whats torogs problem?

[juggalo420]

why the hell does a right wing christian (TOROG) write on marijuana message boards? does he smoke? is he retarded?

[NowhereMan]

why the hell does a right wing christian (TOROG) write on marijuana message boards? does he smoke? is he retarded?

be as it is,i dont think so much like torog but i must give him credit
he stands firm on what he believes in

so i ask you now
and your piont is?
what only non white satan whorshipers post here?

and no you dont GOT TO smoke dope to belong here

btw
what the fuck kinda name is juggalo420
a clown with a fetish for clocks>?



now didnt that sound stupid


so did your post,

[Lulu]

Ah now Z stop beating around the bush....~lol~ ;) :p :D

juggalo420 everyone thinks and believes their own things, we're all different and yet can come together here. That's a good thing, right? :)

But if there is something in particular you wanna rap with Torog about, shout him up with a question. He'll only be too happy to debate it with ye. No better buachaill~lol~ :D

[FrenchInhale]

why the hell does a right wing christian (TOROG) write on marijuana message boards? does he smoke? is he retarded?


I am a right wing christian who writes on this board. Am I retarded? No. Are you ? Probably for making this post. And yes I smoke everyday. The fact that I am a republican and a christian does not change the fact that as an individual I feel there is nothing wrong with smoking. Don't assume anything, you will make an ass of yourself.

[Euphoric]

yea it seems like a contradiction to me, since the republican christian movement seems to be whats supressing our freedom to smoke up here in the states. all i can say is that it'd be a nice trend to see it catch on. so its a positive thing most likely but what do i know :D

[juggalo420]

being a rightwinger(some one who believes in traditional values) and smoking weed(an act of individuality and rebellion) is kind of hard for me to comprehend? help me if im missing something but i thought the 'moral majority' was really anti-drug.

[FrenchInhale]

being a rightwinger(some one who believes in traditional values) and smoking weed(an act of individuality and rebellion) is kind of hard for me to comprehend? help me if im missing something but i thought the 'moral majority' was really anti-drug.


Well ill help you out with this... there are republican's who like myself, have strong morals i.e. values on abortion, gay marriage, economic policy, states rights, religion, military ... BUT some of us like myself, feel that drugs is another topic.. I feel drugs is a choice everyone makes, and if you aren't hurting someone else... then why would anyone care? And I feel that some drugs... (natural ones, including shrooms, marijuana, morning glory seeds, etc.) where created by the one God for use by his creations. So although I would say around 90% of republicans think drugs are bad... 10% or so don't feel that they are wrong (mainly college students it seems :) )

[Torog]

why the hell does a right wing christian (TOROG) write on marijuana message boards? does he smoke? is he retarded?
Howdy juggalo420,

Heck,I've been tokin since '72..probably long before you were even a gleam in yore daddy's eye..lol. As for being retarded,if I am,I don't know it..lol. I've got a military/college education in electronics and computers..if I'm retarded,I don't know how I ever passed the AC/DC Circuit Analysis class..lol..but I did. Btw,do you know how to work with complex numbers,polar/rectangular formulai,phase analysis..etc ?

I'm an un-apologetic,shameless American patriot..I stand by my Christian values and my traditional values..as well as common-sense,humility and gratefulness for my many blessings. I believe that the WOD is a failure,and I believe that we are at war with terrorists and the countries that sponsor them,I support the developement,deployment and use of RNEPS(Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrators). This here Texan--would be huntin down terorists right now-if I had my way !

You're welcome to ask me anything you want..I'll do my best,to help ya understand,how it's possible to be a long-haired,red-neck,conservative Christian ,Texas hippy.

Have a good one...Torog :D

[juggalo420]

whatever makes you happy, i never heard of a conservative pothead, but if your happy that all thats matters. and about that whole retarded comment you might not be but i believe ur politcal and ultra-patriot views are.

[mellow mood]

i think you are retarded because u think he is retarded coz of his political views. he have the right to beleive anything who tells you your right? i dont share pretty much torog's views but no need to bitch him for what he thinks...

[U4EUH]

Five months later...

[Stedric]

Why did you revive this thread?

[Psycho4Bud]

being a rightwinger(some one who believes in traditional values) and smoking weed(an act of individuality and rebellion) is kind of hard for me to comprehend? help me if im missing something but i thought the 'moral majority' was really anti-drug.

Another republican here that has been tokin', and snortin' for the last 30 years. Damn, didn't realize it's been that long! Keep in mind that it's not the republicans that are so concerned about you smoking cigs, we're not the enviromental party: We are the bottom line party that is concerned with trade, profit margins, etc...you know...big buisiness. The reason behind the republicans being the anti-drug party was due to Vietnam and Nixons way of dealing with the anti-war hippies. "Maybe if those damn kids weren't hopped up on drugs they may get a hair cut and show a little patriotic sense." You've heard the line at one time or another. The beauty of it all is that there is a new breed of us that is pro-drug not only for the use but for the financial benifits. Dollars and cents! Save 16 billion per year on the so called war on drugs and retrain all those poor DEA agents how to package weed instead of destroying it. Tax revenue from sales. Creation of jobs for processing, packaging, advertisement, distribution which translates into tax revenue from from these jobs and the corporations with the labels. The Democrats will be screaming of the implications of legalization from cancer causing agents to addictions to driving under the influence, etc... Why do you think that the Dems are considered the party of big government. Takes alot of different government agencies to make sure you have a politicians nose stuck up your ass making sure you live to be 120. Shit, Kennedy can't take care of his own buisiness why the hell does he feel he can take care of my best interests any better! Being from the state of Mass. I would like to ask you a question: how is it that you people can keep re-electing a murdering rapist like that son of a bitch into a senate job?:cool:

[mellow mood]

dunno why i revived this thread maybe just for fun lol


i like to do this. try it its fun lol

[amsterdam]

republican smoker here!!we are the real underground.

[Hydrizzle]

Why do people always post that conservatives (or any non-liberal Bush-bashing weenie) are "on the wrong forum" or something else immature.

WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY DIPSHITS!


Maybe you all who want anyone with opposing viewpoints to leave should go live in communist China, where anyone with opposing viewpoints will suddenly dissapear... then come back with unexplainable scars. You assume because Torog is religeous and conservative that he has no place smoking pot? If you don't like the religeous rambling, then ignore it, instead of starting a thread bitching about it.


(Oops, forgot that freedom is something all these little weenies take for granted)


Spoiled brats

[Kid Dynamite]

why the hell does a right wing christian (TOROG) write on marijuana message boards? does he smoke? is he retarded?


he writes on the boards cos he fucking wants too....and its not upto you to tell him that he shouldnt or he cant.

[Funken Monken]

...and if you want to get a good understanding of the Torog-esque mindset, VISIT PLANET TEXAS.

I promise the answer will reveal itself.

Keep on keepin' on T

[amsterdam]

...and if you want to get a good understanding of the Torog-esque mindset, VISIT PLANET TEXAS.

I promise the answer will reveal itself.

Keep on keepin' on T


hahahah,very true!!texas is a unique place thats for sure. :D

[Funken Monken]

Eye opening is how Id put it. Hope to be back there again in a few weeks.

[amsterdam]

get the BBQ or go to a crawfish boil for sure.

[stoner spirit]

Aah, yes, bbq and boiled crawfish, good things huh? Texas is it's own world, I could see that.

[mellow mood]

lol yea. i consider em as aliens haha

[amsterdam]

our little hat up north is having some of its own problems

[GHoSToKeR]

why the hell does a right wing christian (TOROG) write on marijuana message boards? does he smoke? is he retarded?
Are you retarded?

[nomadherbman]

no hes not retarded......but his views in some eyes, are........

i have no respect for the republican party because its done nothing but hurt my family and I.....maybe you guys havent been effected yet?? your time will come tho....we no longer live in a "free country".....i wont continue this because i dont want to upset anyone..but please everyone feel free to list the pros and cons of the bush campain

[nomadherbman]

and dont attack someone because of his beliefs......if this is "a free country" he has his right to voice his opinion......and he reacted quite real to your attack i do have to say......

i know its hard to fathum that someone is a down right rep, and christian, but yet smokes.....

[Juggalotus17]

Smoking weed and EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING else have no relation, unless you let weed control your life.

[nomadherbman]

"do the drug dont let it do you"

it does have a relation tho.......what do the Republican party and Cristians believe...? to sum it up "Weed is the devil".........of coarse not all of those^ beliefs, believe it.

[Juggalotus17]

I'm a republican. I'm a conservative. I believe in God, I'm a catholic christian, guess what i DONT BELIEVE. i DONT believe weed is the devil. Just cause my believes tend to follow the path which is against weed, it doesn't mean i'm against weed.

I am my own person, and so isn't torog. People can have their own variation of beliefs.

[nomadherbman]

no shit, you dont say......have you not read my previous posts????

your an idiot, your saying what i just fucking said......

[Juggalotus17]

Who said I was talking to you.

And no, I DIDN'T read your previous posts because they obviously don't matter to me nor my opinion, which I was stating... Not responding to you. And I hope you take offense when I say you're the idiot for not learning his english back in elementry school. Try to type clearer, and more coherent sentances next time. Thanks.

[nomadherbman]

lol, wow " learn his english" i dont see anything wrong with my typing....looks pretty straight foward and easy to understand.....you just made yourself look like an idiot...need i say more

ICP man!!!! yaaaaaa

FOOL!

[nomadherbman]

oo ya and, anyone with half a brain can obviously see that you were "responding to ME"


Who said I was talking to you.

And no, I DIDN'T read your previous posts because they obviously don't matter to me nor my opinion,

your own opinion doesnt matter to you?

[NowhereMan]

oo ya and, anyone with half a brain can obviously see that you were "responding to ME"



your own opinion doesnt matter to you?

hey cant yaw bitch about Torog a lil bit better worded
im ignorant and cant understand your piont,

[Torog]

hey cant yaw bitch about Torog a lil bit better worded
im ignorant and cant understand your piont,
Howdy and Good Mornin NWM ! :)

I'm having trouble too...lol..I wish that they would hurry up and define what they want to gripe about,about me .. lol.

I hope that yer doin well !

Have a good one..! :D

[amsterdam]

like the other 86% of the country,he believes in GOD.

[BlueCat]

I have republican friends that are cool.....and I am not fond of the all Democrats either....my problem with Torog is after reading his posts he sounds like he works for the cops...which he is yet to deny! If you notice his posts he gives out this old leave it to beaver daddy advice...GAG and he sure seems to notice all the weed post. He even seems to make a point to repost them so the persons name goes with the photo...

I don't think the problem is with republicans it is with people who display this facade of wisdom and "good "Church" values...when at the same time they have big beer bellies, they are dirty looking, <-----but they expect their women to be trim polite arm ornaments and I would be willing to bet they have a stack of pornos hidden under their bed! lol

No one likes a fake.

[amsterdam]

trying to call him a cop?

i believe it was you who tried to tell me i was violating some sort of international law?ARE YOU THE COP?

love your nazi quote.go figure.

[BlueCat]

Nope...I am not a cop...as I have stated my dislike for them several times Amster the Hamster needs to practice reading 101....don't they offer one of those reading skills classes at your college?

[amsterdam]

college?

did you attend northwestern?i didnt think so.so much for smarts.you should stick with the rest of the morons and dropouts at the protests.its where you fit.

[amsterdam]

always the college or smarts comments.wierd.werent you a teacher(i.e. you are the part of the problem)who now attends starbucks bashing parties with 16 year olds?

yea,and im the moron.

[XTC]

Amster the Hamster. HA!

[BlueCat]

No Hamster I am not a teacher....I am an Artist. I got a teaching degree but as I stated before I did not agree with present day teaching methods...We were taught to use constructivist theory but not allowed to apply it when actually teaching....

and I stood in front of a starbucks during a protest, ...you are adding the rest....no wonder you like Bush you both seem to have a talent embellishing and lying....

Why is it you always get up in arms when college is mentioned...are you having grade problems? It is always such a touchy subject for you....your insecurity is showing....

[amsterdam]

i finished school and work in advertising for a hardware company in downtown Chicago.

no,your the typical unorganized protester.i just got done watching a bunch of children banging sticks on armored vehicles outside the G8.like i always say,great way to get people to listen or care.keep up the good work.the 1960 way of thinking is a dying breed.perhaps you should take a marketing class at northwestern since you know some faculty.because you and your protest kids suck at it.

[nomadherbman]

hey cant yaw bitch about Torog a lil bit better worded
im ignorant and cant understand your piont,

???? ougga boogga obbouggaa......understand me better now?

ignorance is bliss

[nomadherbman]

I'm having trouble too...lol..I wish that they would hurry up and define what they want to gripe about,about me .. lol.

umm its quite clear that he started this thread, and was gripping about you being a " republican, god lovin, red neck..that yet smokes weed?"

no wonder you people vote for Bush. YOU DONT HAVE HALF A BRIAN......

[nomadherbman]

and dont attack someone because of his beliefs......if this is "a free country" he has his right to voice his opinion......and he reacted quite real to your attack i do have to say......

looks like i was standing up for him NWM...

NWM
just face it. your response had nothing to do with what i said and everything to do with were i stand politically.....

[Juggalotus17]

oo ya and, anyone with half a brain can obviously see that you were "responding to ME"



your own opinion doesnt matter to you?


Lol, you just made yourself look like a fool cause you misunderstood what i said. I said your posts didn't matter to me, and they didn't matter to my opinion. I was stating my opinion in my post.

and yes, I AM A JUGGALO! I LISTEN TO ICP! if you're actually going to make fun of me (or anyone, for their taste in music) because of that, you should really go kill yourself because you're wasting my water, air, weed, and women. Assuming you're straight.

But wait! I'm not done! I still have to prove you wrong, son.


it does have a relation tho.......what do the Republican party and Cristians believe...? to sum it up "Weed is the devil".........of coarse not all of those^ beliefs, believe it.

HOW THE FUCK IS SOMEONE SUPPOSED TO READ THAT "STRAIGHT FORWARD" AND "EASY TO UNDERSTAND" BULLSHIT SPEWING FROM YOU?!?!?!?!? NEED I SAY MORE, BITCH?

yeah i do need to say one more thing, actually.

owned.

[trippruss]

by the time the babyboomers start taking over our public offices the war-on-drugs will start to take more of a realistic turn, meaning alot of these ol' folks mentality about weed will be gone from our goverment & they will start relaxing most of the laws regarding smoke. democrats right now(kennedys') still get to this day a cut on all scotch sold in this country. this was given to them by the u.s. goverment in an effort to curtail bootlegging during prohibition. why would they step on their own toes? most of the people i know would much rather go to the liquor store to pick up a 10pk of NL#5, than a 6pk of budwieser. budwieser pumps millions into keeping weed illegal, it would kill their sales if legalized, & they get to write it off on their taxes! by the time my children are old enough to become legislators things will be much different. anything worthwhile in life is niether free or fast! r

[trippruss]

p.s torog was raised in the bible-belt, it's what he knows/believes, cant change people, places, or things. same with alot of these muslims from poor, dusty, miserable-ass desert towns/villages. they are angry w/good reasons but they have been taught that God is a vengeful, hating entity & when you are left ignorant & cant read you only know what your taught. children are taught hate, it is not something they are born with. unfortunately alot of organized religion bashes other beliefs & teaches their young that any other veiw of the world other than theirs is grounds for death. WTF? i personally believe that God is in each & every one of us & that we dont need to go to a place of worship to find him or give 10% of of our income to be saved. we are Gods' children & if you are a believer be good to yourself & those around you & you will be admitted to his kingdom. if you prey on the old & weak & take their money for a false blessing or repentance then you should be executed. (jerry farwell)

[Torog]

p.s torog was raised in the bible-belt, it's what he knows/believes, cant change people, places, or things. same with alot of these muslims from poor, dusty, miserable-ass desert towns/villages. they are angry w/good reasons but they have been taught that God is a vengeful, hating entity & when you are left ignorant & cant read you only know what your taught. children are taught hate, it is not something they are born with. unfortunately alot of organized religion bashes other beliefs & teaches their young that any other veiw of the world other than theirs is grounds for death. WTF? i personally believe that God is in each & every one of us & that we dont need to go to a place of worship to find him or give 10% of of our income to be saved. we are Gods' children & if you are a believer be good to yourself & those around you & you will be admitted to his kingdom. if you prey on the old & weak & take their money for a false blessing or repentance then you should be executed. (jerry farwell)
Howdy trippruss,

Yup..I was raised in the Bible-belt,and I'm dang glad that I was..my old man,was 6' 5",and 220 lbs of pure redneck meaness..being the oldest son,meant that I got most of the whuppins and was held responsible when either I or my brother did something wrong..most of the time. And now,years later,some of my family have told me that they felt sorry for me,gitin the worst of it,from my dad..which was a surprise to me..I thought that I had dang near everything coming to me,that I got..but they assured me,that I really was gittin the short end of things and that he was too hard on me..oh well..I'll never use it as an excuse,because I do believe that my old man loved me enough to be hard on me and make me into a man. I told him,about 5 years ago,that I was grateful for him trying to keep my brother and I,in line and that I did not hold it against him.

Have a good one ....

[BlueCat]

My father was the same way Torog...but I have raised my kids not to be intimidated. They know right and wrong but they are not afriad to talk to me or to their dad. They call me almost everyday...we are very close...I never had that with my dad...I value everyday with my kids...we have such fun together because there is no tension. I think a lot of people miss out on a really enjoyable friendship because they are so busy being the boss. They never get to know their child as a person.

Do you think by being really stern you close down communication lines? Is it really good to be terrified of your parent?

Awaiting your opinion....

Cat

[nicholasstanko]

why the hell does a right wing christian (TOROG) write on marijuana message boards? does he smoke? is he retarded?

Hey youngster. Torog is a well respected poster in the Politics forum. He's earned his stripes you fucking pissant. Why the fuck do you care what he does? We want unity with marijuana legalisation but we should keep out christian conservatives? you're not going to have many supporters boy-o.


now shut the fuck up and let him post whatever the hell he wants



Have a good one....asshole.

[Sentinel]

There has been studies done showing that some people are attracted to pheremones of the same sex, making them gay. So this is proof being gay is not a choice, and you are born like that and you cannot change that. Some people are CREATED gay, this is a fact. If this is a sin than why would "god" create something that he is against? And also, if you are so sure god exists, what created it in the first place?

America is a free country. Why was a president elected that got less votes than the other candidate? Why does the government have the right to read any emails you have sent or received, listen in on your phone calls,and have you under surveillance without you ever knowing?

The president started a war on a country looking for terrorists that had caused 911. Even though there were NO iraqi terrorists proved to be on the plane. There were 18 Saudi Arabian terrorists on the plane, and the organization was believed to be in Saudi Arabia. George Bush also happens to have a very good relationship with the saudi leaders that get him most of his oil.

America is not free, and the situation isn't getting better either. Some people really just can't see big brother.

[BlueCat]

Hi Sentinel...

Ever notice how the one thing that is never brought up about gay marriage is children.....Some gay people are parents like it or not....and by recognizing their union they can get the same tax breaks as conventional parents...they would also be able to get health insurance and other benefits...why should the children suffer because the right wingers don't want civil unions in the main stream? Right wingers have a way of putting their heads in the sand and wishing everything away....

Damn if only that would work....I know what I would wish for.....lol

[BlueCat]

I have posted this before but it just fits good here too.... :D


Dear President Bush,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? I really want a Canadian slave!

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? Do I stake out the feminine hygeine departmant at walmart? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or can we have a stoning party?

6. A friend of mine feels that, even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees" of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

[keinmehrkreig]

lol I'm prolly one of the rare concervative mormon marijuana users.
I think the reason why a lot of religions ban certain things, is because in certain incidents they were bad, or led too other bad things, so people speak out them agaisnt them completely.

For example, I find marijuana use fine, but I can see if someone is under the influence of it and goes driving and hits someone that it could be a problem. Thats how I make sense of the fact that my church looks down upon it, even though thats probably not the case.

Just because I personally smoke marijuana doesn't make me a liberal either. Their are many other subjects that would prevent me from this, such as gay marriage,abortion, etc.

In every group of people, they are some differences.

[Torog]

My father was the same way Torog...but I have raised my kids not to be intimidated. They know right and wrong but they are not afriad to talk to me or to their dad. They call me almost everyday...we are very close...I never had that with my dad...I value everyday with my kids...we have such fun together because there is no tension. I think a lot of people miss out on a really enjoyable friendship because they are so busy being the boss. They never get to know their child as a person.

Do you think by being really stern you close down communication lines? Is it really good to be terrified of your parent?

Awaiting your opinion....

Cat
Howdy Blue Cat,

Yup,by being too stern,you do close down lines of communication,however,a child should be able to communicate to some degree..just not to the point where it constitutes being a smart-alec.

Just as we should be fearful of the Wrath of God,we should also be fearful of the wrath of our parents..but if that wrath is just and the child knows it,then it is not terror..but rather , tough love. Those children,who do not fear the wrath of their parents,are usually trouble-makers and git into more trouble. Children should have an absolute,guiding moral authority,in the form of their parents,those children whose parents don't set rules and don't care where their child is..are often un-happy and have life-long problems with authority figures. They also tend to be self-abusive and depressed,and put themselve's into bad situations with bad people who will take advantage of their rebellion against authority.

It feels more right,to a child,to have boundaries and for their parents to not be such a friend,as to loosen up those boundaries of moral conduct and behaviour..they are most secure,when their roles are clearly defined. Until children reach the age of majority and legal status as adults,they should be treated like children..not as little adults,with adult decisions,being forced upon them.

As soon as my daughter turned 18,I began to treat her like an adult..with not only adult freedoms,but adult responsibilty..I told her that she would be responsible for her actions as an adult,in an adult way..and that the law,would expect the same. Before she turned 18,I told her that this was no democracy-that I was the absolute ruler..granted-I was a just and merciful ruler..but at least she knew where she stood in the world..and there was no confusion about that,like there would be,in a household where the children are treated as little adults and not as the children that they are.

Have a good one !

[Torog]

Hey youngster. Torog is a well respected poster in the Politics forum. He's earned his stripes you f*cking pissant. Why the f*ck do you care what he does? We want unity with marijuana legalisation but we should keep out christian conservatives? you're not going to have many supporters boy-o.


now shut the f*ck up and let him post whatever the hell he wants



Have a good one....asshole.
Howdy nicholas,

Thanx for the kind words..heck I didn't know that I was a well-respected poster in the Politics forum !

However,I disagree with you telling anyone to shut up,if anyone wishes to express themselves,they should be able to do so,even if I don't like what they are saying,I also disagree with juggalo tellin anyone to shut up..we need to know what each other is thinking..I'd rather that juggalo try to come to terms with me..than have him shut up. He can't understand why a feller like me,who believes in the things that I do,comes here..it would be best for him to gain understanding,rather than trying to stifle mine or anyone else's speech.

Have a good one !

[Torog]

Hi Sentinel...

Ever notice how the one thing that is never brought up about gay marriage is children.....Some gay people are parents like it or not....and by recognizing their union they can get the same tax breaks as conventional parents...they would also be able to get health insurance and other benefits...why should the children suffer because the right wingers don't want civil unions in the main stream? Right wingers have a way of putting their heads in the sand and wishing everything away....

Damn if only that would work....I know what I would wish for.....lol
Howdy Blue Cat,

I'll talk about the effects of having 2 mommies or 2 daddies,if ya want..we can bring this subject up alot,if you wish. I have no doubt,that most folks,whether they're gay or straight,love their children and would not want them to be unhappy. When I watched the episode of Trading Spouses,with the lesbian parents,it was obvious,that they loved their children and the children were happy..however,both I and the Christian mom,were concerned that one of the lesbians,was exposing the children to adult situations,that they should not have exposed them to,without rigid guidelines and strict monitoring.

I'm willing to concede to civil unions,but not marriage..even though,I know that by doing so,we've stepped onto a slippery slope of allowing civil unions for all sorts of blasphemous unions..like bestial,pedophilic or incestous unions.

BTW,in the end,I was ashamed of the actions and words,of the Christian mother and I disagree with her trying to humilate and demean,the lesbian couple..in order to make any progress on this difficult issue..we must have a basic repect for each other..don't ya think so ?

Have a good one !

[F L E S H]

Howdy Blue Cat,

Yup,by being too stern,you do close down lines of communication,however,a child should be able to communicate to some degree..just not to the point where it constitutes being a smart-alec.

Just as we should be fearful of the Wrath of God,we should also be fearful of the wrath of our parents..but if that wrath is just and the child knows it,then it is not terror..but rather , tough love. Those children,who do not fear the wrath of their parents,are usually trouble-makers and git into more trouble. Children should have an absolute,guiding moral authority,in the form of their parents,those children whose parents don't set rules and don't care where their child is..are often un-happy and have life-long problems with authority figures. They also tend to be self-abusive and depressed,and put themselve's into bad situations with bad people who will take advantage of their rebellion against authority.

It feels more right,to a child,to have boundaries and for their parents to not be such a friend,as to loosen up those boundaries of moral conduct and behaviour..they are most secure,when their roles are clearly defined. Until children reach the age of majority and legal status as adults,they should be treated like children..not as little adults,with adult decisions,being forced upon them.

As soon as my daughter turned 18,I began to treat her like an adult..with not only adult freedoms,but adult responsibilty..I told her that she would be responsible for her actions as an adult,in an adult way..and that the law,would expect the same. Before she turned 18,I told her that this was no democracy-that I was the absolute ruler..granted-I was a just and merciful ruler..but at least she knew where she stood in the world..and there was no confusion about that,like there would be,in a household where the children are treated as little adults and not as the children that they are.

Have a good one !
I couldn't have said it better myself. Children indeed need discipline and boundaries. Parents shouldn't be their friends, at least until the children are adults themselves. Couldn't have said it better myself, Torog.

[Torog]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Children indeed need discipline and boundaries. Parents shouldn't be their friends, at least until the children are adults themselves. Couldn't have said it better myself, Torog.
Howdy FLESH,

Well I'll be danged ! lol We agree on somethin ? Well..I know we agree about weed,that's a given..lol..but on a subject this sensitive..? Wow !

Have a good one !

[F L E S H]

Howdy FLESH,

Well I'll be danged ! lol We agree on somethin ? Well..I know we agree about weed,that's a given..lol..but on a subject this sensitive..? Wow !

Have a good one !
You know, being liberal doesn't mean you're liberal about everything. Just like being a right-wing Christian Patriot doesn't mean you can't be a pot-head too :)

I see it with my own eyes, because I'm 25 years old, and my parents aer Italian immigrants who, I believe, brought me up the right way. They're loving, generous, and always provided me with everything I ever needed, and much more. But there was no doubt about who was in charge. There were always strict rules which had to be followed. When I fucked up, I got yelled at, and I fucked up big time, I got a nice smack. But you know what? I grew up just fine. I know my pace in the world. Most importantly, I am aware that I'm not the center of the universe. We've been focusing so hard on making children think each one is special that there's a new generation of people who think they're special and deserve more and better things than others. When everybody's special, nobody is...... Now let's dope up our kids on Ritalin and anti-depressants, cause that can do no harm at 10 years old, right??

[nicholasstanko]

Howdy nicholas,

Thanx for the kind words..heck I didn't know that I was a well-respected poster in the Politics forum !

However,I disagree with you telling anyone to shut up,if anyone wishes to express themselves,they should be able to do so,even if I don't like what they are saying,I also disagree with juggalo tellin anyone to shut up..we need to know what each other is thinking..I'd rather that juggalo try to come to terms with me..than have him shut up. He can't understand why a feller like me,who believes in the things that I do,comes here..it would be best for him to gain understanding,rather than trying to stifle mine or anyone else's speech.

Have a good one !

aw dont worry torog. he can post as much bullshit as a moderator will allow. im just showing him some tough love.

what did he expect with a thread post like that? i dont know but judging from the maturity of your posts you might be one of the oldest members and should be respected as such.

i can be as intelligent or as unintelligable as the poster warrants. he doesnt have to shutup but he better watch his mouth.

[GHoSToKeR]

"Parents shouldn't be their friends"

Well, you raise your kids out of fear and anger and whatnot, and i'll raise my kids outta love and respect, and make sure they're my friends, too, and we'll see how fucked up your kids are compared to mine in 20 years. lol

[nicholasstanko]

"Parents shouldn't be their friends"

Well, you raise your kids out of fear and anger and whatnot, and i'll raise my kids outta love and respect, and make sure they're my friends, too, and we'll see how fucked up your kids are compared to mine in 20 years. lol

you both have valid outlooks. but its the same as being to left/right.

im black so id be the last person to tell you that whuppin kids asses is wrong. if you dont set some strict guidelines then you have HUGE potential for fucked up youth.

however you're too harsh you get a fucked up asshole too.

kids cant be your "friends". but you can treat them in a manner so youll most likely be "friendly" if anything.

we're raising nations of pussies here in north america. you spank your kid youre a bad parent. dodgeball is bad...bullies are bad.

bullies arent bad at all. in fact id think the school would be doing something wrong if there were no bullies. its a crucial lesson in life when faced with a bully you either shy away from or stand up to. if bush had more people kicking his ass than pampering it in his youth he might not be so detached from reality now.

[F L E S H]

"Parents shouldn't be their friends"

Well, you raise your kids out of fear and anger and whatnot, and i'll raise my kids outta love and respect, and make sure they're my friends, too, and we'll see how fucked up your kids are compared to mine in 20 years. lol
Not being their friends doesn't mean I wouldn't love and respect them. By definition, friendship implies a relationship between equals, and that's where the parent-child relationship is different. I think it is absolutely not a good idea to treat your children, at least until they're 18 or otherwise mature enough, as the parents' equals.

Obviously, that doesn't mean you don't love and respect them.

[amsterdam]

to each his own.in my house i am gonna spank the shit outta my kids when they deserve it.they will be taken to church growing up and then allowed to make their own choices as they grow older.i will teach them to respect all faiths.i will teach them ACCEPTANCE of other ways of life(homosexuality),but will also inform them it isnt NORMAL.

[nicholasstanko]

to each his own.in my house i am gonna spank the shit outta my kids when they deserve it.they will be taken to church growing up and then allowed to make their own choices as they grow older.i will teach them to respect all faiths.i will teach them ACCEPTANCE of other ways of life(homosexuality),but will also inform them it isnt NORMAL.

jesus christ amsterdam, why the fuck can't you post like this more often in the plitics forum.

[GHoSToKeR]

Not being their friends doesn't mean I wouldn't love and respect them. By definition, friendship implies a relationship between equals, and that's where the parent-child relationship is different. I think it is absolutely not a good idea to treat your children, at least until they're 18 or otherwise mature enough, as the parents' equals.

Obviously, that doesn't mean you don't love and respect them.Hey man, my post was just a joke...

But I do strongly believe that every person on this planet is equal, therefore everybody should be treated as equals. This includes children. Sure, children are always going to need looking after, nurturing and teaching, and occasionally some sort of discipline, but I will never believe that intimidation is a good way to raise your children. All the people I know who have had parents like that have grown up wanting to parent their own children better.. however all the people I know who's parents were more relaxed (didn't hit them, and gave the kid an almost 'free reign') have grown up saying how much they respected what their parents did for them. This isn't the case all the time, but I still strongly believe that physical discipline or intimidation are not the right ways to help your children grow up and develop.

[amsterdam]

Hey man, my post was just a joke...

But I do strongly believe that every person on this planet is equal, therefore everybody should be treated as equals. This includes children. Sure, children are always going to need looking after, nurturing and teaching, and occasionally some sort of discipline, but I will never believe that intimidation is a good way to raise your children. All the people I know who have had parents like that have grown up wanting to parent their own children better.. however all the people I know who's parents were more relaxed (didn't hit them, and gave the kid an almost 'free reign') have grown up saying how much they respected what their parents did for them. This isn't the case all the time, but I still strongly believe that physical discipline or intimidation are not the right ways to help your children grow up and develop.

and my granny who used to make me run out to the backyard to get a stick for swats was the greatest women i ever knew besides my mother and wife.

all i can say is that my wifes aunt raises her son very relaxed,no real punishments,just a good talking to.can eat whatever he wants,watches whatever he wants,and talks however he wants is a total little shit who speaks disrespectfully to adults,misbehaves in school,and people are shocked to be around him.

PUSSY PARENTS ARE THE PROBLEM IN AMERICAS KIDS. :D

[nicholasstanko]

and my granny who used to make me run out to the backyard to get a stick for swats was the greatest women i ever knew besides my mother and wife.

all i can say is that my wifes aunt raises her son very relaxed,no real punishments,just a good talking to.can eat whatever he wants,watches whatever he wants,and talks however he wants is a total little shit who speaks disrespectfully to adults,misbehaves in school,and people are shocked to be around him.

PUSSY PARENTS ARE THE PROBLEM IN AMERICAS KIDS. :D

holy shit, i agree.

who the fuck came up with time-out? it was obviously some kid who got their glasses knocked off one too many times and because he grew up as a pussy the rest of the nation must follow suit.

[F L E S H]

Hey man, my post was just a joke...

But I do strongly believe that every person on this planet is equal, therefore everybody should be treated as equals. This includes children. Sure, children are always going to need looking after, nurturing and teaching, and occasionally some sort of discipline, but I will never believe that intimidation is a good way to raise your children. All the people I know who have had parents like that have grown up wanting to parent their own children better.. however all the people I know who's parents were more relaxed (didn't hit them, and gave the kid an almost 'free reign') have grown up saying how much they respected what their parents did for them. This isn't the case all the time, but I still strongly believe that physical discipline or intimidation are not the right ways to help your children grow up and develop.

As human beings, Persons of all ages from birth are equal, yes. But in a parent-child relationships, parents are the authority! Grrrr

BTW, I wasn't offended or anything, just discussing :D

[rastabill89]

"JAH RASTAFARI"

[maryjanemama]

Personally, if I had to meet a right wing Christian from the south, I'd much rather it be a right wing Christian from the south who tokes. I'm a liberal, but, there are guns in my house (safely locked away, not loaded). Is there some sort of rule book that says the way we vote has to rule every aspect of how we live?

The parenting issue is a tough one. I believe most kids need a spanking at some point. I have even washed my son's smart mouth out with soap....twice. There is a difference between how you raise your kids when they are too young to make their own decisions, and how you parent them when they are teens. When they are teens, if you have raised them properly, they will have the ability to make some decisions on their own using their common sense. Yes, they will make mistakes. But I would rather my kids feel safe enough to talk to me and tell me the truth than be afraid of me and lie.

I don't care what anyone says, if you harm your kids physically to the point where they are afraid of you, then they will start to stop trusting you. Then, you've lost them forever. They should respect your authority, not be afraid you'll beat the hell out of them.

[Fengzi]

I agree that children need to learn who is boss. Parents' word should always be LAW, whether it is right or wrong. I don't think I'll ever spank my daughter though. I will, however, make sure that she gets real punishments when needed.

When I was a child I was never spanked. If I was really bad I would get grounded. In our house a grounding meant no going out to play, no friends coming over to play, no tv, no video games, no phone, etc. I was an only child and didn't have any siblings to play with either. Looking back I think I would have preferred the spanking that a weeks worth of grounding. It would have been over a lot sooner.

What gets me these days is not the methods that people use to discipline their kids but the fact that so many seem not to discipline them at all. I don't know how many times I've seen kids wreaking havoc in the grocery store while the parents completely ignore their actions. Just recently I came out of a restuarant to find a kid jumping up and down on the back bumper of my car while the parents stood by talking with some friends totally oblivious. When I said something to the kid the father had the nerve to get on my case about yelling at his kid. I wanted to pop the guy in the jaw but seeing as children were near I didn't want to make a scene. So, exercising great restraint, I politely explained just that to the guy and told him if he still had a problem we should discuss it around the corner in private. He didn't, and mumbled something about not noticing what his kid was doing. That in itself says a lot about his parenting.

[Nullific]

This thread was posted seven months ago...DIE.

[F L E S H]

Personally, if I had to meet a right wing Christian from the south, I'd much rather it be a right wing Christian from the south who tokes. I'm a liberal, but, there are guns in my house (safely locked away, not loaded). Is there some sort of rule book that says the way we vote has to rule every aspect of how we live?

The parenting issue is a tough one. I believe most kids need a spanking at some point. I have even washed my son's smart mouth out with soap....twice. There is a difference between how you raise your kids when they are too young to make their own decisions, and how you parent them when they are teens. When they are teens, if you have raised them properly, they will have the ability to make some decisions on their own using their common sense. Yes, they will make mistakes. But I would rather my kids feel safe enough to talk to me and tell me the truth than be afraid of me and lie.

I don't care what anyone says, if you harm your kids physically to the point where they are afraid of you, then they will start to stop trusting you. Then, you've lost them forever. They should respect your authority, not be afraid you'll beat the hell out of them.
Well said :)

[GHoSToKeR]

I don't care what anyone says, if you harm your kids physically to the point where they are afraid of you, then they will start to stop trusting you. Then, you've lost them forever. They should respect your authority, not be afraid you'll beat the hell out of them.

Well said, but still I don't think that you need to hit your kids in order to teach them right and wrong, and to teach them who is 'boss'. Alot of people seem to think that if you say you don't hit your kids then it must mean that you let them do whatever the fuck they want, and that pisses me off. Sure, some parents do let their kids do whatever the fuck they want, and I imagine that in most of these cases the children grow up to be spoiled brats as adults.

What I believe is that, from the moment they are old enough to understand, you should just be honest with your children. Don't lie to them (about things like drugs, sex, etc...) and they will learn to trust you; don't let them have everything they want, and they will learn that nobody can always have everything you want; don't hit them and they won't grow to fear you; don't talk down to them and try and control them unecessarily and they won't try and rebel against you. Assert authority not by physical abuse or force, but by always having an open and honest relationship... explain that the reason you have authority over them is because you have their best interests at heart and because you are only looking after them... don't treat them with the "do what I say because I say so" attitude.

I dunno...this is just what I think, but i've never had kids...

Put it this way - my parents didn't raise me or my brother and sisters like this, and we all believe that we should raise our children differently to how we were raised ourselves.. we've all 'broken the mould', so to speak.

Peace and Pistachios.

-GHoST-

[bruiser]

Torog has alot of good faith,I along with him is also a deeply faithful Christian,as for the gay couple raising children,it's scandless,and deeply offensive........

[BlueCat]

I think I have just been lucky. I have not had a real problem with my kids. We have always had a good line of comunication and I have never felt the need to intimidate them into anything. They are all wonder open minded indiviuals. I don't know what it is like to have a child stealing from you or talking back....although a lot of that I see comes from kids that are being suffocated by their parents....

I don't do anything that I would not mind my kids doing and while I was stern with them I never taught them intimidation is the answer...it does not work in the real world. I think threating them like equals is important...but thats just MHO.

[BlueCat]

Torog has alot of good faith,I along with him is also a deeply faithful Christian,as for the gay couple raising children,it's scandless,and deeply offensive........


Really? so the woman that has children....Is unhappy in her straight marriage, She has struggled her whole life to fight back her feelings but can't....she meets a woman she loves...She finds out she can be happy... it is your opinion she must now give up her children? You think the children will want to give up their mother because of her sexual preference? I know several gay couples and they are wonderful parents....A lot better than many of the straight couples I know...I don't see anything "scandaless" or offensive about it maybe you can enlighten me? :confused:

[Fengzi]

Really? so the woman that has children....Is unhappy in her straight marriage, She has struggled her whole life to fight back her feelings but can't....she meets a woman she loves...She finds out she can be happy... it is your opinion she must now give up her children? You think the children will want to give up their mother because of her sexual preference? I know several gay couples and they are wonderful parents....A lot better than many of the straight couples I know...I don't see anything "scandaless" or offensive about it maybe you can enlighten me? :confused:
What don't you understand BlueCat, they're all deviant faggots. Their only goal is to warp all society so we are a whole country of faggots. They are already starting in the schools. The sneak in as straight teachers and then spread they're message of faggot filth, teaching our children that faggot sex is acceptable, enjoyable, and even preferable. Fortunately they will all burn in hell for they are truly evil.

[Fengzi]

For anyone who may be a bit too stoned, or just plain stupid, the above post was sarcasm.

[GHoSToKeR]

Thanks Fengzi... coz I am a bit too stoned. lol

And BlueCat, i'm glad somebody agrees. :)

[BlueCat]

Thanks Fengzi... coz I am a bit too stoned. lol

And BlueCat, i'm glad somebody agrees. :)


:D Hugs all around :D

[maryjanemama]

The Christian Right- We can judge everyone else, we are absolutely right about everything, you homosexual liberals, because in God we trust!!
(More sarcasm there for anyone who's stoned)

Unfortunately the irony will be lost when they die and don't go to heaven or hell. They will just end up in a box and disinegrate after a while. But, if I am still alive, oh, yeah, I'll be laughing....laughing and toking. Too bad they don't take life for what it is and enjoy it and love everyone because they are so concerned with getting through those fictional pearly gates. Is Jesus Christ in my heart? Fuck no, just blood and the usual wiring that keeps me alive, but, I think there's a rock in my shoe. Now I'm off to go be a lesbian and possibly shine my horns, time permitting.

[Nullific]

The religions they rise in fall. Why should I believe in Jesus and not Zeus?

[GHoSToKeR]

The Christian Right- We can judge everyone else, we are absolutely right about everything, you homosexual liberals, because in God we trust!!
(More sarcasm there for anyone who's stoned)

Unfortunately the irony will be lost when they die and don't go to heaven or hell. They will just end up in a box and disinegrate after a while. But, if I am still alive, oh, yeah, I'll be laughing....laughing and toking. Too bad they don't take life for what it is and enjoy it and love everyone because they are so concerned with getting through those fictional pearly gates. Is Jesus Christ in my heart? Fuck no, just blood and the usual wiring that keeps me alive, but, I think there's a rock in my shoe. Now I'm off to go be a lesbian and possibly shine my horns, time permitting.
MJM, I love you, man! :D

[Torog]

The religions they rise in fall. Why should I believe in Jesus and not Zeus?Howdy Nullific,

That's an easy one to answer..Zeus was never real..but Jesus came to earth and died so that we may be saved..and He may be coming back soon..so you best be ready....

Have a good one !

[nomadherbman]

^^^ why should i believe in god and not zeus??

so the thousands of other "prophets"(?spelling?) during the same time as Jesus who died on the crosses didnt die for our sins aswell?...why are they not who they say they are??

i just find it all soooo hard to believe...

also......Jesus' and his disiples where brilliant. how do we keep the word of jesus alive? tell everyone he rose from the death!! he must be the real deal!!

but i guess no one well ever know untill their dead. which is the irony of it all!!

[Nullific]

Well what about Muhammad?
Which is more believable I ask, a man that meditated in the desert and spoke with Allah, or a virgin woman giving birth to a man who died and came back to life?
But then why is one more credible than the other?
Not that I believe either of the two bullshit tales.

[F L E S H]

The religions they rise in fall. Why should I believe in Jesus and not Zeus?
Null, with that statement you're closer to the truth than you might think possible... First of all, just the word itself: Zeus in anciet Greek was pronounced 'dze-us' which in the Latin language became Deus, which of course is the Latin word for God. Now, before yelling back at me and saying this is just language, there's much more to language than just sounds. An entire set of ideas and perceptions is associated with a word, even moreso with a word of such simbolic significance. Many of the traits ancients Greeks used to ascribe to Zeus got transmitted down throught to time, and became associated (probably subconciously) to Deus, or God and by Christian extension, Jesus.

Another important point to remember is the New testament was originally written in Greek, and that is another way all the lore and information concerning Zeus got transmitted to God.

Oh, and ever thought why representations of God always show him as an old man with full white hair and beard, sitting in heaven on his cloud and ruling the sky? That's exactly how the Greeks represented Zeus, only instead of smiting people, he hurled thunderbolts at them. Even Noah is an exact copy of the Greek myth of Pygmalion.

Oh, I almost forgot, you mentioned the virgin birth.... That is another tradition which has been passed on to Christianity from other tales and legends. This was an ancient technique used to denote someone's importance. Romulus and Remus were born of virgins, so was Hercules and Mithra and possibly Gilgamesh. Orpheus, Osiris and Horus died and were resurrected.

Christian philosophy is essentially an anthology of many of the ancient mediterranean philosophies, mythologies and religions.

[nicholasstanko]

Null, with that statement you're closer to the truth than you might think possible... First of all, just the word itself: Zeus in anciet Greek was pronounced 'dze-us' which in the Latin language became Deus, which of course is the Latin word for God. Now, before yelling back at me and saying this is just language, there's much more to language than just sounds. An entire set of ideas and perceptions is associated with a word, even moreso with a word of such simbolic significance. Many of the traits ancients Greeks used to ascribe to Zeus got transmitted down throught to time, and became associated (probably subconciously) to Deus, or God and by Christian extension, Jesus.

Another important point to remember is the New testament was originally written in Greek, and that is another way all the lore and information concerning Zeus got transmitted to God.

Oh, and ever thought why representations of God always show him as an old man with full white hair and beard, sitting in heaven on his cloud and ruling the sky? That's exactly how the Greeks represented Zeus, only instead of smiting people, he hurled thunderbolts at them. Even Noah is an exact copy of the Greek myth of Pygmalion.

Oh, I almost forgot, you mentioned the virgin birth.... That is another tradition which has been passed on to Christianity from other tales and legends. This was an ancient technique used to denote someone's importance. Romulus and Remus were born of virgins, so was Hercules and Mithra and possibly Gilgamesh. Orpheus, Osiris and Horus died and were resurrected.

Christian philosophy is essentially an anthology of many of the ancient mediterranean philosophies, mythologies and religions.


dude...thats fuckin surreal. im tripping on shrooms...

[jahjahjahjah]

Hi Torog we love you.

[beachguy in thongs]

In Judaism, Leviticus 19:27 states that "Ye shall not round the comers of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

[Make it Hempen]

I say fuck yeah! We need more right winged conservatives smoking some bowls. Maybe it'll change some things around here (US) since most of the population is comprised of them.

Love- Kate

[ackkyle]

Whats from the earth is of the greatest worth, so before you knock it.... try it first, you'll see its a blessing and not a curse!!!