first grow: northern lights; advice requested

[uzybear]

i have ordered nirvana northern lights from drchronic, and now i need to decide on equipment

my growing room is a standard closet. about 8feet tall, by 9feet wide, by 3feet deep. two sliding doors. i can hang lights from the hanger-bar (?) and remove it if they grow tall enough

the room the closet is in is a bedroom with a large window. i can put a big fan in that window to dump air into the bedroom. then i thought i'd put another big fan in the opening on one side of the closet and another for exhaust on the other side (sliding doors open a bit if you follow me)

this is to be my first grow, and i live in an appt


anyway, the big questions now are:

soil
nutrients
lighting


i need to keep costs down, so i'd appreciate budget minded suggestions. i'm definitely considering flourescent/cfl as my only lighting. the lower heat, lower electricity uses definitely appeal.

i've been reading a lot of threads and i'll continue to do so, this grow is pretty typical around here, but i thought i'd start a thread of my own


thanks

[18toki]

Things that you can buy at Walmart. (Only in US )

Soil: Supersoil(miracle grow) (60%) + Perlite (40%)
Nutrients: SuperThrive
Lighting: 4 ~ 6 x 26w(100w output,6500k) CFLs and get utility clip lighting fixtures.
PH: PH down, Pool test kit (Get PH Meter if possible)
Timer: Get Digital timers.
Fans: Small cheap fans that rotates.
1 x Digital Thermometer/Humidity Meter
1 x power surge protector

And get Fox Farm Big Bloom from some hydrophonic shop..

For additional help, take a look at BongHitBoy420's thread..
http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/100494-closet-growing-thread.html

[uzybear]

thanks very much; i'm in the usa and there's a walmart near; i appreciate the walmart advice as i imagine it will save me some cash; my current question is how i'm going to hang the cfl's, mainly what sort of hood to use

[18toki]

Look at BongHitBoy420's thread.. That's how it's done with
utility clip lighting fixtures(available at Walmart). They are about $5 ~ $6 each.
You also need power surge protectors so you can plug those light fixtures.

[uzybear]

you'll have to forgive the next question, as it comes from a raw newb (i'll leave this disclaimer out from now on for brevity :) ), but i just got done watching a "how to grow cannabis indoors" vid (though it was hydroponic) and here's the question: if i...

1. soak seeds till they crack

can i then put them directly into a pot of soil? or do i need something in-between like a cube type thing?


i'm definitely considering the possibility of cloning and keeping a mother plant, making regular clones; i have the room....humm something to consider, but first i need my veg room (closet) setup; i have the whole rest of the bedroom which i just use for storage that i could potentially use as a veg room (or part of it more like, cordoned-off........ not sure if i want to grow all the time; considering the electricity costs, and needing to keep things low profile....hummm

something to consider


i bought standard seeds. 10 of them. so i'm thinking i'd probably be lucky if i got 2females from those? just to estimate. so i'd be needing perhaps 10 small pots and a few larger ones; of course i know it's possible i could get zero females, but i surely hope that's not the case



another Q: is it really reasonable to flower under ONLY cfl lights? it seems somewhat unpopular, yet possible. my main concerns are keeping temperatures and electricity costs down, temperatures mostly. it's cool now, but summer's coming and it will be warm. i'm in denver, CO


also: from germination to harvest, with NL, is 3-4months usual? that seems to be what i'm seeing

[Bree1978]

I put my cracked seeds in the dirt, no in-between step. You can use cfls for flowering. Just keep your plants short (lst scrog sog ect). Also, keep the floros VERY close to the plant, because you only have about 18 inches of penetration (meaning max), with the first four inches being the best. Your buds will be less dense using the CFLS...because of thier weak penetration.

Also, if you keep stress (temp, ph, humidity, circulation ect;) at a minimum you should expect at least fifty percent females....not twenty percent.


Good Luck in whatever you decide! :jointsmile: Bree

[BongHitBoy420]

1. soak seeds till they crack

can i then put them directly into a pot of soil? or do i need something in-between like a cube type thing?

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another Q: is it really reasonable to flower under ONLY cfl lights? it seems somewhat unpopular, yet possible. my main concerns are keeping temperatures and electricity costs down, temperatures mostly. it's cool now, but summer's coming and it will be warm. i'm in denver, CO

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also: from germination to harvest, with NL, is 3-4months usual? that seems to be what i'm seeing

hello. thanks for comment on my thread. heres my opinion and insight, and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one :p

pics are two methods ive tried and tried perfecting for germinating seeds. everyone does things best their own way, be willing to fuck up. i've seen ppl germ seeds in paper towels, but hell if i can. ive tried. if you can get a bag of dirt weed w/ 3-4 dozen chit seeds, it might be a good investment to toss $10 on a bag just for practice seeds if you have purchased gentics. however, just a thought. typically, if you water it -- it will grow ;)

just remember that germinating seeds need moisture, warmth, and preferr dark. air/breeze stunts baby tap roots. overwatering will drown em before they wake up! you dont wanna drown babies do you?

I have seen CFL's produce qute decent buds. Its my observation CFL's also seem to add to the "sugar coating" effect when added later in flowering. Typically, CFL's produce looser buds simple because the intensity isnt that of a well, high intensity lamp. Hence 'high intensity discharge' lamp. If you use enough CFL's to componsate (match lumen/lux) even a low watt HP/MH, you are usually running at more wattage, just as warm is not warmer due to # of bulbs, and still do not have the sheer penetrating intensity of a HID fixture. However, I use CFL's in conjunction to a low watt HPS (actually i just upgraded slightly higher, ill be getting more lumens and more intensity on less wattage than my current 150+cfl setup.) For $90, it just makes sense. Plus, id rather only replace 1 bulb vs ????? bulbs @ 7-10 $ a pop. PLUS better than ive been growing, it was a brainless choice in
***MY*** situation. Again, grow to your enviroment and as conditions allow.

Oh, and yeah turnaround is usually 3-4mo. Usually ~ 1 mo veg from seed, 2 mo flower.


Good luck w/ your grows! :thumbsup:

[BongHitBoy420]

Oh btw, this is a great link not only for you but anyone reading. Its lighting made simple. Great reference, only thing it doesnt have is the lumen chart. But honestly i was reconsidering your situation -- You can convert a home depot / lowes / wallmart 70w HPS outdoor light. Kill the dusk to dawn sensor.

48w CFL = lets say at BEST 3k lumen.

If you had two 48w CFL alone, you would have 6k lumen not to account for loss. Thats 96w. You little 70w light already has 2 CFLs beat both in wattage and output. Again, just a thought. Grow and let grow :thumbsup:

ACF Indoor Plant Grow Light Information Guide (http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/guide3.shtml) -- The link ( Lighting chart ) --

[uzybear]

interesting article

why then do folks choose to flower under only cfl? if you don't save electricty, and it doesn't create as much light as a HPS? is it justa heat issue in small spaces?

[Scarlet Sky]

cfl's put out waaaay less heat than a hid. cfl growers usually do so becuase of lack of funding.

[Scarlet Sky]

Things that you can buy at Walmart. (Only in US )

Soil: Supersoil(miracle grow) (60%) + Perlite (40%)
Nutrients: SuperThrive
Lighting: 4 ~ 6 x 26w(100w output,6500k) CFLs and get utility clip lighting fixtures.
PH: PH down, Pool test kit (Get PH Meter if possible)
Timer: Get Digital timers.
Fans: Small cheap fans that rotates.
1 x Digital Thermometer/Humidity Meter
1 x power surge protector

And get Fox Farm Big Bloom from some hydrophonic shop..

For additional help, take a look at BongHitBoy420's thread..
http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/100494-closet-growing-thread.html


superthrive is not a fertilizer, it's a supplement, to be added to nutes. it doesn't contain npk, just hormones and vitamins.

[uzybear]

i think heat could be an issue as summer is coming, cfl is certainly attractive that way

[Scarlet Sky]

my first indoor grow was all cfl. i did very well, the only differences between cfl and hid in my experience, is yeild. i got more than four times more with hps than with cfl.

[uzybear]

i haven't been able to pin down an answer on the electricity issue, but would it actually be MORE efficient to have one HPS for flowering than a number of cfl's? (per light produced?)

i'm concerned about heat. it can get pretty warm here. i shouldn't have much problem pulling in air. i can have one or two big box fans in the window, and run air-tubing (what do you call that silver accordion stuff?) into the closet, but it may not be very cool air


another q: should i run fans all the time or just when lights are on?

[Scarlet Sky]

i run an oscillating fan 24/7

as for the power consumption and all, hps is waaaaay better. especially if you consider yeild. you'd have to do two to four cfl grows to add up to one harvest from hps.

as for temps, you can make a cool tube... and the silver stuff is called flex ducting

[uzybear]

well, that idea definitely appeals. cfl (or heck, considering the shape of the closet, just regular flourescent tube, say a few warm and cool t-5's) might be right for veg. then one hps for flowering. if i have say two plants, in a closet what would be a hps i could get away with for flowering? could i get buy with 200w or so?

the hps seem pretty cheap too. i definitely like that way. i just need to make sure things don't get too hot. i can take the doors off the closet and just use black vinyl, or heck, i could forget teh closet all together and just cordon-off a section of the room right next to the window. now that's an idea. i'm on the second floor and get quite a lot of air. with that window open and fans running it might be excellent. in fact with a couple box fans in the window blowing fresh air directly on my plants i wouldn't need an oscilator either necessarily


i'm definitely concerned about things looking suspicious though. this is however a VERY pot friendly town, and the maintenance folks are stoners, and i'll put a lock on the bedroom door, but still :)


if i just draped black vinyl (mylar inside) for a grow-space it'd also give me the ability of making it larger or smaller depending on the plant growth.... no reason to use the closet perhaps....

[Scarlet Sky]

i personally would go with no less than a 400w hps, but with two plants, if short, can be well lit by a 250...

remember, safety first. there's no such thing as pot freindly in our government's eyes. i just dismantled my op this morning; i'm being ivestigated for power consumption... boo hiss.

[uzybear]

just hang some screws in the celing and hang a single flouro array for veg, and a single hps-hood for flower. simple....... oh the wheels are turning!

[Scarlet Sky]

i use two double 48" flouro fixtures and four ge daylight bulbs for veg in summer.

the cat's ass, great lights for the money. one double fixture and two bulbs runs 20$

[uzybear]

as far as power consumption:

1. how much would i expect my electric bill to go up during veg? (with flourescent 18hr)

2. flower? (250w hps 12hr perhaps?)

that seems little enough to go undetected. of course, there's danger. frustrating.

[Scarlet Sky]

less than ten dollars a month. my power consumption prob is not due to my grow, but to appliances, and possibly a bad meter. i use the flouro's, two 400w mh, and a 1000w hps, fans (including one 750w) and air/water pumps, and it runs me about 50 a month or less

[uzybear]

well that's encouraging.

i'm also moving from a desktop to a laptop, i don't run ac, microwave, and keep lights off as much as possible.

my main concern right now is keeping a low profile. i'm asking myself how it would look to have my window almost fully curtained off except for one big fan.....i gotta work on planning on keeping things on the down low

[uzybear]

another q: will the hps make much noise? my appt building doesn't have particularly thin walls, but i do have neighbors on each side, and above and below

[Scarlet Sky]

the hps will not make noise. the ballast may have a slight hum, but nothing noticable from more than a few feet away.

[uzybear]

now the balast, does that regulate the flow of electricity to the hps?

[Scarlet Sky]

yes, your hps consists of a bulb and socket, an ignitor, a capacitor, and a transformer. the transformer boosts the power, the cap regulates voltage, and the ignitor ignites the sodium.

[uzybear]

my current leaning is definitely toward having both a veg and flower room and cloning a female so i can harvest every couple months. using flouro or cfl for veg room would be essential as it might be harder to get airflow to the veg room if i had only one big fan in the window. two fans would fit but i'm concerned it would look suspicious.

i'm talking out loud here, hope y'all don't mind :)


but if i had the flower room close to the window with direct constant blowing air, and the veg room farther away (and have to rig some air for that as well)


.......hummm


cloning seems quite simple. if i understand right, all i need is rooting compound and perhaps some rockwool cubes? or can i dip cutting in rooting compound and put directly in soil? the vids i've been watching have been predominantly hydro, and i'm sure i don't want to do that because of flooding risk

[Scarlet Sky]

yes you can put cuttings directly in dirt.

[uzybear]

thanks your help is greatly appreciated; thanks for taking the time

about time to start shopping :) exciting

[Scarlet Sky]

and another soldier joins our side in the war on drugs :D

[uzybear]

you betcha; it's a messed up world

[Scarlet Sky]

that it is, but it seems the tides are turning. 12 states and counting...

[uzybear]

i'm wondering: if it's 85F outside (and it will be when these are flowering) and i have one window fan on the flower room, will that be enough to cool a hps system? i'm wondering if i'll just have to much heat to deal with...


definitely reconsidering the closet. would be more stealth as well... humm

question: for a first timer, do you have a suggestions/preference? should i just do one grow from veg to flower, and no clones, or should i go for two grow rooms, one veg one flower?

i'm asking myself if i'd want to do NL again, or another strain....

considering i might only get one female out of my seeds, cloning is certainly appealing. and given my situation, NL certainly seems the star given ease of growth, low height, low odor

[uzybear]

encouraging thing: looked at the mean temps for this region and through the hottest summer months the average temps seem to be 70f-75f so it seems i overestimated that. july being the hottest regularly.

what i really have to decide is my level of risk. do i want to use a big chunk of the bedroom, or just the closet. teh rest of the bedroom will just be storage anyway, and i'll have a lock on the main bedroom door. the closet isn't much more stealth than the bedroom...................tough choice.....as a first timer the threat of prosecution is weighing down on me. damn it

the more i look at doing an entire grow under flouro, the more it seems that flowering under hps is just a better way to go. less electricity, one bulb. even lest cost of equipment over a bunch of flouro, and of course better results. and it would be so nice to have a mother so i could be harvesting fresh herb every couple months....more thinking needed, but i need to start buying soon.

1000bulbs seems a good site. reccommend others?

[MULLETMAN]

Whats up usybear. I grow in a closet 5x2x8 and it works well. Have an air cooled 400 and a carbon air filter. Struggle with temps a bit especially cuss of my bunkk A/C. Nonetheless can run it without any probs with the door closed. In a small apt those lights are bright as shit. Good luck and keep us posted. Oh yeah and I had to cut a few holes hear and there for flex duct but just gonna patch em up when i'm done. Hang my exhaust fans with bungee cords and it cuts down on vibration. Have my ballast outside of clos, less heat in room sits on a thick rubber mat make little noise. Good Luck.

[uzybear]

for two plants, what would be a good size hps? 200w? 250w?

[uzybear]

yeah, the only AC in the house is on the other side of the building (luckily i have windows on both sides so with the bedroom shut up i'll still have lots of fresh air from the livingroom, and i have my windows open ALL the time); oh, and i never ever run the AC, ever


and now i'm leaning back to using a good chunk of my bedroom :)


thanks for commenting; so i assume you rent? i am and i know that that means added danger, but, well, i want to grow :) luckily i don't think there's a more pot-friendly place in the country; i live in boulder, colorado (screw it, no need to hide that :) )


.....

[MULLETMAN]

check out my clos grow in indoor growing. "Did I start my 12/12 to early". Oh yeah I rent and live in Tex. Not so pot friendly my friend and hotter than hell. Peace.

[uzybear]

ah, it worked; here's a mad sketch of what i'm thinking

[uzybear]

i'm glad to hear i'm not the only one dumb enough to try growing in a rented appt :) it's comforting. thanks a lot for commenting; i'm just reading everything i can now


i was thinking i could just duct-tape trash bags together for the partitions :) but that seems pretty silly, i'd just need to find some thick black vinyl. perhaps home depot? if i just maybe staple-gun to the ceiling (using bits of cardboard for support)....

[uzybear]

i haven't actually put my order in yet, so i'm looking for some last suggestions on seeds.

northern lights seems like a winner, but i'd like to know your suggestion if in my place; i want something that can be a good mother plant

where would you order from?

[uzybear]

oh, and i really need to stop talking, but...........

if i happen to get one female, can i take cuttings, make clones, and then take that female and bud it, let the clones grow up, one of which will be the mother (the best) and the rest to flower after the first female(s) flowers? i'm guessing that if i get 1-2 females i'd want to do this to get bud quickly, and if i get 3 or more i'd take one female and keep in veg as mother

are clones weaker than their mothers? would i be wrong in growing a clone into a mother rather than a seed into a mother?

[uzybear]

also, i saw on a vid i watched that the grower took clones of all his plants and then put them in the flower room to bud right away just to sex the plant, i wonder if this is a worthwhile way to go, but he was using feminized.... seems like a quick way to sex them; just discard those clones budded early, and of course discard all the male parental generation

[uzybear]

i'm having trouble stopping talking :)

what would be the difference in electricity costs between a 200w and a 400w? would the 400w use twice as much electricity?

i'm envisioning about a 5ft by 5ft flower room (ceiling is 9feet), probably have 1 or two flowering first go around, then perhaps four plants at a time from then on

[Scarlet Sky]

a 1000w will light a 5x5, a 400 does a 3x3, maybe a little more.. the power would hardly be noticeable with either of those lamps, why not get the latter? more light = more yeild

[uzybear]

hardly noticeable huh? that's surprising; i checked my energy bill and it seems to hover around $30 a month. it's even a bit higher than i thought since i don't have ac, microwave, and shut lights off often. fridge is definitely sucking some. anyway, if i have cfl's going in veg room 18hrs, and a 400w hps going 12 hrs, every day, year round, i'm wondering how much my rates will hike. if i could reduce power elsewhere, and keep my bill below $50, that would be swell

[Scarlet Sky]

average power consumption for one household is 150$. you can add lots of stuff without worrying.

[MULLETMAN]

kinda agree with scarlet. Run 2 exaust fans, 400watt and oscillating fan think the bill did increase 20 to 30 dollars. Not that bad though for sure.

[ValkyrieAg]

My brother went to CU.

I grow in the same space. Actually I have two closets. One is 11 sq feet and the bigger one is 15 sq feet. The 15sq is my flower room which is the same size as your closet. I typically just use 1-400w hps in there, though I do have 2 of them. I have found that 2 400w hps run too hott simultaneously for the room without ventilation. However, I there are ways to get around that.

What I do is I have a powerbar (buzzbar whatever), and I have 2 8.00 timers from home depot. 7am-1pm Left side HPS 1pm-7pm right HPS.
12/12...400w continuous (instead of 800)....low heat....15 sq foot of 55w/sqft

BTW, check out htgsupply.com for all your needs. I got 2- 400w HPS with 2 free bulbs for 120 apiece 250 at my door. They have foxfarm nutes as well.

As for my 11sq foot veg closet, I use 2 - 2 lamp 4' flos from walmart. If you go, you can get each lamp for under 10.00. Yes 10.00. 25w/sqft. 160w total....Grows fine...as I use them only to get from seedling - sexual maturity. But i definately wouldn't use flos for flowering. When I change plants over, there is a noticeable difference in rate of growth.

When you can get a 400w HPS for under 120, why use flos?

[uzybear]

kinda agree with scarlet. Run 2 exaust fans, 400watt and oscillating fan think the bill did increase 20 to 30 dollars. Not that bad though for sure.

that was my estimate; i'm considering again using the closet (and partitioning into a smaller veg room and a larger grow room) and using just a 200w for flower, perhaps just one plant at a time; i'm a pretty light smoker and 1or2 plants every two months seems right. i know it's rather mellow, but i'm trying to keep things as low-profile and manageable as possible.

closet would be low-pro, easier to setup space, easier to conceal in a pinch, but more heat issue


i'm thinking silver pearl would be a nice first strain; resilient, fast, and NL related

[18toki]

5 x 26w + 1 x 125w CFLs in vegetative grow-cab (18 hours)
2 x 100cfm fans (18 hours)
6 x 42w CFLs in flowering (12 hours)
2 x 100cfm fans (12 hours)
1 x 250 cfm fan (12 hours)
Monthly, I pay about $60~ 65.. It's about $10 more than before I started to grow. And I also live in apt. and call your gas and electric company and ask about low income benefit if it's available..
If I am growing in my closet, HPS would be considered as my lighting option.
Before I started to grow, I was like drooling over other's ppl's plants and thinking about making my own water bong and stuff.. now.. I am just happy looking at my plants..
You need to make more money, dude.. You're gonna have a family to take care of..
Don't worry too much. Enjoy~

[uzybear]

heh; i'm a student right now so i'm not earning much. cost isn't the issue. i could afford my electric bill to jump by $100, but i don't want to create suspicion, and i don't need to grow much anyway, as it's just for myself and i'm not an everday smoker


appreciate the advice. i'm nearly positive i'll be going with hps for flowering, but i am trying to decide whether to use cfl or flouro-tubes for veg. is one more efficient than the other? would it be better to use one strong cfl or many smaller ones? is one more efficient than the other?

[18toki]

You gotta make a right decision but there is no right answer for everything because not everyone is doing in the same way.
I went with CFLs because it is easy to buy.. One breaks, I could just drive and get one.. I am talking about convenience.. Don't be afraid to make mistakes..
One year later, you will be experienced.. I will be more..

I am planing to harvest one plant every moth.. My growing cabinet is for only 2 plants. When I harvest one, I transport one from vegetative cabinet and I have 2 ~ 4 cuttings at the same time.. I leave my cuttings in cloning chamber for 10 ~ 12 days.. so it's like.. keeps going and going..
Good luck on yours~

[uzybear]

now that's a cool idea. my only concern of having one plant near end of harvest and one only one month into flower would be one overshadowing the other, but really that's a very cool plan indeed. i really might have to copy you there; i like it! the plants would get less light during their first month of flower (as the taller one next to it might block out a bit of light), but then in it's second month it would take that place while a new plant gets put into flower. cool idea; but wait, i think the issue would be with one light it would be high above the smaller plant, so i don't think i'll copy you after all


oh, and btw: i dreamed about growing last night. no joke. i got all male plants and i put them on 12/12 right away and it was a big disaster. not kidding. i can't believe i actually dreamed about growing, but clearly it's dominating my thoughts :)

my current plan for lighting:

1. several warm and cool cheaper 40ish-Watt cfl's from walmart; i can add more or less depending on who needs light etc. hang from ceiling with little round shades on each one, thus i can have a tall mother next to little babies and not have one big long flouro tube to deal with

2. one 200w hps for flower. one or two plants at a time

question: could someone suggest where to buy my hps/ballast with a shade and maybe a cool tube in a package? i've been looking at 1000bulbs. better suggestion? i definitely want a way to keep it cool, and if that came pre-built all the better

[uzybear]

all in all i'm just happy and impressed with what a resilient plant this is; you can do things very differently and while not get perfect results, still get results

where do i buy nutes?


i still have to figure out how to rig cooling but with cfl and just a 200w, and out of the closet, i should do ok

[uzybear]

i've decided to do silver pearl. i've ordered from seedboutique and now i'm sending them a $20 bill, covered up in an envelope with my address and order number

right now i have two $.39 stamps on the envelope; do i need more postage? i tried to find out on usps website but it's hopeless; this is going to surrey in the UK

[18toki]

Go down to nearest USPS office and have them put a postage.
I ordered NL from seedboutique and it was a good transaction.. and I think they still give away Durban Poison as freebies..
Talking about the dream.. man..
Someone tried to steal my babies and I was like fucking pissed off and
wanted to kill that motha-fucker.. I felt like I was in 1980s or something..
I was like a pimp.. a king of weed dealer.. and a gangsta.. whatever..
After I realized I had no gun in my hand and there were no enemies, I woke up..
just a stupid dream..
I am totally against violence of any kind... Peace!

[uzybear]

wow; yeah, it was very weird; i'm looking at a dozen little green plants, and then thinking "hey that looks like cannabis", and then "oh little gonads..........on.....alll of them......ahhhhhhhhhhhh" it's the ganja grower's classic nightmare :) i'm getting ahead of myself with the paranoia

[BongHitBoy420]

Everyone pushes for huge lights. Its funny. I've shown countless times what wonders a person can do w/ a little light too. On a 150w my main cola from my last plant weighed just under a full oz dry?!? That was 1 cola on 1 plant... and I had three plants (they were topped tho :( ) Its all about options. Hell for that matter you could spit that closet in two, use one side for veg/clone... then in a SOG w/ a small 250-400 and stagger it. 2 rows of dixxie cups clones every week -- 16 rows. That would give you 16 mini colas every week. You sir on on the right track. Just remember -- ultimately -- take advice w/ a grain of salt good sir. Use your head and go w/ what feels right and makes sense. Prime example, everyone talks about how low odor NL is. My femaleseeds.nl grows were DANK stinky. Even as little babies these plants REEKED. So, just play around, dont be discouraged, experiment!

Any smoke gained is only bonus. And -- the "any smoke gained" part will keep getting better and better w/ every grow. Promise. :thumbsup:

Pics are 150w + 2 48w cfl + 2 26w CFL. Thats not alot.

[uzybear]

very cool; you're right. i'm nearly done with the planning. just have to wait for the seeds to get here, and setup the growrooms

[uzybear]

things are shaping up. i'm getting ready to place an inside sun order, should be able to get most of what i need. the rest will come from walmart, home depot, and gardening stores if necessary

inside sun list:
250w hps system
24' of mylar (going to make my grow rooms completely out of mylar, about 3x3

little ph meter
superthrive
two timers
floragrow/micro/bloom set (hydro i know, but suppposed to be good with soil)

here's a cool one: two stick-on zippers, going to slice the mylar and use this for a door. very cool


and that's about it. let me know if you think i should pick up anything else from insidesun while i'm at it, so i can save on shipping

[MULLETMAN]

Are you afraid to go with the 400. Better yield, i think. They are cheap to, hell get on craigs list or go to your local hydro shop, they've always got good deals especially in the Co man.
Nonetheless think your gonna have some fun with this shit. have you thought about smell. My seeds were supposedly no smells, I dont think so. Peace, Mulletman.

[HeallyRi]

insidesun.com has good deals to on 400watters