British Study - Most Dangerous Drugs!!!

[ATrain]

Here is a link to the study that was recently done. What do you guys think?

Alcohol, tobacco among riskiest drugs - Addictions - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/)

Research recently published in the medical journal The Lancet rates the most dangerous drugs (starting with the worst) as follows:

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat

[Skwirl07]

Yea huffing is probably one of the worst things you can. Shit goes straight to the dome and does nothin but kill brain cells and prevent oxygen from reaching the brain which requires over 20% of all oxygen that you intake.

[Matt the Funk]

I'd put PCP,then crack, then solvents, then cannabis and LSD would be last. And khat.

[glaeken]

The study is based on the harm a drug causes to society as well as each drugs individual danagers.

So basically the way they have listed it something low in the list may be more harmful to an individual than something higher up but because its not used as much the overal impact on society is less.

This is actually a pretty good result for Cannabis as its the most widely used "ilegal" drug in the UK but still comes in at 11th. It's the fact both alcohol and tobbacco come in above it that just shows how crazy it is that they are legal but Cannabis is not.

Of course as per normal with this type of study the UK government have quickly come out and said they have no intention of making any changes based on this.

[ATrain]

From the article...

According to existing British and U.S. drug policy, alcohol and tobacco are legal, while cannabis and Ecstasy are both illegal. Previous reports, including a study from a parliamentary committee last year, have questioned the scientific rationale for Britain's drug classification system.

"The current drug system is ill thought-out and arbitrary," said Nutt, referring to the United Kingdom's practice of assigning drugs to three distinct divisions, ostensibly based on the drugs' potential for harm. "The exclusion of alcohol and tobacco from the Misuse of Drugs Act is, from a scientific perspective, arbitrary," write Nutt and his colleagues in The Lancet.

[Inferius]

Yeah, I'd put solvents, x and ghb before cannabis. I find it interesting that alkyl nitrates are second to last...

[conch420]

PCP isnt up there?
its probly cause its rare? is it? im not sure iv only heard a few tales of pcp use, id imagine its pretty uncommon in uk to.

[suhl]

violence occurs in a much high percentage of people who drink alcohol than do pcp. if that is what y ou are referring to. the health effects id imagine would be pretty bad though

[WakingDream]

How did GHB LSD and Ecstacy all get put under pot?

[conch420]

violence occurs in a much high percentage of people who drink alcohol than do pcp. if that is what y ou are referring to. the health effects id imagine would be pretty bad though

yeah but pcp can cause violence in some ppl and it makes them much hareder to arrest.. a guy around hreer had 6 cops and a tazer to take him down and he wanssnt a very big guy:stoned:

[Matt the Funk]

yeah but pcp can cause violence in some ppl and it makes them much hareder to arrest.. a guy around hreer had 6 cops and a tazer to take him down and he wanssnt a very big guy:stoned:
A guy I know smoked some PCP and bloood started coming outta his mouth and nose.

[Maggz]

weed = safer than X.

[evan5502]

Ectacy can kill you the first time you do it and its less dangerous than weed!:wtf:

[meloncoly]

exactly, that's how rare dying from ecstasy is, even the media gets to you on other drugs you don't really know about.

Propaganda

[puddlecruzier]

you know the only way studies like this work is when they add in all the factors and number and stats they have on all this and use math to calculate the answers not some cops and psychiatrists. whille i think this has some base of truth i think the numbers are wrong

[conch420]

Erowid Khat Vault (http://erowid.org/plants/khat/khat.shtml)

Khat is a plant that acts as a stimulant(sp?)
never heard of it b4 either

[conch420]

yeah man i seen that to, they only give like 1 negitive health problem and the rest are side affects while on the drug...

[thcbongman]

lmao.

That list is humorous.

[Inferius]

If you look around, you can find a study that proves that mescaline has as much negative effects as lsd, but even less negative psychological effects.
It's a friendlier trip.
They did this with native americans over the course of like 40 years while some of them did it a couple of times a month every year. No problem what so ever.
The best part about this? You can buy mesc online.
:)

[thcbongman]

If you look around, you can find a study that proves that mescaline has as much negative effects as lsd, but even less negative psychological effects.
It's a friendlier trip.
They did this with native americans over the course of like 40 years while some of them did it a couple of times a month every year. No problem what so ever.
The best part about this? You can buy mesc online.
:)

That's like saying cough syrup contains DXM, therefore it's DXM.

Dried San Pedros and Peruvian Torches hardly qualify as Mescaline. Sure, it contains it, but it's not in a purified form.

If anyone gets a hold of Mescaline, they're a god in my eyes.

[Inferius]

That's like saying cough syrup contains DXM, therefore it's DXM.

Dried San Pedros and Peruvian Torches hardly qualify as Mescaline. Sure, it contains it, but it's not in a purified form.

If anyone gets a hold of Mescaline, they're a god in my eyes.

Nonono, the study WAS for cactus. Sorry for not clarifying.
But... I guess I'm a god in your eyes? A mesc extraction isn't that hard...
Compras Perú: San Pedro cactus Powder (http://www.compra-segura.com/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=259)
Have fun.

[Inferius]

uhh, if that ^^ was against the rules I apologize I wasn't thinking

[thcbongman]

Nonono, the study WAS for cactus. Sorry for not clarifying.
But... I guess I'm a god in your eyes? A mesc extraction isn't that hard...
Compras Perú: San Pedro cactus Powder (http://www.compra-segura.com/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=259)
Have fun.

Problem with Mesc extractions is the varying types of solvents that can be used, which affect what dosage you should take. So no, I wouldn't trust some guy without knowledge in organic chemistry to defat a mixture of poisonous solvents. Sorry when I say, I dispute the easiness because it's far from it. It's a long process, which takes weeks and one mistake will dramatically alter your final product.

If Mesc extracts were so easy, and legit, you would see much more mesc on the street. To get it in that pure form takes mastery.

Aquatic Extractions are considered "easy" to people with knowledge in organic chemistry, not to the average joe. I attempted it on a few occasions, with a substance that was suppose much easier to extract. I hardly did a professional job.

[amberler]

The link to the BBC version of the story.

BBC NEWS | Health | Scientists want new drug rankings (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6474053.stm)

Good to see plenty of contributions from people who haven't actually read how the classification system in this report works.

[Inferius]

Problem with Mesc extractions is the varying types of solvents that can be used, which affect what dosage you should take. So no, I wouldn't trust some guy without knowledge in organic chemistry to defat a mixture of poisonous solvents. Sorry when I say, I dispute the easiness because it's far from it. It's a long process, which takes weeks and one mistake will dramatically alter your final product.

If Mesc extracts were so easy, and legit, you would see much more mesc on the street. To get it in that pure form takes mastery.

Aquatic Extractions are considered "easy" to people with knowledge in organic chemistry, not to the average joe. I attempted it on a few occasions, with a substance that was suppose much easier to extract. I hardly did a professional job.

I'm just gonna humbly go back into my non-pure mesc extraction cave now...

[4 2 0]

this list is really retarted, ecstasy puts holes in your brain, and its worse for u than ganja? and LSD can make u go fucking insane, im sorry but these people are idiots :(

[orangeman]

Speaking of other drugs did anyone hear about the flavored meth? They have flavored meth out now to attract more customers lol wow..

[mfqr]

Khat is cathinone... it's not nearly as harmless as they say on that list there. It should definitely be above Cannabis, since Khat has potential to cause physical dependence. This list is biased... and it sucks. They didn't include Crack, but included cocaine. Cocaine alone is not nearly as bad as crack-cocaine... they didn't put Meth in there, and I think meth should be #1. Then heroin. Cannabis should be one of the last few, if not the last. I don't see how it alone causes any trouble to society. But rather, the prohibition of it causes problems.

[MacWQ33]

Ectacy can kill you the first time you do it and its less dangerous than weed!:wtf:

False...MDMA is very safe with responsible use at responsible doses. You can die from indirect sources, but not from the MDMA itself. Same goes for LSD and Mushrooms.

Personally, I think crack and coke should be two separate items, because they are totally different besides having the same base chemical. I really don't think cocaine by itself would be number 2...I don't think powder cocaine is as dangerous as it's thought out to be.

[amberler]

this list is really retarted, ecstasy puts holes in your brain, and its worse for u than ganja? and LSD can make u go fucking insane, im sorry but these people are idiots :(

At least read the report before jumping to incorrect assumptions

[thcbongman]

this list is really retarted, ecstasy puts holes in your brain, and its worse for u than ganja? and LSD can make u go fucking insane, im sorry but these people are idiots :(

Nothing puts holes in your brain.

Either your brain cells are active, or they aren't. You don't, all the sudden, after taking 1 pill of Ecstacy, have gunshot holes in your brain. lmao!

[MacWQ33]

Nothing puts holes in your brain.

Either your brain cells are active, or they aren't. You don't, all the sudden, after taking 1 pill of Ecstacy, have gunshot holes in your brain. lmao!

I just don't understand how people can dispute all the propaganda and bullshit about weed, but then they still believe and sprout the bullshit for other substances. Doesn't make too much sense to me.

Holes in the brain? How is that still going around when it was proven wrong like 10 years ago? LOL. Goes hand and hand with the 'spinal fluid' claim...silly silly.

[drgreenthumb1238]

The whole situation infuriates me beyond belief. Prohibition has been proved not to work, yet we still persist. Ultimately, a drug is a substance you put in your body that causes a chemical reaction. Chocolate does this and it is unhealthy if consumed to excess, shall we make chocolate illegal? Fatty foods are served to children on a daily basis in schools. Obesity ruins many lives yet unhealthy food is still happily sold with impunity. Lets just ban everything and have done with it...

[thcbongman]

I just don't understand how people can dispute all the propaganda and bullshit about weed, but then they still believe and sprout the bullshit for other substances. Doesn't make too much sense to me.

Holes in the brain? How is that still going around when it was proven wrong like 10 years ago? LOL. Goes hand and hand with the 'spinal fluid' claim...silly silly.

See the thing I don't get is how these anti-drug crusaders feel the need to exagurate their claims. It's like they think people are stupid.

[mfqr]

The whole situation infuriates me beyond belief. Prohibition has been proved not to work, yet we still persist. Ultimately, a drug is a substance you put in your body that causes a chemical reaction. Chocolate does this and it is unhealthy if consumed to excess, shall we make chocolate illegal? Fatty foods are served to children on a daily basis in schools. Obesity ruins many lives yet unhealthy food is still happily sold with impunity. Lets just ban everything and have done with it...

Of course nobody should make chocolate illegal. It's a food, and it doesn't REALLY get anyone high. Makes you feel happier, but it doesn't get you high like any of the drugs in the list (unless you eat excessive amounts, and not the milk chocolate kind). I think you comparing unhealthy food to drugs isn't a very good way to argue this. Maybe you should be comparing the legality of Alcohol and Tobacco versus the illegality of Cannabis? Anyway, yep. I see your point, though. Just remember that it's _ALL ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE_. The government couldn't give two fucks about the people.

[drgreenthumb1238]

I was using an extreme example in order to make a point. Chocolate can change your mood, I was trying to avoid the obvious tobacco and alcohol comparisons. This is because many right wingers will happily say that tobacco and alcohol if they were to be introduced now, wouldn't be legal. However they are happy to allow this status quo as it generates billions every year in taxation. Also because they claim it would be hugley unpopular for a government to try to ban them. As for unhealthy food, it costs any health service a huge amount of money every year to treat heart disease, liver disease malnutriton etc, yes it may not cause dysfunctional behaviour to the same degree that drug MISuse, it has been shown that poor diet can impact negatively on children's physical and mental development.

[zalami128]

Any thoroughly educated drug user can look at this list and see that it is horse shit.

[JackdaWack]

Any thoroughly educated drug user can look at this list and see that it is horse shit.

this is the most educated statement in this thread. This is a bullshit list if i have ever seen one. If you really think pot is worse then E then u are fuckin moron. Ive done more then half the drugs on this list and i can say i would have arrange these in a completely different manor. When they say E puts holes in your brain they are saying that it kills many upon many braincells. I would concider a hole in your brain to be multiple dead cells that were once functioning that are now not becuase of the substance. I dont need to read some article to know this, its common knowledge. As a matter of fact most of these drugs dont even kill braincells more or less damage them which can infact be repaired. I dont understand how people can say this list is correct.


Steriods give your liver cancer, and its one of the last it should be right next to alcohol.

[JackdaWack]

Let me just say this, there should be abselutly no study on the effect on society of the drug. Just becuase i smoke pot doesnt mean i effect society. The laws effect society not the drug, There shouldn't be a list of harmfull substances listed in a monor based on its users and society, there should just be a list of how harmful the drug is, what the fuck does it matter what society thinks, just becuase certain people are biased on pot doesnt mean its worse then E. This is a shitty way to compare substances, and its all around a bullshit excuse to make a list.

[JackdaWack]

Ok maybe the was unclear. They should state that this is an study on the effect the drug has on society and how dangerous the substance is, saying that, half these drugs shouldnt even be on the list and more or less some should be added, last time i check, crack and meth were amoungst the most popular and easiest to get drugs, not to mention there 10x worse then pot and.... i dont see them on the list and there both extremely addicting, this small fact alone destroys any evidence they have come uppon. They put E on after pot and there are actual recordings of people who have died from E. Just becuase people dont use some drugs more then others doesnt mean they arent as harmful and infact most of these are more harmful.

All this list tells me is that E is safer then pot, if i started to take E like i smoke pot i would be dead is 2 days.

I really dont even care about this crap, but seriously... whats next?



Maybe they should seperate there data..... Make a list of social hazards, bodily hazards, and what ever the fuck else, they cant possible combine them all together, there data is fucked when its all put into one list becuase well just becuase alot of people use pot doesnt mean its worse then E.

[MacWQ33]

It was broken down into 9 categories, and each category was rated. Some of them pertaining to society and the impact the drug has on it. Does X have a big impact on society? No, not at all. LSD? Hell no. Does weed? Yes, very much so. That's why it was higher. Cocaine...obviously not in the same league as herion and meth, yet they rate it second, because it does have an impact on society due to violence from distribution and I believe they mean Crack too.

Is the list wrong in some areas? Hell yes, I don't see Meth or Crack.

Btw, you're pretty naive to the facts of drug use. Drugs don't kill braincells. Life kills braincells. Braincells die throughout the day. Pure MDMA (if you know what that is) does not 'kill braincells' or 'put holes in your brain', and you do not die from it, any deaths related have many, many other factors involved....and that's not what they meant by 'put holes in your brain', they meant it literally. Pretty dumb statement by both you and them.

[amberler]

Any thoroughly educated drug user can look at this list and see that it is horse shit.

An educated drug user would have read, understood then posted.

[JackdaWack]

You dont need to read this crap to understand it, I can see what there trying to prove just by looking at the list, they wanted to make a list of drugs and list them according to there dangers in society, And i cannot help but disagree. Most these drugs don't even impact society, Pot is only a problem in society because its illegal not because people get stoned. If it were legal no one would give two shits and every one would be at ease on the topic, If any one can give me a list of pots social dangers please let me hear em. This is basically a list of what people believe not what proof is held. Its like me putting god on the list, i can name a handfull of people who have done worse in the name of god then some kid smoking pot, or better yet some guy after a hard days work smoking some weed to easy the harsh realities of his job. You cannot make a list based on societies views becuase society its self is twisted. There is not "right" list when speaking in a general sense about societies views becuase half the time society is wrong...... i mean honestly how about when it was ok to own a black man as a slave..... now thats fucked up, or how about the idiots calling jihads when they cannot even prove the man exists. Im ranting alot but im just proving a point that society cannot label things according to how they "feel" about them becuase i dont give a fuck what other ppl think, if it aint doin me no harm, and i can see my actions do not effect others, then it cannot be listed as dangerous to society, Every one is different, and u cannot say that one would do the same as others, thats why i think drugs should be listed only by there Health effects.

[JackdaWack]

It was broken down into 9 categories, and each category was rated. Some of them pertaining to society and the impact the drug has on it. Does X have a big impact on society? No, not at all. LSD? Hell no. Does weed? Yes, very much so. That's why it was higher. Cocaine...obviously not in the same league as herion and meth, yet they rate it second, because it does have an impact on society due to violence from distribution and I believe they mean Crack too.

Is the list wrong in some areas? Hell yes, I don't see Meth or Crack.

Btw, you're pretty naive to the facts of drug use. Drugs don't kill braincells. Life kills braincells. Braincells die throughout the day. Pure MDMA (if you know what that is) does not 'kill braincells' or 'put holes in your brain', and you do not die from it, any deaths related have many, many other factors involved....and that's not what they meant by 'put holes in your brain', they meant it literally. Pretty dumb statement by both you and them.



Yeah ok it doesnt kill them, but it does lifetimes worth or damage, braincells regenerate and die on a normal daily basis... yes. Alchohol kills more braincells then u give credit, ever herd of a BLACKOUT, u know when u cant remeber what happend the next morning, yeah that was you! killing your braincells.

[JackdaWack]

I'll agree i was off on the MDMA about the "holes" but the couple of sentances after that kinda say emphasize the point u were making that most drugs dont even hit the brain more or less the body, Either way it doesnt matter, what is a good brain when ur dying from some organ failure. either way its still bad and that is the point.

[thcbongman]

Yeah ok it doesnt kill them, but it does lifetimes worth or damage, braincells regenerate and die on a normal daily basis... yes. Alchohol kills more braincells then u give credit, ever herd of a BLACKOUT, u know when u cant remeber what happend the next morning, yeah that was you! killing your braincells.

I take it you never heard of neurogenesis.

There's been studies that simply abstaining from alcohol would increase the speed of cell growth in the brain. If this is the case, why wouldn't this fact be applicable to Marijuana, Ecstacy or any other drug?

Anti-drug propaganda is intended to scare people away from doing drugs, not to induce people to use common sense and reason.

[MacWQ33]

I just think the phrase 'killing brain cells' is one of the most vague statements, and should never ever be used.

Over the past five years since I've been drinking, I've probably blacked out like 100 times at least lol. And I won't even be legal age until this summer lol.

Add to that, I've drank 20 plus beers while rolling a few times. I've drank very heavily while smelling white things on countless occasions. I've smoked enormous amounts of marijuana while drinking and while not.

Just saying, not that I disagree with anyone here....but from my personal experience, substance use has done no harm to my brain, body, or organs as far as I'm concerned. I still have the most unbelievable long term memory that even people who are sober say 'Wow'. Still got an above average intelligence. Still in great shape. 'Oh Mac, the damage will come soon enough'. Yeah, I doubt it.