gay marriage what do you think?

[juggalo420]

im from massachusettes where gay marriage is legal im not gay but i support there right to marry.
what do you think.......for it
against it
care less
states right
for a constitutional ban

[Das]

Perverted, disgusting, warped, let's get things straight here, people that want to make love to the same sex have something wrong with their heart, soul, and mind.

Does anyone ever STOP to THINK that your life was born from heterosexuality, YES HELLO everyone that was born, was born from a Mother and Father, unless you did something unnatural, like artificial insemination.

Lets face it we live in a warped and perverted world, with the views of these people trying to say this is OK, well I'm sorry it's wrong.

Man was intended to have a mate as a woman, and vice versa, anyone that does not think this way has something wrong with them, and these people need some serious help.

What's sad is even a small child knows the differences of what's right and wrong because this is something born into our nature, genes, etc.. and you can never take it away.

I feel sorry for kids being born from gay couples that are getting artificial insemination, can you image one day the child asking where is my father, or mother?, to one day find out the truth.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

[florida boy 3]

i agree with das

[PurplePotatoes]

I'm all for gay marriage. Banning gay marriage isn't going to stop people from being gay. To me, it's just a modern day act of bigotry. I think that being gay isn't always a choice and possibly genetic, maybe there's a chemical imbalance in the brain, whatever.. It's genetic that most men are attracted to women, so why can't it be genetic to be attracted to the same sex? I don't care if two gay people get married, but I don't think they should be second class citizens. If we ban gay marriage, I think it should be acceptable to show prejudism to gays. Either way, stopping gay marriage won't stop homosexuality. Violent protests wouldn't be acceptable today because they would be seen as Unamerican acts and acts of Terrorism. We need a gay version of Malcom X? Hell yes.

Das, with a view like yours, I hope you don't believe in premarital sex, which is more disgusting than homosexual intercourse to me. Oral sex is disgusting too, it's just as bad as premarital sex. Instead of having sex for a child, you're getting the pleasure as you would from sex, but have no chance in having a child. This is considered sinful in some religions as far as I know.

[hempheadjack]

adam and eve,,not adam and adam,,but ok how about eve and eve and me

[Buck268]

From my moral standpoint I see homosexuality as wrong. But this is America, and if you think its cool then good for you, aint my business, you know? And no, I don't "hate" on gays, at all. Just sick of having to embrace homosexuality.

That said, I don't see how gay marriage is even an issue. Marriage is a religious union between a man and a woman, as stated in holy writings. How this involves the government, and how th government can say who is or is not your partner is beyond me.

[hempheadjack]

my honest opinion and freedom of speech,,forget the eve and eve joke,,,fucking fags and queers move to lepord island,and take your stupid dykes with you,,there,,i feel better,,,,

[BuD MaN]

fuckin homophobics...grow a brain. You's think your betta than them coz their different. Theres a thing called discrimination, but no...America fought a war against Nazis but struggled to overcome the same things their fighting against. American society has still alot to overcome and its people like you who contribute to that.

[Lulu]

http://www.angelfire.com/home/leah/

Points In Defense of Gay Marriage

Gay marriage should be legalized in the United States. Gay couples are denied significant rights when they are not allowed to marry, and this results in injustices. The arguments against the legalization of same-sex marriage do not merit the legal support of the state, since the state's job is not to promote popular morality or opinion, but the rights of its citizens.


* Rights denied to committed gay couples:

The General Accounting Office of the Federal Government in 1997, in a 75 page brief prepared for the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee enumerated some 1,049 laws giving rights to married heterosexual couples (http://www.marriageequality.com/facts/index.htm). These rights are denied to gay couples. In an Editorial from March of 2000, the New Jersey Law Journal gives some examples of rights denied to committed same-sex couples(1). â??Same sex couples who are prohibited from marrying are excluded from a panoply of legal benefits specifically tied to legally recognized marriage: for example, access to a spouse's medical, life and disability insurance; hospital visitation and medical decision-making privilegesâ?¦ workers' compensation survivor benefits; spousal benefits under annuity and retirement plansâ?¦the right to refuse to testify against one's spouseâ?¦â?� and many others. These ins
tances of discrimination based on the preference for legally married couples effect many people negatively when they least expect it. Unmarried heterosexual couples, however, have the option of being legally married. Same-sex couples have no such recourse.


* The Legal Precedent and the Constitutional Case:

The closest parallel in our legal history to the debate over gay marriage has been the miscegenation laws of the 1950â??s (Interracial Marriages in America). These laws prevented interracial marriages between whites and blacks. Hannah Arendt, a journalist and intellectual of the â??50â??s and â??60â??s, as quoted by Andrew Sullivan in â??Why civil union isn't marriage,â?� (2) argued against the miscegenation laws, saying, â??The right to marry whoever one wishes is an elementary human right compared to which the right to attend an integrated school, the right to sit where one pleases on a bus, the right to go into any hotel or recreation area or place of amusement, regardless of one's skin or color or race are minor indeed. Even political rights, like the right to vote, and nearly all other rights enumerated in the Constitution, are secondary to the inalienable human rights to `life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' ... and to this category the right to home and marriage unquestionably belongs.â?� Sullivan, senior editor at the New Republic, goes on to say, â??Would any heterosexual in America believe he had a right to pursue happiness if he could not marry the person he loved? What would be more objectionable to most people â?? to be denied a vote in the next presidential election or to no longer have legal custody over their child or legal attachment to their wife or husband? Not a close call.â?� This being said, can we deny that the right to marriage - to whomever one might choose - is constitutionally guaranteed?

Keeping gay marriage illegal also violates the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment. According to the American Civil Liberties Union in 1996, (3) â??The law [against same-sex marriage] discriminates on the basis of sex because it makes one's ability to marry depend on one's gender.â?� The ACLU goes on to say, â??Classifications which discriminate on the basis of gender must be substantially related to some important government purposeâ?¦tradition by itself is not an important government purpose. If it were, sex discrimination would be quite permissible; discrimination against women has a pedigree in tradition at least as long and time honored as that of discrimination against same-sex couples in marriage.â?�

Nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution is preservation of tradition cited as a power or intention of our government. There is no constitutional basis for denying gay couples marriage, and every constitutional reason why our government should actively pursue legalizing gay marriage in order to give gay men and lesbians their rights as equal citizens of the United States and to ensure their inalienable right to the pursuit of happiness that every American is guaranteed. Our government's purpose is to defend the rights of the people, and in this instance our government has undoubtedly failed in its duties.
At one time it was considered perverted and unnatural for black and white people to want to marry each other. Despite protests from the prejudiced, the Supreme Court defended the rights of the people. Now who would say that a black and a white should not be allowed to marry? It would be considered the height of bad taste and racial prejudice. I am confident that after gay marriage is legalized, it will soon be considered just as prejudiced to say that they should not have that right as it is today to say that different races should not marry.

Some responses to anti-gay marriage arguments:

* One of the first claims that seems to come up when gay marriage is discussed is that homosexual relations/relationships are not biologically natural. Same-sex couples cannot naturally produce children through their union.

"Consider this. If there is a necessary link between marriage and procreation, strange consequences would follow. A state could and, to be consistent, should prohibit marriage in which one or both partners are sterile or impotent. If procreation is the essential goal of marriage, why should postmenopausal women be allowed to marry? Surely, discrimination against sterile, impotent, or aged couples would be unacceptable to citizens of many different perspectives. The rationale would be that marriage serves functions that are as important as, if not more important than, procreation, including interpersonal commitment, religious or moral expression, sexual satisfaction, and the legal entitlements associated with spousehood. If elderly, sterile, or impotent couples cannot be denied the right to marry because of a traditional link between marriage and procreation, neither can lesbian or gay couples be denied the right for that type of reason." (4)

* Another popular argument is that allowing gays to marry will further degrade the already struggling institution of marriage.

â??As conservatives tirelessly and rightly point out, marriage is societyâ??s most fundamental institution. To bar any class of people from marrying as they choose is an extraordinary deprivation. When not so long ago it was illegal in parts of America for blacks to marry whites, no one could claim that this was a trivial disenfranchisementâ?¦ To outweigh such a serious claim it is not enough to say that gay marriage might lead to bad things. Bad things happened as a result of legalizing contraception, but that did not make it the wrong thing to do. Besides, it seems doubtful that extending marriage to say, another 3 or 5 percent of the population would have anything like the effects that no-fault divorce has had, to say nothing of contraception. By now, the â??traditionalâ?� understanding of marriage has been sullied in all kinds of ways. It is hard to think of a bigger affront to tradition for instance, than allowing married women to own property independently of their husbands or allowing them to charge their husbands with rape. Surely it is unfair to say that marriage may be reformed for the sake of anyone and everyone except homosexuals, who must respect the dictates of tradition.â?�(5)

* Appeals to the tradition of marriage are illogical.

The appeal to tradition in denial of gay marriage rights has many inconsistencies. E.J. Graff, author of What is Marriage For? in 1996 points out many of them. He says â??Very little about marriage is historically consistent enough to be 'traditional.' That it involves two people? Then forget the patriarch Jacob, whose two wives and two concubines produced the heads of the twelve tribes. That it involves a religious blessing? Not early Christian marriages, before marriage was a sacrament. That it is recognized by law? Forget centuries of European prole â??marriagesâ?� conducted outside the law, in which no property was involved. That itâ??s about love, not money? So much for centuries of negotiation about medieval estates, bride-price, morning gift and dowry (not to mention bride-burnings in todayâ??s India).â?� (6) Every appeal to tradition in preservation of the present marriage laws falls into the same pit of illogically. Marriage has been different in each society throughout the ages and throughout the history of the United States.

* Even some conservatives advocate the inclusion of gays in the marriage institution.

Mark Strasser, Professor of Law at Capital University in 1999, along with many self-proclaimed conservative advocates of gay marriage, argues that allowing gays to marry would increase stability in gay relationships and discourage promiscuity in the gay population. He says, â??State interests in the recognition and promotion of marriage include the promotion of stability, the limitation of the disorganized breakdown of relations, and the provision of a home for the production and rearing of children.â?� (7) You can't accuse gays of being promiscuous, if you won't allow them access to an institution that, amoung other things, works to limit promiscuity in society.

* Many people, trying to be tolerant, say that gays should have an institution for defining their partnerships legally, but they don't want gays to be included in what they see as the heterosexual-only institution of marriage. They want gay marriage to be called something else, just to define it as different. Here's the problem with the 'civil union' approach:

In Vermont a court recently legalized not marriage for gays, but a â??civil unionâ?� which affords same-sex couples all the rights and privileges of married couples, but without calling it â??marriage.â?� While I applaud Vermontâ??s court system for this step in the right direction, a new institution for gay couples is not the answer. It simply affirms their second-class status in American society. In the Supreme Court case Brown vs. The Board of Education, the policy of â??separate but equalâ?� with regard to race was struck down as being unconstitutional, because separate can never be equal. Creating a separate institution for gay couples is just as unequal and unconstitutional as creating separate institutions for blacks and whites.

* Some claim that gay people are not being discriminated against in any way. The argument often sounds like this: Gay people are allowed to marry--they're allowed to marry people of the opposite gender.

In response to this argument I refer you again to the words of Andrew Sullivan (2): â??Would any heterosexual in America believe he had a right to pursue happiness if he could not marry the person he loved? What would be more objectionable to most people â?? to be denied a vote in the next presidential election or to no longer have legal custody over their child or legal attachment to their wife or husband?" In America we are granted, as an unalienable right, the right to pursue our happiness. If we tell gay people that the only people they can marry are those they aren't attracted to or can't love romantically, then we are violating this right.

* One of the better, less bigotted arguments against gay marriage is that the advantages that go along with legal marriage are not a right, but a reward given by our government for behavior it approves of.

Our government was set up from the very beginning, as an institution whose goal was the preservation of the rights of its citizens. Nowhere in either the constitution or the declaration of independence is there outlined a governmental responsibility or power to reward behaviors the government or the masses like. Our governmentâ??s job is to protect the rights of all of us, including those of us that are gay, not to uphold the irrational prejudices of the masses, as it is doing in this case. It is the governmentâ??s responsibility not to uphold in this case the prejudiced will of the people, no matter how much of a majority they constitute (and it's growing smaller every day folks) but to defend the rights of its people. Period.

* The concept of gays, even committed gay couples, raising children seems to be anathema to many people.

There has never been any evidence that children of gay couples (either biological or adopted) are harmed by their environment. In many cases these children seem to be more well adjusted than their "normally" raised counterparts. From T. Richard Sullivan, PhD affiliated with the School of Social Work, University of British Columbia, and Albert Baques, social worker with the B.C. Ministry for Children and Families, 1999 we learn that â??The assumption that a gay and lesbian orientation is anathema to child rearing reflects homophobia and the idealization of a particular family structure that is assumed to be morally superiorâ?¦[In fact though, research shows that]no differences in well-being and normative functioning have been found between children reared by heterosexuals and those raised by lesbian or gay parents. 'The fear that children raised by homosexuals will grow up to be lesbian or gay suggests that it would be awful if that were the case. In order to prove that they are worthy parents, lesbians and gay men have had to prove that they are not likely to raise children who will grow up to be like them' (Benkov). This despite the fact that studies of over 300 offspring of gay or lesbian parents in twelve different samples have indicated no evidence of significant disturbances in the development of sexual identity.â?� (8)

In addition, common evidence that children of gay couples are healthy and normal is that they grow up to lead heterosexual lifestyles. What if you told a Christian couple that it was bad if their children grew up to be Christians? I doubt that would go over very well. But this is what gay couples are told every day. The only way their children can be normal, can prove that their parents haven't harmed them, is if they grow up to lead a heterosexual lifestyle. Granted, many gay couples would never wish their struggles against prejudice on their children, but telling them that if their children grow up to be like them they are horrible parents--I call that a subtle form of psychological torture.

The other problem with assuming that heterosexual households are the superior environment for raising children is this: "[Gay couples and their children] present family units many in our society believe to be outside the mainstream of American family life. The reality, however, is that most children today do not live in so-called "traditional"â?¦families with a stay-at-home mother and a father who works from 9:00 to 5:00. According to Bureau of Census statistics, twenty-five percent of children today are born out-of-wedlock to single women, mostly young, minority, and impoverished; half of all marriages end in divorce; and married couples with children now make up only twenty-six percent of United States households. It is unrealistic to pretend that children can only be successfully reared in an idealized concept of family, the product of nostalgia for a time long past." (9)

Again, there is a conservative argument in favor of allowing gay couples to not only raise their own children without interferance, but to adopt children. Mark Strasser, Professor of Law at Capital University in 1999 argues: â??same-sex couples are having and raising children, even if those children are not produced though their union. Indeed, some states recognize both members of same-sex couples as the legal parents of the same child, precisely because this will promote the best interests of that child. Thus, some commentatorsâ?? claims notwithstanding, the stateâ??s interest in assuring that children will have a healthy, supportive environment in which to thrive militates in favor of the recognition of same-sex marriage rather than against it.â?� (7)

[Euphoric]

i think everyone's opinons are equal (including this one).

[Euphoric]

1. Right vs. privilege: Gay activists talk about the "right" to get married. Yet in the next sentence they talk about obtaining a marriage license. Marriage is a privilege, not a right. Therefore, the state must have a standard for issuing a license. We don't give a license to anyone who wants to drive a car. You must know basic information and demonstrate an ability to drive. We don't grant a medical license to just anyone. Someone must demonstrate a level of competence. Marriage isn't a right, it is a privilege that the state can and should regulate.

2. Devalues marriage: Giving same-sex couples the right to marry devalues true marriage. Imagine if at the next awards ceremony, everyone received an award. Would anyone value the award if everyone received one? Any adult is permitted to marry another adult of the opposite sex. But you can't marry a child, you can't marry a blood relative, you can't marry someone already married, you can't marry someone of the same sex.

3. Basic biology: Homosexual relations deny the self-evident truth that male and female bodies complement each other. Human sexuality and procreation is based upon a man and a woman coming together as one flesh. Marriage between a man and a woman promotes procreation and makes intimate sexual activity orderly and socially accountable.

4. Public health: Homosexual sex is dangerous and destructive to the human body. The International Journal of Epidemiology reports that the life expectancy at age 20 for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 10 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, researchers estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently 20 years of age will not reach their 65th birthday.

5. Counterfeit: Arbitrarily granting a marriage license to a same-sex couple doesn't constitute marriage. It is a counterfeit of true marriage. It is like trying to tape two same-sex electrical plugs together to form an electrical current.

6. Monogamy/fidelity: Same-sex marriage will not be monogamous. One lesbian writer calls gay marriage "monogamy without fidelity." Another homosexual columnist writes of "a broader understanding of commitment." A recent Dutch study found that homosexual relationships last, on average, about 1-1/2 years and that men in those relationships have an average of eight partners per year outside their main partnership.

7. Children: Marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal family unit. It promotes procreation and ensures the benefits of child rearing by the distinct attributes of both father and mother. Two research papers by Timothy Dailey for Family Research Council (Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk and Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse) document concerns about children raised in gay marriages.

9. Majority rule: A recent poll by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that public opposition to gay marriage is increasing. In July, 53 percent opposed same-sex marriage. By October 59 percent were opposed to same-sex marriage.

10. Popular vote: States legislatures have already spoken to the issue of same-sex marriages. Thirty-seven states have already passed a Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) stating that marriage is between a man and a woman. In 1996 Congress also passed a national DOMA.

11. Religion: The Bible teaches that homosexuality is not natural and is wrong (Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). Other religions also concur with this judgment.

12. Emotional: Gays and lesbians are relationally broken people. Just as in heterosexual marriage, two broken people cannot produce a whole, healthy unit. However, heterosexuals can get help for their brokenness and repair the relationship, but the relationships of homosexual couples are intrinsically and irreparably flawed.

http://www.probe.org/docs/samesex-pts.html

[Lulu]

1. Right vs. privilege: Gay activists talk about the "right" to get married. Yet in the next sentence they talk about obtaining a marriage license. Marriage is a privilege, not a right. Therefore, the state must have a standard for issuing a license. We don't give a license to anyone who wants to drive a car. You must know basic information and demonstrate an ability to drive. We don't grant a medical license to just anyone. Someone must demonstrate a level of competence. Marriage isn't a right, it is a privilege that the state can and should regulate.

If marriage is a privilege it's one that's awarded to all hetrosexuals (of consentual age) - what basic information and ability do they have possess? The ability to perform sexual intercourse??? Not even that, it's not like they make you sit a test.


2. Devalues marriage: Giving same-sex couples the right to marry devalues true marriage. Imagine if at the next awards ceremony, everyone received an award. Would anyone value the award if everyone received one? Any adult is permitted to marry another adult of the opposite sex. But you can't marry a child, you can't marry a blood relative, you can't marry someone already married, you can't marry someone of the same sex.

People have been devaluing marriage forever, divorce rates show that.
You can't marry a child because we have age of consent laws to protect children.
Marrying a close blood relative is incestuous but depending on the closeness there are exceptions made.
Marrying someone who is already married is Bigomy.


3. Basic biology: Homosexual relations deny the self-evident truth that male and female bodies complement each other. Human sexuality and procreation is based upon a man and a woman coming together as one flesh. Marriage between a man and a woman promotes procreation and makes intimate sexual activity orderly and socially accountable.

Male and female bodies are compatible for intercourse to conceive children.
Procreation doesn't need promotion.
Who wants "orderly" sexual activity ??? ~lol~
I know plenty of married couples who are socially unaccountable.


4. Public health: Homosexual sex is dangerous and destructive to the human body. The International Journal of Epidemiology reports that the life expectancy at age 20 for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 10 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, researchers estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently 20 years of age will not reach their 65th birthday.

I never heard that before - provide documented proof
I would have thought that homosexuals had more to fear from random acts of homophobic violence.


5. Counterfeit: Arbitrarily granting a marriage license to a same-sex couple doesn't constitute marriage. It is a counterfeit of true marriage. It is like trying to tape two same-sex electrical plugs together to form an electrical current.

Granting a marriage license to anybody doesn't constitute a marriage. Two people coming together in love and respect is what constitutes a marriage.


6. Monogamy/fidelity: Same-sex marriage will not be monogamous. One lesbian writer calls gay marriage "monogamy without fidelity." Another homosexual columnist writes of "a broader understanding of commitment." A recent Dutch study found that homosexual relationships last, on average, about 1-1/2 years and that men in those relationships have an average of eight partners per year outside their main partnership.

Hetrosexual marriages are not guaranteed to be monogamous either. My sister in-law has been with her partner for 20years - you can't generalise about people in that way.


7. Children: Marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal family unit. It promotes procreation and ensures the benefits of child rearing by the distinct attributes of both father and mother. Two research papers by Timothy Dailey for Family Research Council (Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk and Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse) document concerns about children raised in gay marriages.

The ideal family unit is one where children are raised in love and safety, whether that be with same sex parents, hetro parents, grandparents, whoever.


9. Majority rule: A recent poll by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that public opposition to gay marriage is increasing. In July, 53 percent opposed same-sex marriage. By October 59 percent were opposed to same-sex marriage.

Terrible isn't it
Where's the love, the compassion, the tolerance????? :(
Who raised these people??? :rolleyes: :p


10. Popular vote: States legislatures have already spoken to the issue of same-sex marriages. Thirty-seven states have already passed a Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) stating that marriage is between a man and a woman. In 1996 Congress also passed a national DOMA.

Hopefully things will change.


11. Religion: The Bible teaches that homosexuality is not natural and is wrong (Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). Other religions also concur with this judgment.

I can't be arsed to answer this tired old 'pull outta the bag as needed' crap.


12. Emotional: Gays and lesbians are relationally broken people. Just as in heterosexual marriage, two broken people cannot produce a whole, healthy unit. However, heterosexuals can get help for their brokenness and repair the relationship, but the relationships of homosexual couples are intrinsically and irreparably flawed.

Intrinsically and irreparably flawed eh?
Widespread discrimination and generalisations are always helpful :rolleyes:

[Torog]

im from massachusettes where gay marriage is legal im not gay but i support there right to marry.
what do you think.......for it
against it
care less
states right
for a constitutional ban
Howdy juggalo420,

I'm against gay marriage and I believe that there needs to be a Constitutional ban,in order to protect us from activist,liberal judges. Being a conservative Christian and a strong believer in traditional family values,is another degree of opposition that I have against gay marriage. The most I would accede to-is a civil union.

Gays don't reproduce,they recruit..which is why America's children,are under assault from them and are being exploited sexually in our schools,in order to promote the homosexual agenda,part of which,I believe,is to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child,because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is. There are schools,where children of kindergarden age,have been subjected to sessions of sexual education,which consisted of teaching the children how to masturbate and explore the world of oral sex,older children have also been 'taught',the fine art of fisting.

I believe that the natural progression of a gay agenda,to secure marriage rights,will also lead to other sexual perverts demanding 'rights' as well..such as pedophiles,the incestuous and bestialists. They all have several things in common,they 'recruit',entice and seduce-their partners and they all want to ban Christianity and any other religion,that bans their favorite form of perversion. In several countries around the world,like Saudi Arabia,where I worked once,homosexuality is a crime punishable by death..why is it that homosexuals aren't condemning Islam ?

Homosexuals,constitute a fraction of the populace,yet they demand that all of society and religious faith-change to suit their twisted desires. Homosexuals are driven by desire and impulse..which is why few are faithful,and most are promiscuous to a deadly fault..with deadly consequences for everyone..in the form of STD's and Aids.

[Lulu]

Gays don't reproduce,they recruit..which is why America's children,are under assault from them and are being exploited sexually in our schools,in order to promote the homosexual agenda,part of which,I believe,is to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child,because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is.

Are you saying homosexuals are just same sex paedophiles? because I find that remark deeply offensive :eek:


There are schools,where children of kindergarden age,have been subjected to sessions of sexual education,which consisted of teaching the children how to masturbate and explore the world of oral sex,older children have also been 'taught',the fine art of fisting.

Show me where. Have you have proof that this has happened :confused:



They all have several things in common,they 'recruit',entice and seduce-their partners and they all want to ban Christianity and any other religion,that bans their favorite form of perversion.

I know plenty of Christians in the gay community ~ whether their chosen Religion acknowledges them openly or not.



I believe that the natural progression of a gay agenda,to secure marriage rights,will also lead to other sexual perverts demanding 'rights' as well..such as pedophiles,the incestuous and bestialists.

There you go again :rolleyes: Just because a person is gay doesn't make him/her a paedophile. A homosexual is a person attracted to someone of the same sex. A paedophile is someone who preys on children for their own sexual fullfilment. Just because you're trying to lump the two together doesn't make it so. I know plenty of sexually abused people (myself included) most of the ones I know are women who were abused men - not women who were abused by women. A paedolphile is a danger to children. A homosexual in a same sex consentual relationship with another adult isn't.


Homosexuals are driven by desire and impulse..which is why few are faithful,and most are promiscuous to a deadly fault..with deadly consequences for everyone..in the form of STD's and Aids.

Aids and STD's are as much a problem for the hetrosexual as for the gay community.

[Torog]

Are you saying homosexuals are just same sex paedophiles? because I find that remark deeply offensive :eek:

Howdy LuLu,

I apologize for offending you,I was being too harsh and judgemental,I would like to believe that I'm wrong..I have a big chip on my shoulder towards gays,because my 5 year old daughter,was sexually assaulted by a bi-sexual paedophile. I know that it's wrong for me to judge all gays by the actions of one..but I can't help myself and I still struggle with the forgiveness that must take place..that was almost 20 years ago.



Show me where. Have you have proof that this has happened :confused:

Well..I know that there's big criminal investigation in Massachusetts,because of improper sex-ed classes run by homosexuals,and that there's a case or two,in California..if not more.




I know plenty of Christians in the gay community ~ whether their chosen Religion acknowledges them openly or not.

You're right-there openly gay Christians..I wish them the best.




There you go again :rolleyes: Just because a person is gay doesn't make him/her a paedophile. A homosexual is a person attracted to someone of the same sex. A paedophile is someone who preys on children for their own sexual fullfilment. Just because you're trying to lump the two together doesn't make it so. I know plenty of sexually abused people (myself included) most of the ones I know are women who were abused men - not women who were abused by women. A paedolphile is a danger to children. A homosexual in a same sex consentual relationship with another adult isn't.

Once again,I apologize..it's wrong of me to declare all homosexuals,as being attracted to children,I'm certain that there are many gays who do not prefer children..teens and young adults however,is another matter.



Aids and STD's are as much a problem for the hetrosexual as for the gay community.
The rate of incidence for STD's and Aids,is higher for gays,because of the proportional ratio,and higher degree of promiscouity and infidelity.

Homosexual Urban Legends - The Series (http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/)

The above,is a link to a site that has many things related to this discussion.

Have a good one...Torog

[Lulu]

I think they are some things we've just gotta agree to disagree on.

I'm sorry that your daughter was preyed upon by that creature but he's a paedophile first and foremost. I was targeted by a married relative with children of his own but I don't believe that all men are abusers.

We have to get away from generalising and discriminating against whole because of the actions of a poisonous few.

I wish you and yours all the best.

Lulu xx :)

[Torog]

I think they are some things we've just gotta agree to disagree on.

I'm sorry that your daughter was preyed upon by that creature but he's a paedophile first and foremost. I was targeted by a married relative with children of his own but I don't believe that all men are abusers.

We have to get away from generalising and discriminating against whole because of the actions of a poisonous few.

I wish you and yours all the best.

Lulu xx :)
Howdy LuLu,

Thanx for your kind words..I agree-that we should just agree to disagree on certain subjects..but that shouldn't keep us from discussing things..because sorting out our feelings and beliefs..is a good thing.

I wish the best for you and yours as well..Have a good one...Torog:)

[GHoSToKeR]

Gays don't reproduce,they recruit..which is why America's children,are under assault from them and are being exploited sexually in our schools,in order to promote the homosexual agenda,part of which,I believe,is to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child,because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is.
i cant believe you actually believe that

[Torog]

i cant believe you actually believe that
Howdy Ghost,

It was difficult for me to believe at first-until I read actual reports of California teachers trying to educate kindergarden-age children,how to masturbate,explore same-sex relationships and the intricacies of oral sex..done without a parents permission or knowledge. I don't believe that all gays advocate this approach to usurping parental authority and coercing tolerance,however-the radical gay activists believe that the ends justify the means..it is they ,whom I am opposed to..as both a father and a Christian.

Have a good one...Torog

[GHoSToKeR]

"California teachers trying to educate kindergarden-age children,how to masturbate,explore same-sex relationships and the intricacies of oral sex..done without a parents permission or knowledge"

Maybe that is true, but I dont believe that it has anything to do with homosexuals, or the gay marriage debate. Linking homosexuality with that issue is just an attempt to muddy the water - either by you or whoever you heard that from.

The way I see it, Torog, is that gay marriages dont HURT anyone.. If they want to do it then who are we to judge? It is none of our business, yours or mine! And also, just because some people think it is wrong, doesnt mean it should be banned!! If that was the case, then cars would be banned because some people dont like to use them; cigarettes would be banned because some people dont like to smoke; the colour red would be banned because some people prefer blue.... do you see what I mean? just because you dont agree with it, doesnt mean its your choice to say if it should be allowed or not.. im not trying to have a go at you, just trying to make you see my point of view.

-GHoST-

:)

[hempheadjack]

fuck this shit,,i was raped by 3 fucking queers at gunpoint in the milatary,,ever sence then,,they are fags and queers and sick indaviduals like dykes and lesbos,,get the fuck off this planet you fucking queers and lesbos,,remember freedom of speech people,,dont deny my right

[GHoSToKeR]

i know a girl that got raped by a straight male.. actually, i know more than one girl that has been raped by straight guys. That doesnt mean that all straight guys are rapists, does it? im sorry to hear about what happened to you, hempheadack, its awful.. but just because of that one terrible event, you cant call all homosexuals rapists...

[hempheadjack]

i am not sorry,,i have the ability to say and vent my freedom of speech,,you dont have to understand or give compassion at all ,,i dont need shit,,it happened to me not you,,,with that said,,im done,,thank you,,

[Euphoric]

Howdy juggalo420,

I'm against gay marriage and I believe that there needs to be a Constitutional ban,in order to protect us from activist,liberal judges. Being a conservative Christian and a strong believer in traditional family values,is another degree of opposition that I have against gay marriage. The most I would accede to-is a civil union.

Gays don't reproduce,they recruit..which is why America's children,are under assault from them and are being exploited sexually in our schools,in order to promote the homosexual agenda,part of which,I believe,is to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child,because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is. There are schools,where children of kindergarden age,have been subjected to sessions of sexual education,which consisted of teaching the children how to masturbate and explore the world of oral sex,older children have also been 'taught',the fine art of fisting.

I believe that the natural progression of a gay agenda,to secure marriage rights,will also lead to other sexual perverts demanding 'rights' as well..such as pedophiles,the incestuous and bestialists. They all have several things in common,they 'recruit',entice and seduce-their partners and they all want to ban Christianity and any other religion,that bans their favorite form of perversion. In several countries around the world,like Saudi Arabia,where I worked once,homosexuality is a crime punishable by death..why is it that homosexuals aren't condemning Islam ?

Homosexuals,constitute a fraction of the populace,yet they demand that all of society and religious faith-change to suit their twisted desires. Homosexuals are driven by desire and impulse..which is why few are faithful,and most are promiscuous to a deadly fault..with deadly consequences for everyone..in the form of STD's and Aids.

holy shit i actually agree with torog on this one
:eek:

lulu you said "I know plenty of Christians in the gay community ~ whether their chosen Religion acknowledges them openly or not." yea there are a bunch of them, which i dont understand because, well, according to their own rules they're going to "hell". whats up with that exactly? maybe someone can explain that to me because i have been wondering about that one. my only solution is that they dont take their religon seriously :confused:
but whatever lets all smoke a phat blunt :cool:

[Euphoric]

i know a girl that got raped by a straight male.. actually, i know more than one girl that has been raped by straight guys. That doesnt mean that all straight guys are rapists, does it? im sorry to hear about what happened to you, hempheadack, its awful.. but just because of that one terrible event, you cant call all homosexuals rapists...

he didnt call them rapists he called them..er.."sick indaviduals" :D for the record

[TheKizzy]

Yup I agree fuck all queers, faggots, bull dykes, everything that has to do with that sick fuckin' society, should be put on an island in the middle of the ocean so no heterosexual person needs to even accomodate such sickness. They are sick individuals, predators who prey on each other = aids, std's, god damn what has our country come to...

[GHoSToKeR]

i cant believe im hearing this same bullshit from so many people

gay people arent the "sick" people.. youre the fucking "sick" people, for being such prejudice fucks. this shit has pissed me off

[hempheadjack]

after the sick indaviduals raped me,they told me they were going to kill me if i opened my mouth and turned them in,,,i never did untill 2 yrs ago,,i finally was able to talk about it, ( happened1976,),,i have a son,,now a new girlfriend with 3 kids,,i am a asshole when it comes to careing for my kids,they are so much protected by me,,i will not allow them to go to mall,movies,i pick them up,drop them off at school,,i tell them not to trust anybody when away from house,,keep with 2 or more and parent with no matter what,,they no how i feel and i try not to let them name sling like i do but it is real hard ,,i was going to be killed after being raped,,luckilly i was so scared at that young age 16 when i went in,,i lied about my age fore 4 months before finally being able to go into boot camp,,but i was listed a g-man now,,i had the world to look at,,then sick fucks like queers who never had a real piece in there lives,,came along and did that to me,,ill go to my grave being a fag and dyke hater,,i know the real them,,,they are sick and perveted fucks,,my freedom of speech and opinion

[maryjanemama]

The way I look at it, 50-60% of straight ppl who get married end up divorced. With more than half of us fucking it up, we are in no postion to judge who should be able to marry. Just my opinion.

[PurplePotatoes]

The rate of Aids is higher in gays because they can't get pregnant, so they don't use protection. If people are gonna be gay, I don't mind, it won't change my life. But not letting them get married will make them second class citizens. If there is a constitutional ban on gay marriage, I WILL be a straight up, blatent homophobe. If I see two gay men together, I will scream "Get the fuck out of here you faggots!" and throw bibles at them. I will celebrate Matthew Shepards death. I will start an agenda against men who are cheerleaders. I will become the biggest bigot towards gay people possible. I will seriously have given up all hope if gay marriage is banned. People get married for no reason, marriage is NOT sacred anymore. Religion does not show a role in most people's sexual lives and lives in general, otherwise wouldn't you think most people would save their virginity till marriage? Wouldn't the divorce rate be lower? If religion was apart of peoples lives, why would we sin so much? I wish I was religious, so my life wouldn't seem so scary. But if you really believe in heaven, WHY would you risk it by commiting so many god damn sins?

Some of you people make me sick. Hempheadjack, I can understand why you hate them, and I do think that is a good enough reason to hate them. Although, not all gays are of the violent nature. Just like how all blacks really don't smoke crack or are bad parents.

[hempheadjack]

well said,and also gald to say i agree with you 100 percent on all all all,one ,more thing,,when growing up,a marrige was a man and woman,,kids,,no divorce,,our family is cath,,we did not believe in divorice,,we tried to work it out,,,we went to hell in a hand basket,,i speak for my opinion only,,

[ravedave420]

holy shit i actually agree with torog on this one
:eek:

lulu you said "I know plenty of Christians in the gay community ~ whether their chosen Religion acknowledges them openly or not." yea there are a bunch of them, which i dont understand because, well, according to their own rules they're going to "hell". whats up with that exactly? maybe someone can explain that to me because i have been wondering about that one. my only solution is that they dont take their religon seriously :confused:
but whatever lets all smoke a phat blunt :cool:

Hey all...Im not gay, but i do believe in gay marriage. i have done a ton of research and written a few papers about it for school. for the record i am also catholic. the catholic church does not agree with gay marriage, but that does not mean that in order to be a catholic you must disagree with gay marriage. the statement issued by the church was just that-a statement. it was NOT doctrine (catholic doctrine has been added to only 2ce in the past 100 years). because it was a statement and not doctrine, it is more or less optional. this is hard for conservative catholics to swallow, but the church supports a practice called "responsible dissent" which is where someone can choose to disagree with certian catholic points of view as long as those disagreements do not interfere with the axioms of the catholic church.

the main thing i keep coming back to is that i dont really think we have the right to say whether or not someone has the "right" to get married. i am of the opinion that marriage ought to be given to those who vhemently want it, not just straight people. if people are in love, why not get married?

for those who say that it is against biological stuff, so is oral, anal, masterbation, using a condom or birth control, etc. these violate the philosophy of aristotle called telos, which says that something is most like itself when it is doing what it was meant to do. for instance, a knife is most knife like when it is cutting something. in the same way, a sperm is most spermy when it is fertelizing an egg. by having oral, anal, masterbating or having gay sex, it is all not letting the sperm do what they were meant to do. so if you are against gay marriage for that reason, you are being hypocritical if you engage in any of that, condoms included.

for those who say that gay marriage is not right because it ruins the institution of marriage, i do not agree. i see no way that having a loving set of parents will make a child grow up tramatized. i see the point that a healthy home needs both a male and a female for balance, but that is not true. think about single parents. not all kids of single parents come out fucked up. in addition, nearly 60% of hetero marriages end in divorce, thrusting a child into a broken home, which i think would be less desirable than having a love from aset of dads or moms. (that is just a guess-im from a "traditional family")

i guess im just more liberal on this than a lotta people are. but i think we should all chill out with the derrogatory remarks. please remember that the original question was not asking for you opinion of gay PEOPLE, it was asking about gay marriage. lets not loose the forrest through the tress. chill out, inform yourself, back your arguments up, and smoke a bowl. :cool:

[ravedave420]

doubble posting suck, im sorry, but i forgot to add that i dont understand why people are talking about it ruining marriage and people will get married for no reason. no they wont...people have gotten married do get married and will continue to get married out of love, and i say why stop love? allowing gay marriage wont make people get married that dont want to, it will allow those who are in love a chance to express it, just like you and i.

also, not allowing gays to marry is actually more unconstitutional because it denies them about 300 rights that married coupples have. for instance, an unmarried gay coupple pay more in taxes, do not get certian healthcare breaks, they pay more for heath insurance than married coupplesetc. there are tons of other example but i forgot. look em up, its astounding!

anyone with comments can email me at [email protected]
i love talking about this because i think it is an important subject that we all should be familar with, whether we agree or not.

dave :cool:

[PurplePotatoes]

Rave Dave, I agree with you.

Also, I'm not gay, but I'm just really disappointed that we REALLY are considering banning gay marriage. This singles out a race of people, and takes away their rights, and we're adding it TO THE CONSTITUITION. I can unstand that maybe certain chapels won't marry gays, but this is the Constitution. The Constitution is supposed to protect our rights, not limit them. Back in the day, the Federalists saw no need for the Bill Of Rights, since the Constitution protected the people's rights.

And to HempHeadJack, what if certain people are raped at a young age by straight people and that made them turn gay? Would them being gay bother you? I know it's hard to trust homosexuals after that, since there really isn't that many of them, and homosexuality is not completely understood, but try to understand the person's background before you try to judge someone, which you may not be a judgemental person at all, but it's just food for thought.

[hempheadjack]

anybody that gets raped at gunpoint by other men of your own service or woman at that fact,,well i just cant explain enough on what i feel,,hope it never happens to anyone ever ,,i can forgive but not forget,,thats what sucks,,big doobies to all,,

[ravedave420]

Hey Potatoes. I agree with your first point. I too am a constitutional purtist. we have really only had 17 ammendment to the constitution since the late 1700's (because i dont really count the bill of rights - i see them as part of the constitution because they were necessary for it to get ratified in the first place.) these 17 ammendments are there to protect our rights, and i think that by adding ammendments *excuse the phrase* "willy0nilly" will in escence water down the validity of the constitution. our country is as strong as it is because her have adhered to the guidlines set in place by brilliant men over 200 years ago. look at other countries if you need proof: there are scores of central- and south american countries that have a constitution, but it has been added to and changed so much that there is no respect for it and therefore also for the government. we need to keep it pure for it to be valid.

and to hemphead...it sounds like you arent really asking for sympathy, and i understand that. know that those or us who are in favor of expanding the rights of gays are not doing so for the reason that we like to see people get hurt. on the contrary-we (i should speak for myself,) I believe that by keeping gay marriage banned we are hurting far FAR more people than we are helping. gust a guess, but i imagine that if gays are allowed to marry, the instances of assult and whatnot will likely go down, because theoretically, this action of allowing gays to marry would make it be more accepted. maybe then heterosexuals will be less likely to assult homosexuals, and vice versa. im all about freedom, equality, tollerence.

[NowhereMan]

i cant believe im hearing this same bullshit from so many people

gay people arent the "sick" people.. youre the fucking "sick" people, for being such prejudice fucks. this shit has pissed me off


gay people arent the "sick" people.. youre the fucking "sick" people, for being such prejudice fucks. this shit has pissed me off

that kinda pissed me off at you ghost.
i could call you fag lover ??since im so prejudice
no i dont think they need killed or abused,they need medicated or something
at least a sex change, science has a way to make this right but it will never happen some people just are sick motherfuckers and nothing will change that.
whatever is "normal" they go against it to stand out,to be different yet they want treated just like everyone else
its like asking me to say YOUR JUST LIKE ME except you have two heads

let me get this str8...you say
im sick in a prejudice way becuase seeing two same sex people all lovey dovey makes me feel same way as if i saw some dude fuck a dog

its not right,unnatural and as sickening to me as any other human indecent act.right up there with RAPE MURDER .its just fucked up SICK fuckers who want to take,Feelings of brotherhood and consider them love? lust? like a desease,it needs a cure.
its a sexual cancer of the mind
there is no man i ever thought was sexy,,so i dont have it
just the thought of some pansy ass bitch turns my stomach

im not prejudice ghost,they can do whatever in PRIVATE,so long as i dont got to hear this Gay Rights crap,they have the right to remain silent i wished they would,yes go hide your sick ass with ya butthole buddy and please know,america will never except your perverted ways as NORMAL
cuase its not normal thinking
it may well be genetic,some screwed up dna code
ive seen two headed cows,frogs ect.so thats my take on it
please note
the anus was not made for sexual acts
its a poopchute

i dont gay bash,but i wont sit back watch them bash my beliefs

i blame your parents if your gay,
they had you,and if they were gay you wouldnt exist
they raised you and they never tuaght you how to be real man or woman
instead they just let a fucked up society infected by perverts have you
and teach you that its ok to be a pervert cuase see there millions of them so it must be right,
WRONG
keep your gayness to your self please
i dont want to know

[GHoSToKeR]

keep your gayness to your self please
i dont want to know
im not gay.......... :confused:

[NowhereMan]

im not gay.......... :confused:
hahaha
pokes you with a stick
ouch you say

wasnt that fun

[GHoSToKeR]

hahaha
pokes you with a stick
ouch you say

wasnt that fun
lol

Z, i guess this is another thing we're gonna have to agree to disagree about :p

**passes Z the joint**

[Buck268]

See, your looking at it all wrong. Its just personal preference. Granted, it is undeniably unnatural to prefere the same sex for sexual pleasures, but I can't say all my fetishes are 100% normal either :D

So what I'm saying is let people do their own thing, as long as they don't force it upon you.


...which I have been seeing more and more of with the gay culture. I don't mind it, but I mind being forced into being around it (notice how virtually every show now has at least one gay person?). Equality is one thing, forcing something on people is way beyond equality though.

[RunawayAmbulance]

I just think more or less in 20 years when we all look back at this. Everyone who actively works to block its legislation will look like a racist bigot and personally when I'm 80 I don't want to look back at when I 16 and see how racist and stupid I was being. Plus I just don't understand why not? God said its wrong... hmm sounds like church and state to me...

[ravedave420]

Im really begining to dislike the hypocricy whith which mowhereman speaks. he says, and i quote: "go hide your sick ass with ya butthole buddy and please know,america will never except your perverted ways as NORMAL cuase its not normal thinking," but then he also says that he is not predjudice. yes, you are. it is prejudice to push away people because they do not have the same beliefs as you do. i am not advocating homesexuality, i think it is not natural either, but i believe i speak for a lot of us when i say that we are advocating equality. no matter how you look at it, these people are HUMAN. yes, there are 2 headed frogs and 2 headed cows, but there are also 2 headed humans, and i think it would be unreasonable to expect us to lock them in a house so that they can get their "issues" resolved. and buck, dont say that his view is wrong. no it isnt, its a view, which is by definition neither right nor wrong. we can call him hypocritical and attack the idea that he says he is not a homophobe but really is, but we cannot say that he is wrong for that. nowhereman, i am not telling you that you are wrong for what you believe, i am saying that you are a hypocrite: if you are prejudice (and YES, you ARE) then say it, dont deny it. we are all here cause we smoke, lets all get along respect eachother, stop bickering, and bring up well-informed and backed-up points for an intelligent and civil discussion. THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided.
dave

[jacquelyne]

I think they should be allowed to get married.Because u can fall in love with someone of the same sex and love them forever just like a hetro relationship.With adopting kids tho i would hope that they wouldnt push or let there child see that lifestyle until they are older so that they can see the way the world and figure it out themselves.Would be strange having 2 daddys or mums.

[PurplePotatoes]

Once it's around for awhile, it's no big deal. I mean, we don't see blacks having the same right as us being weird. They WERE slaves, and that was a big transition, and for the most part, we are over it, and it's been only like one or two generations. It just matters on how you grow up. After a generation, I'm sure it wouldn't be so weird having two same sex parents. Just maybe missing out the experience on having two parents of different sexes (you have the man's personality and the womans, but in a gay relationship, you just get man and man, or woman and woman, unless they have the whole bitch and butch attitude).

Having a race of people inferior to another now just wouldn't be acceptable. We worked towards equality within the 20th century, and we did a damn good job. Why should we retrogress? The closest thing to an inferior race to an everyday person, would probably be animals, and we've all heard of PETA.... so you get the idea.

[NowhereMan]

lol

Z, i guess this is another thing we're gonna have to agree to disagree about :p

**passes Z the joint**
so true ,but that is what makes this place great
we can agree to disagree
and discuss
and cuss
and vent ect

see i understand all to well everybody is not the same minded
and thats cool,
but i sometimes say things just to get a lil action going and heat up the place with honest thoughts
not planned out statements,but thoughts as they are written as is


and
thanks for the toke,,,,,passes it on to next dopehead

peace

[NowhereMan]

Im really begining to dislike the hypocricy whith which mowhereman speaks. he says, and i quote: "go hide your sick ass with ya butthole buddy and please know,america will never except your perverted ways as NORMAL cuase its not normal thinking," but then he also says that he is not predjudice. yes, you are. it is prejudice to push away people because they do not have the same beliefs as you do. i am not advocating homesexuality, i think it is not natural either, but i believe i speak for a lot of us when i say that we are advocating equality. no matter how you look at it, these people are HUMAN. yes, there are 2 headed frogs and 2 headed cows, but there are also 2 headed humans, and i think it would be unreasonable to expect us to lock them in a house so that they can get their "issues" resolved. and buck, dont say that his view is wrong. no it isnt, its a view, which is by definition neither right nor wrong. we can call him hypocritical and attack the idea that he says he is not a homophobe but really is, but we cannot say that he is wrong for that. nowhereman, i am not telling you that you are wrong for what you believe, i am saying that you are a hypocrite: if you are prejudice (and YES, you ARE) then say it, dont deny it. we are all here cause we smoke, lets all get along respect eachother, stop bickering, and bring up well-informed and backed-up points for an intelligent and civil discussion. THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided.
dave


but it made you think about it did it not
and if i was a homophobe id be bashing heads
if i was prejudice i would not be here
see ,i dont hate them,i just want them to keep a perversion out of public eye


oh yes
THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided

practice what you preach mofo"
or hush the fuck up
see you think your ass is better than mine becuase you can ignore the shit
pal,u dont know me,i dont know you,and u just called me names right
aint freedom great,.u can say what you want and so can i
see you thinks its ok,,,and i dont
so your right and im wrong to you
im right and your wrong to me

aint nothing gonna change my mind that its wrong to be buttfucked
nothing in this world can make me except that shit,

[gothicblood]

some of you people sicken me. whats your problem with gay people? and what about homophobic attacks? i think everyone should have equal rights. and i'm bisexual. me and my ex girlfriend got picked on by some homophobic girls. one of them even hit my ex girlfriend. i was scared after.:(. some of you people have problems. this thread has upset me. :(

[Reefer Rogue]

yes, there are 2 headed frogs and 2 headed cow

There are? :confused: well i dont see any reason why a 2 headed from cant marry a 2 headed cow o wait thats not what were talking about. do i think america will legalize gay marraiges? (sp) no i dont. america isnt as liberal as it claims to be. america is a right winged conservative nation especially with george w running things so no i dont see gay marraiges happening any time soon unless a liberal becomes president. i think a person is born gay now im not sure about this but im pretty sure. so IF a person is born gay its not his fault. it hes not and its his choice then he should be aware of how homophobic the world is and if its his choice he should be aware of the consequences even if they include you cant get married. unfortunately the world is not as accepting of homosexuals as they would like.

i dont think its the governments business to decide whether or not they should be married i think thats up to the particular religion and church. i was watching everybody loves raymond the other day and it was the episode where they thought robert was gay. and in that episode they go on saying how every guy (everyone) has thought if they were gay or not. ex. by looking at other guys at the gym and saying there ripped or whatever. but then they see a pair of boobs and they snap out of it.

i personally dont give a flying fuck if they wanna get married or not its none of my business, like i stated b4 i dont think its the governments business. i think alot of people are talking about this issue and picturing a man and a man getting married. how do you people feel about two women getting married i bet alot of people wudnt really care becasue every1 loves lesbians lol. jus think about that.

[Sedater18]

actually you might not want to click that

[Sedater18]

I bet that gets me banned...

[Euphoric]

edit it fancypants

[Sedater18]

how?


-fancy pants

[Euphoric]

oops that was an hour ago my bad

[robert42]

I DONT LIKE GAYS BUT I DONT THINK IT SHOULD B ILLEGAL IM SURE MANY FAGS I MEAN HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE R NICE PEOPLE JUST LIKE U AND ME EXCEPT SUM LIKE TO MUNCH CARPETS AND SUM LIKE TO GET THERE SHIT PUSHED IN WHO R WE TO JUDGE THESE PPL.

[Lulu]

actually you might not want to click that
I took your word for it, I didn't click it but I did delete it.

[robert42]

A kiss for lulu for protecting us :-)

PLEASE SAY LULU IS FEMALE OR THIS WOULD LOOK REAL WRONG IN A GAY MARRIAGE THREAD LOL!

[gothicblood]

may i ask. why don't you like gay people? :confused:

[robert42]

I NEVER ONCE SED I NEVR LIKED GAY PPL I DNT AGREE WITH PPL BEING GAY BUT IF UR GAY UR O.K! THATS MY MOTTO MOST GAY PPL R REALLY BUBBLY N E WAY AND IM NOT HOMOPHOBIC AT ALL!

[gothicblood]

i'm not gay. though i have been out with a girl

[The C]

Euphoric
"Marriage between a man and a woman promotes procreation and makes intimate sexual activity orderly and socially accountable. "

But gee our world is growing at a rate that is too quick..... Maybe we should promote gay marriages. Gee if were expanding to fast mabe we should have a manditory right in certain countries or states. How bout we make it manditory that 70 percent of the community has to be gay, otherwise they don't benifit from the system at the same level as homosexual people.

A good start ot this philosophy would be to ban Hetrosexual marriages. For the state of course because we are all concerned with the good of the world.. Right?
This wont be today... But the world is rapidly growing we should consider inforcing this quick! G. Wilikers (geese's cusin?) it is for our contry after all!

Well sinse in America were trying to promote diversity to grow. As were embracing ethnicities, womens rights, and the many social classes it would be un-patriotic not to further the movement. Which is American values... Growing. So sinse were accomidating new values into our sosciety we now have changed The American
marriage into a secular non-religious privalage. So now suddenly were wiping all Reiligion, racism, and sexual identity, leaving them at the doorstep to the courtroom.
Were just left with 2 people who want to get to achive the same status as everyone else.
This includes all ethnicities, or religions. Remember we've excluded non-legal values. We'll if were to base our laws in "religious values" then mabe a religion will arise with homosexuality posing a large role.

Why not? Im sure their are certain legal loop holes premiting people to use thier rights to avoid certain laws, that the rest of us have to abide by through religious rights. So lets remove religion and peoples values. Now we suddenly have just an infringement of individuality and equality.
It is all in the name of progress right? Is it correct that thats what were looking for in our "developed Nations"?

And if naturality is the concern. Our torn sosciety isnt to balme for homosexuality! Their are homosexual tendancies in a variety of species/animals around the globe. Ohhh ohhhh! We cant blame anything this time?I guess homosexuality is just a fact of life. But where did this negativity towards homosexuality start. We'll in ancient greece many people were gay, Athens and Spartus both! So it's not the same place the root of our laws come from.

Gee they formed the olympic games so thay cant be that bad of ehh? Not to forget the amazing accomplishments such as the Colossus of Rhodes , the statue of Zeues and ohh so much more.
Nnot to mention Aristotle, Plato and Socrates! Without them where would our laws and values today? Lets not forget the amassed power that nation kept in check, the librarys, temples, culture, inventions, overall wealth, and amazing architecture.

Now the majority of us live in boxes above other boxes and with no possiblity to be self reliant. Lack of land to produce agriculture or oppertunity.
We we cant really hope for Mc'donalds or Nike to be the next true "wonder of the world". Sinse they will probably kill us before we realise how much they've sold us out. But they seem to be the ideal in our materialistic confused sosciety

We'll thats just my logic on the matter. Mabe i said things a little to heated to be considered a "agree to disagree" situation. But every opinion is important.
I probably should have ended things earlier but i wanted to talk this out.

C

[GHoSToKeR]

The C, that post was fucking awesome

[Phresher than it Got]

fuck this shit,,i was raped by 3 fucking queers at gunpoint in the milatary,,ever sence then,,they are fags and queers and sick indaviduals like dykes and lesbos,,get the fuck off this planet you fucking queers and lesbos,,remember freedom of speech people,,dont deny my right


...dont deny my right...


...dont deny my right...


...dont deny my right...

wow you are stupid, go get a dictionary and look up "hipocrit" then look up "hempheadjack" see if the definitions match, moron

its people like you that make people like me hate people like you





P.S. your stupid

[GHoSToKeR]

its people like you that make people like me hate people like you

i second that

[Euphoric]

i still had the best post i win

[hempheadjack]

i no if i were prez,,you would be my friend,,thank god im not

[Delta9]

Should we persecute people cause the'yer gay? It must be hard for a homosexual to deal with his/her life when everyone screams about how their sick and how they are responsible for AIDS. Blaming people because their different about societies problems dosen't help anything. I'm not gay and don't believe in it but Whats their Sex lives to me.

[Delta9]

Oh of course. I diden't mean to refer to Him. I was refering to a person who has a problem with other peoples lifestyle because it conflicts with their beliefs.

[Delta9]

I mean shit look at weed. Lots of people consider drugs a problem because they don't like it or don't believe in it or whatever the'yer problem is.
But who are people to say when we are suppose to live in a free society that someone elses belifes, lifestyle or even drug habits are wrong. I mean shit nobody wants a pusher standing by the local junior high, but if your not causing a problem for the community then shoulden't they just leave you alone?

[t0ke]

heres my 2 cents you could say

ok this is really 2 diffrent question do you believe in homosexuality and do you believe in gay marriges

i have nothing wrong with homosexuality its there choice to let other guys put shit up there ass i could care lesss

gay marriages i dont believe in i have no problem fuckign each other and being house partners o what ever but i dont think they should marry alot of i
i guess is bc i new a kid hoo had homosexual parents who was constantly teased about it and got into fight all the time he eventually commited suicide
and on another note i find it that in most people its only wrong if 2 guys get married but most of them have no problem with 2 women getting married what makes 2 women a better marrige besides you hoping to score a 3some :confused: :confused:

(dont mind my odd abreviations and lots of typos :D )

[kuulbns]

Just a thought, 50 years ago interracial marriage was illegal. Many thought it was unnatural and morally wrong. Seems familiar.

[Hektik]

If 2 guys wanna get married let em. It's there life not mine. I could care less...

[ravedave420]

but it made you think about it did it not
and if i was a homophobe id be bashing heads
if i was prejudice i would not be here
see ,i dont hate them,i just want them to keep a perversion out of public eye


oh yes
THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided

practice what you preach mofo"
or hush the fuck up
see you think your ass is better than mine becuase you can ignore the shit
pal,u dont know me,i dont know you,and u just called me names right
aint freedom great,.u can say what you want and so can i
see you thinks its ok,,,and i dont
so your right and im wrong to you
im right and your wrong to me

aint nothing gonna change my mind that its wrong to be buttfucked
nothing in this world can make me except that shit,

::mounts the soapbox::

Yes. it did make me think. i commend you for that. i think if we all thought a little more, this world would be a little better off.

i disagree with you comment: "if i were a homophobe, i would be bashing heads." that is simply untrue. a homophobe is someone who fears gay people. one needs not commit violence to be homophobic. and i havent read back at some of the ealier posts in a while so i could be wrong, but i dont think i called you a homophobe. if i did call you a homophobe, i didnt mean to, and i am sorry. i do believe however that i said that you are prejudice. honestly, i dont know what you mean when you said that if u were prejudice you wouldnt be here. all i mean by saying that you are is that you fit into some of the following, and i quote from websters, the definition of prejudice that i am using is: "An opinion or judgment formed without due examination; prejudgment; a leaning toward one side of a question from other considerations than those belonging to it; an unreasonable predilection for, or objection against, anything; especially, an opinion or leaning adverse to anything, without just grounds, or before sufficient knowledge." i dont know if you have reason to have a negative bias toward gays, and i have no reason to judge you for that (or else i myself yould be prejudice :D ) but, through your comments, i gather that you are some, if not most of these things. you are right, i dont know you and you dont know me, and therefore it was wrong of me to call you names. for that i am sorry. but the point i am making is that i think we all could be a little more accepting, if in doing so we will make a more peaceful coexistance between fellow humans.

i believe i am practicing what i am preaching. i dont recall ever being uncivilized. if i have ben construed as being so, it waqs certianly unintended. and for the record, the "THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided" quote was not directed at you specifically. it was a general comment and suggestion to all.

i dont think i am better than you, nor do i ever say that. if i come across that way to you then i am sorry. that was never my intention. my rant is about free rights for all, even people i dont agree with, and that includes you, nowhereman. obviously i dont agree with some of the things you say, but i respect your right to voice you opinion. what i disagree with, and the reason why i call you prejudice is that some of the things you have said seem to point toward you holding a group of people back because they differ from you. it seems at though you are looking at a common thread between a group of people and judging them in a negative way for it. in all honesty, i see that the same way i see racism. i dont see how it would be any different if you were to say "i dont like blacks, i dont like the way they look, so i would prefer if they all just kept inside while i was around." i dont think any of us have the right to say that the collective "we" is better that the collective "them", whoever that may be. i see you saying, in escence, (and please, correct me if i am wrong!!) "i dont like the act of homosexuality, so i would prefer if they kept their gay tendancies away from me." am i drawing a faulty connection when i parallel racism with the prejudice toward gays? maube i am not seeing the whole picture, but that is what it looks like to me. it is one thing to dislike something, but another thing completely to shunn an entire group of people for it. for instance, i honestly dont the sound of a "southern accernt." to me its kinda like nails on a chalk board. i recognize that i have no basis for not liking it, i just know that i think it sounds funny. but at the same time, i think it would be unreasonable for me to say, or even think for that matter, that all people with a southern accent should be kept away from me, hoping that they all just go away. do you see the difference?

lastly, i am not asking you to change your mind about gay people. if i have said that in the past, i apologize. it is not my job to ask people to change, not do i think that i have the right to. i simply ask that we all be more aware that we are dealing with humans here, and that shutting anyone out, for any reason, i think is wrong. i think we all should be just a touch more accepting of others, myself included.

::passes nowhereman the J and the soapbox::

[Delta9]

fui

[ravedave420]

the last line is supposed to read ":: Passes..." not "::p asses..."
apparently typing a : then a p makes this face :p, which was unintended because the p was supposed to go with the "asses".
sorry

[juggalo420]

to everyone screaming how they hate gays i hope you know your spewing the same bullshit as the kkk and neo-nazi groups, hope you enjoy the company.

[Purge]

right on juggalo!

[hempheadjack]

a little to late people,,i already read it,,whats the matter,,i give my address,and someone cant back them selves up,,i know who you are,,freedojm of speech is not working ,,why,,and i am not scared,just dying,,so now what,,whos to not say that them sick perverts that raped me didnt give me hep -c,,fuck em all,,after i read about me being a unfit parent,,fuck em,,ill give my address again and again,,only i doubt anybody will ever back them selves up and show up to say to my face,

[Lulu]

a little to late people,,i already read it,,whats the matter,,i give my address,and someone cant back them selves up,,i know who you are,,freedojm of speech is not working ,,why,,and i am not scared,just dying,,so now what,,whos to not say that them sick perverts that raped me didnt give me hep -c,,fuck em all,,after i read about me being a unfit parent,,fuck em,,ill give my address again and again,,only i doubt anybody will ever back them selves up and show up to say to my face,
I deleted your post Jack and Purge's too. You've posted too many nice garden pics to be giving out your address here babes ;)

Peace

[hempheadjack]

I deleted your post Jack and Purge's too. You've posted too many nice garden pics to be giving out your address here babes ;)

Peacethanks so much,i knew what you did anyway,,just a little to late,as for my address,,it takes a notice to be noticed,,there are figfters all over the world,,i am one of them,,as for my address,,if anyone read it,,the ones i sent shit to will no the truth,,just putting a little fear into that fuck,,in my own way,,i have gone through to much in my life,,so when i get pissed ,i get pissed,later lulu,,much later to all,,,

[jacquelyne]

fuck this shit,,i was raped by 3 fucking queers at gunpoint in the milatary,,ever sence then,,they are fags and queers and sick indaviduals like dykes and lesbos,,get the fuck off this planet you fucking queers and lesbos,,remember freedom of speech people,,dont deny my right
Jack dont be like that.You a cool guy
I was bisexual for a while cause i was treated that bad by an asshole of a man.At least when i was with another girl i knew she wouldnt hurt me.Never in my whole life did i think about being with a girl until i was turned that way by an asshole.Im sorry you feel like that but i did not hurt anyone.Im so sorry that that happened to you by those fag assholes.Anyways now im with a great guy who loves me and treats me like gold so i dont want that in my life now.

[NurseGirl]

I am shocked to hear opinions like that. Homosexuality is not a choice, you're just born that way. Statistics shows that they are more heterosexual pedophiles than homosexual pedophiles. A lot of psychologists will tell you that kids coming from a gay family are more likely to be balanced because their parents will make sure their mental and physical developpement are going the right way.

Also, for gays, parenting is a choice. Gays are never gonna have a kid by accident. Straights can have kids by accident and MAY lead to physical abuse. About denying marriage to gay people: Allowing gays to marry won't take anything away from straights wishing to get married. And why gay sex should be sick? It's not up to you to decide what is sick and what isn't. What you consider normal might look sick to me and vice versa.

Some say that gays are more likely to be unfaithful to their partner. Actually, I strongly believe it's a matter of sex. Guys are more likely to see sex as just sex, wheras girls will see sex as an emotional link. Therefore, MEN are more likely to cheat; whether they be straight or gay. But, some women and some men will cheat, straight AND gay.

There's so much hate in this world already. Why should the idea of two people that are deeply in love and care for each other be wrong.

Peace

Nurse

P.S.: That thing about gays recruiting is bullsh*t.

[PurplePotatoes]

HHJ, I'll probably say that the people that raped you weren't actually gay, but were really just a few guys who were sexually deprived (being in the military and all), and well, you just got unlucky. I know some people that are sex addicts (heterosexual), and I wouldn't be surprised if at the most desperate point in their life, they would end up raping a man if it was their last choice. Having sex with another man is the act of a gay man, but it doesn't mean they were gay.

[Euphoric]

i think that does pretty much make them gay. why are you defending gay rapists purple p? got some secrets?! hahaha just kidding pass the fookin joint

[Ed Ward MD]

about whether or not I am gay, or jewish or arabic, or whatever and is BS to discuss. Except as some kinda gossip BS. But, that is just my opinion based on the Constitution.

TR EWAR, III

[PurplePotatoes]

You made me sad, until you said you were kidding, haha. Actually, I'm not gay, and I think gay sex is gross, and all that. And I hate gay men that act feminine. But just because I think that doesn't mean I should be against gay marriage. I wouldn't want someone to take my rights away because I'm different. So I go with my principals, rather than my preferences on this argument.

[Encatuse]

I can hardly read past the first page of this... I'm so apalled at what you people are saying. Especially Torog.. I mean.. I knew he was conservitist, and I knew he would be against gay marriage.. but I had no idea he'd spout such complete bullshit ((and I mean that as in the shit he spouted either had nothing to do with homosexuals, or the same exact thing could be said for heterosexuals)) I truly had respect for the way Torog would justify his opinion in almost every situation, but wow.. he's done a truly terrible job on this one. Making himself look like a true ass, as well as a true judgemental stereotyping asshole. ^.^ So kudos Torog! Now quickly, chop off your testicles so you never again reproduce.

I'll be honest, I don't see gays as a problem. We're overpopulating extremely fast, just as The C said, so every little fag helps. Err, every little bit**. But gay marriage, well, I don't give a shit personally, but I could definately see why it's viewed negatively.. I mean marriage has, for a long time, meant a HOLY matrimony between two individuals. And being gay, in alot of people's eyes, is unholy. So, I think there needs to be a government recognized union between gays, but I think it shouldn't be called marriage, just to avoid problems.

Hempheadjack: Im very sorry about the fact that you were raped. But you really should understand, not every gay man raped you. Only three did. Those three gay men were rapists. Not every gay man. But, for the sake of a better world, I hope those three fucks are shot dead seven times over. And posting your address in the same forum you post pictures of your awesome fucknig gardens is a bad idea. Because I guarantee if you go to jail, there'll be alot more homosexual raping there.

And lesbians ((Yup! They're gay people too! Sorry that one guy buttfuckin another grosses some of you out, but don't forget lesbians are just as gay)) YES I said LESBIANS, as in gay females, GAY females, have less stds then heterosexuals. Looks like god forgot to punish one half of gays. Looks like your god is ALMOST as much of a hypocrit as you Torog. :)

And as for being gay.. well, I'm not. Any form of gay sex grosses me out ((girls too)) but you know what.. Thinking about two obese people having sex grosses me out. Does that mean obese people shouldn't have sex?

[Encatuse]

On a second note:

I'm going to post something that I haven't told anyone in real life, which may hopefully make a point to you with the belief that gays "recruit".

When I was in second grade, and in cub scouts, there was a sleepover in the gym. Well me and another boy there zipped our sleeping bags together so it was basically one big giant sleeping bag that no one else could see in. And you know what? We did gay stuff. He was my first french kiss, and we touched eachothers penises and other stuff I wont go into anymore detail.

I think back on this and I cringe. This grosses the hell out of me now. Well you know what? I didn't even know there was a word for that when I was in 2nd grade. I swear to you. It was in FOURTH grade, literally two years later, that I found out there were actually people in the world that liked the same gender. I thought that was like the wrongest thing anyone could ever do. I was raised a christian and I didn't know any better.

So, I gotta know.. who recruited me? Cuz, to be honest, I recruited this kid. It was my idea in the start to kiss. And he was the same age as me.. not an infant like you might think since fags are into wee ones. ((please note: sarcasm))

Was it the liberalist media? No, I didn't watch the news... Was it kindergarten? Nope! I wasn't taught the fine art of fisting until AFTER grade school. ((joke...)) Was it some old man praying on me? Nope. It was my BRAIN!!! Ahhhh!!! My brain was the recruiter. It thought up the idea based on what it had seen mom and daddy doing. By the way, my mom is female and my dad is male.

Oh, and Torog.. was your daughter molested by a female? You seem to be all about how gay people are into kids and youngins, yet I seem to recall you saying the MAN who molested your daughter is in jail. I just hope your daughter doesn't have a penis, because that would ruin the point I'm trying to prove. Oh, and by the way, when a malemolests or rapes a female... it's a terrible thing. And I know that. But you know what? It's a terrible HETEROSEXUAL thing.

[Torog]

Howdy Encatuse,

You state:" Oh, and Torog.. was your daughter molested by a female? You seem to be all about how gay people are into kids and youngins, yet I seem to recall you saying the MAN who molested your daughter is in jail. I just hope your daughter doesn't have a penis, because that would ruin the point I'm trying to prove. Oh, and by the way, when a malemolests or rapes a female... it's a terrible thing. And I know that. But you know what? It's a terrible HETEROSEXUAL thing. "

My daughter,was sexually assaulted,by a male bisexual pedophile,pedophilia,is not just a heterosexual thing. I got the bastard thrown in jail for 3 years,he's since served more time for molesting both boys and girls. I know exactly where he lives and I keep track of him,through the Sexual Offender's Database.

I realize,that all gays aren't child molestors,but the facts show that the ratio for pedophilia is higher with the gay population,because of the proportional population ratio.

My fight,is with those gays who are trying to usurp parental authority and cram their radical gay agenda down our throats-no pun intended.

Are you a parent ? Because if you're not..then there'a alot that you will not be able to understand about this issue.

Have a good one...Torog

[Euphoric]

erm i read somewhere that lesbians have a higher amount of herpes..it was a scientific study..i think you said that encause..so i offically disagree with that.
sources..
http://www.safeguards.org/pages/news_template.asp?id=160
http://www.gayhealth.com/templates/1103816912278655454981/common/feature.html?record=897&trycookie=1
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/glbt/lbstd.htm

there seems to be some debate whether they are at more risk it seems.

Purple P: i'd actually have to agree with your stance on this issue..its not my thing and even if i think its gross the government probably doesnt have the right to say what we can smoke and who we can marry :)

[NurseGirl]

[QUOTE=Torog]. "

I realize,that all gays aren't child molestors,but the facts show that the ratio for pedophilia is higher with the gay population,because of the proportional population ratio.


Do you know what you're talking about? Gays represent aproximatively 10-15 % of the entire population.

So, there's less gay pedophiles than straitght pedophiles.

[hempheadjack]

I can hardly read past the first page of this... I'm so apalled at what you people are saying. Especially Torog.. I mean.. I knew he was conservitist, and I knew he would be against gay marriage.. but I had no idea he'd spout such complete bullshit ((and I mean that as in the shit he spouted either had nothing to do with homosexuals, or the same exact thing could be said for heterosexuals)) I truly had respect for the way Torog would justify his opinion in almost every situation, but wow.. he's done a truly terrible job on this one. Making himself look like a true ass, as well as a true judgemental stereotyping asshole. ^.^ So kudos Torog! Now quickly, chop off your testicles so you never again reproduce.

I'll be honest, I don't see gays as a problem. We're overpopulating extremely fast, just as The C said, so every little fag helps. Err, every little bit**. But gay marriage, well, I don't give a shit personally, but I could definately see why it's viewed negatively.. I mean marriage has, for a long time, meant a HOLY matrimony between two individuals. And being gay, in alot of people's eyes, is unholy. So, I think there needs to be a government recognized union between gays, but I think it shouldn't be called marriage, just to avoid problems.

Hempheadjack: Im very sorry about the fact that you were raped. But you really should understand, not every gay man raped you. Only three did. Those three gay men were rapists. Not every gay man. But, for the sake of a better world, I hope those three fucks are shot dead seven times over. And posting your address in the same forum you post pictures of your awesome fucknig gardens is a bad idea. Because I guarantee if you go to jail, there'll be alot more homosexual raping there.

And lesbians ((Yup! They're gay people too! Sorry that one guy buttfuckin another grosses some of you out, but don't forget lesbians are just as gay)) YES I said LESBIANS, as in gay females, GAY females, have less stds then heterosexuals. Looks like god forgot to punish one half of gays. Looks like your god is ALMOST as much of a hypocrit as you Torog. :)

And as for being gay.. well, I'm not. Any form of gay sex grosses me out ((girls too)) but you know what.. Thinking about two obese people having sex grosses me out. Does that mean obese people shouldn't have sex?you people reallythink i posted my address,,comeon,,that is a part of me that can just outrite mind fuck you as in (whoever wants to send me a hate notice,)it will go to the stockton police,,thats the address i gave,,now,the people i sent my pipes to,,they have my address,,and one more thing,if i ever went to jail,,i am dying of cancer,,ill kill anyone that tries that again,

[hempheadjack]

with all that said,,anybody can now say what they want,,cuz,,sticks and stones can break my bones,,words will never harm me,,just piss me off,,im done on this subject,,,Jack,,so i guess it is all about gay marriage,,,,,let em get married,,,i dont give a rats ass no more on this subject,,it is a burnout,,,Jack

[Encatuse]

Euphoric: I encourage you to read past the initial title of the articles you use as sources. :) I'll show you some quotes from them.

The first one: "Most of the women (80%) reported having had sex with a man during their lifetime.... The same was true even among 257 women who self-identified as lesbian"

This, I believe makes the first source disregardable. But if anything this should help prove a very similar point:

"This means that routine acquisition of chronic viral sexually transmitted diseases, like herpes, human papillomavirus (HPV), HIV, and hepatitis B, can occur at the same rate as in strictly heterosexual women," Dr. Marrazzo said. "So providers should really assume nothing when a woman says 'I'm a lesbian' -- at least in terms of prior viral sexually transmitted disease acquisition -- until a more complete sexual history is taken."

I was trying to make the point that stds weren't put on the earth as punishment for homosexuals... and since that source said that lesbians get stds at the same rate as heterosexual women.. well you get it. ;)

As for the next one:

"Nearly one in ten lesbians participating in a small study was infected with herpes" is a direct quote from it... Now. heres a quote to show you how many heterosexual women have it.

How common is genital herpes?

"Results of a recent, nationally representative study show that genital herpes infection is common in the United States. Nationwide, 45 million people ages 12 and older, or one out of five of the total adolescent and adult population, is infected with HSV-2. HSV-2 infection is more common in women (approximately one out of four women)" thats from http://parentingteens.about.com/cs/herpes/l/blstdherpes.htm

Now keep in mind, that includes both lesbians and straight women, but realize how drastically smaller the population of gay women is compared to the straight woman population. So, in conclusion. Thank you. Your sources actually proved the legitimacy of my argument.

And for the third source you provided:

"In fact, the risk of STD transmission between women varies significantly depending on the STD. Herpes, HPV (genital wart virus), and bacterial vaginosis are transmitted fairly easily between women during sex. HIV, hepatitis B, gonorrhea, and chlamydia are much less likely to be transmitted--the risk is low but it is still possible.

The majority of lesbian and bisexual women have (or have had) sex with men, and all STDs are easily transmitted from men to women during intercourse. Often STD do not have symptoms, so it is possible for a woman to have become infected years ago and to still harbor the infection."

Herpes and HPV is one of the most common viruses among heterosexual people as well. It's estimated 1 in 4 heterosexuals will contract herpes at some point in their life. As for the others it listed, it stated it was less likely they would be transferred. The third source did very little for either of our arguments. It was just out to dismiss the myth that lesbians got few-no stds. When they do. Im not trying to state they don't. But they still get less of em then heterosexual females. And that, my friend, was my whole argument. I think that pretty much completely debases the idea that god gave stds to punish homosexuals. Because if he did.. he's one hell of a stupid god, punishing more heterosexual women then homosexual women. ((Or maybe he's just like the average homophobe.. forgetting that two women constitutes as homosexuality as well just because they're attracted to it. "Down with gays!" -silently beats off to lesbian porn- "Put em on an island!" -asks wife to have a threesome with another chick-))

Torog - Looking back on my post, I realize it was probably the wrong thing to do to mention the molestation of your daughter. Im sad to hear the fuck who did it only got three years.. personally I wish all child molesters and in some cases rapists got the death penalty when convicted. I just wish people would realize though, that you can hardly consider a pedophile homosexual or heterosexual or bisexual... I can hardly look at them as humans and I think most people feel the same. I mean, you realize that there are more blacks in jail then whites? And whites are a majority. But, it's not like you'd say black people shouldn't be allowed basic rights because of that. Anyway, I'm sorry about bringing up your daughter being molested. That was rude and non-compassionate of me, and since I have no experience as a parent, you're right, I wouldn't know what it's like.

Man, I always get so annoyed with you and your insanely conservatist opinions, and then you reply to my posts so nicely I feel like a jackass. -laughs- I suppose that does kind of make me an ass. Ah well. Sorry bout the bit of a flip out, I was acting on impulse from offense I took from some statements that I believe are rash and completel bullshit, but you've still always shown yourself to be a respectable person none the less on this board. At least in my experience.

Hempheadjack - Hahaha. Giving out the address to the stockton police was an awesome idea. ^.^ I would have loved to see them recieve a death-threat or something from a letter with an accurate return address.

Euphoric - Oh and here's a link just to show you I'm even more right. lol. http://www.avert.org/womstata.htm If you look at the chart aids from heterosexual contact is higher then from injection and more then 200 times from "Other/Unknown" which would include homosexual contact. Thats just in women though.

[Euphoric]

watever :p

[juggalo420]

pedpophilia is sick and disgusting but you cant say all gay are peds thats just irresponsible and as far as those with less than pleasant experiences with gays all i have to say as rude as it might sound ... get over it, holding hate in your heart really takes a toll on person.

[Torog]

[QUOTE=Torog]. "

I realize,that all gays aren't child molestors,but the facts show that the ratio for pedophilia is higher with the gay population,because of the proportional population ratio.


Do you know what you're talking about? Gays represent aproximatively 10-15 % of the entire population.

So, there's less gay pedophiles than straitght pedophiles.
Howdy NurseGirl,

What I'm saying is,is that the rate of incidence,is higher because of the ratio of incidence to total gay population,results in a higher incidence ratio-compared to the ratio of incidence among the hetereosexual population,just because heterosexuals out number homosexuals,doesn't mean that there's necessarily a dominance among heterosexuals.

Given that homosexuality is based on un-natural desires and urges,homosexuality is predatory by nature,because Nature,does not provide homosexual partners..therefore,they must be sought out-whether they are willing,or of an appropriate age. Nature does however,provide plenty of heterosexual partners..thereby reducing the need for a predatory agenda.

[GHoSToKeR]

Given that homosexuality is based on un-natural desires and urges,homosexuality is predatory by nature,because Nature,does not provide homosexual partners..therefore,they must be sought out-whether they are willing,or of an appropriate age. Nature does however,provide plenty of heterosexual partners..thereby reducing the need for a predatory agenda.
that's probably one of the most ignorant things I have ever had the misfortune to read. Come on, Torog.. you're better than that, man

[juggalo420]

Given that homosexuality is based on un-natural desires and urges,homosexuality is predatory by nature,because Nature,does not provide homosexual partners..therefore,they must be sought out-whether they are willing,or of an appropriate age. Nature does however,provide plenty of heterosexual partners..thereby reducing the need for a predatory agenda.
You must also be predatory by nature because nature doesnt provide that many ignorant red-necks.

[Torog]

You must also be predatory by nature because nature doesnt provide that many ignorant red-necks.
Howdy juggalo420,

Well..I must admit-that ya made me laugh..thanx !

Have a great,Texas-sized , Merry Christmas !

Torog :D

[Nullific]

Torog, I just find it interesting that your signature says "God bless those who choose to protect our freedom!" because from what I have seen you post it seems as if you'd rather people not have basic freedoms like say fucking who they want in which-ever hole they prefer.

[PurplePotatoes]

I say if we ban gay marriage, I say fat people can't get married. Why? Because fat people are gross. It's a compromise! If we ban fat marriage, we can ban gay marriage.

--PP

[Nullific]

And lets not forget interracial, its just unnatural for blacks and whites to marry...Adam and Eve were both white and we all know that the bible is an important part of the Constitution.

[PurplePotatoes]

Black people weren't in the Bible, so we should just wipe them all out maybe? Or maybe they were the offpspring of the Nephillim?

Haha who knows. All men weren't created equal, so maybe we should take away suffrage too? I mean, Eve was only created because Adam asked God to do so. So Torog... technically what you say doesn't matter what you have to say anymore, please speak only when spoken to.

[hempheadjack]

i chee wow wow,e whole lay,,i crumba,,,

[PurplePotatoes]

Hahaha I'm just having a bit of fun.

[Nullific]

I really can't wait for Torog to reply...

[seeker]

im from massachusettes where gay marriage is legal im not gay but i support there right to marry.
what do you think.......for it
against it
care less
states right
for a constitutional ban

i am persoanlly an advocate of the heterosexual agenda, except for girls,that hot. :D i think recreationally, if thats the way people feel like making, love, what the hell, its their body/life. Persoanlly i think gay marrianges are counterbenficial to the continuance of eh human race, but hey, at least this way if homosexuality is genetic it will stop nearly short haha.

buit i wont stop tehm i have nothing against them as people. I have many homosexual friends with whome i can have intelligent and intersting conversation without awkwardness, i am above that.

politically i think the governement should stay out of the bedroom. they cant regulate whether married heterosexual couples have anal sex so they should stay out of the lives of those who want to marry same sex partners.

~pura vida doods~
~(pussy)seeker~

[Torog]

that's probably one of the most ignorant things I have ever had the misfortune to read. Come on, Torog.. you're better than that, man
Howdy Ghost,

I'm boiling things down to a nitty-gritty level,in an attempt,to expose the primary,basic,motivator factors,of homosexual behaviour at base,emotional and physical levels. The Human species,has a basic instinct to reproduce and perpetuate it's self. Homosexuality,is contrary to that instinct,so what I'm postulating is,is that instinct in homosexuals,is twisted and translated to heightened levels of promiscuity..which is why I characterized this component of homosexual behaviour,as predatory.

My opinion,as a Christian,is that homosexuality,is both un-natural and un-holy. I view marriage,as a holy institution,that requires an oath to be faithful to a member of the opposite sex,with God's Blessing.

One of the major goals of the homosexual agenda,is convince society,that homosexuality is normal..marriage is one such institution,that they have deemed a major venue of attack-in their quest to remold society,to their way of thinking. Even civil unions,may be too much of a compromise.

Have a good one...Torog

[PurplePotatoes]

Howdy Ghost,

I'm boiling things down to a nitty-gritty level,in an attempt,to expose the primary,basic,motivator factors,of homosexual behaviour at base,emotional and physical levels. The Human species,has a basic instinct to reproduce and perpetuate it's self. Homosexuality,is contrary to that instinct,so what I'm postulating is,is that instinct in homosexuals,is twisted and translated to heightened levels of promiscuity..which is why I characterized this component of homosexual behaviour,as predatory.

My opinion,as a Christian,is that homosexuality,is both un-natural and un-holy. I view marriage,as a holy institution,that requires an oath to be faithful to a member of the opposite sex,with God's Blessing.

One of the major goals of the homosexual agenda,is convince society,that homosexuality is normal..marriage is one such institution,that they have deemed a major venue of attack-in their quest to remold society,to their way of thinking. Even civil unions,may be too much of a compromise.

Have a good one...Torog

Did you ever think that homosexuality is an attempt to slow down human reproduction? There are too many people on this Earth, even God could see that if he does exist. He knows with the more people, the more greed will flood the earth. If marriage is such a holy institution, then why do heterosexuals get divorced so much? The bigotry such as yours is WHY they must remold soceity's minds into think homosexuality is genetic and not a choice. I bet they wouldn't be homosexual if they had a choice, which is why many of them are so self loathing at first. This question is a little inappropriate and maybe a bit personal, but did you ever practice pre-marital sex?

How is homosexuality unnatural if it's genetic? Why does it matter if it's unholy? We are ALL sinners, face it.

[Nullific]

Homosexuality has been found in other species of animals...
unnatural?


And lets not forget interracial, its just unnatural for blacks and whites to marry...Adam and Eve were both white and we all know that the bible is an important part of the Constitution.

[Encatuse]

You must also be predatory by nature because nature doesnt provide that many ignorant red-necks.


Wow. That was really funny. ^.^

[The C]

A girl stuck her finger up my but once, i didnt find it revolting.
It was a risky fun sensation....

I'm not homosexual. I don't find guyes attractive.
IT WOZ ONCE!!!
AHHHHH!!!

Omg im to funny!. I'm gonna take a hit, brb.

C

[FRANKFRANKFRANK]

I'm all for gays to have the same rights as my hederosexual self has. Equal rights ARE NOT special rights!

[IrkenInvader]

The whole thing about gay marriage is that it shouldn't really matter if you think gay people are sinners or whatever, because your personal religious beliefs shouldn't overrun the government. People say that marriage is a "sacred institution." If this is true, which it very well may be, then it should not be sanctioned by the state. You can't have it both ways: either Christians can restrict marriage for certain people on religious grounds and not have marriage recognized by a secular government or they should open marriage up to any two consenting, un-married adults. Personally I think we should give Christians marriage and refuse to legally recognize it, and then institute a civil union type thing for both gay and straight couples wanting to be legally bound. A Christian couple could get both, a gay couple could just get the civil union. That might quit everyone's bitching. It really doesn't matter to me what homosexuals are doing with their spare time or in the bedroom, because it's really none of my business. I really don't mind if two people want to spend the rest of their lives together. It's not like you have to share a bed with them or anything. In conclusion, quit bitching, let them marry, have a good smoke, and chill the fuck out. There are more important things to be done in the world for a Christian than blocking people from marrying.

[sensiskunk]

people dont choose to be homosexual, well for the most part, its mainly genetics. I dont understand how homophobic all these christian bastards are. Are they scared that if gay people start marrying, that they will turn gay themselves? For being christian, these people have A LOT of hate for A LOT of people, just because they arent like them, and dont believe what they do. That is ignorance, stupidity, and immaturity. Religion is not suppost to be about hate, but religion ALWAYS leads to war and confilct, just because two different religions dont agree with one another. That is the reason why i dont practice or believe in religion, cause its all BS. If these people knew how manipulated the bible is, im sure theyd start to realize its meant for control, not religion itself!

[ravedave420]

you people reallythink i posted my address,,comeon,,that is a part of me that can just outrite mind fuck you as in (whoever wants to send me a hate notice,)it will go to the stockton police,,thats the address i gave,,now,the people i sent my pipes to,,they have my address,,and one more thing,if i ever went to jail,,i am dying of cancer,,ill kill anyone that tries that again,

did u mean that in the sense that if they rapre u then they will get cancer? because that is fucking rediculous. you cant catch cancer from someone else.

[ravedave420]

o nevermind. i think u meant that you will literally be the one that kills them because u have nothing to loose. at least that makes more sense. idk...?

[Encatuse]

Yeah. You were right in the second post RaveDave

[jones2much]

I THINK ITS FUCKIN SICK. IT WAS ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE.

[Sedater18]

Two hot Lesbians having hot sex is hot you guys, seriously, don't deny it.

[F L E S H]

The whole thing about gay marriage is that it shouldn't really matter if you think gay people are sinners or whatever, because your personal religious beliefs shouldn't overrun the government. People say that marriage is a "sacred institution." If this is true, which it very well may be, then it should not be sanctioned by the state. You can't have it both ways: either Christians can restrict marriage for certain people on religious grounds and not have marriage recognized by a secular government or they should open marriage up to any two consenting, un-married adults. Personally I think we should give Christians marriage and refuse to legally recognize it, and then institute a civil union type thing for both gay and straight couples wanting to be legally bound. A Christian couple could get both, a gay couple could just get the civil union. That might quit everyone's bitching. It really doesn't matter to me what homosexuals are doing with their spare time or in the bedroom, because it's really none of my business. I really don't mind if two people want to spend the rest of their lives together. It's not like you have to share a bed with them or anything. In conclusion, quit bitching, let them marry, have a good smoke, and chill the fuck out. There are more important things to be done in the world for a Christian than blocking people from marrying.
IrkenInvader wins Best Post of Thread Award! :D

[Nullific]

I THINK ITS FUCKIN SICK. IT WAS ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE.
Grow up. Seriously if thats the best argument you can come up with go kill yourself. That would be forcing your religious beliefs on others. Also remember that Adam and Eve were white, so I suppose only white people should be allowed to marry other white people.

And lets not forget interracial, its just unnatural for blacks and whites to marry...Adam and Eve were both white and we all know that the bible is an important part of the Constitution.

America; where it doesn't matter if you're black or white...as long as we're all christian.

[meek mike]

The Bible doesn't say thet ADAM and EVE were white. Thy could have been purple for all we know.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[PurplePotatoes]

The Bible doesn't say thet ADAM and EVE were white. Thy could have been purple for all we know.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

That would be pretty cool... I wish I was purple. Oh wait, I am!!! :o <--

[FRANKFRANKFRANK]

"My opinion,as a Christian,is that homosexuality,is both un-natural and un-holy." -- Torog

How about thinking as a human being, independently, and not as a Christian.

And by the way -- EVERYTHING in the universe is natural. Atomic bombs are natural -- EVERYTHING is. So that statement is complete bullshit. If it can happen in the universe IT IS NATURAL!

[meek mike]

So your saying the stick up your ass about Christians is natural? Ok, I see how that could be for you.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[kiwi]

:D As for me well..........I beleive that it is every humans own choice as to how they live their lives, so live and let live ppl. As long as ppl are happy then so be it, who are we to judge :eek:

[maryjanemama]

Grow up. Seriously if thats the best argument you can come up with go kill yourself. Ok, maybe that's a little extreme, but I agree with Nullific, that sounded like a comment from a guest on Jerry Springer.

I already had my say about this a while back, so that's that. I am surprised by 2 things so far: The way some Christians think that they are absolutely right about everything because they believe, ultimately, that they are going to heaven and the rest of us will eventually wallow in pits of fire. Secondly, the amount of ppl who believe our sexuality is chosen, or the result of bad parenting.

It's 2005! Torog and Nowhereman, I like you guys, but sometimes I cannot believe the things you say. And I can never understand what the heck Ed Ward is trying to say. I'll just spark one up and agree to disagree with you! :D

[jacquelyne]

Hey goth dont worry some peoples views on gays are pathetic.Just like my views on other things lol.
some of you people sicken me. whats your problem with gay people? and what about homophobic attacks? i think everyone should have equal rights. and i'm bisexual. me and my ex girlfriend got picked on by some homophobic girls. one of them even hit my ex girlfriend. i was scared after.:(. some of you people have problems. this thread has upset me. :(

[jacquelyne]

Just a thought, 50 years ago interracial marriage was illegal. Many thought it was unnatural and morally wrong. Seems familiar.
Thats right kuul
My great grandpa was black.You wouldnt know by looking at me lol cause im white as.
he could not go on any of his childrens (had 9) birth certificates as there father because of his colour.How things have changed now.That just was not excepted back then so maybe in another 50 yrs it will be exactly the same with gay marriages

[Epic]

being a conservative Christian and a strong believer in traditional family values
So you base what the world should be like off of your own personal beliefs? Good job, jackass. What works for one person dosent work for everyone.


Gays don't reproduce,they recruit...because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is.
I could say the same thing about most of you fucked up christians. You brainwash your children from birth into believing wha YOU want them to believe.



There are schools,where children of kindergarden age,have been subjected to sessions of sexual education,which consisted of teaching the children how to masturbate and explore the world of oral sex,older children have also been 'taught',the fine art of fisting.

First off, I'm guessing you were told this by one of your religious buddies without proof whatsoever that it happened, or happens on a regular basis. You like to shoot your mouth off without knowing what you are talking about.

Secondly, it reminds me of how christianity is tought even before kindergarden. I dont see anything worse about being tough homosexuality opposed to cult activity.


I believe that the natural progression of a gay agenda,to secure marriage rights,will also lead to other sexual perverts demanding 'rights' as well..such as pedophiles,the incestuous and bestialists.
So because of your fear of "other sexual perverts" you must punish homosexulas?



They all have several things in common,they 'recruit',entice and seduce-their partners
All of the homosexulas I know dont try to recruit anyone. Actually, they try not to let anyone know that they are, in fact, homosexual.


and they all want to ban Christianity
Can you blame them? Look at what you people do to those unlike yourselfes.



In several countries around the world,like Saudi Arabia,where I worked once,homosexuality is a crime punishable by death..why is it that homosexuals aren't condemning Islam ?
You just answered your own question.

Still dont get it? Because its punishable by death and humans are naturally disenclined to die.


Homosexuals,constitute a fraction of the populace,yet they demand that all of society and religious faith-change to suit their twisted desires.
No, they just dont want to be punished.


Homosexuals are driven by desire and impulse..which is why few are faithful,and most are promiscuous to a deadly fault..with deadly consequences for everyone..in the form of STD's and Aids.
You cant be serious. I'll just asume you put this last part in as a joke.

[F L E S H]

I never understood what the big deal about this is. I heard this guy talk on the radio the other day, and what he said made perfect sense: why is everyone making such a huge issu of something that concerns less than 10% of our population? What difference will it really make in anyone's life that some homosexuals want to get married? All this uproar is ridiculous.

However, I believe that it is not right for the government to force a religious institute to marry a gay couple. My view is that if gays want to marry, by all means do so, but if your church doesn't want to marry you, that's the church's right. Just go to city hall or something.

[undead]

4. Public health: Homosexual sex is dangerous and destructive to the human body. The International Journal of Epidemiology reports that the life expectancy at age 20 for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 10 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, researchers estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently 20 years of age will not reach their 65th birthday.





Its funny when fat rednecks say homosexuals are unhealthy. They all seem to be muscle boys at the parade. And all the people watching televangelists are fat.

[sawleaf]

some of you people sicken me. whats your problem with gay people? and what about homophobic attacks? i think everyone should have equal rights. and i'm bisexual. me and my ex girlfriend got picked on by some homophobic girls. one of them even hit my ex girlfriend. i was scared after.:(. some of you people have problems. this thread has upset me. :(

What!? You were scared after some chick hit your exGF? Dude I would've dropkicked that bitch in the face and beat those chicks down!

[PurplePotatoes]

I got an idea if it's a church issue... why don't they just make a branch of christianity where homosexuality is not looked down upon, and then get married at THAT church, so it's not saying that catholics, mormons, or bigots are marrying the couple. I'm sure my church would marry two gays, since my church members aren't the kind of people that cut you off in rush hour traffic and give you the finger.

[Torog]

I got an idea if it's a church issue... why don't they just make a branch of christianity where homosexuality is not looked down upon, and then get married at THAT church, so it's not saying that catholics, mormons, or bigots are marrying the couple. I'm sure my church would marry two gays, since my church members aren't the kind of people that cut you off in rush hour traffic and give you the finger.
Howdy PurplePotatoes,

Sadly,there are Christian Churches,that have decided on their own,to ignore what God has said about homosexuality..these churches are usually infested with liberals,who are closer to being secular humanists,than real Christians.

Any church that embraces homosexuality..has strayed from God,and satan has invaded their church..satan desires to destroy all that's Good,and it would be a great victory for him,to destroy a church and it's congregation,a congregation that has turned it's back on God's Word,in order to be politically-correct.

God said that we should go forth and multiply-not reduce the population..by embracing sin and abnormality.

Why is it-that gays come to destroy the building block of society ? Marriage is meant for those who intend to reproduce and build a family,and to provide the proper male/female balance for the raising of the children. Parental authority,religious and family values,are all under attack in our schools,at the hands of gays and the liberals that support them..marriage is under attack now..it appears that gays and the Left,are doing their best to destroy the traditional family.

Having said all of that-I do feel that maybe something could be done about the legal rights of gay partners as it pertains to assets and community property. I also realize,that most gays are basically good people,that just want to have the same rights as everyone else,even though it's based solely upon sexual orientation.

Love the sinner ..hate the sin !

Have a good one...Torog

[Epic]

Torog, you sound like a decent person.

However, when are you going to get it through your fat fucking skull that not everyone is a christian, nor lives life to please you and your religious cronies.

[Nullific]

Why is it-that gays come to destroy the building block of society ? Marriage is meant for those who intend to reproduce and build a family,and to provide the proper male/female balance for the raising of the children. Parental authority,religious and family values,are all under attack in our schools,at the hands of gays and the liberals that support them..marriage is under attack now..it appears that gays and the Left,are doing their best to destroy the traditional family.
Fuck society, all you want to do is create a scapegoat, fuck people taking responsibility for their own actions on their pursuit of life, liberty and happiness...jews, blacks, drug users, muslims, homosexuals all evil. How do you do it, why are these people so bad?
Oh, they must stray from God, God said they are bad so they must be devil worshipers... we need to pass legislation to control them because killing them would make us look bad.
What are morals? What are family "values"? Where did they come from your bible? Ever read the constitution, your bible can't control me so that makes you mad doesn't it? Since your bible can't control me you need laws to do it, so you try to make your bible law. Fuck your bible, fuck your law. A person should be able to do what they please so long as they are not a harm to anyone else.
Do you seriously think homosexuals are a threat? Let me guess, they're worse than the muslims and terrorist...they're just as bad as those bastard liberals arn't they Torog?
Thats right, we seek to ruin what is it you hold so dearly, not your family...your religion and your book and the laws you try to pass based upon them. Why are we doing this?
Because you can't legislate morality. You can't stop me from doing drugs, drinking, gambling, speaking my mind against your beliefs, or having sex with whichever sex I prefer for however much I want to pay.
Its immoral you say?! But how is it hurting you? Oh, its not. Nor is it hurting your family, so long as these questionable activities are kept safe and legal.
You don't like it when people live how they want so you have to go and make criminals out of people who are not. In order to make them look bad you say they are a threat to family, that'll piss all the soccer moms off...then you bring in your religion because GOD forbid anybody have any freedom. So then the nation bans homosexual marriage and make homosexuals look like evil criminals.

You forget to mention how other animals have engaged in homosexual acts, or how stopping gays from getting married will have no effect on the fact that there are people who fuck other people of their same gender.
You also don't seem to realized that this "issue" effects less than ten percent of the population.
No, gays are not conspiring against you or your perfect children safetly isolated from reality in your house with the two car garage and white fence, and you on the porch with a shotgun in one hand and a bible in the other.

[purpledrummer1]

Perverted, disgusting, warped, let's get things straight here, people that want to make love to the same sex have something wrong with their heart, soul, and mind.

Does anyone ever STOP to THINK that your life was born from heterosexuality, YES HELLO everyone that was born, was born from a Mother and Father, unless you did something unnatural, like artificial insemination.

Lets face it we live in a warped and perverted world, with the views of these people trying to say this is OK, well I'm sorry it's wrong.

Man was intended to have a mate as a woman, and vice versa, anyone that does not think this way has something wrong with them, and these people need some serious help.

What's sad is even a small child knows the differences of what's right and wrong because this is something born into our nature, genes, etc.. and you can never take it away.

I feel sorry for kids being born from gay couples that are getting artificial insemination, can you image one day the child asking where is my father, or mother?, to one day find out the truth.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Would it be a fair assumption that you voted for Geo. Wankerstain Bush?

[purpledrummer1]

From my moral standpoint I see homosexuality as wrong. But this is America, and if you think its cool then good for you, aint my business, you know? And no, I don't "hate" on gays, at all. Just sick of having to embrace homosexuality.

That said, I don't see how gay marriage is even an issue. Marriage is a religious union between a man and a woman, as stated in holy writings. How this involves the government, and how th government can say who is or is not your partner is beyond me.


So lets see here, ummmm,,,,I myself am a woman married to a man....legally,,we actually got a piece of paper that says so. We do not feel we need anyone or any higher entity to bless the love we have for each other. So? Does this make us sick and perverted because we're not self righteous bible thumping sheep? We don't plan on procreating either.
Any organized religion on this fucked up planet is usually the bane and start of wars which are in fact hurtling our world into such a hateful and non tolerant existence. Ya know what? Fuck the lot of all you assholes and your negative opinions of homosexuality or anything that religion deems as 'unholy'.

[purpledrummer1]

I'm all for gay marriage. Banning gay marriage isn't going to stop people from being gay. To me, it's just a modern day act of bigotry. I think that being gay isn't always a choice and possibly genetic, maybe there's a chemical imbalance in the brain, whatever.. It's genetic that most men are attracted to women, so why can't it be genetic to be attracted to the same sex? I don't care if two gay people get married, but I don't think they should be second class citizens. If we ban gay marriage, I think it should be acceptable to show prejudism to gays. Either way, stopping gay marriage won't stop homosexuality. Violent protests wouldn't be acceptable today because they would be seen as Unamerican acts and acts of Terrorism. We need a gay version of Malcom X? Hell yes.

Das, with a view like yours, I hope you don't believe in premarital sex, which is more disgusting than homosexual intercourse to me. Oral sex is disgusting too, it's just as bad as premarital sex. Instead of having sex for a child, you're getting the pleasure as you would from sex, but have no chance in having a child. This is considered sinful in some religions as far as I know.


Here! Here! Well said.

[purpledrummer1]

:rolleyes:
Howdy PurplePotatoes,

Sadly,there are Christian Churches,that have decided on their own,to ignore what God has said about homosexuality..these churches are usually infested with liberals,who are closer to being secular humanists,than real Christians.

Any church that embraces homosexuality..has strayed from God,and satan has invaded their church..satan desires to destroy all that's Good,and it would be a great victory for him,to destroy a church and it's congregation,a congregation that has turned it's back on God's Word,in order to be politically-correct.

God said that we should go forth and multiply-not reduce the population..by embracing sin and abnormality.

Why is it-that gays come to destroy the building block of society ? Marriage is meant for those who intend to reproduce and build a family,and to provide the proper male/female balance for the raising of the children. Parental authority,religious and family values,are all under attack in our schools,at the hands of gays and the liberals that support them..marriage is under attack now..it appears that gays and the Left,are doing their best to destroy the traditional family.

Having said all of that-I do feel that maybe something could be done about the legal rights of gay partners as it pertains to assets and community property. I also realize,that most gays are basically good people,that just want to have the same rights as everyone else,even though it's based solely upon sexual orientation.

Love the sinner ..hate the sin !

Have a good one...Torog


Just a quick question, cowboy. Does your christian god thinks its okay to smoke pot? :cool:

[jacquelyne]

What!? You were scared after some chick hit your exGF? Dude I would've dropkicked that bitch in the face and beat those chicks down!
lol fuck yes

[GHoSToKeR]

Fuck society, all you want to do is create a scapegoat, fuck people taking responsibility for their own actions on their pursuit of life, liberty and happiness...jews, blacks, drug users, muslims, homosexuals all evil. How do you do it, why are these people so bad?
Oh, they must stray from God, God said they are bad so they must be devil worshipers... we need to pass legislation to control them because killing them would make us look bad.
What are morals? What are family "values"? Where did they come from your bible? Ever read the constitution, your bible can't control me so that makes you mad doesn't it? Since your bible can't control me you need laws to do it, so you try to make your bible law. Fuck your bible, fuck your law. A person should be able to do what they please so long as they are not a harm to anyone else.
Do you seriously think homosexuals are a threat? Let me guess, they're worse than the muslims and terrorist...they're just as bad as those bastard liberals arn't they Torog?
Thats right, we seek to ruin what is it you hold so dearly, not your family...your religion and your book and the laws you try to pass based upon them. Why are we doing this?
Because you can't legislate morality. You can't stop me from doing drugs, drinking, gambling, speaking my mind against your beliefs, or having sex with whichever sex I prefer for however much I want to pay.
Its immoral you say?! But how is it hurting you? Oh, its not. Nor is it hurting your family, so long as these questionable activities are kept safe and legal.
You don't like it when people live how they want so you have to go and make criminals out of people who are not. In order to make them look bad you say they are a threat to family, that'll piss all the soccer moms off...then you bring in your religion because GOD forbid anybody have any freedom. So then the nation bans homosexual marriage and make homosexuals look like evil criminals.

You forget to mention how other animals have engaged in homosexual acts, or how stopping gays from getting married will have no effect on the fact that there are people who fuck other people of their same gender.
You also don't seem to realized that this "issue" effects less than ten percent of the population.
No, gays are not conspiring against you or your perfect children safetly isolated from reality in your house with the two car garage and white fence, and you on the porch with a shotgun in one hand and a bible in the other.
A-motherfucking-men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Imotep]

i did a cock sized turd once...

[Torog]

:rolleyes:


Just a quick question, cowboy. Does your christian god thinks its okay to smoke pot? :cool:
Howdy purpledrummer1,

Well daggum...I sure hope so..otherwise-I'm gonna be in big trouble ! God is probably mad at me already,for the way I talk about gays,liberals and muslim jihadists.

BTW,I ain't no cowboy-I'm just a long-haired,redneck Texas hippy..the real cowboys here in Texas,despise long-hairs like me-and I have to deal with their prejudice and bigotry,on a daily basis. I know exactly how it feels to be discriminated against..you'd think that I wouldn't want anyone else to feel that way..and I really don't want anyone to feel that way..however..when liberals and gays,or commies and socialists,try to git between parents and their children and try to indoctrinate them into their agenda..I do start to git dicriminatory..and the fight is on.

[GHoSToKeR]

Torog, one question.. do you actually know any communists?

[PurplePotatoes]

Howdy purpledrummer1,

Well daggum...I sure hope so..otherwise-I'm gonna be in big trouble ! God is probably mad at me already,for the way I talk about gays,liberals and muslim jihadists.

BTW,I ain't no cowboy-I'm just a long-haired,redneck Texas hippy..the real cowboys here in Texas,despise long-hairs like me-and I have to deal with their prejudice and bigotry,on a daily basis. I know exactly how it feels to be discriminated against..you'd think that I wouldn't want anyone else to feel that way..and I really don't want anyone to feel that way..however..when liberals and gays,or commies and socialists,try to git between parents and their children and try to indoctrinate them into their agenda..I do start to git dicriminatory..and the fight is on.

What if one of your kids were gay? Would you punish them or expell them from the family? And you make it sound like a giant conspiracy that the gays are setting up. Do you think anyone really wants to be gay? There are a few too many self loathing gays that prevent themselves from coming out of the closet... it would be much easier for them just to be straight. Unfortunately, they can't. I can understand that you're just wayyy too close minded against gays, since more than likely you grew up in a racist area, or an area full of bigotry and elitests. I'm sorry you had to grow up in that area, but don't take it out on people different than you. And socialism and communism has nothing to do with homosexuality, and isn't all that bad, it's just a different ideaology, an UNAMERICAN ideaology none the less. I'm not for either of them though, I'm a democrat/liberal (please don't tell me they are the same thing ;) ). I'm really trying not to stereotype all texans, but I guess most of them are living in the past.

I grow up in an area where prejudism is pretty much just a joke, like some kids will make racist jokes, and will just joke around with the word nigger, but nothing serious. Racism is a taught concept, so until you stop living pre-1960's, we'll never progress in society. America is supposed to be a salad bowl of all sorts of people, and how are we going to consider ourselves land of the free when not everyone has the same rights? Land of the free in the sense of no slavery (except the arabs in Iraq who we've conquered, taken over their country, and changed the government to what we believe, which I don't think is right if they didn't really want it, and we have no way of knowing), but mental slavery. Free your mind of the rules your parents set, and learn to love your brother. God put them on Earth for a reason. (I know you believe in God).

Thanks Torog,
<3<3 Purple Potatoes

[GHoSToKeR]

"Racism is a taught concept, so until you stop living pre-1960's, we'll never progress in society." - Quote of the day

[Torog]

What if one of your kids were gay? Would you punish them or expell them from the family? And you make it sound like a giant conspiracy that the gays are setting up. Do you think anyone really wants to be gay? There are a few too many self loathing gays that prevent themselves from coming out of the closet... it would be much easier for them just to be straight. Unfortunately, they can't. I can understand that you're just wayyy too close minded against gays, since more than likely you grew up in a racist area, or an area full of bigotry and elitests. I'm sorry you had to grow up in that area, but don't take it out on people different than you. And socialism and communism has nothing to do with homosexuality, and isn't all that bad, it's just a different ideaology, an UNAMERICAN ideaology none the less. I'm not for either of them though, I'm a democrat/liberal (please don't tell me they are the same thing ;) ). I'm really trying not to stereotype all texans, but I guess most of them are living in the past.

I grow up in an area where prejudism is pretty much just a joke, like some kids will make racist jokes, and will just joke around with the word nigger, but nothing serious. Racism is a taught concept, so until you stop living pre-1960's, we'll never progress in society. America is supposed to be a salad bowl of all sorts of people, and how are we going to consider ourselves land of the free when not everyone has the same rights? Land of the free in the sense of no slavery (except the arabs in Iraq who we've conquered, taken over their country, and changed the government to what we believe, which I don't think is right if they didn't really want it, and we have no way of knowing), but mental slavery. Free your mind of the rules your parents set, and learn to love your brother. God put them on Earth for a reason. (I know you believe in God).

Thanks Torog,
<3<3 Purple Potatoes
Howdy Purple Potatoes,

You ask:"What if one of your kids was gay ?"

Well..I have only one child,a daughter,praise the Lord-that she ain't gay..and may God have mercy on those who are.

What you don't seem to understand,is that for me and billions of religious folks,homosexuality..is a sin. This is not a question of civil rights..it's a question of how to love the sinner and hate the sin..as well as how to stop the spread of disease and death,that is the curse of homosexuality. Did you know-that in Saudia Arabia,homosexuals are put to the sword ? Why don't gays and those who support them-ever ask for a condemnation of shari'a law regarding homosexuals ?

You claim that socialism and communism don't have a connection-but in fact,they do. The reason is,is that the homosexual agenda,serves to divide America and attack Christianity,destroy family values and promote the spread of disease and the resulting logistical burden on health and human services,couple that with addictive drugs..and you have a recipe for disaster-which is what socialists and commies want,so they can destroy America,from within..and step in with their ideaology,as a solution.

If God put gays on earth for a reason,it would be to see how faithful we are to His Word,when He said that" man shall not lay with man,as he would his wife"..and to see how we can the love the sinner and hate the sin.

My daught was molested,at the age of five,by a bi-sexual paedophile,so I have a big chip on my shoulder-towards gays and those who claim that homosexuality is harmless and a 'right'. I realize,that most gays ain't that way and that I should not judge them all,by the actions of a few..or even one.

My parents didn't teach me to hate gays..or minorities,we are Christian and know that we must love our brothers and sisters,however,the Bible taught me that homosexuality,is a sin,in the eyes of God..and I must heed that and find a way to love the sinner and hate the sin. I will not abandon my faith or go against God,for the sake of political-correctness.

As for stereotyping Texans goes,it's the conservative folks of faith,in small towns that are viewing homosexuality as a sin,whereas,cities like Houston and Dallas,are enclaves of liberalism and gays,and those who don't believe that homosexuality is a sin.

In today's world of pc'ism,the term "progressive society",means the destruction of the traditional family and traditional values,and is really an attack against the basic foundations that all societies need,in order to thrive. That term,is also linked to Karl Marx and socialism.

Have a good one...Torog

[Arioch]

Child abuse, sexual abuse, spousal abuse, and other criminal acts are mainly committed by heterosexual males. Warfare is generally initiated by heterosexual males, usually under the rubric of some religious ideology. The spread of AIDS in most of the world is by heterosexual males. In Africa, the highest incidence rate of AIDS is among 12-year-old girls, the result of warfare by heterosexual males. The only righteous conclusion we can come to is that a better world would result from atheist gay men donating sperm to propagate the species, while heterosexual men like Torog are put to the sword.

[PurplePotatoes]

Howdy Purple Potatoes,

You ask:"What if one of your kids was gay ?"

Well..I have only one child,a daughter,praise the Lord-that she ain't gay..and may God have mercy on those who are.

What you don't seem to understand,is that for me and billions of religious folks,homosexuality..is a sin. This is not a question of civil rights..it's a question of how to love the sinner and hate the sin..as well as how to stop the spread of disease and death,that is the curse of homosexuality. Did you know-that in Saudia Arabia,homosexuals are put to the sword ? Why don't gays and those who support them-ever ask for a condemnation of shari'a law regarding homosexuals ?

You claim that socialism and communism don't have a connection-but in fact,they do. The reason is,is that the homosexual agenda,serves to divide America and attack Christianity,destroy family values and promote the spread of disease and the resulting logistical burden on health and human services,couple that with addictive drugs..and you have a recipe for disaster-which is what socialists and commies want,so they can destroy America,from within..and step in with their ideaology,as a solution.

If God put gays on earth for a reason,it would be to see how faithful we are to His Word,when He said that" man shall not lay with man,as he would his wife"..and to see how we can the love the sinner and hate the sin.

My daught was molested,at the age of five,by a bi-sexual paedophile,so I have a big chip on my shoulder-towards gays and those who claim that homosexuality is harmless and a 'right'. I realize,that most gays ain't that way and that I should not judge them all,by the actions of a few..or even one.

My parents didn't teach me to hate gays..or minorities,we are Christian and know that we must love our brothers and sisters,however,the Bible taught me that homosexuality,is a sin,in the eyes of God..and I must heed that and find a way to love the sinner and hate the sin. I will not abandon my faith or go against God,for the sake of political-correctness.

As for stereotyping Texans goes,it's the conservative folks of faith,in small towns that are viewing homosexuality as a sin,whereas,cities like Houston and Dallas,are enclaves of liberalism and gays,and those who don't believe that homosexuality is a sin.

In today's world of pc'ism,the term "progressive society",means the destruction of the traditional family and traditional values,and is really an attack against the basic foundations that all societies need,in order to thrive. That term,is also linked to Karl Marx and socialism.

Have a good one...Torog

Torog,

I'm all for family values, don't get me wrong, but the majority of sins are CHOICE. I'm trying really hard to think of a sin that is on the genetic level, other than homosexuality. It says that homosexuality is a sin in the Bible, but you must consider that the Bible was NOT written by God himself. There are fallacies within the Bible, and the Bible was written my man. To me, I believe homosexuality is something that happens on the genetic level, and not controllable. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bible reflected the beliefs of society back then, rather than what God said. In the bible, it says that slavery is okay, if the slave is from a neighboring nation. "Love thy brother"... but it's okay for him to be your slave?

On the political level, I understand that homosexuality is a sin, and you don't want a sin to become acceptable. But think of many, many other sins that are encouraged and considered acceptable. Gambling, foul language, pre-marital sex, and many sex practices... but I don't think God is just going to throw in the towel and send you to Hell for one sin. If he was, we'd all be damned from the start. Marriage really isn't a religious thing anymore, it's just two people promising eachother they're going to live and love eachother until they die or divorce. If it was a religious thing, then why wouldn't people take them seriously? The divorce rate is sky high in this country, which is obvious.

I do believe homosexuality is a sin, but at the same time I don't look down upon them as sinners and second class citizens. It's not their fault they're gay (well, I believe that). And when I say progress, I don't mean it in any terms of socialism, communism, destruction of family values, or any of that. I just mean it in a sense of making our world a better place, AKA, living and learning. Also the communist party and socialist party are a VERY small percentage of Americans population within the political spectrum. I'd say the Green party would even put those two parties to shame. But communism and socialism does work in small dosages, however. You could say the end of Laissez Faire during the great depression was viewed by conservatives as socialism/communism, but hey, it got us out of the hole we were in, although it hit the richer, greedy percent of the population that had much money at the time and were the only people that had anything to lose (which was a small percent of the population). If anything, I feel religion is dividing our country. Bombs in the name of Allah, political differences due to God, Atheists claiming that religion is being forced upon them, and the Mormons... well, I won't go into Mormons ;) . But the point is, we HAVE to get along. If the Gays feel it's REALLY important that they are able to marry, just because they want the same rights as American citizens, then let them have it. You aren't sinning in the process of letting them marry, and you're not gay yourself. Although Democracy is the process of what the majority believes is what goes, It'd be better if there was a way to compromise, or if the voters could learn the process of give and take.

I can kind of understand what you're saying, even though I disagree with you. I'm really sorry about your daughter though, I sure as hell wouldn't be so forgiving. I mean, I wish your opinion was the same as mine, (but hey, I'd like it if people saw eye to eye with me on every level), but I'm pretty sure you're set in your ways. I'm not all that old, so I might not be completely in the game of politics, life, etc.

--P.P.

[moomoo]

im definatly for it-im not gay-i think everyone should have equal rights-and gays should be able to take in foster chilren as well. id rather see a foster kid with cultured gay parents than in a low life situation were their just into it for the checks!

[Nullific]

Hey Torog, any comment on my previous post? Oh no, I guess you shouldn't waste your time debating with bastard liberals.


What you don't seem to understand,is that for me and billions of religious folks,homosexuality..is a sin. This is not a question of civil rights..it's a question of how to love the sinner and hate the sin..as well as how to stop the spread of disease and death,that is the curse of homosexuality. Did you know-that in Saudia Arabia,homosexuals are put to the sword ? Why don't gays and those who support them-ever ask for a condemnation of shari'a law regarding homosexuals ?

So is premarital sex, but is that stopping anybody? Oh, and its also a sin for men to have long hair. According to the bible disobedient children should be stoned to death. Religion should not be law, especially not in a "free" country such as the United States. Shari'a law doesn't have a damn thing to do with homosexuals. It sounds like you're saying "at least we don't kill them".

You claim that socialism and communism don't have a connection-but in fact,they do. The reason is,is that the homosexual agenda,serves to divide America and attack Christianity,destroy family values and promote the spread of disease and the resulting logistical burden on health and human services,couple that with addictive drugs..and you have a recipe for disaster-which is what socialists and commies want,so they can destroy America,from within..and step in with their ideaology,as a solution.
Homosexual agenda? Im more tired of the christian conservative agenda myself. None of the homosexuals I know have any sort of "agenda", they're people just me and you (you are a person, right?) the only difference is that they prefer to be with others of the same or both sexes. You wouldn't have even suspected them of being homosexual.
What you're trying to do here is essentially the same thing Hitler did, you're saying homosexuals seek to destroy the nation and spread disease.

If God put gays on earth for a reason,it would be to see how faithful we are to His Word,when He said that" man shall not lay with man,as he would his wife"..and to see how we can the love the sinner and hate the sin.
Is this the same God that killed all those babies in egypt? Real nice.

[XTC]

I like how some people actually still think Marriage is sacred in this day and age. HA! IF you can get married in a drive thru- by some obese fat Elvis its not sacred. Hell, Michael Jackson was married once. I would say a moderate portion of people marry because Oh Yes people Money, Greed, Wealth. Come on Greed is the American Way nowadays Bush is a strong supporter of Greed and lies. Anyway to the Gay Topic. It seems like Torog knows A lot about this gay evil doers (maybe Tor is hidding something?). How they Recruit people. I wonder how they do this. Is there an application? and can a gay person get denied Recuritment. What are the Prequests. I once never had a gay person come up to me and try to "recruit" me. But I sure see a hell of lot of liberals and Christians doing so. And that they have this secret society of evil gays that prey on children. Yes they are plenty of sick fucks out there who pray on children, but saying there is a society of gays doing this? Please, who ever told you that was full of it. Another thing, A lot of psychologists and doctors STRONGLY believe that Homosexuality is Genetic. A less of a choice.

Torog, you do have to realized that most people have an open mind and don't follow your people's Chrisitan ways. I do believe in God, but I dont shove it down people throats till there ready to vomit. It also says in the bible not to judge anyone and only God shall judge people. Hell lets throw out the legal system and release Millions of rapists, murders, thieves and let them have their day with god, whenever that might be.

Torog, you're living in the past man, your polishing the brass on the titanic. You just have to accept that Most people now a days are open minded and accepting.

Why am I picking on Torog? When there were lots of other bigots? Well, I read between the lines of Torog's posts. He wouldnt mind if we started putting gays to death.

Now, I am not gay or anything, but people should be able to live their own life, as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. Rule of Thumb: Be Yourself

[XTC]

I hate to double post, but me and Nul seem to see eye to eye on things here. I can't wait for Tor's Opinion opps I mean... rebuttal

[Torog]

F*ck society, all you want to do is create a scapegoat, f*ck people taking responsibility for their own actions on their pursuit of life, liberty and happiness...jews, blacks, drug users, muslims, homosexuals all evil. How do you do it, why are these people so bad?
Oh, they must stray from God, God said they are bad so they must be devil worshipers... we need to pass legislation to control them because killing them would make us look bad.
What are morals? What are family "values"? Where did they come from your bible? Ever read the constitution, your bible can't control me so that makes you mad doesn't it? Since your bible can't control me you need laws to do it, so you try to make your bible law. F*ck your bible, f*ck your law. A person should be able to do what they please so long as they are not a harm to anyone else.
Do you seriously think homosexuals are a threat? Let me guess, they're worse than the muslims and terrorist...they're just as bad as those bastard liberals arn't they Torog?
Thats right, we seek to ruin what is it you hold so dearly, not your family...your religion and your book and the laws you try to pass based upon them. Why are we doing this?
Because you can't legislate morality. You can't stop me from doing drugs, drinking, gambling, speaking my mind against your beliefs, or having sex with whichever sex I prefer for however much I want to pay.
Its immoral you say?! But how is it hurting you? Oh, its not. Nor is it hurting your family, so long as these questionable activities are kept safe and legal.
You don't like it when people live how they want so you have to go and make criminals out of people who are not. In order to make them look bad you say they are a threat to family, that'll piss all the soccer moms off...then you bring in your religion because GOD forbid anybody have any freedom. So then the nation bans homosexual marriage and make homosexuals look like evil criminals.

You forget to mention how other animals have engaged in homosexual acts, or how stopping gays from getting married will have no effect on the fact that there are people who f*ck other people of their same gender.
You also don't seem to realized that this "issue" effects less than ten percent of the population.
No, gays are not conspiring against you or your perfect children safetly isolated from reality in your house with the two car garage and white fence, and you on the porch with a shotgun in one hand and a bible in the other.
Howdy Nullific,

I've never said that Jews,blacks or even peaceful muslims,if there is such a thing,are evil. In fact,my girlfriend is Jewish..and it's the democrappers who are being rascist and hateful,towards Condi Rice and Colin Powell..why is the Left being so rascist towars Condi and Powell,given that they are supposed to be the party of inclusion for blacks ? I'm on Israel's side and and I support the Jews,against Islam and all of their other enemies-and I believe that the US should continue all aid to Israel,and help to arm Her..I'm one of those Christians who believe that those nations who seek to destroy Israel-will be cursed by God.

The good thing about Christianity,is that none are forced to be Christians,it's purely voluntary. Whereas with Islam,many are forced to convert or be killed,they must pay a dhimmini tax,for the crime of being an infidel. Even as we speak,Christians around the world,are being tortured,murdered and sold into slavery-at the hands of muslims. I don't reckon ,that you will ever condemn that,because you seem to hate Christians and Christianity,with all of your heart.

I don't know where ya got yer schooling at,but much of western society,has laws based on Judaic and Biblical principles. For any society to be stable and productive,there have to be laws and a rule of law.

I think that all terrorists,of any stripe,are a much bigger threat at this time..however,when the gay radical agenda,forces it's way between children and their parents-in order to force them to be tolerant towards a un-natural deathstyle..they do constitute a grave threat to the order of society. Children in liberal school systems,especially those of Faith,are under a multi-pronged attack,from liberals,anti-religion types and gays.

Banning gay marriage,doesn't make gays criminals,but it does preserve and protect ,the sacred institution of marriage,which is meant to be for those of opposite sex,a traditional family,is what makes society strong. If gays succeed in being able to legally marry,then all of the other sexual deviants will step forward and demand their right to marry with their favorite goat-or the child they have been molesting..granting rights based on sexual deviancy,is a slippery slope.

You have it backwards,when ya say that this issue only affects 10% of the population-it's 10% of the population-that's affecting the other 90%. By destroying the building block of society,marriage,all of society,begins to crumble..and that affects everyone. We are not talking about animals engaging in homosexual acts,which is for power and control,not love..we're talking about humans.

I do have a Bible and a shotgun-just no front porch to sit on..so I use a lawn chair.

Have a good one...Torog

[Torog]

Howdy XTC,

You wrote:


"I like how some people actually still think Marriage is sacred in this day and age. HA! IF you can get married in a drive thru- by some obese fat Elvis its not sacred. Hell, Michael Jackson was married once. I would say a moderate portion of people marry because Oh Yes people Money, Greed, Wealth. Come on Greed is the American Way nowadays Bush is a strong supporter of Greed and lies. Anyway to the Gay Topic. It seems like Torog knows A lot about this gay evil doers (maybe Tor is hidding something?). How they Recruit people. I wonder how they do this. Is there an application? and can a gay person get denied Recuritment. What are the Prequests. I once never had a gay person come up to me and try to "recruit" me. But I sure see a hell of lot of liberals and Christians doing so. And that they have this secret society of evil gays that prey on children. Yes they are plenty of sick f*cks out there who pray on children, but saying there is a society of gays doing this? Please, who ever told you that was full of it. Another thing, A lot of psychologists and doctors STRONGLY believe that Homosexuality is Genetic. A less of a choice."

Marriage,is made sacred by God and the two who join,who believe that theirs is a sacred contract with God..therefore,it does not matter how one gits married,or where..if the two believe that they are joining together in sacred union and in a contract with God,that's what matters most. As far as me knowing alot about the coercive means that gays are employing against children in school and society at large,I could point you to the website- http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/ . Also,as a soldier,it behooves me to study the ways and means,of all enemies,both foreign and domestic..no matter how repulsed I may be. The attack at the basic building block of society,constitutes a domestic threat against America..just as surely as any foreign soldier or terrorist. It's one thing,for adults to engage in what they want behind closed doors..and an entirely different thing,when they come into the schools and discriminate against children of Faith,interposing themselves between the parent and child..and attempting to cram tolerance down their throats,and destroy all moral and religious values,that the parents wish to instill in their children.

"Torog, you do have to realized that most people have an open mind and don't follow your people's Chrisitan ways. I do believe in God, but I dont shove it down people throats till there ready to vomit. It also says in the bible not to judge anyone and only God shall judge people. Hell lets throw out the legal system and release Millions of rapists, murders, thieves and let them have their day with god, whenever that might be."

XTC,you need to realize,that most folks where I live,have a Christian view-point toward homosexuality,and many are far more redneck about it-than me..you think that I'm bad..you ain't seen nothing. I try to leave the judgeing to God,but I'm only human..and therefore imperfect and a sinner. I believe,that God wants us to live by his Commandments and Word,and that He does not want anarchy and chaos in society-so rapists,murderers and thieves,need to be judged by their peers and placed in jail,for the good of all. God judges the soul..we enact the rule of law as it applies in the physical realm.

"Torog, you're living in the past man, your polishing the brass on the titanic. You just have to accept that Most people now a days are open minded and accepting."

What you're talking about,is political correctness..not religious belief,those folks of Faith,are the majority in this country still. The 'open-mindedness' that you speak of,is promulgated by Hollywierd and the liberal media,both of whom,are only represenative of the minority of amoral relativists..it's 'perception management',on a grand scale.

"Why am I picking on Torog? When there were lots of other bigots? Well, I read between the lines of Torog's posts. He wouldnt mind if we started putting gays to death."

I do mind and I don't want any gays put to death..except for those who've committed capitol crimes..like the two gays who tortured and murdered,13 year old Jesse Dirkhising.

"Now, I am not gay or anything, but people should be able to live their own life, as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. Rule of Thumb: Be Yourself "
I agree with your last statement..not sure about that rule of thumb thing tho,my rule of thumb..is to be humble and grateful towards God,from Whom,all blessings flow.

Have a good one...Torog

[F L E S H]

Torog, there are other people on this board that don't support gay marriage, and are otherwise more conservative than most people here, but people like you genuinely frighten me. I'm scared that if there ever are enough people like you, then freedom will truly be out of our grasp, truly will we be living in a dictatorial theocracy.

You stand for everything that is WRONG in the US today. Your violence (not against us, but against all those you deem to be inacceptable, just becuase you read it somewhere), your hatred, your racism, your homophobia, your belief in 'communist conspiracies'.... For the love of God, who you say you obey, don't you see what your saying?

There is only one kind of person perpetuating hatred and violence against gays and those otherwise different from North Americans and Western Europeans, and that's people like you.

You ever read any histories about Hitler? Except for the Jews, who you say you love (strangely enough), you're exactly the same, it's scary. Just make a topic entitle "Mein Kampf" and get it over with, that's where you're headed.

[GHoSToKeR]

I agree F L E S H, well said bro

Torog, you said "The good thing about Christianity,is that none are forced to be Christians,it's purely voluntary. Whereas with Islam,many are forced to convert or be killed".. The truth is that Christianity has been using the "convert or be killed" method for centuries... Only recently has it stopped, not its "convert or be called evil"

[Encatuse]

The truth is that Christianity has been using the "convert or be killed" method for centuries... Only recently has it stopped, not its "convert or be called evil"

That thar's sum on-esty if I ever dun gawn and seen it.

Translation: A+

[sawleaf]

Sorry Torog, I'm gonna have to agree with these guys. You are always for freedom, but it seems to be selected freedom for those people you approve of, not true freedom. This is supposed to be a free country established for the people, not against them, but we are becoming less free each day. If you are truely for freedom then you wouldn't divide and seperate people the way you do. Do you think the Lord would want you to hate your fellow man? I try not to hate people, but it is hard at times Torog, I know. It is easier to see if you put aside your views for a minute and try to look at it from other people's perspectives. People just want to enjoy their lives and live in happiness. What is so wrong with that? Does it make you mad that others unlike you or maybe more like you than you think, want to be happy and enjoy their lives also? I'm sure you'd be suprised, but there are a lot of homosexuals who are republican and did vote for Bush! Hell, I even know gay NRA members. Just as shocking as finding such a right-wing conservative on a pro-cannabis website! Our founding fathers were extremely intelligent men. Their goal was to create a country with the least restrictive government, which would allow as much personal freedom as possible, and would not be run by the religion. I am a fellow Christian Torog, I'm just wishing you'd be a bit more openminded in your views.

[Torog]

Sorry Torog, I'm gonna have to agree with these guys. You are always for freedom, but it seems to be selected freedom for those people you approve of, not true freedom. This is supposed to be a free country established for the people, not against them, but we are becoming less free each day. If you are truely for freedom then you wouldn't divide and seperate people the way you do. Do you think the Lord would want you to hate your fellow man? I try not to hate people, but it is hard at times Torog, I know. It is easier to see if you put aside your views for a minute and try to look at it from other people's perspectives. People just want to enjoy their lives and live in happiness. What is so wrong with that? Does it make you mad that others unlike you or maybe more like you than you think, want to be happy and enjoy their lives also? I'm sure you'd be suprised, but there are a lot of homosexuals who are republican and did vote for Bush! Hell, I even know gay NRA members. Just as shocking as finding such a right-wing conservative on a pro-cannabis website! Our founding fathers were extremely intelligent men. Their goal was to create a country with the least restrictive government, which would allow as much personal freedom as possible, and would not be run by the religion. I am a fellow Christian Torog, I'm just wishing you'd be a bit more openminded in your views.
Howdy sawleaf,

Well daggumit..you're probably right..I'm being a bit heavy-handed,and like ya say,folks just want to be happy in their lives..who am I to judge what's ok or not ? Like i said earlier to Nullific or XTC,I can't recall which-there are alot of folks in this area where I'm at,mostly the redneck cowboys,that think it's a grand sport..to beat up any gays they come across,while they are out drinking on Saturday night..you think I'm bad..whew ! They also like to beat up long-hairs like me..well..I'm a pretty big guy-so they usually just leave me alone.

My biggest problem,is giving or granting or rewarding,sexual deviancy with rights..I don't believe that is right-especially if it puts children at risk. I don't believe that parental authority,should be usurped in order to promote the acceptance of a sexually deviant lifestyle. I believe that school should be about learning -not exploring one's sexuality-before one is even mature enough,emotionally or physically,to be making those kind of decisions. I don't believe that kindergardners,should be encouraged to experiment with masturbation or oral sex,as has been done by some schools in California and probably Massachusetts.

Yup..I know about Log Cabin Republicans, but I didn't know about gays in the NRA ! Heck..I guess huntin and shootin,are fun for everyone..even gay fellers. I'll try and be more open-minded,but it ain't easy,given that I was raised to believe that there are very few excuses for bad behaviour and bad choices..nor excuses for not gittin something done-and done right the first time.

My old man,raised my brother and I,real strict..and his old man was even stricter,there was no room for amoral relativism,no excuse for not learning from our mistakes,and we got beat with a belt and knocked up side the head..and my dad is 6'5'' tall and pure muscle and meaness. We were forged into men-with hard work and hard discipline. These days,younguns are lazy,disrespectful to their parents and elders,use every excuse under the Sun,to git out of work or living up to their responsibilities,and have no sense of humbleness or gratefulness,or how to honor others. I blame modern liberalism for that and it seems like pushing acceptance of a sexually deviant life-style,is just another way to avoid the responsibility of gittin married and having a family..oops-there I go again..with my old-fashioned values..sorry for that.

Have a good one...Torog

[sawleaf]

I hope you know Torog, that I didn't post a personal attack. I know your a decent guy and do mean well. A lot of people on this site are decent, it's just that we have such conflicting views. A lot of us refuse to see or accept other people's opinions as well. I am not for homosexuality at all, but I am not against it either. My view is that, if you want to persue happiness in your life and with your lifestyle, then you should be free to do so, as long as you are not interfering with other peoples lives. That's why it makes me so upset when people try to take away my guns or when the government says I'm a criminal for smoking cannabis. I am not hurting anyone, yet there are people out there who would disarm me or arrest me without hesitation. Why???

[GHoSToKeR]

"These days,younguns are lazy,disrespectful to their parents and elders,use every excuse under the Sun,to git out of work or living up to their responsibilities,and have no sense of humbleness or gratefulness,or how to honor others." You obviously dont know many 'younguns'.. The people you are describing are the minority among 'younguns', not the majority

[Highaz]

I do not care about the title marriage but gays should have equal rights.

In regards to "your" own ingnorant religious beliefs well we will all be judged.

It is up to god not the people who call thenselves chirstians. Such Hypocrites.

Gays have to learn to deal with all the ignorance that society shows.
Many hide until they realize that it is nobodys business.
Gay people do not choose to be gay!

Move on

[F L E S H]

These days,younguns are lazy,disrespectful to their parents and elders,use every excuse under the Sun,to git out of work or living up to their responsibilities,and have no sense of humbleness or gratefulness,or how to honor others. I blame modern liberalism for that and it seems like pushing acceptance of a sexually deviant life-style,is just another way to avoid the responsibility of gittin married and having a family..oops-there I go again..with my old-fashioned values..sorry for that.

You think you're so original typing things like that? I'm a historian, so I read a lot of old stuff. I was once reading a book about John Stow, who wrote a survey of London during his life, in the 16th century, you know, the age of Elizabeth I, shakespeare, and all that crap. He must have written that sentence about a million times. In fact, it's the theme of his book.

I also translate some Ancient Greek, and I don't remember the author off the top of my head, might be either Plato or Herodotus, but again they said the same thing as you, only 2,500 years ago....

If all these people were right, then today's world would be in total chaos, death and destruction would reign supreme and there would be orgies at every street corner.

Fact is, o wise, all-knowing one, homosexuality is not a liberal thing, it has existed since the dawn of humanity. Who knows, maybe some of your own heroes were closet homosexuals.

In any case, isn't it better to let people live the way they want, instead of forcing a gay man to marry a woman and have kids and be miserable for the rest of his life, and make his family miserable too? No! screw happiness and liberty! because the Bible says so....

[Torog]

You think you're so original typing things like that? I'm a historian, so I read a lot of old stuff. I was once reading a book about John Stow, who wrote a survey of London during his life, in the 16th century, you know, the age of Elizabeth I, shakespeare, and all that crap. He must have written that sentence about a million times. In fact, it's the theme of his book.

I also translate some Ancient Greek, and I don't remember the author off the top of my head, might be either Plato or Herodotus, but again they said the same thing as you, only 2,500 years ago....

If all these people were right, then today's world would be in total chaos, death and destruction would reign supreme and there would be orgies at every street corner.

Fact is, o wise, all-knowing one, homosexuality is not a liberal thing, it has existed since the dawn of humanity. Who knows, maybe some of your own heroes were closet homosexuals.

In any case, isn't it better to let people live the way they want, instead of forcing a gay man to marry a woman and have kids and be miserable for the rest of his life, and make his family miserable too? No! screw happiness and liberty! because the Bible says so....
Howdy FLESH,

I have had an epiphany..a revelation,if you wll..after watching the tv show,"Wife Swap",the other night..I saw just how ugly and horrible,that I've been towards gay folks..and I'm putting a screeching halt to that kind of ugly-and re-evaluating my whole position towards gays.

The gay gals that were on this show, and the one who traded places with the Christian woman,for two weeks,finally made me understand just how ugly and cruel,that I have been towards gay folks..she really touched my heart.

I now realize..that everyone deserves happiness and to be able to choose whom they wish to be with,I'm no longer gonna claim that I know what's best for anyone..because it's not up to me to do that,and I should just leave it to God's Hands. If I could,I think I would go and delete every ugly thing I've said in this thread and every other,here and at MariHemp.

God works in mysterious ways..it took a plea from the heart of a lesbian gal,to make me finally understand just how cruel that I've been. I apologize to any gay folks here that have read my cruel words..and have been deeply hurt by them. Somehow,we gotta find a way to work things out-so that everyone can be happy and live their lives as they choose.

Have a good one...Torog

[F L E S H]

Hey Torog, I saw your post and responded to you in that thread, unfortunately I had written this before and couldn't change it anymore. Sometimes you amaze me, man! :D

[PurplePotatoes]

Howdy FLESH,

I have had an epiphany..a revelation,if you wll..after watching the tv show,"Wife Swap",the other night..I saw just how ugly and horrible,that I've been towards gay folks..and I'm putting a screeching halt to that kind of ugly-and re-evaluating my whole position towards gays.

The gay gals that were on this show, and the one who traded places with the Christian woman,for two weeks,finally made me understand just how ugly and cruel,that I have been towards gay folks..she really touched my heart.

I now realize..that everyone deserves happiness and to be able to choose whom they wish to be with,I'm no longer gonna claim that I know what's best for anyone..because it's not up to me to do that,and I should just leave it to God's Hands. If I could,I think I would go and delete every ugly thing I've said in this thread and every other,here and at MariHemp.

God works in mysterious ways..it took a plea from the heart of a lesbian gal,to make me finally understand just how cruel that I've been. I apologize to any gay folks here that have read my cruel words..and have been deeply hurt by them. Somehow,we gotta find a way to work things out-so that everyone can be happy and live their lives as they choose.

Have a good one...Torog

I don't wanna make it seem like "I was right the entire time and now you finally get it", but I'm glad you've changed your mind. It's not your fault that you thought this way, it's really hard to incorporate religion with the entire world, being we live in a world full of sin. You can't blame yourself, if you feel a certain way, then it doesn't mean your a bad person, it just means you think a different way. (I'm having a hard time saying this, since I'm trying not to seem like an ass, and express myself correctly). But if you feel that you have the correct stance on this argument, then I'm happy for you, as long as you know how you feel and why you do, you should never feel alienated from others because of your beliefs :) . Best of luck to you, Torog.

--P.P.

[GHoSToKeR]

Howdy FLESH,

I have had an epiphany..a revelation,if you wll..after watching the tv show,"Wife Swap",the other night..I saw just how ugly and horrible,that I've been towards gay folks..and I'm putting a screeching halt to that kind of ugly-and re-evaluating my whole position towards gays.

The gay gals that were on this show, and the one who traded places with the Christian woman,for two weeks,finally made me understand just how ugly and cruel,that I have been towards gay folks..she really touched my heart.

I now realize..that everyone deserves happiness and to be able to choose whom they wish to be with,I'm no longer gonna claim that I know what's best for anyone..because it's not up to me to do that,and I should just leave it to God's Hands. If I could,I think I would go and delete every ugly thing I've said in this thread and every other,here and at MariHemp.

God works in mysterious ways..it took a plea from the heart of a lesbian gal,to make me finally understand just how cruel that I've been. I apologize to any gay folks here that have read my cruel words..and have been deeply hurt by them. Somehow,we gotta find a way to work things out-so that everyone can be happy and live their lives as they choose.

Have a good one...Torog :) :D

[Epic]

Howdy FLESH,

I have had an epiphany..a revelation,if you wll..after watching the tv show,"Wife Swap",the other night..I saw just how ugly and horrible,that I've been towards gay folks..and I'm putting a screeching halt to that kind of ugly-and re-evaluating my whole position towards gays.

The gay gals that were on this show, and the one who traded places with the Christian woman,for two weeks,finally made me understand just how ugly and cruel,that I have been towards gay folks..she really touched my heart.

I now realize..that everyone deserves happiness and to be able to choose whom they wish to be with,I'm no longer gonna claim that I know what's best for anyone..because it's not up to me to do that,and I should just leave it to God's Hands. If I could,I think I would go and delete every ugly thing I've said in this thread and every other,here and at MariHemp.

God works in mysterious ways..it took a plea from the heart of a lesbian gal,to make me finally understand just how cruel that I've been. I apologize to any gay folks here that have read my cruel words..and have been deeply hurt by them. Somehow,we gotta find a way to work things out-so that everyone can be happy and live their lives as they choose.

Have a good one...Torog


This has to be a first on any board I have ever read, or seen in rl.

You broke the mold :D :D :D

[easton]

I'm not gonna lie..I am a total homophobe. I get goosbumps every time I am near a queer. But think about this, if you are so against gay marriage you are no different then others who are so against pot. I would rather not see gay marriages and stuff, but I am not a radical.

[llamaman666]

Howdy juggalo420,

I'm against gay marriage and I believe that there needs to be a Constitutional ban,in order to protect us from activist,liberal judges. Being a conservative Christian and a strong believer in traditional family values,is another degree of opposition that I have against gay marriage. The most I would accede to-is a civil union.

Gays don't reproduce,they recruit..which is why America's children,are under assault from them and are being exploited sexually in our schools,in order to promote the homosexual agenda,part of which,I believe,is to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child,because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is. There are schools,where children of kindergarden age,have been subjected to sessions of sexual education,which consisted of teaching the children how to masturbate and explore the world of oral sex,older children have also been 'taught',the fine art of fisting.

I believe that the natural progression of a gay agenda,to secure marriage rights,will also lead to other sexual perverts demanding 'rights' as well..such as pedophiles,the incestuous and bestialists. They all have several things in common,they 'recruit',entice and seduce-their partners and they all want to ban Christianity and any other religion,that bans their favorite form of perversion. In several countries around the world,like Saudi Arabia,where I worked once,homosexuality is a crime punishable by death..why is it that homosexuals aren't condemning Islam ?

Homosexuals,constitute a fraction of the populace,yet they demand that all of society and religious faith-change to suit their twisted desires. Homosexuals are driven by desire and impulse..which is why few are faithful,and most are promiscuous to a deadly fault..with deadly consequences for everyone..in the form of STD's and Aids.


dude, you make me feel like im on a bad cocaine trip.
no agenda, people are born gay or not gay.
conservatives called SPONGE BOB SQUARE PANTS secret gay marketing
gays divorce rate is 2 percent, straits it is 44 percent.
when was the last time a gay has jumped on you a forcefully sucked your cock torog, everyone. I am making a the middle of the line thread titled, I HATE TOROG

[llamaman666]

o, and gays have exactly the same amount of STDs as straigts. They want people to accept them, not make them gay. You want gays to be strait, i hate you

[amsterdam]

thought you were moving to canada??good bye!!go!

[swoopgrlz]

i don't get it... what difference does it make either way. they aint displaying shit in front of you. they don't choose to be that way. you're a close-minded freak.

[Dick Justice]

I haven't read the past 8 pages here. I'm just stopping in to give my readymade response to an all-too-common issue.


1. Nobody chooses to be gay. They live that way, it happens. Seriously, nobody would CHOOSE to live in a way that causes them to be hated and oppressed every day of their lives. That's like choosing to tie bricks to your penis when you wake up every morning.

2. There's nothing wrong with being gay. Because it happens to people naturally and uncontrollably, it is natural. The bible is not the be-all, end-all on these issues. Just because it doesn't produce offspring doesn't mean it's not natural. It's because it occurs naturally that it's natural.

3. Just because gays choose not to hide their lifestyles under a shroud of shame doesn't mean they're trying to recruit or corrupt others. Homosexuality is not a disease, nor is it a corruption. It is a way of life.

4. I read Torog's epiphany post--I'm floored. Torog, I may not agree with you on many issues, political or otherwise, but I'd still like to show you as an example to others. You have the capacity to CHANGE YOUR MIND, to re-evaluate what you believe is truth, and to look at things from a new perspective. Not a lot of people are capable of this. Good on you, sir.

[Torog]

Howdy DJ,

You said:4. "I read Torog's epiphany post--I'm floored. Torog, I may not agree with you on many issues, political or otherwise, but I'd still like to show you as an example to others. You have the capacity to CHANGE YOUR MIND, to re-evaluate what you believe is truth, and to look at things from a new perspective. Not a lot of people are capable of this. Good on you, sir."

I do believe,that gays should be treated with respect and common courtesy,just like everyone else and that there's a place for them in society,they shouldn't have to live in shame or sacrifice their dignity as human beings. I think this is an issue,to be decided between the adults,and not bring the children into the fray..let them learn their abc's and 123's..and just let them be children..their parents should decide when they want their children to learn about sex and moral issues.

Now then--for another revelation..my dealer,is a lesbian..with a bisexual girlfriend. I shocked my girlfriend yesterday,when the subject came up..I told her,that I was not going to critisize them,for their lifestyle and sexual orientation. I am trying to change my attitude towards gay folks and realize,that they simply want what everyone else wants,freedom,dignity,choice and equality. I'm not trying to be politically-correct..I just think that it's high time for me to be more compassionate and less hateful,and to work out some kind of compromise.

Have a good one...

[Encatuse]

Torog, Man. I'm high, but I'm absolutely floored. I honestly wish I knew you in person so we could smoke sometime. I think there's a ton I could learn from you. I still think some of your opinions are ignorant, and I know you still think some of mine are kind of looney, but I have a lot of respect for you right now. I'm having some sort of an epiphany I suppose that I don't actually have to dislike people who think things or do things that I feel are wrong. -laughs- Odd. Anyway, thanks for that. It's your turn to have a good one. ^.^

[Torog]

Torog, Man. I'm high, but I'm absolutely floored. I honestly wish I knew you in person so we could smoke sometime. I think there's a ton I could learn from you. I still think some of your opinions are ignorant, and I know you still think some of mine are kind of looney, but I have a lot of respect for you right now. I'm having some sort of an epiphany I suppose that I don't actually have to dislike people who think things or do things that I feel are wrong. -laughs- Odd. Anyway, thanks for that. It's your turn to have a good one. ^.^
Howdy Encatuse,

Thanx for your kind words..I tell you what-sometimes when I see my opinons on the puter screen..I think they are ignorant too..lol.

Yup..just because we have different opinions and beliefs,there ain't no call for hating each other..my liberal,Jewish girlfriend,has taught me how to agree to disagree,without hate or malice,she's taught me more about compassion and tolerance,these last 9 years,than I would have ever learned on my own. When my daughter and I,found ourselves on the street-it was her Jewish family,that took us in and fed us and kept us warm,when there were no Christians around to help. I no longer blame Jews for the crucifixion of Christ,I blame the Romans,and solidly support the democracy of Israel..and I also support a peaceful,Palestinian State.

I have alot of work to do still,in the area of compassion and tolerance..but I'd like to believe,that this here old dog..can learn some new things.

Have a good one...

[GHoSToKeR]

Torog, just when I thought I had you figured, you go and surprise me like this again lol :)

[F L E S H]

I blame the Romans
I'm Italian!! Now you're offeding me!! :eek:

Just a joke :D

You do realize Jesus says not to blame anyone, it was paart of his divine plan... Why do you have to blame someone?

[F L E S H]

I do believe,that gays should be treated with respect and common courtesy,just like everyone else and that there's a place for them in society,they shouldn't have to live in shame or sacrifice their dignity as human beings. I think this is an issue,to be decided between the adults,and not bring the children into the fray..let them learn their abc's and 123's..and just let them be children..their parents should decide when they want their children to learn about sex and moral issues.

Of all the months I've been here reading your posts, this is the only paragraph you ever wrote that isn't rife with labels, insults, stereotypes, paranoia, government mind-control. Yay!

[Torog]

Of all the months I've been here reading your posts, this is the only paragraph you ever wrote that isn't rife with labels, insults, stereotypes, paranoia, government mind-control. Yay!
Howdy FLESH,

Dang..does that mean that there's hope for me yet ?

Have a good one !

[dazedandcontributing]

no offence to any americans but honestly you should all just stop watching yours news and wait till a canadian news channel like cbc or ctv filters it because it seems like they try to keep you afraid of change so that your country can stay in a confused state power to most of the people who posted on this subject and sifted through the bullshit i support gay marriage. a friend of mine and her better part just got married and its like she said"we should have the right to be as misserable as straights" lol

[moomoo]

i totally agree with you. always drama

[Creeper]

fuckin homophobics...grow a brain. You's think your betta than them coz their different. Theres a thing called discrimination, but no...America fought a war against Nazis but struggled to overcome the same things their fighting against. American society has still alot to overcome and its people like you who contribute to that.


..... The nazis were killing people dude...were not killing anyone, were just trying to stop homosexuality and its the only thing we can really do about it..but that wont work cause people will still be gay, but I think its totally wrong and I agree with das 100%

[Stedric]

were not killing anyone
Homophobics not killing anyone? My ass you're not killing anyone. Matthew Shephard would tell you differently. Homosexuality is natural, but even if it wasn't, why do you use "natural" as if it was relevant? Not many things your typical north american human being does are "natural". Is consuming tons of fast food natural? Is sticking more and more toxins into the atmosphere and ocean natural? If any Right wing Christian asshole told me going to the same boring building every Sunday and killing each other in the name of a 2000 year old Carpenter's son is "natural" I'll laugh in his face.

Also, in Canada they are trying to have a "referendum" on gay marriage. How stupid is that? A majority deciding the fate of a minority. If they had had a referendum on slavery in America in the 1800s how do you think it would have turned out?

Sorry for ranting so long, I tend to do that while baked.

[hydro420]

dudes i totally agree with head hemp jack on this subject, fags are digusting... plain and simple.

[makor01]

Who gives a shit actually. This is just uncle sam trying to stick his nose where it doesnt belong. The government does not have the power to tell you who you can or cant love. If youre not gay then marry the opposite sex, if youre gay then marry whoever makes you happy. There are some things in this world that you cannot govern and love is one of them, gay or straight. If you dont like it dont look at it.

I think there is alot more fucked up shit on this earth happening than gay marriage. Watch the news or read the paper, im sure youll find at least 1 thing that affects you more than some dude marrying another dude.

[Trychs]

dudes i totally agree with head hemp jack on this subject, fags are digusting... plain and simple.


Cheers Hydro I think you're disgusting too. :mad:

[bhallg2k]

Howdy DJ,

You said:4. "I read Torog's epiphany post--I'm floored. Torog, I may not agree with you on many issues, political or otherwise, but I'd still like to show you as an example to others. You have the capacity to CHANGE YOUR MIND, to re-evaluate what you believe is truth, and to look at things from a new perspective. Not a lot of people are capable of this. Good on you, sir."

I do believe,that gays should be treated with respect and common courtesy,just like everyone else and that there's a place for them in society,they shouldn't have to live in shame or sacrifice their dignity as human beings. I think this is an issue,to be decided between the adults,and not bring the children into the fray..let them learn their abc's and 123's..and just let them be children..their parents should decide when they want their children to learn about sex and moral issues.

Now then--for another revelation..my dealer,is a lesbian..with a bisexual girlfriend. I shocked my girlfriend yesterday,when the subject came up..I told her,that I was not going to critisize them,for their lifestyle and sexual orientation. I am trying to change my attitude towards gay folks and realize,that they simply want what everyone else wants,freedom,dignity,choice and equality. I'm not trying to be politically-correct..I just think that it's high time for me to be more compassionate and less hateful,and to work out some kind of compromise.

Have a good one...


HOLY FUCK!!!

[gypsyboyblue]

Being a gay person in Religious America, i have to agree the institute of marriage should be between a man and a woman, but, we were given an option, to marry without it being called marriage, and that was denied, which is a sign of selfishness. How many times have each one of you had intimate relations, solely, for the reason of conceiving? That is what sex was meant for. United WE Stand, but, remember, Divided We Fall. The main reason to ban gay marriage is to keep moral stability and family values. Being family and being married are two different things. Freedom of religion means Freedom from religion. Now, i'm going to jack off to some gay porn and smoke some bud.

[amsterdam]

i agree with you on the first part,the last is just gross!

[NextGen]

I'll just say nobodys here to please anyone what's disgusting is not marriage for the norm is the sex. From what i see gay porn is perfectly legal. I'd say that's one the straight guy lost. Gay Marriage is like a "who gives a shit issue" for me.

[amsterdam]

too bad it isnt gonna happen for a LONG time.long.

[Funken Monken]

I dont understand why Christians are so against gay marriage, after all there are many parts of the bible that talk about men taking each other.

S'weird - be careful placing your beliefs in that particular book, cuz bits of it can be interpreted in different, and mostly contradictory ways

[Imotep]

wasted boring brains bother to give a fuck about it.
woops i devolve.
haha.
we all love to hate some something we find weird. like i hate speeding psychopaths and kids walking dogs twice their size. i trained my brain to not waste time thinking about it so i had longer to go
dooooo-do-dooooooooo
haha homer simpson sings frank zappa.
what were we talking about?

[LOVElife]

ADAM AND EVE...NOT ADAM AND STEVE, ITS JUST WRONG

[amsterdam]

I dont understand why Christians are so against gay marriage, after all there are many parts of the bible that talk about men taking each other.

S'weird - be careful placing your beliefs in that particular book, cuz bits of it can be interpreted in different, and mostly contradictory ways


how could you not know why christians are against gay marriage.deep down everyone knows why.

[Funken Monken]

Perhaps I've become numb to it all then and jstu cannot see it. Perhaps I'm aware that these are modern times and in some locations, taking a dated standpoint, characterised by relegious beliefs is not in fitting with the popular zeitgeist.

I just dont understnad that those who swear that its 1 book that teaches them the way, never account for the masses of contradictions in there.

You'll have to define for me what everyone knows 'deep down' im afraid.

And apologies for using the word zeitgeist, i fucking hate it.

[amsterdam]

gay marriage lost on all 14 ballots last year,including oregon(so it isnt a location or north south thing).

deep down most people know it isnt a normal way of life,and it never will be.

while i dont agree with those people,i understand why they feel that way.

[canna boy420]

Perverted, disgusting, warped, let's get things straight here, people that want to make love to the same sex have something wrong with their heart, soul, and mind.

Does anyone ever STOP to THINK that your life was born from heterosexuality, YES HELLO everyone that was born, was born from a Mother and Father, unless you did something unnatural, like artificial insemination.

Lets face it we live in a warped and perverted world, with the views of these people trying to say this is OK, well I'm sorry it's wrong.

Man was intended to have a mate as a woman, and vice versa, anyone that does not think this way has something wrong with them, and these people need some serious help.

What's sad is even a small child knows the differences of what's right and wrong because this is something born into our nature, genes, etc.. and you can never take it away.

I feel sorry for kids being born from gay couples that are getting artificial insemination, can you image one day the child asking where is my father, or mother?, to one day find out the truth.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!
hey i just want to know who the fuck you think yopu are to tell the gays that what they do is wrong, now im not gay but i support gay marrage because every single person on this earth has there own mind and can make there own choices, then the people like you come along and try to tell them that they are wrong and that being gay is a sin, that another thing if god didnt want gay people then god whould not make gay people, but i would like to know what mkes you so important that you can tell people how to live there live please reply back

[Funken Monken]

All you Christians out there that have a problem with gay marriage.......................................... ...FORGIVE THEM!!!!!!

[amsterdam]

i hear ya,i am a christian who is for gay marriage,whatever,

it isnt just christians that are against it,i think that it is alot more than people think.

[gypsyboyblue]

My special thanx to Lulu, whom, i've noticed, not merely, posts by her opinion, but by the basis of fact. She, pretty much, did what other people, here in the states haven't done, and that's explain what this whole situation is really about. Again, thanx Lulu, for not making me feel like a second-class citizen in my own country. I guess it takes somebody to get out of the picture to see the whole thing. Remember, DIVIDED WE FALL!!!

[gypsyboyblue]

OH and btw, it was Adam and Lilith before it was Adam and Eve.

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
So Adam was fucking his own rib!
:eek:

How perverted is that?
:p

Now, I'll go back to gnawing on my mitochondrial DNA.
:rolleyes:

[amsterdam]

divided we fall?what the hell is that?

[Jake0steve]

I am not against gay marraige, if homosexual individuals want to marry then it isn't hurting anyone else, just let them.

[Trychs]

Jesus had a boyfriend he's in the gospel of Mark. Apparently theres also a lot more on it thats been edited out. Elijah was partial to lying on top of young boys too while they were in the prone position and in the beginning it wasn't Adam and Eve it was Adam and Jahweh and you can bet your goolies that the mans bits worked just fine and that God thought they were good.
I guesss these christians are destined to never really understand what Jesus meant by us in them and them in us but nah the church must have this gay stuff and Gods attitude to it right mustn't they thats why they can all walk on water and raise the dead just like every good christian should be able to do. :mad:
Bleedin plonkas the lot of them. :p

[amsterdam]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Mojavpa]

Once people see that gay marriage worked out in Massachusettes, and that civilization didnt fall apart there, then I'm sure other states will begin legalizing gay marriage soon. I want to be able to marry another guy one day, and seeing as how I'm a tax-paying citizen just like any person, I should be able to, with ALL the benefits straight couples receive.

[mellow mood]

wow some of you really think being gay is a disease?? jeez theres gays everywhere: humans, rats, cats, everything. you dont choose to be gay. wtf are u all talkin about? if u were born gay u wouldnt say such things. respect everyone. im not gay and i dont like very much gays but if they wanna marry who fuckin cares???? wtf is with you guys sometimes your so extrmist with your goddamn christiannism. who cares abo ut adam and eve. this is only a metaphore anyway. who cares about religions? its a human right to do what u want to do.

[Fengzi]

I love my spouse and I can not express how happy I am that we were able to be married. It wasn't always that case. Many had opposed my type of marraige saying that it was unnatural and against god's plan. We would have been ridiculed, and in places such as Texass, we probably woud have been tied up and dragged behind some rednecks pick-up. No, I'm not gay. I'm white and my wife is Asian. Even as late as 1967 16 states still had laws against mixing races.

I'm not gay but I don't see any reason that they shouldn't be allowed to get married. The way I see it their position is not that different from the way mine would have been less than 40 years ago.

Conservatives like to point to the sanctity of the institution of marraige and of traditional family values. If family values are the issue there are a lot of other people who shouldn't be allowed to get married. Convicted felons can get married, even before they get out of prison, KKK members can get married, and the list goes on. So, according to taditional family values its ok to have a couple of white supremacists get married, and raise more little hateful white supremecists but it's not ok for a couple of homosexuals who are generally law abiding and accepting of others to get married. To tell you the truth, I'd much rather have a gay couple move in across the street from me than a career criminal or neo-nazi family.


As far as some people's, such as Toreg, fear that homosexuals are luring our children away, it is well known that nearly all pedophiles are heterosexuals. Yep, that's right, after they get through with the kids they go home to their wives and then go to preach to their flock on Sunday.

I don't have any gay friends. I have known a few gays, though, and by and large they were pretty decent people. I've never met a gay asshole (ha, ha, ha..I didn't mean it that way). I've met a lot of straight assholes (again, ha, ha, ha..I didn't mean it that way), however. The way I see it , it doesn't hurt me if gays get married so why the hell not.

[Mojavpa]

wow some of you really think being gay is a disease?? jeez theres gays everywhere: humans, rats, cats, everything. you dont choose to be gay. wtf are u all talkin about? if u were born gay u wouldnt say such things. respect everyone. im not gay and i dont like very much gays but if they wanna marry who fuckin cares???? wtf is with you guys sometimes your so extrmist with your goddamn christiannism. who cares abo ut adam and eve. this is only a metaphore anyway. who cares about religions? its a human right to do what u want to do.

Dont mean to pry, but why dont you like gay people?

[drivebyphilosopher]

The only legal part of a marriage is a civil union, so why is it that when religion steps in and calls it marriage that it suddenly affords you more rights than simply getting a civil union? That's unconstitutional. Violation of the 14th amendment and separation of church and state, anyone?

With all this in mind, the only thing going on with this Gay Marriage debate is a moral debate. Morals, however, all flow from the primal one, "It is wrong to hurt someone unfairly." Because of this, love in itself cannot be immoral, so the only debate REALLY going on is the one about people being disgusted by gays, which has nothing to do with anything...

Heres a good puff of logic for you all when it comes to arguements and which ammendment the gay marriage debate would fall under as far as protection goes for them.

Most people think that gay marriage will fall under the 9th ammendment, the unenumerated rights clause, or the first ammendment and separation of church and state. However, I figured that it would fall under the 14th ammendment, which guarentees equal protection for the sexes and equal treatment under the law.

The arguement often goes, "They have as much freedom as we do to marry someone of the opposite sex, so it doesnt violate the equal protection. They have equal rights and should stop asking for special rights".

This arguement has a flaw though. Whoever came up with that is looking at society as a whole, but when you get down to it, the constitution limits powers of the federal government and the bill of rights applies to people on an individual level. When you look at someone on such a level, the non-equal treatment under the law is instantly visable.

Pick any one man. That man has the right to marry a woman, but not a man. Pick any one woman, that woman has the right to marry a man, but not a woman. It is nowhere more obvious than on the individual level that sex discrimination IS taking place, and there is a preferential treatment per person, which is NOT allowed under the 14th ammendment.

[amsterdam]

gay people do have the right to marry,they just have to marry a woman.i know that isnt what they dream of ,but saying they dont have the right to marry is false.

[mellow mood]

Mojavpa i dont really like gays because of their "feminine" attitude. i mean they can act really strange and i hate it. i prefer a guy with a masculine attitude. some gays are ok, but theres some i just cant stand with...

[amsterdam]

we have our token flaming fag around the office,very girly,calls everyone breeder,funny guy.

i think i prefer they are flamers than the ones who act like a regular guy,but then go home and get on their knees.(not that there is anything wrong with that.) :eek:

[mellow mood]

lol whatever haha

[amsterdam]

just an opinion.

[RidingHigh]

i personally dont believe in the whole Same Sex thing because im a good little christian=) but what u do behind ur doors is ur bussiness and as long as its not hurting anyone else its just between you 2 and god. I have abunch of Gay/bi friends i have no problem with them, i dont treat them different they kno how i feel about it. As long as my Gay Guy friends dont hit on me or try anything im happy being a good friend and listen to their problems.I think Torog has alot of good Points(which he does alot) and so does Lulu, just because u prefer Same Sex doesent mean im not gona light up a Joint and party with the person, They are Human Beings also That God Made. Being a Christian i will always be there to help another fellow human being, may they be gay/short/black/green/old/young/jewish/islamic. I feel its My christian Duty to help others, and spread the lords good word.

Much love to all
Iudicium

[easyg]

christ on a bike....some of you folks are nasty little bigots...

[GHoSToKeR]

I'm not gay so it's none of my business! :) If I were to ever become gay it would then be my business.. I wouldn't want the government or any religion to decide what I can or can not do.. Peace and Love for everyone :):):)

[ezjim]

since when is it any bodys buisness what consenting adults do in there own home or how they express thier fellings for one another

[mellow mood]

i dont get the point that if your a christian u dislike homesexual.....

if u believe god created us why would he create gays? thats stupid...

[PartypokerPlayer]

to put it quite bluntly its WRONG in my opinion to look down on one for his or her sexual perferece......st8 guys and gals just think of what it be like if u were gay and your state didnt allow same sex marriage .....i doubt you would agree with your state....i have a gay uncle....funnyest mother fucker ive ever known and smokes more pot than anyone ive known...lol but hes a cool ass guy gay or not....maybe i feel its wrong to look down on the gays b.c i have family that is...who knows ...but thats how i truthfully feel....me myself..i love pussy to much to be gay...lol a few words from PPP
PEACE

[Trychs]

i dont get the point that if your a christian u dislike homesexual.....

if u believe god created us why would he create gays? thats stupid...

People seem to love limiting God to being like them its so weird. Humans have been known to do a few things that he thinks stupid too I'll bet.:p

[jahjahjahjah]

I have no problem with homosexuals.

[spaz420]

fuckin homophobics...grow a brain. You's think your betta than them coz their different. Theres a thing called discrimination, but no...America fought a war against Nazis but struggled to overcome the same things their fighting against. American society has still alot to overcome and its people like you who contribute to that.


Well Said. Thank you for pointing out the igornance of the society we live in. :thumbsup:

[lemonboy]

Breaking news: gays have already married. Yes, it's true. It's already happening every day all over the world including places like Canada, the UK, and South Africa. It's also already happening right here in the US. With states like Massachusetts that issue one-day marriage officiator licenses who knows how many have even occurred outside of the courthouse.

The fight is over I'm afraid and you lost. Gay marriage is here and it's not going anywhere. So, finish whining and remember to return your "opinions" to whatever dark, moist orifice they crawled out of.

Edit: LOL. This thread is old. Oh well.

[spaz420]

Howdy juggalo420,

I'm against gay marriage and I believe that there needs to be a Constitutional ban,in order to protect us from activist,liberal judges. Being a conservative Christian and a strong believer in traditional family values,is another degree of opposition that I have against gay marriage. The most I would accede to-is a civil union.

Gays don't reproduce,they recruit..which is why America's children,are under assault from them and are being exploited sexually in our schools,in order to promote the homosexual agenda,part of which,I believe,is to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child,because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is. There are schools,where children of kindergarden age,have been subjected to sessions of sexual education,which consisted of teaching the children how to masturbate and explore the world of oral sex,older children have also been 'taught',the fine art of fisting.

I believe that the natural progression of a gay agenda,to secure marriage rights,will also lead to other sexual perverts demanding 'rights' as well..such as pedophiles,the incestuous and bestialists. They all have several things in common,they 'recruit',entice and seduce-their partners and they all want to ban Christianity and any other religion,that bans their favorite form of perversion. In several countries around the world,like Saudi Arabia,where I worked once,homosexuality is a crime punishable by death..why is it that homosexuals aren't condemning Islam ?

Homosexuals,constitute a fraction of the populace,yet they demand that all of society and religious faith-change to suit their twisted desires. Homosexuals are driven by desire and impulse..which is why few are faithful,and most are promiscuous to a deadly fault..with deadly consequences for everyone..in the form of STD's and Aids.


Where do you get your information?

[spaz420]

[

So, finish whining and remember to return your "opinions" to whatever dark, moist orifice they crawled out of.

Edit: LOL. This thread is old. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

Well said. :dance:

[vincevaper]

It's inevitable and just. Unless the 700 Club watching closet theocratic fundamentalist types rise to become more than the late night talk show punch-line they are now, you can count on a continued evolution in the US. It will be natural and not by design.

[jahjahjahjah]

Gays should have rights to and they dont, i believe that is un american.

[Psycho4Bud]

"They just passed a law in San Francisco that smoking is not allowed in the street. It offends people. But it's okay if you want to butt-slam your buddy. You can smoke the baloney pony but not a Winston."-Andrew Dice Clay

[B.Basher]

"They just passed a law in San Francisco that smoking is not allowed in the street. It offends people. But it's okay if you want to butt-slam your buddy. You can smoke the baloney pony but not a Winston."-Andrew Dice Clay

Lol, not that people have anal sex in the street or anything. Who the fuck is Andrew Dice Clay anyway?

[Psycho4Bud]

You don't know Dice Clay??? Here's a lil' bit of his work:

Selected Nursery Rhymes
of A.D. Clay

Hickory Dickory Dock.
My balls fell out of my jock.
I laid them to rest
On some hooker's chest
And paddled her face with my cock.

Roll, roll, roll your cunt
Gently down my prick.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Then you'll suck my dick.

Hey diddle diddle,
The cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon.
That's more than my lazy wife does,
The fat, fuckin' smelly baboon

Little Miss Muffet
Sat on a tuffet
A lightbulb was stuck up her ass.
It woke up the spider
Who lived deep inside her.
He said "Hey, free electric and gas."

Jack and Jill went up the hill
And Jack would try to hump her.
Jill said No / and Jack said So
I'll ram it in your dumper.

Twinkle twinkle little star,
Will she blow me in the car.
I bought her dinner, she had fun.
My balls are boiling, I'd like to come.

Old Mother Hubbard
Went to the cupboard
To get her old dog a snack.
The cupboard was bare,
She didn't despair.
She let Rover munch on her crack

Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater.
Whacked off in the movie theater.
Sprayed his load across the screen
And ruined Titanic's final scene

Jack and Betty, up in a tree
F-U-C-K-I-N-G
First comes Betty, then comes Jack
Then comes the goo from Betty's crack.

Little Boy Blue -
He needed the money.

Georgie Porgie, pudding and pie
Jerked off in his girlfriend's eye
When her eye was dry and shut
Georgie fucked that one-eyed slut

Old King Cole was a merry old soul
A merry old soul was he
He chewed off his tit
And ate his own shit
And washed it down with some tea.

Hickory Dickory Dock
Some chick was sucking my cock
The clock struck two
I dropped my goo
I dumped the bitch on the next block.

Jack and Jill went up the hill
Both with a buck and a quarter
Jill came down with two-fifty
That fuckin' whore.

Mary, Mary, quite contrary,
Trim that pussy it's too damn hairy

Little Miss Muffet sat on a tuffet
Eating her curds and whey.
Along came a spider,
Who sat down beside her
And said, "Hey, what's in the bowl, bitch?"

Old Mother Hubbard
Went to the cupboard
To get her poor dog a bone
When she bent over,
Her Rover took over
And she got a bone of her own.

Jack Sprat could eat no fat
His wife could eat no lean
So Jack ignored those flabby tits
And licked her asshole clean

Rock-a-bye baby, on the tree top
Your mother's a whore,
And I ain't your pop.

Little Bo Peep fucked her sheep
Blew a horse, licked his feet
She ate his ass so very nice
Tongued his balls not once but twice

Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Had a wife, loved to beat her
Smacked her twice across the head
Fucked her ass and went to bed

Little jack Horner sat in a corner
Eating a pizza pie.
He shit pepperoni,
Then blew his friend Tony,
And wiped his mouth on his tie

Twinkle, twinkle little star
How I wonder what you are
Shine upon the parking lot
As I eat my girl friends twat.

Three blind mice, see how they run
Where the fuck are they going?

Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Moe
Suck my dick and swallow slow.

Jack be nimble,
Jack be quick
Jack burnt off his fuckin' dick.

There was an old lady
Who lived in a shoe
She had so many kids
Her uterus fell out

Patty cake, patty cake,
Baker's man
If your chick's on her period
Fuck her in the can

Mary had a little lamb,
She kept in her backyard.
When she took her panties off
His wooly dick got hard.

Doe, a deer, a female deer.
Ray, the guy that fucked her ass.

Rub a Dub Dub
Three men in a tub.
Faggots have threesomes, too-
So fuckin' what.

Roses are red,
Violets are blue.
I fucked your mother's ass
And she had you.

[B.Basher]

Lol, not exactly a keen political mind then. Should've expected as much. ;)

[vincevaper]

You can smoke the baloney pony but not a Winston.

I suppose second hand orgasms do occur. I doubt this has ever been proven to be life threatening, but I'll send Andrew Clay some gay porn just to find out.

[daima]

my honest opinion and freedom of speech,,forget the eve and eve joke,,,fucking fags and queers move to lepord island,and take your stupid dykes with you,,there,,i feel better,,,,
Perhaps you should change your name to fuckheadjack.
Gays arent the problem. haters are. ignorant people are.
What makes me think a rainbow is beautiful is all of the DIFFERNT colors it has. We should look at one another in the same light. What a drag it would be if everyone was like"us" how boring. Dont be afraid of that which is different from you, or you dont understand. Educate yourself and you will see that the boogeyman just isnt that scarey. Spread love and tolerance. Thats what will make this world a great world.
My sister is gay and she is far from stupid. When you graduate a school like U.C. Berkeley at the top of your class, write a book or two and earn your PhD., get back to me about your insinuation that "dykes" are stupid.
I also find it very disturbing that the way you make yourself feel good is by putting others down. Thats not something to be proud of. I guess that inbreeding has taken its toll on your thought process.:D

dai*ma
Conservative christian rightwing republican straight white american males
gay bashin black fearin whore fightin tree killin regional leaders of sales
frat housing keg tappin shirt tuckin back slappin haters of hippies like me
peace lovin love makin pro choice and gay weddin widespread diggin hippies like me:dance:

[Great Spirit]

Perverted, disgusting, warped, let's get things straight here, people that want to make love to the same sex have something wrong with their heart, soul, and mind.

Does anyone ever STOP to THINK that your life was born from heterosexuality, YES HELLO everyone that was born, was born from a Mother and Father, unless you did something unnatural, like artificial insemination.

Lets face it we live in a warped and perverted world, with the views of these people trying to say this is OK, well I'm sorry it's wrong.

Man was intended to have a mate as a woman, and vice versa, anyone that does not think this way has something wrong with them, and these people need some serious help.

What's sad is even a small child knows the differences of what's right and wrong because this is something born into our nature, genes, etc.. and you can never take it away.

I feel sorry for kids being born from gay couples that are getting artificial insemination, can you image one day the child asking where is my father, or mother?, to one day find out the truth.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!Man fuck that shit! That is just pure hatred right there. You're basing that on the Bible and religion...not on life. What harm are they causing you? So you dont like gay people..so what?! Do you think they really care. I am not gay but I do support their right to marry as any other couple. The STATE defines marriage as a union of man and women, but LOVE states marriage. If 2 guys love each other, its a beautiful thing and more power to them. In the Constitution, all Americans have the right to LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!!

Bush trying to ban homosexual marriage is a fascist act because he is a fascist pig!! It was the same as Hitler creating the Nuremburg race laws which made Jews less then human. Remember, Hitler equated homosexuals with Jews and exterminated them.

Be careful of your leader.....

[Psycho4Bud]

explore same-sex relationships and the intricacies of oral sex..

Torog my friend, I will do everything in my power to do just that!!!:thumbsup:

Have a good one....I will!:thumbsup:

[DaBudhaStank]

hemheadjack

whether you SAY you dont want the sympathy and shit, i know you do. no one goes through that ideal and is totally fine afterward. as far as i know, you were raped by THREE gay guys, not millions. if you were, then i'd say "ok, every gay person is twisted" but you werent. it was only three. if you can generalize like that....then i can say that since you said those things, everyone with the name jack is hateful, horrible individual in need of counsiling (sp?)

[firstTimeGrow]

i was too lazy to read everyones points, but seriously, u people are ridiculous

everyone in these forums is furious because we love marijuana and the fucking government for no reason wants to keep us from it.

same thing with two people who are in love and want to marry, why shouldn't they be allowed to? i'm not gay, but hell im not gonna stop them if that makes them happy

why is everyone always so caught up thinking their right in everything they do, at least i acknowledge that everyone should have hte right to choose who they want to be

imagine if the country was run by gay people and they said you couldn't marry anyone who wasn't the same sex as you...

seriously, grow up

[Psycho4Bud]

i was too lazy to read everyones points, but seriously, u people are ridiculous

everyone in these forums is furious because we love marijuana and the fucking government for no reason wants to keep us from it.

same thing with two people who are in love and want to marry, why shouldn't they be allowed to? i'm not gay, but hell im not gonna stop them if that makes them happy

why is everyone always so caught up thinking their right in everything they do, at least i acknowledge that everyone should have hte right to choose who they want to be

imagine if the country was run by gay people and they said you couldn't marry anyone who wasn't the same sex as you...

seriously, grow up

Everyone should have the right to live their lives how they want as long as it doesn't create harm on others. I have no problem with gay marriage but the church does in general. The state/fed on the other hand has to deal with the results of this which is the health care costs for partners and also social security benifits. Imagine the abuse in the terms of tax dollars this could lead to.

Myself I think that if the church begins to allow gay marriage THEN the Fed/State should also begin to acknowledge it. Remember, the concept of marriage and "monogamy" began with the church, Fed/State benifits are out of a sort of respect.:twocents:

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[highgloss]

I thought we were all united by this site!
Enough with the gay bashing.
Queers smoke,
Red necks choke.