for putting up too much crap like this. His last post here was particularly funny because on another thread he was begging for advice and talking about his $200 budget.

Anyway, did you read up on lights in FAQ and lighting sections? The lights you want are anywhere from $8 each to two for $8.50 at Walmart. Home Depot and Lowe's. But you want to be sure to get the right spectrum of light, and that's what you didn't seem to understand before. A 6000k bulb doesn't cost any more than a 3,000k bulb - they just have different light spectrum output. Now as the watts go up, so does the price. For the cfl's that are available in Walmart, etc. the cost is insignificant, so buy the brightest you can find in the light spectrum you want and every time you have an extra ten bucks go buy another light. When you have 16,000 lumens total you might get the plant to properly.

You will want the 40 watt warm bulbs ($8.50) for flowering, so keep buying bulbs every time you have a spare $10 and pretty soon you should have five or six 40 watt cfls and if you add those to your cool whites you'd have about 32,000 lumens and that should flower one plant - ya'd think.

Always pay attention to the real watts on the cfls, not the equivelant watts.

Elim, my last post might have sounded a little bit pissy, particularly after jerk-off followed with his nonsense, but it wasn't meant to be. The FAQ and basic growing sections on this forum have a lot of good information for us noobs, and I sincerely felt you needed a better understanding of light because you weren't understanding what was being said to you.

Anyway - it was meant to be friendly advice and I hope you took it that way. I hope the above helps you out a little more.

[colorockman]

don't know if you got your ferts yet, but if your growing in soil then use fish emultion. you can get it from home depot... great for the plants and it's all organic... and you can also get some shop lite holders at home depot the have the metal 9" round shield on them they work great with CFL's... but you should get some type shied around them lites.....:wtf:

[Elim420]

pharmacan- thanks for ur advice there needs to be more friendly and helpfull people like ur self on this site. you are right, i didnt understand the light spectrums, was a lil confusing. you made it more clear and i kno wut to get now.

colorockman- im going to use the fishtank water that i can get from my fishtanks, my mom said it will be just as good as fishemultion, cheaper that way 2. if u anyone doesnt think this would work, let me kno plz.

ill give updates of my plant when i can, ive just been busy and its doin pretty good actualy, its begining side spirts or wutever.

[Exodus_herbman]

metal halide, theyre on the red spectrum i believe which is good for vegging while HPS is strongly on the blue, which is good for budding. it could be other way around, but know HPS is good for buds while MH is good for veg. you should really consider LSTing your plants, or tying them down to make the other colas stand out more. your plant looks to skinny and to focused on its main cola.

Its the other way around, HPS emits a red spectrum good for flowering, and Metal Halide is a blue light good for veg

[StanDarsh]

[quote=Elim420]
colorockman- im going to use the fishtank water that i can get from my fishtanks, my mom said it will be just as good as fishemultion, cheaper that way 2. if u anyone doesnt think this would work, let me kno plz.
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Dude - not to pile on here, but there has been some good advice from some knowledgeable people here, yet you're going to do something your mother says instead to save a few bucks?? Stop sending cash on comic books or whatever you buy and buy the freakin's fish emulsion and the bulbs - if you're going to do this, do it right. Otherwise you're wasting your time.

[Nightcrewman]

Right heres my tuppence worth, read up in the FAQ section it contains a wealth of information then if there is something you don't understand ask there are loads of people here who are prepared to help BUT you must take on board what they say.
It would appear that you are working on a fairly tight budget and there is no shame in that at all, yes bigger budget would probably help but with a little care and listening to advice from experts (not your mum bless her little cotton socks) you should be fairly succesful, for instance you were advised on at least 3 seperate posts to raise your baby up to the top of your pot it should have been done the first time, dont think I am getting at you its just I have been there and done it so to speak. I made loads of mistakes and most of them were sorted by what I learned on this forum.
You must take advice from people on here nobody is trying to trick you we all want you to succeed.
Remember you are trying to grow a weed if left alone outside and you do nothing to it will eventually give you a crop but with a little care and attention you will get it much quicker.
Also be grateful that your parents are OK with what you are doing, if you dont mind me asking how old are you, me I am nearly ancient :)
Cheers
NCM

[twoguysupnorth]

i dont really know any brands of organic nutes, but i have been using worm castings for veg and bat guano for flowering. iwill prob. use some castings during flowering too, since the guano has 0 nitrogen. ill just look for the signs and add as needed. im not completely organic either, i use 20-20-20 2 or three times during veg. by the end all the nasties will surely be out.

[Elim420]

nightcrewman- i havent put anyones ideas down.
i dont have that much time to mess with my plant.
so SORRY for takin so long to act on things.
and on the fish emulsion, i asked if anyone thinks that wouldnt be smart plz tell me. you had to come at me wrong.

[Nightcrewman]

I think someone might have a french fry just above their clavicle here.

NCM

[Elim420]

so what do you guys think my plant looks like right now?

is it dead?
is it alive and barly kickin?
or is it just budin everywhere and omg o so frosty?