New Kind Of SCROG?

[Tomthehippie]

Whatâ??s everyone think of this - We have SOG and SCROG etc.. but what about GOG (Glass of green)? I was thinking a bout this last night, kept me awake for hours! I like the idea of SCROG but I donâ??t like the stress it causes the plant or the extra time it takes to grow Or the topping etc..! So iv come up with (what I think is?) a new version.

Grow your plants normally till the 6weeks in then place them in a new square pot (SEE PIC 2). Cut a deep grove down one face of the pot and plant your plant with the stem and body of your plant positioned horizontally through the pot. (SEE PIC 2)

Iv seen some amazing grows on this site but iv seem some shoddy SCROGâ??S! Theyâ??ve been so ineffective at keeping the canopy level or training plants successfully.

Next part of this method. now your plants have all been planted horizontally place a wide perspects Screen of over your plants. Drill small holes through out the screen to allow the passage of air. (See Pic 2) Then just let your plants grow to the screen - thereâ??s know where for them to wonder off to so thereâ??ll train them selves. (SEE PIC 3)

And there we have it. Light can get to ALL of your plant.

The canopy level will be 100% even.

plants will train flat naturally.

Plants can still be easily watered!

And no topping, training or stress is placed on the plants.

After week 3-4 of flowering (or the stretch faze is over) remover the perspects and let buds develop till harvest! This is also useful for people with height issues. (SEE PIC 4) :)

[postmandave]

This would work tom. I do something sillar to heep my scrog even i use very tight wire mesh and have the plants grow under ir in a similar way untill the 4th week 12/12 when stretch is near done then i start cutting the holes on the screen mesh larger to allow the buds to come through it keeps the scrog neat and even but this would probibaly work better wth the glass especialy oudroor scrog i will give this a try this year and wee can see if it does the job .thats if you dont mind me stealing ur idea lol I have sent a request to ur yahoo messneger for you to add me to ur contacts mate so if you wanna have a private chat give me a shout . be safe the postman.

[Tomthehippie]

Hi Dave! feel free to nick the idea! :) im debating weather or not to test this on my current grow or not. However iv just transplanted for the final time. This design seems to make so much more sense than a normal sgrog. I wonder what Justaseed would think about this. You there man?

On another note are any downsides to this method? Does any1 think this is a happier scrog?

Dave iv added you! had a quick chin wag with your wife! :D

[xblackdogx]

you can LST the plant parallel to the soil and will get the same effect... lst from 2 weeks in and by the time your plant would be going under the glass, the lst'd would be a bush already.

[Tomthehippie]

true! but that still evolves stress and bending! :) All you do this way is turn the pot when ur ready. even takes up less space, so u can grow more and when the time comes remove unwanted males! :)

[stinkyattic]

neat idea, I like it because you can take the plants out of the scrog at any time without disturbing them, since they aren't tangled.
I want to see an experimental grow done this way!

[Tomthehippie]

yea! il have a think and see if its going to be practicle to setup this grow, if not il do it on my next. :)

[Cornelius]

it's a neat idea. I'm scrogging myself and yes, it is messy as hell (though its only my first time).

I agree with whoever said to train the plants before you put under the glass. That way you would already have some nice side shoots. If you just grew it straight up then turned it sideways your side growth would be lacking and not produce as much bud. I know you want to avoid stress, but LST is really not that bad, especially if done slowly (a week or so for the initial bend).

also, a small thing, your glass will block some of the light. and i'm not sure how much buds would like growing directly into a pane of glass.

there's only one way to find out, so hurry up and try it out, i'd love to see it.

[stinkyattic]

hmm what about that cheap netting that you can get at the fabric shop to make crinolines out of?

[postmandave]

Stinky this is the type stuff i used and it done the job nice.I will give this a try on my current grow and post a threat on the outcome .Just with one plant though lol.be safe the postman.

[Cornelius]

uh...what's a crinoline

-p

[Tomthehippie]

lol. FACT! Crinoline was originally a stiff fabric with a weft of horse-hair and a warp of cotton or linen thread. The fabric first appeared around 1830, but by 1850 the word had come to mean a stiffened petticoat or rigid skirt-shaped structure of steel designed to support the skirts of a woman’s dress into the required shape. In form and function it is very similar to the earlier farthingale.

[Tomthehippie]

hmm what about that cheap netting that you can get at the fabric shop to make crinolines out of?

and yea! that sounds like a good idea. It wont look as nice and you wont be able to see the plants as well through the screen? But it will let much more air through.

[Dr.Hashman]

I have been trying to find a way to do this for about a month now. The way I plan on making one is to do it like you have, and have a HPS lights overhead the plants which are side by side, maybe do 3 plants wide. I would do it like your figure 3 with the glass overhead. Aircooled hood, Glass shield... ya know...

[Tomthehippie]

cool! really wanna find some 1 who wants to do this now! be great to watch! :D

[4x5]

Humidity may be a problem, add a layer of window screen between glass and plant (for airflow) like an inch (lower than glass) away.

[Dr.Hashman]

Good poing 4x5. I could always install a chicken-wire type screen right below the glass.

[postmandave]

Yeh the chicken wire or inch square mesh then the glass 2 inch above with exaust or inlet fan keeping the airflow moving.If the theory could be tweeked i would put it in practice i got a plant just showing female pre flowers i would just have to find the material but would need to be convinced it could be done.be safe the postman.

[Tomthehippie]

any1 at the right time and also has the ingenuity to give this a go 1st? :)

[TheHump]

After my current grow...i might give that a shot. i think it will work out pretty well.

[Shovelhandle]

NIce idea, Tom. I've grown horizontal outdoors and it worked out great. No glass or screen though. I planted like you show then I use cut wire clothes hangers, cane shaped to keep sections down. It produced lots of bud with little height.

Shov

[Dr.Hashman]

I do have my retarded male that is actually doing better now... I could do it with him. I'll stop by home depot today and look at the glass.

[postmandave]

exellent bro got to follow this.the postman.

[Dr.Hashman]

So this is what I am going to try to make today after school. I should have a pic up in about....8 hours from now. I am wondering what I am going to do for the screen... Maybe tightly woven chicken wire?

Here is our candidate, what should I name him? His name is currently "LEO Guard Plant" I don't think he likes it so what else should I name him?

[postmandave]

Call him bendy ben.lol. when you are at home depo look for the platic covered garden net know the kind for puting over strawberrys its very cheap but affective.be safe the postman.

[Tomthehippie]

Sweet nice one Hashman. lets see how this goes..

[Dr.Hashman]

I went to Casa dePot and bought a:

Jigsaw
2'x4'x1/4" particle (MDF) board (nice plywood)
Gurrilla Glue
12"x16" pane of glass (no UV film or anything, it is for art and picture frames)
1/2" chicken wire

Guess what I am going to do with all of this:D !!!!

[Dr.Hashman]

I am about 3 hours away from having this:

[Dr.Hashman]

If you build it, they will grow...

Well that is what I am hoping for. I cut up that plywood board and made a box out of it, leaving the top and 1 end open. I am still trying to find a square pot that I can use, but I might have to improvise and use an old milk container or something.

I still need to put in the chickenwire and the fan/intake hole, but it is looking good.

I hope you all are happy, because I spend my $60 on a jigsaw and all the other things instead of buying 5 grams of some nice sativa bud... 1 full day sober so far... It hurts us!

[Tomthehippie]

haha man! you star! :D Weve got a test!

[postmandave]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: exellent we have a plan:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:.
this will be an intresting thread mate well done for sacraficing ur smoke cant wait to see this plana come together.the postman

[Dr.Hashman]

I have 4 lowryders that are about 2 days old, I could use one of them for the project. My favorite part about this is that it is going to be 13"x12"x20". I am going to try to seal the box by making a hood out of MDF and have the light in a box and positioned like the picture. I think I am going to do 2 42w warm lights (big lights) and 2 23w cool (small mights). I don't think that 2 42 and 2 30s will fit in the hood nice, but if they do, I will do it. I am also going to put a fan on the top and create a small intake (I might use a 6v adapter instead of 12 because it is quieter and I don't have an intake big enough).


Today in my American Government class (Why do you have to take the same class over 3 times throughout school? Really... I understood it the first time in 7th grade!) I am going to plan out the hood and the pot. I think I might have to just build a box out of wood then find some kind of sealant to put on it to make it waterproof.

My to do list
Plan out hood and pot on graph paper
Find a sealant for the pot
put on a second coat of flat white spray paint
attach chicken wire 3/4" below the glass
Keep my seedlings under 20/4 light to get em ready for the... umm.... _____ _____ method (What do we call this? Sealed Growbox method?)

[Tomthehippie]

keep it up man! its nice to see a slight variant of the original idea! :D

[Dr.Hashman]

For Stealth's sake, I have decided to make a big box to put it in. It is going to mimic the NRG stealth cabinets (What does NRG stand for? No R____ Grow?)

I have it all worked out in my head, it's just hard to draw with paint on my lunch break where I am cooking steak, chicken, and potatoes... I have to get back to school in 10 minutes too :wtf:

I hate how you "can't" leave campus when you go to highschool. Ditching for a nice meal! Whoo hooo!

[Tomthehippie]

Hey man! il give u a hand 2moz! got a few easy ideas you might like! looking great so far though man! :D:D

[Dr.Hashman]

I thought up a new idea for ventilation, here is a quick draw of it.

The red is holes, for ventilation and such.... I hope it is self explanatory. I am using a 120mm case fan for exhaust

[postmandave]

like the airfow plan .how far are you now.the postman.

[Dr.Hashman]

I have the bottom box built. I need to build the light hood, the pot, and the airflow. I will probably get it done this weekend.

[Tomthehippie]

I thought up a new idea for ventilation, here is a quick draw of it.

The red is holes, for ventilation and such.... I hope it is self explanatory. I am using a 120mm case fan for exhaust

looking good man! :D

[CRIME IN STEREO]

wow man, real ream player we got here:thumbsup:

this is probably the most ive looked forward to seeing how a grow works out.

Good Luck...:jointsmile:

[faithlessxxx]

I grow under a polythylene sheet (to seal off the heat in the upper "compartment" of the room). You don't see the plants well from above because the lights reflect in the sheet. The sheet also gets warmer than the air, so I try to avoid the plants touching the sheet.

[CRIME IN STEREO]

hows this coming along? any new progress yet?

[Tomthehippie]

sadly not! i dont think hash man ever did it. i will DEF be trying this out as soon as possible! :) shame theres no 1 else that wants to give it ago.

[ProGroWannabe]

I am giving this sort of idea serious consideration for a large cabinet that I have. Instead of glass though, I'm thinking plexiglass, so I can drill lots of ventilation holes in it. I believe the best application for this, is groing sideways to maximize the available growing space.
Secondly, when I do mine, I'm gonna do my best to "sandwich" the light between an upper and a lower level of growing plants. All sideways of course. When I get all the details worked out on paper and start construction, I'll start a thread about it.

[Tomthehippie]

nice1! keep us posted! :D

[Cervantez]

HEy people take a look at my scrog, it is a HALF STADIUM setup, that is what i would say, only one plant was covered almost the whole place, please take a look
http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/122430-cervante-s-closet.html#post1512807

[Zcomp]

Hey guys,
I have done much research for my aquarium, it is a fact that glass does indeed absorb a small amount of your light. It is said that acrylic actually allows much more light to pass through (near 100%). Acrylic does scratch easier and if exposed to too much heat will begin to break-down(burn).
But if you could keep the acrylic cool and clean it would be the best choice. :thumbsup:

[GoldenGoblin]

All I can say is intriguing
Glad someone said leave some air room under the glass.
Another thing I wonder is if the glass will heat up. Guess it depends on the ventilation