Carter Returns Nobel Peace Prize

[Breukelen advocaat]

If only the following were true...


CARTER RETURNS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

By Michael Kelly
WASHINGTON POST WRITERS GROUP

CARTER RETURNS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE
â??Too, Too Ridiculous,â?? Ex-Prez Says


PLAINS, Ga., March 17 â?? In a move that stunned veteran narcissistic personality disorder observers, a smiling Jimmy Carter today announced that he had decided to return the coveted Peace Prize awarded to him last year by the Nobel Committee.

â??I may be the most vainglorious, self-regarding, preachifying old coot since Henry Ward Beecher, but even I know when a joke has gone too far,â?� said Carter. â??Letâ??s consider my contributions to world peace. In 1991, as the United States was on the very verge of war, I secretly lobbied the presidents of the United Nations Security Council nations, and also the heads of the Arab nations, to try to persuade them to scuttle my own countryâ??s efforts to build a coalition and defeat Iraq. Imagine if I had succeeded â?? why, we now know Iraq was within months of building its first nuclear weapon when the war began!

â??Then, I butted into Clintonâ??s disaster in Somalia, to put together the surrender to that charmer Mohamed Farah Aideed after his boys killed 18 of our soldiers and dragged their beaten bodies through the streets. And we now know that the spectacle of the Great Satan knuckling under to a guy whose entire army consisted of 10 second-hand Jeeps directly encouraged Osama bin Laden to believe that America was ripe for capitulation on a much greater scale â?? if you killed enough Americans.

â??And the clincher â?? Korea. Yep, Iâ??m the boy who free-lanced the 1994 agreement with the head-case of that horror show to stop his nuclear bomb program, in exchange for a whole bunch of aid from us. When reporters asked me then if it was really reasonable to expect Kim Il Sung to keep his word, given that he never had before, I said: â??This is something thatâ??s not for me to judge.â?? Well, of course, neither that nut-job nor his nut-job son honored the deal for one second. So, now, eight years later, another American president has inherited another fine mess I got us in.â?�
â??Please, take it back, and stop me before I negotiate again.â?�

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We take another look at the worst Democratic President of the 20th Century:
No Prize For Jimmy (http://www.therazor.org/oldroot/Fall02/JimmysPrize.htm)

[medicinal]

I guess that puts him right up there with the worst president of all times (Both parties) G.W.Bush, Well maybe not. After all he was trying for peace.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I guess that puts him right up there with the worst president of all times (Both parties) G.W.Bush, Well maybe not. After all he was trying for peace.
The point is that he causes problems, big time. The man's administration was a disgrace. I remember how he handled the Iranian Hostage crisis - if he hadn't screwed that up so badly, he likely would have been reelected, Ronald Reagan wouldn't have gotten in, and you know the rest.

The hostage crisis wasn't his only blunder - but it was the final nail in the coffin for his career as president. He should have been a nuclear physicist. :D

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[medicinal]

The hostage crisis wasn't his only blunder - but it was the final nail in the coffin for his career as president. He should have been a nuclear physicist.

Maybe he found his calling to begin with, a Babtist minister. He might not have been our most savvy President, I'll give you that, but he was and is the most compassionate I've seen since Roosevelt. And isn't that what a peace prize is all about, compassion?

[birdgirl73]

Your disdain is always on display, isn't it, BA? I've not yet seen you open your mind to much of anything, and you certainly cannot ever be less-than-obnoxious about someone who's done far more for humanity than you can perceive. You're not fit to lick Jimmy Carter's boots.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Your disdain is always on display, isn't it, BA? I've not yet seen you open your mind to much of anything, and you certainly cannot ever be less-than-obnoxious about someone who's done far more for humanity than you can perceive. You're not fit to lick Jimmy Carter's boots.
I do not think that it is befitting for a moderator to constantly make personal attacks on board members who have different political opinions.

[birdgirl73]

I'm sure it's not--and I saw your earlier comment, too, before you edited--but all is fair in love and politics. I edited my thread, too. It originally contained a reference to something other than Carter's boots. Check it with our senior political mod, P4B, if you like so he can confirm the rules here for you. (He agrees with you about Carter, by the way!)

You've been here longer than I have and know the rules here by now. You're just mad at me. I will definitely get ugly in defense of Mr. Carter. You have no idea how much disease he's cured or how much good he's done. You just focus on the bad. As always.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I'm sure it's not--and I saw your earlier comment, too, before you edited--but all is fair in love and politics. I edited my thread, too. It originally contained a reference to something other than Carter's boots. Check it with our senior political mod, P4B, if you like so he can confirm the rules here for you. (He agrees with you about Carter, by the way!)

You've been here longer than I have and know the rules here by now. You're just mad at me. I will definitely get ugly in defense of Mr. Carter. You have no idea how much disease he's cured or how much good he's done. You just focus on the bad. As always.

You are making an accusation that you have no proof of - I made no objectionable reference, and IF (I'm not saying I did) I made a mistake while typing I edited it out before posting it. I have placed a question about this in the other forum. My feelings about Jimmy Carter, etc., have nothing to do with you - but you are taking it personally. Your insults will not sway my right to free speech, under the guidelines of this board.

[birdgirl73]

You are making an accusation that you have no proof of - I made no objectionable reference, and IF (I'm not saying I did) I made a mistake while typing I edited it out before posting it. I have placed a question about this in the other forum. My feelings about Jimmy Carter, etc., have nothing to do with you - but you are taking it personally. Your insults will not sway my right to free speech, under the guidelines of this board.
I still find myself wanting to know why you can insult women, parents, single parents, children, Jimmy Carter, families, poor people, Islamic people, various others, and intelligence in general and then get defensive when someone gives you a taste of your own medicine. That's quite an irony.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I still find myself wanting to know why you can insult women, parents, single parents, children, Jimmy Carter, families, poor people, Islamic people, various others, and intelligence in general and then get defensive when someone gives you a taste of your own medicine. That's quite an irony.


I thought you wanted to bury the hatchet.

Is that an "insult" to Native Americans, as well? I wouldn't want to exclude any group from the list.

[birdgirl73]

I thought you wanted to bury the hatchet.

Is that an "insult" to Native Americans?
That one made me laugh out loud!!!

OK, it's really buried now. I'm too tickled for it not to be! Thank you for the comic relief!

[medicinal]

And back to the subject. If ever a president deserved a peace prize it was and is Jimmy Carter. As bird girl said, he has done more to help humanity than any president I've known in my 66 years on this planet. He's in his 80s and still swings a hammer at "Habitants for humanity". He might have been in over his head as a president, but that was mainly due to the nature of the man, a peaceful caring man that couldn't comprehend the evil inherent in the world of politics. If you want to talk about failed presidencys, lets talk Nixon and G.W.Bush, the absolute two worst since I've been alive. I can only hope that Dubya gets whats coming to him as Nixon did, a large dose of disgrace!

[Breukelen advocaat]

[COLOR="Green"]And back to the subject. If ever a president deserved a peace prize it was and is Jimmy Carter. As bird girl said, he has done more to help humanity than any president I've known in my 66 years on this planet. He's in his 80s and still swings a hammer at "Habitants for humanity". COLOR]
Speaking of Habitat for Humanity (sounds like a zoo for people), I get letters from Jimmuh Cahtuh, as he calls himself, asking me to contribute time and/or money. I do not own any real property, my address has a number in apartment building in the inner city, and I wound never in a trillion years be considered eligible for their housing.


Hereâ??s a good one, from Casino Magazine's website, and not a joke like the first post in this thread. Perfect location!


Gambling News

Habitat For Humanity Proposes Affordable Housing Near Casino
Mar 12, 2007

Habitat for Humanity is proposing to build a five (m) million dollar affordable housing development in Bethlehem. It would be near a new casino and the new Bethlehem Commerce Center, allowing residents to walk to work as people in the area did when the Bethlehem Steel blast furnaces were running.

Habitat is proposing a 17-acre neighborhood on the slopes of South Mountain, with 27 homes near the bottom of the hill and a 12-acre park above them. Mayor John Callahan says the project would provide people who earn a working wage the ability to obtain homeownership.

In contrast with high-end housing planned for the area, Christopher Bennick, the executive director of Habitat's Lehigh Valley chapter, says his group's proposal features homes that would normally sell for 225-thousand dollars, but would be affordable for a mother of three who makes 11 dollars an hour.

Prices are held down through use of volunteer labor and support from sponsors. Habitat also requires the future homeowner to contribute so-called "sweat equity hours" to the house, and Habitat holds the mortgage so the homeowner receives a zero percent interest rate.

Habitat For Humanity Proposes Affordable Housing Near Casino (http://casinomagazine.com/managearticle.asp?c=280&A=20919)

[birdgirl73]

I don't see what's curious or funny about that, although I do see that you're trying to make a tie between a "gamble" and a Carter project into a sarcastic joke.

I don't know Bethlehem very well and didn't even know it had casino gambling, but it makes sense that a housing development for lower income people might be put up near a casino. In all the cities other than top-end parts of Vegas and Atlantic City, where mega-billlion real estate surrounds the fancy casino areas, many of the neighborhoods surrounding casinos are rather urban and bleak. It seems like it'd fit to put up decent, modest housing in a place near where folks who're trying to work their way out of poverty might live or work now (or work in the future at, perhaps, the casino). And it'd be a boon to the area by improving the surrounding neighborhood through a single-family-zoned development instead of letting pawn shops and soon-to-be empty, vandalized storefronts creep in.

[Breukelen advocaat]

It's just ironic - the Casinos are all owned by Indian tribes, the single mothers of three getting quarter of a million dollar houses from a self-described "Christian" organization, Carter's peanut farm is inherited from his grandparents who were among the largest slaveholding families in Georgia, etc. I may be mistaken, but it looks to me a bit like there's some guilt trips happening.

[bobthenuker]

anyone else think that carter looks like mermaid man.

[Breukelen advocaat]

anyone else think that carter looks like mermaid man.

If there was ever an actor born to play Carter, it would have been the late Don "Deputy Barney Fife" Knotts. After leaving a successful TV role with the Andy Griffith Show in the 1960's, Knotts went on to star in such movies as The Incredible Mr. Limpet (about a man who turns into a fish), and The Ghost and Mr. Chicken.

[birdgirl73]

It's just ironic - the Casinos are all owned by Indian tribes. . . .
Guess you've never heard of Steve Wynn. Or Kirk Kekorian. Or Donald Trump. The most interesting thing about the Indian casinos is that they're increasingly owned by Asian (mostly Malaysian) owners/investors and then they pay the tribes a fee. I just read about that last week in the NYTimes and on Bloomberg. Go ahead and put the guilt spin on billionaires, both American and Malaysian.


The single mothers of three getting quarter of a million dollar houses from a self-described "Christian" organization.
From that article you posted, the figure was a quarter million, not three-quarters. I did a quick check on Bethlehem real estate prices, and in that city that's a modest price. Heck, in your city, that's peanuts. And what does Christianity even have to do with that? Christian charities and organizations provide all sorts of services.


Carter's peanut farm is inherited from his grandparents who were among the largest slaveholding families in Georgia, etc. I may be mistaken, but it looks to me a bit like there's some guilt trips happening.
Why would you assume guilt trips? Why not just a concern for humanity in general borne of his caring about people who are less fortunate, having grown up during the Depression and seen the level of poverty he did in the Deep South? If you'd ever bothered to do anything other than criticize him, you could easily find out he actually cares. You had ancestors who were no doubt slave owners, especially if some of them were among the first to land on Plymouth. I did, too. So does a quarter of America. Your comments, as is so frequently the case, don't make sense.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Guess you've never heard of Steve Wynn. Or Kirk Kekorian. Or Donald Trump. The most interesting thing about the Indian casinos is that they're increasingly owned by Asian (mostly Malaysian) owners/investors and then they pay the tribes a fee. I just read about that last week in the NYTimes and on Bloomberg. Go ahead and put the guilt spin on billionaires, both American and Malaysian.

The key is the "fee". Casinos also help create poverty.


From that article you posted, the figure was a quarter million, not three-quarters. I did a quick check on Bethlehem real estate prices, and in that city that's a modest price. Heck, in your city, that's peanuts. And what does Christianity even have to do with that? Christian charities and organizations provide all sorts of services.
Carter is a "Born Again" type - one of the first of the modern politicians to bring that up. That alone was enough to make him look bad.



Why would you assume guilt trips? Why not just a concern for humanity in general borne of his caring about people who are less fortunate, having grown up during the Depression
Carter was in the upper class in the deep south, where Blacks had to use separate bathrooms, eat in separate restaurand, and suffer other indignities -many of which were much worse. His money has the blood of those people on it.

and seen the level of poverty he did in the Deep South?
Did he actually experience poverty for himself?
If you'd ever bothered to do anything other than criticize him,
I like to laugh at him, actually, to keep it in perspective.
you could easily find out he actually cares. You had ancestors who were no doubt slave owners, especially if some of them were among the first to land on Plymouth.
None of The Mayflower passengers owned Slaves. In fact, John Howland, one of my ancestors that came on the Mayflower, was an indentured servant to the man who was to be the Governor. I have in my possession numerous census records from the 18th and 19th century, and none of my ancestors listed on them owned slaves. There is a column for that, and the spaces were all blank. Many of my New England ancestors in Martha's Vineyard were Quakers, who were among the first to oppose slavery. Even if they hadn't opposed slavery, I didn't inherit any property, but Jimmy Carter is still a rich man living off his family's legacy of profit from the enslavement of human beings.
I did, too. So does a quarter of America. Your comments, as is so frequently the case, don't make sense.

Make sense now? If not, sorry.

[Dave Byrd]

Casinos certainly do create poverty. That's for sure. We went to Oklahoma a couple of weekends ago to meet some friends and met up with them at a Choctaw-owned casino across the border so they could lead the rest of the way to the restaurant. It was sad to see all the folks who could least afford it standing there, pouring money down the drain of a slot machine.

From what I've read in Carter's books, money was very tight during the Depression for that family just like it was for everyone else. They were certainly less poor than the rock-bottom door-to-door meal beggars, but they were not rich. His father was not a wealthy farmer by any means. Wealthy in comparison to the poorest of Plains, yes. You ought to come down here sometime, BA, and let us take you to Louisiana where Bird's father and two previous generations of ancestors are from and look around at the vestiges of the same sort of history Carter came from. Might be interesting for you. It'd give you insight into why she's such a Carter fan, too, and a Clinton one. People love to say that line about Clinton having been our first black president. The truth was the first one was Jimmy Carter.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Casinos certainly do create poverty. That's for sure. We went to Oklahoma a couple of weekends ago to meet some friends and met up with them at a Choctaw-owned casino across the border so they could lead the rest of the way to the restaurant. It was sad to see all the folks who could least afford it standing there, pouring money down the drain of a slot machine.

I've never visited Vegas, and have not been to Atlantic City in 20 years, but many senior citizens take free buses from New York to Atlantic City, presumably to invest their social security and pension checks in the casinos. I was at a casino in CT (or possibly PA) about 5 years ago.

From what I've read in Carter's books, money was very tight during the Depression for that family just like it was for everyone else. They were certainly less poor than the rock-bottom door-to-door meal beggars, but they were not rich. His father was not a wealthy farmer by any means. Wealthy in comparison to the poorest of Plains, yes. You ought to come down here sometime, BA, and let us take you to Louisiana where Bird's father and two previous generations of ancestors are from and look around at the vestiges of the same sort of history Carter came from. Might be interesting for you. It'd give you insight into why she's such a Carter fan, too, and a Clinton one. People love to say that line about Clinton having been our first black president. The truth was the first one was Jimmy Carter.

Thanks, Dave, I'd love to do it some time. That's a vacation I'll talk to my better half about. We need one. We went to Savannah, Georgia about two years ago and man, it was hot. Otherwise, we had a nice time. If it wasn't so hot down there, I'd consider moving to GA for retirement.

[Dave Byrd]

It's so hot down here, we're considering Seattle in three more years when she finishes school. Except we're in those in-between years where now, just as we've gotten the son pretty well grown, we're faced with aging parents who're going to need help. So it may be necessary to stay nearby. Did Bird once tell me you were the one who was thinking of retiring to Vermont? That sounds like a great place. She's cool natured and can take the heat. I hate it. I can remember what it feels like in Savannah combined with that humidity. Makes me sweat justthinking about it.

[Psycho4Bud]

And back to the subject. If ever a president deserved a peace prize it was and is Jimmy Carter. As bird girl said, he has done more to help humanity than any president I've known in my 66 years on this planet. He's in his 80s and still swings a hammer at "Habitants for humanity". He might have been in over his head as a president, but that was mainly due to the nature of the man, a peaceful caring man that couldn't comprehend the evil inherent in the world of politics. If you want to talk about failed presidencys, lets talk Nixon and G.W.Bush, the absolute two worst since I've been alive. I can only hope that Dubya gets whats coming to him as Nixon did, a large dose of disgrace!

Are we talking about Mr. Peanut Jimmy Carter?

The laughing stock of Iran..........the person that arranged the deal to give N. Korea nuclear technology. Interest rates rose to 20% during his administration.

WE WILL FEED THE WORLD! Farmers, invest in new machinery, etc.......then when your ass deep in debt we'll cancell wheat sales causing you to lose your farms. :thumbsup:

What a great guy........he needed habitat for humanity to house some of the farmers he fucked over. There was good reason why he was a one term wonder.

Have a good one!:s4:

[andruejaysin]

I do not think that it is befitting for a moderator to constantly make personal attacks on board members who have different political opinions.Nosensense. Personal attacks are the lifeblood of politics, why should it be different here?

[Psycho4Bud]

Nosensense. Personal attacks are the lifeblood of politics, why should it be different here?

Things got a bit out of hand in here so we are under advisement to chill it out for a bit..........just so ya know.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[andruejaysin]

Things got a bit out of hand in here so we are under advisement to chill it out for a bit..........just so ya know.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

I've been on my best behavior, surely you realize that.:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

I've been on my best behavior, surely you realize that.:jointsmile:

You've been way mellow........maybe even to mellow........you don't have a WMD set-up in your basement by chance??

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[andruejaysin]

You've been way mellow........maybe even to mellow........you don't have a WMD set-up in your basement by chance??

Have a good one!:jointsmile:Shut that down when they started making me sign for the pills.:(